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Malaysia: Muslim medical group says Muslim doctors must amputate thieves’ hands

Apr 29, 2014 8:35 am By Robert Spencer

Malaysian Muslims at prayerMuslim doctors must fully support Sharia laws, says i-Medik, and that includes amputation of hands for theft, as per the Qur’an: “As for the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they committed as a deterrent from Allah” (5:38).

Ground Zero Mosque Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf once said this about Sharia’s compatibility with the U.S. Constitution: “The only truly clashing area is the penal code, and no Muslim has the intention of introducing that to America. The penal code is the area that people in the Western world are worried about — but these are things that aren’t even observed today in most of the Muslim world. Apart from the Taliban and a few places like that, where do you see this happening?” Malaysia.

Meanwhile, the renowned scholar of Sharia Reza Aslan has said: “There’s really no such thing as just Sharia, it’s not one monolithic Continuum – Sharia is understood in thousands of different ways over the 1,500 years in which multiple and competing schools of law have tried to construct some kind of civic penal and family law code that would abide by Islamic values and principles, it’s understood in many different ways…” 1,500 years! That would take us back to the year 514 — so apparently Aslan thinks that Sharia predates Islam, which according to the canonical view came into being nearly 100 years after that, in 610, when Muhammad supposedly received his first revelation from the angel Gabriel. Anyway, Aslan is also wrong about Sharia being so amorphous as to defy characterization. Everywhere it is implemented today, and everywhere that it has been implemented historically, it has looked pretty much the same — as we see again in the form of Sharia that i-Medik is demanding Malaysian doctors obey.

“Medical association disrespected Muslims over amputations under hudud, says group,” Malay Mail Online, April 27, 2014 (thanks to Halal Pork Shop):

KUALA LUMPUR, April 27 — The Malaysian Medical Association (MMA) has disrespected Muslims and Muslim doctors by threatening to axe doctors who perform amputations under hudud, according to Muslim medical practitioners’ group i-Medik.

Muslim doctors have sworn to an Islamic doctor’s oath which also binds them to Islam as a way of life and the implementation of Islamic laws including hudud, it added.

“A Muslim doctor performs his task according to the Islamic medical doctor’s oath, which fully supports Islam as a way of life, and this includes fully supporting Shariah laws,” i-Medik chairman Prof Dr Azmi Md Nor said.

His message was carried on Islamist group Ikatan Muslimin Malaysia’s (Isma) website. i-Medik is allied to Isma.

Dr Azmi did not specify which Islamic oath he was referring to, and how it differs with the Hippocratic Oath taken by all doctors.

The Hippocratic Oath states, among others, that doctors must never do harm to anyone, and must do what is best for their patients.

According to the group, MMA had been hasty in its warning and does not understand the controversial Islamic penal code.

“If MMA does not agree with hudud suggestion for Kelantan, it cannot make hudud as a joke for the 63.1 per cent Muslims in Malaysia,” warned Dr Azmi.

On Thursday, the MMA vowed it will seek to disqualify surgeons who perform the unethical amputations on criminals convicted under hudud in Kelantan.

Datuk Dr NKS Tharmaseelan, the MMA president, criticised the Kelantan government’s plans to have surgeons to perform amputations on criminal offenders convicted under the strict Islamic penal code.

As the World Health Organisation (WHO) has told doctors not to be a witness or certify the whipping and caning of criminals, Tharmaseelan said the amputation of criminals’ limbs would be even more “serious”.

Kelantan Deputy Mentri Besar Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah said this week that the state is considering engaging the service of surgeons in performing amputation on offenders.

In Islamic jurisprudence, “hudud” covers crimes such as theft, robbery, adultery, rape and sodomy. Punishments for the crimes are severe, including amputation, flogging and death by stoning.

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  1. john spielman says

    Apr 29, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Maylasia should just change its name to South Crapistan because the secular country is circling the toilet drain and descending into the common islamic cesspool

    • John C. Barile says

      Apr 29, 2014 at 8:59 am

      How poetic you are, JS! Such rapturous imagery. O, the glory of hudud!

      • Reality Check says

        Apr 29, 2014 at 1:47 pm

        Actually, it’s quite funny and very true. I lived in a very rich Islamic country in the Gulf but “a moral cesspool” doesn’t even start to describe it. Go Spielman! Well said!

  2. Twostellas says

    Apr 29, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Muslims demand to have separate human rights declarations and, now, separate oaths for doctors, yet we are to believe Islam is compatible with universal human rights and compatible with Western systems of government?

    • john spielman says

      Apr 29, 2014 at 10:11 am

      but we forget the ONLY rights that matter to them are the rights of muslims, the rest of us are mere kuffurs, “less than human” according to islamic theology so in a way human rights to a muslim means different things than to you or me. They see us as subhuman, kind a like the Nazi ‘s views of Slavs and Gypsies not mention Jews!

      • Jay Boo says

        Apr 29, 2014 at 1:08 pm

        The biggest problem is not the Muslims themselves.
        Many do not support such depravity.

        The biggest problem is not “calling it by its true name”
        REVEAL ISLAM to the world for what it is and force the media and Muslims to PUBLICALLY accept or reject it

        • defcon 5 says

          Apr 29, 2014 at 3:02 pm

          @JayBoo

          How do you know many scuzzlums don’t “support such depravity”? Have they ever publicly objected to ANY of it? Have they ever tried to stop it?

  3. Transmaster says

    Apr 29, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Severed human hands for hand transplants. I can just see it a soldier with a hand lost to jihadist action with a hand transplant from a Muslim thanking the Islamic world for his new hand by using it to eat Bar-be-Que pork ribs. works for me.

    • citycat says

      Apr 29, 2014 at 9:02 pm

      And i’d say, not just hands.

  4. Jay Boo says

    Apr 29, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Obama on his (Asia Tour) just visited Maylasia with a warning to Myanmar to not ‘oppress’ Muslims.

    It looks more like saber rattling to China not to pursue the ideology that just committed an Islamic terrorist attack on its soil.

    Obama should stop trying to pick fights with China (and Russia as well) when these countries practice self defense against encroaching Islam.

  5. big mess says

    Apr 29, 2014 at 10:06 am

    If amputating thieves’ hands was a deterrent from Allah, thieves would witness their hand vanishing into thin air as they thieved. Allah adalah tahi.

    • Jay Boo says

      Apr 29, 2014 at 10:39 am

      Let us not forget about thieving Muhammad and his low-life bandit ‘Companions’

      The barren moon is such a fitting symbol of Islam as it prowls in the dark yet tries to steal all the credit for the light at night.

      • John C. Barile says

        Apr 29, 2014 at 12:00 pm

        As I say, you are so poetic!

  6. Salah says

    Apr 29, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Who needs doctors?!?!

    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/islamic-amputations.html

  7. G179 says

    Apr 29, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    Muslims have their own version of the Hippocratic oath:
    The HYPOCRITICAL OATH.

  8. FIWI says

    Apr 29, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    Tonight just seems to be an above average ‘especially sickening, heartbreaking’ night for jihad posts, If you’re not immediately feeling the need to pray for the innocent wee souls kidnapped and sold, you’re fighting off the urge to cry or choking down the debased desire to rid the face of the world of such evil.

    Yet, even then in the midst of that you learn something new and catch a terrifying phrase in that learning ( who knew islam had it’s very own dark version of the hippocratic oath). Am I the l last to get the memo, or was anyone else sickened to recognise the “Whoever killeth a human being, not in lieu of another human being nor because of……… mischief on earth’ ( instant death sentence for whom and what we choose to take offense at), clear as day delineation between muslims and ‘infidels’.

    Until this night I never even thought of looking sideways or warily let alone fearfully at a (visiting- seems like a lovely- middle eastern doctor).I specifically Choose not to live my life tarring all with the same brush. However, We all get sick from time to time, as do our loved ones. So What are we supposed to do with this? Exactly what do you do with this information? We still have to go to the doctor. I wish somebody could explain how I’m supposed to view this from here on out. Because I don’t know myself.

    I honestly didn’t think I could be shocked anymore by the darkness of islam that I’ve learned so far. But this ( special medical oath just for us) is just too bizarre a cherry on the cake for me.

  9. Coastliner says

    Apr 30, 2014 at 3:40 am

    My God is there no end to their barbarity?

    • bernie says

      Apr 30, 2014 at 8:00 am

      if a thief’s hand gets cut off, then how can he perform an honest job and earn a living if he later gets reformed? I knew a former thief who did his time in jail, made restitution to victims and got rehabbed, and now he’s a good guy who has a proper job. If his hand had been cut off as punishment, then he wouldn’t have been able to re-enter society so well.

      • defcon 5 says

        Apr 30, 2014 at 10:44 am

        Worst yet, what if the thief turns out to be innocent? Are the muzzies going to give him a new hand?

  10. Robert Wagner says

    Apr 30, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    How very Humane of them.

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