“With such a huge statue, you’re showing that your religion is all mighty and powerful,” Datuk Mohd Noor Abdullah said — and in the supremacist vision that he has, since he “insisted Islam is above other faiths,” that is unacceptable. He did not receive the memo that Muslims in the West have received, that “interfaith dialogue” is the order of the day, full of smiles and assurances of tolerance — until such displays are no longer necessary, and a vision of Islam much like that of Datuk Mohd Noor Abdullah takes its place. “‘Huge’ Hindu, Buddhist Statues Against Islam, Ex-Judge Says,” from the Malaysian Digest, April 17:
KUALA LUMPUR: The “huge” statues at a Hindu temple in Batu Caves and Buddhist temple in Penang are an affront to Islam as the religion forbids idolatry, a retired Court of Appeals judge said.
Datuk Mohd Noor Abdullah stressed that such sculptures of non-Muslim deities should not be built in the open, but should be placed within an enclosed building instead.
“With such a huge statue, you’re showing that your religion is all mighty and powerful,” Mohd Noor told The Malay Mail Online and Bernama in an joint interview yesterday, referring to the 42.7-metre high statue of Lord Murugan, the Hindu warrior god, at Batu Caves in Selangor.
Pointing to the Federal Constitution which states that Islam is the religion of the federation, the former judge insisted Islam is above other faiths.
“When non-Muslims build such big idols, it hurts people’s feelings,” he said.He added that non-Muslims had freedom of worship, but that such freedom must be exercised in a way where “Muslims don’t feel threatened”.
The retired judge also criticised the 30.2-metre high statue of Kuan Yin, the Goddess of Mercy, at a Buddhist temple at Air Itam, Penang.
“Islam forbids images (of gods). Here, you allow images of Buddha in the country. That’s not consistent with Islam. But if you cover it up, you can allow it,” Mohd Noor said.
Mohd Noor also called for Malaysians to set aside their racial identity and to simply think of themselves as Malaysians, in order to foster national integration.
“The constitution does not divide the community to Malays, Chinese, Indians and others. In the Federal Constitution, Malaysia is composed of the Orang Asli, natives, and non-native community,” he said.
He noted that the constitution defines natives as the Malays from the peninsula and the Bumiputera in Sabah and Sarawak.
“Malays now are inclusive Malays, not exclusive,” he said.
Mohd Noor said that based on the Federal Constitution’s definition of a Malay — who is defined as a Muslim who speaks the Malay language and conforms to Malay customs — Malaysians who convert to Islam should be considered Malay.
“Why should the Malays be jealous and reject them as Malays? People tell me that if Muslim converts are considered Malay, we’re selling off Malay rights to the Chinese and Indians. But Islam says that you should share and share alike with Muslims,” he said….
And what of non-Muslims? “Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, and harsh to the unbelievers” (Qur’an 48:29).
jaytee says
he obviously has never been to Rio, with the size of the statue of Christ the Redeemer, what would he think of his religion???
Angemon says
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTkcwhJAm8M
🙂
mortimer says
What did the Taliban do to statues of Buddha?
The Buddhas of Bamiyan were two 6th century monumental statues of standing Buddha carved into the side of a cliff in the Bamwam valley in the Hazarajat region of central Afghanistan, 230 km northwest of Kabul. The Taliban dynamited them in March 2001.
Barb R says
Sure makes his minarets look small, doesn’t it? No wonder the poor guy is so insecure.
voegelinian says
There is a very small, but growing, population of Muslim in Brazil. Those few in Rio must suffer horribly from two outrages to their sensibilities: the giant stone Jesus statue that overlooks the city; and the annual Carnaval where men and scantily clad women mingle freely all day and all night to the pulsating rhythms of street music.
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2006/09/branco-preto-mulato.html
PGuud says
Islam is an affront to humanity.
Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.
nabi sange says
Islam brings the Arabic old jahiliyah to our modern world.
citycat says
They accuse others of affrontary and are the only accusers and therefore are the only ones with religious prejudice.
They make this ridiculous statement to engage in conflict.
Absolutely everything is jihad.
Jay Boo says
Islam is an affront to all of humanity.
Let every Muslim in every nation stand-up in public and bow their heads in unremitting shame at the mere mention of that most vulgar of names ‘MUHAMMAD’
Ayatrollah says
Why do Muslims get their “feelings” hurt so easily? Maybe they should work on it, rather than expect the rest of us to Change. My feelings are hurt by some Quran verses. Will Muslims consider changing them?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Why do Muslims get their “feelings” hurt so easily? Maybe they should work on it…
No, things are going fine for the Moslems with the current, 1400 yr old regime. Primacy has always been the central tenet of Islam, its main source of energy. Complain of insult on the one hand, dish them out on the other. Western democracies are particularly inept at dealing with Islam because they brook its functional hypocrisy, the asymmetry of relations that feeds it.
mortimer says
Islam cannot evolve, because change is blasphemy. They can only leave the death cult and thereby incur a death sentence. Their family and friends then have a duty to execute them as ‘traitors’ and blasphemers.
umbra says
islam is homogeneous and parasitic.
Salah says
“..the former judge insisted Islam is above other faiths.”
In order for Islam to be “above other faiths”, Muslims need to prove that Muhammad was above all other men. Not an easy task!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html
PJG says
Funny though; many of the Muslims I met (Sudan) are very much taken with self-help books; Deepak Chopra, that sort of thing. Maybe the guiding light of the “perfect man” is a trifle insufficient? Well, we know the Prophet doesn’t have the answers to the questions of modern life, which is why Muslims everywhere are being pushed back into the 7th Century.
(At least Deepak Chopra isn’t white. No man considered wise – by white people as well as others – is white. Heaven forbid.)
Defcon 4 says
@PJG
Perversely enough, there exist authentic ahadith that plainly refer to Muhahahaahahahamad as a “white” man.
PRCS says
That great big statue makes Muslims fearful? Of what–that it might fall on them?
Champ ✿ says
Adherents to islam suffer from a “superiority complex” …
su·pe·ri·or·i·ty com·plex
noun
1.
an attitude of superiority that conceals actual feelings of inferiority and failure.
Dreeber says
Actually that is an inferiority complex. That’s what’s complex about it.
mortimer says
Muslims recite their supremacism 17 times a day 365 days a year, approximately 300,000 to 400,000 times in a lifetime.
voegelinian says
Hi Champ, I would see your superiority complex and raise it ! I’d say Muslim suffer from something more extreme that pretty much nobody else has — a supremacy complex.
And to the demurrer below: yes of course, it’s really an inferiority complex — but then, all people who have a superiority complex are really indulging an inferiority complex; so in keeping with my coinage above, we can say that the lurking inferiority complex Muslims have is that much worse than what other superiority complex people normally indulge.
In this, as in so many other ways, Muslims are off the charts and should not really be compared with normal people. They have created and they cultivate a unique standard, based upon that “best model” for all mankind Mohammed.
Champ ✿ says
I’d say Muslim suffer from something more extreme that pretty much nobody else has — a supremacy complex.
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Good one, Voegelinian! 😉
eva says
I was brought up in Penang. There was always controversy about the Kek Lok Si Goddess of Mercy statue. If you look at statues of the goddess she is usually depicted as a slender female with a long neck. The Goddess in Penang, has a short neck. This is due to her being taller than the tallest mineret of the state mosque in the building plans. So she had to be shortened to be approved. I remember this from my childhood as this was a newsworthy story at the time!
Like all Malaysians born in the 1970s-1980s, we accepted this as a fact of life. That respect for Islam was paramount or the consequences would be disastrous. We accepted that we had to tiptoe around Islam in order to enjoy freedom of religion. At least we weren’t being beheaded or persecuted or forced to convert. What a generous ruling coalition we have.
Only when I went overseas did I realise the extent of brainwashing that had gone on at school level. So much so that I was defending our practices to my foreign friends at one point. Now, all I can do is shake my head at the ignorant close minded people chosen for colour and religion and not merit. They bring shame to my country and the good people in it.
Rezali Mehil says
Whilst I sympathize… don’t worry about it.
Islam is a wonderful closed loop ..it is not broken…so no need fior a fix.
More Later….
Rezali
Defcon 4 says
ukhari:V4B52N177
“Allah’s Apostle said, You Muslims will fight the Jews till some of them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, “O Abdullah (slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.”‘”
Ishaq:441
“Allah’s Apostle said, The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”‘”
In Sahih Muslim: Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allahs Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Yes, “no need for a fix”, just a few more genocides.
More Later…
voegelinian says
Islam is a closed loop indeed: an infernal and pernicious one, not wonderful at all.
Eels says
“More later”
Can’t wait – I have Easter to celebrate.
Buraq says
@ the brainless bint, Rezali
Islam is a closed loop, you say. Loopy, y’mean, y’clown! By the way, on the subject of ‘size matters’: Why didn’t your ‘prophet’ manage to have any sons? Not man enough, eh?
Champ says
Islam is a wonderful closed loop ..it is not broken…so no need fior a fix.
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Such drivel! …yeah if islam is “wonderful”, then I’m the Queen of England, you guys.
“really mindless” is such a lost cause serving an evil cause: islame.
gravenimage says
The evil Rezali Mehil wrote:
Whilst I sympathize… don’t worry about it.
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Good God, what a liar—Rezali Mehil does not “sympathize”—she is gloating over non-Muslims being treated as dhimmis.
More:
Islam is a wonderful closed loop ..it is not broken…so no need fior a fix.
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Islam is indeed a “closed loop” of ignorance, bigotry, violence, and the destruction of art—but there is *nothing* “wonderful” about it. *Ugh*.
And this Mohammedan lives in England—she wants just the same Muslim supremacy and threat to Infidel worship and art in Britain.
gravenimage says
Eva, thank you for the inside view of dhimmitude on the ground in Malaysia. I’m glad you got out. Where are you living now?
Doc says
It’s seems that everything offends Islam that’s not Islam. How many will be murdered over this statue ? These people live to kill if I FEEL LIKE IVE BEEN TIED TO THE WHIPPING POST everything was Muslim they start killing each other. Thatscwhat there about not peace.
Steve B says
The dumb thing is that the Batu Caves are not that easy to get to and are surrounded by Hindu communities. If one does not want to be offended by these statues then don’t go to the temple and you will NEVER see it. The annual festival at Thaipusam held at the Batu Caves draws well over a million participants and tourists every year (according to some sources the 2007 festival was one of the largest gatherings in history). But that of course means nothing to Islamic Facsists like Datuk Noor.
duh_swami says
On the other hand, a minaret, usually large, is a phallic symbol, of Islam’s victory over kuffar by rape. The symbolism goes deeper than that, but I will spare you the pornographic details.
Veracious_one says
have you ever noticed how much minarets look like missiles?
duh_swami says
They didn’t have missiles in those days but they did have phallic.
Charli Main says
The Muslims in Afghanistan destroyed all the Hindu and Buddhist temples and monuments that had pre dated the Muslim invasion of that country by thousands of years.
Its what Muslims do to the holy sites of other religions. If they can´t stick minarets on them and convert them into Mosques, they destroy them.
Angemon says
I say we kickstart a project to send Semeru/Mazo to explain Malayan mosleems how Indonesian islam is different, how it respects Hinduism and Buddhism, why what they’re doing is wrong and why Malayan mosleems should adopt Indonesian islam. Hindus and Buddhists get to keep their statues, Semeru/Mazo get to dawah, everybody wins.
Steve B says
Christians in Aceh Province wouldn’t agree with you that Indonesian Islam is Different from Malaysian. In fact I would suggest that mon Muslims have it a little better in Malaysia as the British were good enough to leave a few of their cultural values behind in Malaysia after colonialism was through in the 50s and 60s.
Angemon says
I’m not the one making the claim, Semeru/Mazo is. I’m just calling him out on that.
Mazo says
I’m not sure if you are deliberately lying or playing stupid, but the Acehnese had been trying to seperate themselves from the Javanese dominated Indonesia when they were granted autonomy.
Its Javanese Muslims who retain Hindu influence, use Hindu names and don’t have problems with their Balinese Hindu brethren. Acehnese are more orthodox.
gravenimage says
Here’s Mazo, once again trying to imply that Muslims are entirely heterodox, and have nothing in common with each other.
Why, some of them are more like Hindus than other Muslims! sarc/off
Shari’ah is much further along in Aceh, and Javanese Muslims have a lot of superficial Hindu cultural influence, but this *does not mean* that non-Muslims are not threatened by Muslims there:
“Human Rights Watch: Violence against religious minorities in Indonesia ‘surges'”
““Short prison terms for a handful of offenders did nothing to dissuade mob violence,” the report added, pointing to the February incident in western Java when some three Ahmadis were killed and five injured when some 1,500 Islamic militants attacked a house.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/human-rights-watch-violence-against-religious-minorities-in-indonesia-surges
Semeru says
Yeah right, you just like most others here just do not have a clue
You grossly overlook how many ethnic Chinese suffered the many war crimes committed by the british, just google Batang Kali massacre
Also you grossly overlook
Bumiputera or Bumiputra a Malaysian term to describe the Malay race and other indigenous peoples of Southeast Asia, and used particularly in Malaysia. The term comes from the Sanskrit word bhumiputra, which can be translated literally as “son of the land” or “son of the soil” (bhumi= earth or land, putra=son).
In the 1970s, the Malaysian government implemented policies which The Economist called “racially discriminatory” designed to favour bumiputras (including affirmative action in public education) to create opportunities, and to defuse inter-ethnic tensions following the extended violence against Chinese Malaysians in the 13 May Incident in 1969. These policies have succeeded in creating a significant urban Malay middle class. They have been less effective in eradicating poverty among rural communities. Some analysts have noted a backlash of resentment from excluded groups, in particular the sizeable Chinese and Indian Malaysian minorities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumiputera_(Malaysia)
Sabboleh says
And why like most Muslims at these blogs do you need to resort to insult and rudeness?
I accept your comments about the Bumiputera system, the social and economic advantages Malays have and the uneasy truce they have with non Muslim Malaysians.
Yet I still would reply that without the British influence and the British based constitution and democratic system and education systems that Malaysia would have descended into a tyranny a lot faster than Indonesia did and the Muslim supremacy would have been much worse than it is now. The Chinese and the Indians were beneficiaries of the British legacy.
Sabboleh says
I would also agree with you about the policies of the Malay dominated governments of the 70s and 80s created a Malay middle class without helping the rural Malay. What it did was create a lazy Malay urban population with a deeply engrained sense of entitlement. The Chinese and Indians on the other hand became self reliant and resilient. While I agree there may be resentment on the part of the minorities, most Chinese and Indians play the game and live mostly repression free lives. The Malay leadership fir the most part have been smart enough not to push things too far.
The resentment that counts is amongst the rural Malay who been left behind while their urban non Malay compatriots achieved relative wealth and success through hard work and perseverance.
gravenimage says
Semeru wrote:
Yeah right, you just like most others here just do not have a clue
You grossly overlook how many ethnic Chinese suffered the many war crimes committed by the british…
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More Tu Quoque. Even were this analogous, this is Jihad Watch, not “British Empire Watch”.
Any supposed British crimes from over 65 years ago tells you nothing about whether Muslims are persecuting Infidels in Malaysia now.
More:
Also you grossly overlook
Bumiputera or Bumiputra a Malaysian term to describe the Malay race and other indigenous peoples of Southeast Asia, and used particularly in Malaysia…
In the 1970s, the Malaysian government implemented policies which The Economist called “racially discriminatory” designed to favour bumiputras (including affirmative action in public education) to create opportunities, and to defuse inter-ethnic tensions following the extended violence against Chinese Malaysians in the 13 May Incident in 1969… Some analysts have noted a backlash of resentment from excluded groups, in particular the sizeable Chinese and Indian Malaysian minorities.
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What Semeru hopes *we* will overlook is that the Bumiputra system *imposes dhimmitude on non-Muslims*.
Since every ethnic Malay is considered Muslim, this system is Muslim supremacy disguised as “affirmative action”.
Also, the idea of “affirmative action”—always a rather dodgy concept—for the *majority* is just racial and religious supremacy.
*Of course* there has been some resentment from Chinese and Hindus—they do most of the work of Malaysian society, and struggle against institutional discrimination.
That they have done as well as they have is a testament to the Infidel work ethic—but, as in this story, they are always at risk of further oppression and violence by supremacist Muslims.
Semeru says
well Indonesia does not have the Bumiputera system
paul says
islam, a scam/fraudulent “religion”/cult founded by a pedophile/necrophile/murderer/rapist/thief/robber/liar/con-man/psychopath/sex-pervert posing as a prophet with 1.5 billion
muslims as its victims. you need to be stupid to be a muslim…so we get muslim “authorities” talking rubbish all the time. it gets tiresome listening to them.
jewdog says
In Judaism, I know that Buddhist statues are not considered idolatrous because Buddha is not considered a god in Buddhism. In any case, this intolerance in Malaysia is very alarming. I wouldn’t be surprised if it devolves into violence at some point.
mariam rove says
every thing about an Islamic state is alarming. M
gravenimage says
jewdog wrote:
In Judaism, I know that Buddhist statues are not considered idolatrous because Buddha is not considered a god in Buddhism.
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This is generally true about Buddhism, Jewdog. Funny how Muslims complain about Infidels (supposedly) misunderstanding Islam, but the fact is that Muslims misunderstand other faiths all the time.
Of course, whatever Jews’ attitudes about idolatry, they aren’t threatening Christians or Hindus or anyone else for erecting statues.
And yes—this is not idolatry in Christianity, and arguably also in Hinduism, but what does it matter?
Regarding most faiths, it makes little difference if the adherents of other faiths have a few misconceptions about them—after all, not everyone has a degree in comparative religion.
The important thing is that people are allowed to worship freely, as long as they do so peacefully and do not seek to impose their beliefs on others.
Of course, this will *never* happen under Islam.
Richard Parmene says
Datuk Mohd Noor Abdullah probably doesn’t mention that muslim minarets also show that “his religion is all mighty and powerful”. The buddhists should agree to remove their statue only if the muslims agree to remove all their minarets. But of course, Islam is the one true religion whereas the buddhist statue is idolatry, therefore false.
Guy Macher says
If it offends Muslims, I’m all for it. However, I am surprised that moderate followers of the Religion of Peace ® in moderate Malaysia are offended. Yeah, surprised.
mariam rove says
you mean the so called religion of peace…..m
Transmaster says
Let us really make these “A”holes Muslims feel wanting let the Hindus erect (pun intended) a giant LINGUS का हिंदी मतलब जाने. Which represents the genitals of Shiva.
In southern India where Hinduism has been celebrated for thousands of years there are Lingus that have been the center of worship since before the Egyptian Great Pyramids where built.
And yes Air Lingus is the “dick” airline of Ireland. 😉
Jan says
Sorry, Transmaster, but Shiva’s penis is a lingam, or linga, *not*”lingus”.
Although I must admit I rather love the idea of ‘Air Penis’ jetting into Dublin ! 🙂
Will Doohan says
I’d like to see the paint job on that plain. :- D
Transmaster says
I was trying to decide which spelling to use I was seeing it spelled in many different ways and I did not have time this morning to research it. 🙂
voegelinian says
I think we need to understand that Muslims are not “offended” in the way we think. The offense which they take is not that they fear competition — but rather that they simply hate and cannot tolerate any disobedience to their totalitarian vision of submission.
Steve B says
Malaysian officials are such idiots. I lived in Malaysia for ten years and shook my head that whole time. I couldn’t believe some of the simplistic nonsense government and other officials said and have most Malaysians nodding at their “wise and meaningful” statements. Here the good Datuk says that all Malaysians should think of themselves as Malaysian first and religious and cultural differences should be put aside yet in almost the same breath tells other races and religions that they have to do things the Muslim Malay way… or else…Idiot!
paul says
obviously the ex judge is an idiot. he should worry more about his prophet being A PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, MURDERER, RAPIST, LIAR,
PSYCHOPATH, CON-MAN than the size of somebody else’s statue or penis.
he should be also trying to explain why so many terrorists happen to be
muslims.
gravenimage says
Steve, I don’t believe this is “idiocy” in the usual sense. All supremacist Muslims in Malaysia are concerned about is Islam maintaining control—they don’t care if their arguments are reasonable or not—just so long as Infidels are properly cowed and toe the line.
voegelinian says
In 1995 the fairly PC MC online magazine Kinema wrote an extended analysis of the Malaysian and generally south Asian Muslim reception of, and reaction to, the Disney film Aladdin (which, as has often been the case with Hollywood blockbusters, proved to be an enormous box-office success overseas, perhaps earning more money from non-Western audiences than from Western — demonstrating the typical schizophrenic Love-Hate relationship to American culture of Third Worlders in general). Against their “correct” instincts, the authors of the essay are unable to note this interestingly damning evidence about the sociocultural disease of Muslim Malays:
“… the threatened punishment of the amputation of Jasmine’s hand for inadvertently stealing an apple, or the beheading (that didn’t actually occur) of Aladdin for stealing a loaf of bread (or for consorting with the princess Jasmine; it never is made quite clear) [in the Disney movie]—is rather tame compared to the punishments meted out in many Malaysian period films, in which characters routinely suffer amputations of various body parts, or are speared, beheaded, and/or burned alive, all in the name of Allah. Anyone familiar with Malaysian cinema should have no problem understanding why audiences, in general, chose to ignore calls to ban or boycott the film and instead treated themselves to an evening of song and romance.”
Thus, the Malaysian Muslims who protested Alladin because of its supposed “racism” and because it goes against Islam which “upholds moral values”, have no problem with their own indigenous entertainment fare that revels in grotesquely ghoulish violence directly connected with their Islamic god. So much for Islamic culture, pop or otherwise.
For more details, see the essay I wrote on this back in 2006 (wow, 2006… how time flies; and not only are we still seeing the same old Islamic crap, and the same old Western myopic crap to the problem of Islam; it’s been getting metastatically worse — and still we have Jihad Watch Softies making the whole bloody catastrophe that much more aggrievingly asinine and annoying).
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2006/09/aladdin-disney-malaysia-and-islam_29.html
gravenimage says
Voegelinian wrote:
Thus, the Malaysian Muslims who protested Alladin because of its supposed “racism” and because it goes against Islam which “upholds moral values”, have no problem with their own indigenous entertainment fare that revels in grotesquely ghoulish violence directly connected with their Islamic god. So much for Islamic culture, pop or otherwise.
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There’s a reason for this, of course, Voegelinian—Muslims rarely mind references to Islamic savagery as long as it *is not critical of that savagery*.
In most Western films, especially Disney, it is clear even if not explicit that these barbaric punishments are *bad things* that would be done to the heroes of the story—not great examples of “Islamic justice”.
No one is allowed to criticize Islam—the “filthy Kuffar” least of all.
And I remember your essay on Aladdin—I read it some years ago. Good piece.
Will Doohan says
I think it’s a beautiful statue. No wonder the Muslims hate it. Love, Beauty, and Truth are all inimical to Islam.
And the Hindus around the world should rally themselves behind the idea of a warrior god defending them from the depredations of the Mohammaden Mob.
dumbledoresarmy says
Observe that the Muslim objected to a statue of “Kuan Yin, the goddess of **mercy**”. He called it a Buddha but in fact it’s a different figure.
I’m not at all surprised that a man from the cult of cruelty, bullying, rape, theft, slave-taking and ritual murder would object to Kuan Yin, the personification of the principle of mercy and compassion. (Real mercy: when Muslims call allah the “compassionate and merciful” they are using the words either as a warding off [since their infernal allah is anything but], or in an Orwellian sort of way that strips them of their real meaning and invests them with the opposite – e.g. Cruelty is Mercy – *Jihad* has been called “a mercy”).
Kuan Yin is sometimes represented with a “thousand hands” (all the better to help and heal),and there is a very famous traditional dance that represents this concept.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqkcQm0Dh_8
More on the Guan Yin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanyin
Mazo says
In Imperial China, traditionally Hui Muslims would build Mosques which look exactly like Chinese Temples, with no minarets. Very toned down in nature.
Hui Mosques even used to have inscriptions wishing long life to the Emperor located inside the Mosque.
Mazo says
China had been a big sponsor of spreading Islam and supporting Muslim Sultanates in the 15th century.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/china-buddhist-monks-training-to-defend-against-jihad-terror-attacks/comment-page-1#comment-1033851
Although some Malay states like Kedah were Muslim in the 11th century, it was Parameswara who converted along with most of the Malays in the early 1400s.
The Thai forced the Malays into vassalage after conquing the entire Malay peninsula before most Malays became Muslims. Note that is said Parameswara converted to Islam, changed his name to Iskandar Shah, and then he asked China for help in gaining independence from Thailand and created the Malacca Sultanate as a protectorate of China.
The Sulu state, Mindanao, and Brunei had relations with China before they became Muslim Sultanates. In fact, historians say that China in part played a rolein making them Muslim, China sent Arabs as ambassadors to Brunei like p’u-kung-chih- mu and P’u Lu-hsieh and they proselytized Islam. (for some reason western and Brunei historians still use Wade Giles romanization for their names).
The Arab Makhdum Karim arrived on Mindanao in a Chinese junk to proselytize Islam to the Maguindanao Moros.
The Ming dynasty China sent Muslim officers to Sulu to proselytize Islam to the Tausug Moros, along with Arabs.
The Spanish attacks on the Moros in fact only increased Islamization among the animist peoples of Mindanao, as resistance to the Spanish became identified with Islam.
Many of the Muslim Sultanates in southeast asia like Sulu, Malacca, and Samudra Pasai were founded with Chinese approval and were protectorates and tributaries of China. They looked to China for protection and as a source of authority, like how alot of countries in NATO do for the USA.
The Malay Sultans (and formerely the Sulu Sultans) even wear yellow robes which were originally inspired by the yellow robes of the Chinese Emperors.
It was the Aceh Sultanate on the other hand, which looked to the Ottoman Empire for protection, invoked the name of the Ottoman Sultan and dressed like him.
gravenimage says
And all of this proves that Islam is not oppressive…how, exactly?
Just more sand-throwing by old “Horse”…
There are many instances of Infidels temporarily allying with Muslims throughout history, mostly on the “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” principle. These alliances have not always gone well for the “filthy Kuffar”, since Muslims feel no real affinity for them.
sidney penny says
Maybe the retired Court of Appeals judge Datuk Mohd Noor Abdullah should have said:
Datuk Mohd Noor Abdullah stressed that such sculptures such as the Muslim victory tower should not be built in the open, but should be placed within an enclosed building instead.
“With such a huge statue, you’re showing that your religion,Islam, is all mighty and powerful,” Mohd Noor told The Malay Mail Online and Bernama in an joint interview yesterday, referring to the Qutub Minar which is suppose to be a victory tower built by a Muslim Qutub-Ud-Din-Aibak during 1193 and 1368 in Delhi.
“When Muslims build such big tower and mosques, it hurts the Hindus people’s feelings,” he said.He added that Muslims had freedom of worship, but that such freedom must be exercised in a way where “non-Muslims don’t feel threatened”.
http://www.nativeplanet.com/delhi/attractions/qutub-complex/
Qutab Minar is a soaring, 73 m-high tower of victory, built in 1193 by Qutab-ud-din Aibak immediately after the defeat of Delhi’s last Hindu kingdom. The tower has five distinct storeys, each marked by a projecting balcony and tapers from a 15 m diameter at the base to just 2.5 m at the top. The first three storeys are made of red sandstone; the fourth and fifth storeys are of marble and sandstone. At the foot of the tower is the Quwwat-ul-Islam Mosque, the first mosque to be built in India. An inscription over its eastern gate provocatively informs that it was built with material obtained from demolishing ’27 Hindu temples’. A 7 m-high iron pillar stands in the courtyard of the mosque.
Iltutmush in 1230 and Alla-ud-din Khilji in 1315 made additions to the building. The main mosque comprises of an inner and outer courtyard,decorated with shafts and surrounded by piller. Most of these shafts are from the 27 Hindu temples, which were plundered to construct the mosque. It is, therefore, not surprising that the Muslim mosque has typical Hindu ornamentation. Close to the mosque is one of Delhi’s most curious antiques, the Iron Pillar.
Defcon 4 says
@sidney penny
There are some Hindus who assert the Tah Majal wasn’t originally a muslime mausoleum, but a Hindu temple re-purposed by an islam0nazi ruler.
Jay says
Could one or more of the Islamic diehards that come to read on this site publicly call for the Statue Of Liberty in New York to be taken down as it offends Islam? Many of us Americans would welcome another example to point to of how Islam so readily coexists with our own American culture, history, and beliefs………….
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Interfaith outreach in Malaysia: Judge says huge Hindu, Buddhist statues an affront to Islam
“With such a huge statue, you’re showing that your religion is all mighty and powerful”
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My God, what projection. That is exactly what Islam does—insist that Islam and Shari’ah norms trump all.
…Datuk Mohd Noor Abdullah said — and in the supremacist vision that he has, since he “insisted Islam is above other faiths,” that is unacceptable.
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And…sure enough. What pious Mohammedans really fear is that adherents of other faiths might dare to consider themselves *the equals* of Muslims.
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KUALA LUMPUR: The “huge” statues at a Hindu temple in Batu Caves and Buddhist temple in Penang are an affront to Islam as the religion forbids idolatry, a retired Court of Appeals judge said.
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Batu Caves is the largest Hindu shrine outside of India. The photo illustrating this story is the largest statue of Murugan, a Hindu deity. It was erected in 1890.
The Kek Lok Si Buddhist Temple in Penang is the largest Buddhist temple in southeast Asia. Construction of the temple began the same year the statue of Murugan was erected. Here’s the statue of Kuan Yin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ke_Lok_Si-Kuan_Yin_Statue-Daytime.jpg
So far, these shrines have been protected by colonial law and its vestiges—but Malaysia, long ruled by Muslim supremacy, is further fast Islamizing. These works of shrines—and the people who worship there—may no longer be even marginally safe.
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Datuk Mohd Noor Abdullah stressed that such sculptures of non-Muslim deities should not be built in the open, but should be placed within an enclosed building instead.
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This is in line with the restrictions on non-Muslims making any “public display of their religion”. Of course, it is not just the statues that Muslims find “offensive”, but likely the very ornate shrines themselves.
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“When non-Muslims build such big idols, it hurts people’s feelings”
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Really? Somehow, I doubt that Hindus are complaining about the temple in Penang, or Buddhists about the Batu Caves—this is all about *Muslim* complaints. But then, it is only Muslim complaints that matter…
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he said.He added that non-Muslims had freedom of worship, but that such freedom must be exercised in a way where “Muslims don’t feel threatened”.
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And what “threatens” Muslims? In many parts of Dar-al-Islam it is *any* churches, temples, synagogues, or shrines. In the most Islam stretches of the Muslim world, it is Infidels so much as possessing Bibles, crucifix jewelry, Stars of David, and other small and private objects.
It is not just statues—Malaysian Muslims have also threatened Christians who use the word “Allah” for God or who dare to hold Easter pageants in the Malaysian language.
The crackdown in Infidels goes *way* beyond such high-profile expressions of Infidel faith as large statuary.
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The retired judge also criticised the 30.2-metre high statue of Kuan Yin, the Goddess of Mercy, at a Buddhist temple at Air Itam, Penang.
“Islam forbids images (of gods)…
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Does it matter that Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity *do not* have such restrictions? Of course not…
As always, it is not enough that Muslims themselves do not create images—they have to restrict or destroy the creations of others.
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Here, you allow images of Buddha in the country. That’s not consistent with Islam. But if you cover it up, you can allow it,” Mohd Noor said.
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“Covering it up” would be no more than a first step…
Besides, the whole point of such an image is that it is to be seen.
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Mohd Noor also called for Malaysians to set aside their racial identity and to simply think of themselves as Malaysians, in order to foster national integration.
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Now, *that* is grimly hilarious. In other words, to “foster national integration”, they need to embrace Shari’ah norms, even if that restricts their own ability to worship freely.
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“The constitution does not divide the community to Malays, Chinese, Indians and others. In the Federal Constitution, Malaysia is composed of the Orang Asli, natives, and non-native community,” he said.
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And anyone who knows anything about the Malaysian constitution knows that this is *quite a division*. Ethnic Malays *by law* must adhere to Islam, which makes things especially hellish for apostates; and all “non-natives”, many of whom have lives in Malaysia *for generations*, are treated as second-class citizens.
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“Why should the Malays be jealous and reject them as Malays? People tell me that if Muslim converts are considered Malay, we’re selling off Malay rights to the Chinese and Indians. But Islam says that you should share and share alike with Muslims,” he said….
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Notice that the *only* argument here is over full rights *for Muslim converts*. There is *no* question of full rights for Infidels of *any* ethnic group.