“There is no liberal Islam or socialist Islam. You are either a Muslim or a jahilliah,” said Zaid Abdul Rahman. He also said: “Islam is Islam. Ideologies are not part of Islam and all these ideologies are from the west..liberalism, liberty, equity and human rights are all agenda of the atheist.” What will the Muslim spokesmen in the West who insist that Islam embodies liberalism, liberty, equity and human rights say to him? Most likely they will say nothing at all, except to accuse those who ask them about what he said of “Islamophobia” and of “siding with the extremists.”
“Liberty, human rights are godless and faithless ideologies, says Isma chief,” by Syed Jaymal Zahiid, Malay Mail Online, April 26, 2014 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
CYBERJAYA, April 26 ― Equality, liberty and human rights are “godless” and “faithless” ideologies created by atheists to destroy Islam, hardline Islamic group Ikatan Muslimin Malaysia (ISMA) said today.
Since Malaysia’s general elections in 2013, the non-governmental organisation has been growing in popularity, striking a chord with more conservative Malay Muslims who support its push for Malaysia to become an Islamic state.
ISMA’s uncompromising views and bald statements have been criticised mainly by Malaysia’s non Muslim minority and rights groups. Some have likened ISMA to the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Speaking at ISMA’ s convention for Muslim women, its president Zaid Abdul Rahman also said civil society groups are proxies of a Zionist-Christian agenda that seeks to confuse Muslims with ideologies which are unIslamic.
“Islam is Islam. Ideologies are not part of Islam and all these ideologies are from the west..liberalism, liberty, equity and human rights are all agenda of the atheist.
“They are a godless and faithless ideology.
“There is no liberal islam or socialist islam. You are either a Muslim or a jahilliah (an ignorant),” he said.
He added that Jewish and Christian groups were bent on making the world in their own mould.
“They are proxies..the enmity is not new. This rivalry has been there since the Prophet Muhammad’s days. The conspiracy to destroy Islam has always been there and they used various methods to make you stray away from Allah. This is an agenda to make the world Jewish and Christian,” he said.
Zaid also took aim at Malaysia’s parliamentary democracy political system, calling a tool created by to serve the interest of the same Zionist-Christian group.
“Some of you may challenge me that what I say is merely a conspiracy theory. Well I can tell you for certain that this is true. It is a fact,” he said without giving further details.
Zaid said ISMA, which strives to ensure the “purest” form of Islam is upheld in Malaysia, was set up to counter the threat against Islam.
Despite accusations to the contrary, Zaid claimed that ISMA promotes moderation and its version of Islam is universally suitable.
“We Isma promote moderation and I believe our model is timeless”.
Peter Buckley says
Hilarious. How dare this man suggest Islam is against Human Rights. Whatever gives him that idea?
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3104/kuwait-death-penalty-blasphemy
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3403/salam-al-marayati-human-rights-conference
Can we get JUST ONE “moderate” muslim to prove this man is wrong?
The sound of drifting tumbleweed………..
Angemon says
“Can we get JUST ONE “moderate” muslim to prove this man is wrong?”
No, but you can get moderate crowds of moderate muslims rioting on the streets and killing christians thousands of miles away while shouting “Islamophobia!!!” if a Western leader dares to criticize him (my money is on Stephen Harper BTW).
john spielman says
This is great. The more fundamental these people become, the harder for muslims to defend Islam.
What astonishes me is how incredibly deceived all muslims are. Their faith is based on a truly demonic religion founded by a truly evil man- Muhammed, who was a mass murderer thief liar rapist misogynist and demon possessed PEDOPHILE
Angemon says
“The more fundamental these people become, the harder for muslims to defend Islam.”
According to my experience, the harder it becomes for muslims to defend islam the harder muslims stick their fingers in their ears while shouting “LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU”.
Jay Boo says
And then their Causes Célèbre liberal (activists) in La La land Hollywood try to exploit the situation to get PC publicity by coming to Islam’s ‘rescue’.
Jay Boo says
Cause Célèbre
Defcon 4 says
@Angemon
You only see that kinda islamic behavior where they don’t have the necessary political power to merely imprison or murder critics of pisslam.
Fyodor says
Wait until they figure out that The Noble Qu’far created islam in order to destroy the evil people of this world.
Aitchmack says
Zaid Abdul Rahman is just confirming what a lot of us say about Islam. Yet still people pretend this is all just fantasy even when it comes directly from the mouths of Islamic leaders.
Sumit says
“Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.”
― Abraham Lincoln
And the same should be applicable for equality and human rights too.
defcon 5 says
Lincoln’s quote seem to describe the ideology of pisslam to a ‘t’.
Reality Check says
Yet they can’t wait to come here and taste all the joys of our “highly atheistic ideologies”, such as equality and welfare. Go figure.
Angemon says
“Speaking at ISMA’ s convention for Muslim women, its president Zaid Abdul Rahman also said civil society groups are proxies of a Zionist-Christian agenda that seeks to confuse Muslims with ideologies which are unIslamic.
“Islam is Islam. Ideologies are not part of Islam and all these ideologies are from the west..liberalism, liberty, equity and human rights are all agenda of the atheist.”
The notions of liberty, equity and human rights emerged from judaic-christian values. They’re not a part of an atheist agenda, they should be an end to which all human beings strive to achieve.
““There is no liberal islam or socialist islam. You are either a Muslim or a jahilliah (an ignorant),” he said.”
Is there some sort of universal definition of what makes someone a muslim? Because sunni and shia are still still struggling over it, and it’s been over 1400 years. Maybe we should ask the ahmadi, or the nation of islam.
“He added that Jewish and Christian groups were bent on making the world in their own mould.”
Ah, the typical mohamedan projection!
““They are proxies..the enmity is not new. This rivalry has been there since the Prophet Muhammad’s days. The conspiracy to destroy Islam has always been there and they used various methods to make you stray away from Allah. This is an agenda to make the world Jewish and Christian,” he said.”
“An agenda to make the world Jewish and Christian”? News flash: when islam was invented, the known world was jewish, christian, hinduist, buddhist, zoroastrian… See where i’m getting at? In fact, if muhammad’s supposed life is to serve as an example (and no muslim would ever say otherwise), then islam fails as a religion. Muhammad preached in Mecca for what, 13 years? And he had what, 150 followers? Islam as a religion is a staggering failure. Things changed after muhammad went to Medina and started a career as a highway bandit, and as a warlord later on. People flocked to participate in war for booty and sex slaves as flames to a moth and, after muhamamd died, many tried to quit islam, but Abu Bakr made it very clear in the Ridda wars that apostates were to be killed.
“Zaid also took aim at Malaysia’s parliamentary democracy political system, calling a tool created by to serve the interest of the same Zionist-Christian group.
“Some of you may challenge me that what I say is merely a conspiracy theory. Well I can tell you for certain that this is true. It is a fact,” he said without giving further details.”
“It is a fact, he said without giving further details”. Seems like the standard islamic debating technique to me 😉 . “It’s true because i say so”
“Zaid said ISMA, which strives to ensure the “purest” form of Islam is upheld in Malaysia, was set up to counter the threat against Islam.
Despite accusations to the contrary, Zaid claimed that ISMA promotes moderation and its version of Islam is universally suitable.”
So, he wants the most pure form of islam, but in a moderate way. Nope, no contradiction there.
“We Isma promote moderation and I believe our model is timeless”.”
My reaction:
Angemon says
A small correction: where it reads “as flames to a moth” it should read “as moths to a flame”. Obviously 😀
defcon 5 says
Angemon, that was an excellent blow-by-blow critique of the muslo-nazi’s rant.
JasonP says
His rant remind me of some on the religious right that condemn secular humanism. They would denigrate or trivialize our Greco-Roman heritage and its revival in the Renaissance and Enlightenment.
It not too surprising that some of these conservatives (like D’Souza) see these Muslims as soul mates. Hopefully they’re the exceptions.
Wellington says
His rant did not in the least, JasonP, remind me of the so-called religious right in the West. Not at all.
Here are some reasons: 1) there is no moral equivalency because any religious right in the West (including some clueless ones here and there like D’Souza) in no way want to kill you for disagreeing with them; 2) I know of no educated person who is a devout Christian or Jew who has ever denied the contributions of Greco-Roman civilization to Western Civilization as a whole; 3) the Renaissance, in its entirety, whether the Italian or Northern Renaissance, took full cognizance of the Christian contribution to Western Civilization—— as examples, ponder what Michelangelo and Thomas More produced; 4) Tu quoque reasoning such as yours does not aid, but rather detracts, from the overall struggle against Islamic supremacist designs which have, as their end goal, to pillory both Western religious believers and Western non-believers alike.
Please, quit comparing the Western religious right as being in any meaningful way comparable to what Islamic supremacists want for us all. Doing so muddies the waters terribly. Let me put it to you another way, in query form, to drive home my point: Wouldn’t you be tremendously relieved if every Muslim in the world woke up tomorrow as a devout member of “the Christian right?” I know I would. Big time.
JasonP says
I didn’t say they were identical. Indeed, as you point out the influence of Greco-Roman culture is part of our culture influencing everyone including those that deny that influence. I said it reminds me of how some on the religious right talk. The late Jerry Falwell complained about the promotion of “secular humanism” in our schools. Pat Robertson used similar rhetoric. Bill O’Reilly is on a war against secularism.
When Jefferson was asked about the origin of the ideas in the Declaration he said “it was intended to be an expression of the American mind … All its authority rests then on the harmonizing sentiments of the day, whether expressed in conversation, letters, printed essays, or in the elementary books of public right, as Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney, etc.”
Today most conservatives generally say “The notions of liberty, equity and human rights emerged from judaic-christian values.” and no mention of our Classical heritage. As I said, too many conservatives dismiss, ignore, or minimize our secular Classical heritage. They often sound like the Muslims attacking Western secular thought.
Wellington says
Sorry, such folks on the right don’t sound like Muslims really at all because, even assuming total ignorance on such folks’ part of the West’s extensive classical heritage, what they say doesn’t come with any threats from their respective belief system and that was my principal point. Besides, I know many Christian and Jewish conservatives who wouldn’t, not at all, deny the Greco-Roman heritage. Religious Jews and Christians are painted with too broad of a brush nowadays—–and this was an ancillary point of mine.
John C. Barile says
One of your best arguments, Wellington. Hats off to you from a Christian humanist (much indebted to a rational Classical-JudeoChristian synthesis) point of view!
Defcon 4 says
“Pat Robertson used similar rhetoric.” I call shenanigans. Let’s see some proof.
bill says
I think it would be fair to say that this nutter and his organisation is considered extreme even in Malaysia. The reference to the elements of the Declaration of Independence reminds one that at the time slavery was considered ‘normal’ in the colonies, there even white people who were indentured servants whose civil rights were limited. So equality applied to white people but not to black people.
thomas_h says
“Wouldn’t you be tremendously relieved if every Muslim in the world woke up tomorrow as a devout member of “the Christian right?” I know I would. Big time.”
Not only you and I and your interlocutor, but every bloody leftist who has finally realized that once his country succumbs to islam expressing of the liberal/leftist idiocies he has enjoyed under the oppressive regime of the “Christian Right” will carry heavy price.
somehistory says
As a “Christian wannabe (to be an imitator of Christ, I hope God declares me *Christian* someday),” I have to bring to your attention a couple of points regarding *appreciating* the culture/contributions of Greece and Rome: I, and others like me, appreciate the Greek language for making it possible for so many to speak of Christ and understand same. I, and others like me, appreciate the fabulous roads of the Romans that enabled the early Christians to travel easily in order to spread the *good news about Christ.* We appreciate the work of Gutenberg for his printing press and the making of the Bible available to any who wish to read it.
Speaking for myself, I appreciate most of all, God allowing me to search for Him and find Him. And teaching me to be, as Christ said, like God in that He provides rain and sunshine to all, so I should be kind to all, not taking a life because that one does not see things as I do.
On the other hand:
Ones who claim atheism may also want to credit Christ with his words from the Sermon on the Mount, his *golden rule* and other teachings about *loving one’s neighbor as one loves himself,* and *not to live by the sword* but to be *a peacemaker.* Even if one does not want to believe in a Supreme Being.
Angemon says
“Equality, liberty and human rights are “godless” and “faithless” ideologies created by atheists to destroy Islam, hardline Islamic group Ikatan Muslimin Malaysia (ISMA) said today.
[…]
“There is no liberal islam or socialist islam. You are either a Muslim or a jahilliah (an ignorant),” he said.
[…]
“They are proxies..the enmity is not new. This rivalry has been there since the Prophet Muhammad’s days. The conspiracy to destroy Islam has always been there and they used various methods to make you stray away from Allah. This is an agenda to make the world Jewish and Christian,” he said.
Zaid also took aim at Malaysia’s parliamentary democracy political system, calling a tool created by to serve the interest of the same Zionist-Christian group.
“Some of you may challenge me that what I say is merely a conspiracy theory. Well I can tell you for certain that this is true. It is a fact,” he said without giving further details.”
Lol! Not long ago i said that the standard muslim approach to other cultures included despising and demonizing them. The usual white knight for islam in the East claimed to”have no idea what you [me] are talking about Muslims demonizing other cultures.“. Where is he now, i’d really like him to explain why the leader of the so-called moderates is despising Western culture and demonizing judaism and christianity.
Jay Boo says
President Obama is expecting a warm welcome today from his Muslim ‘friends’ in Malaysia.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/26/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html
Kasey says
What a great example of Islamoreality for all the World to see or hear. I hope it gets global coverage!
Salah says
“Zaid Abdul Rahman also said civil society groups are proxies of a Zionist-Christian agenda that seeks to confuse Muslims with ideologies which are unIslamic.”
Well, guess what Zaid? this “agenda” is indeed working, Muslims are indeed getting confused, they are beginning to think, they are beginning to compare, and they are unhappy about what they’re discovering!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2014/01/egyptian-muslims-tear-up-quran.html
Giovanni99 says
How could anyone in their right mind promote Equality, liberty and human rights??
This is the work of the West, those Satan worshiping mongrels.
Really? Are they really believing this crap?
The world needs an enema and islam is the point of entry
Ayatrollah says
This pious brother has it right. Our western freedoms are anti Islam. And bad news for Muslim who want to live under sharia.
defcon 5 says
Have you ever considered sharia law, or parts thereof, are as much a part of islam as accepting Jesus Christ as the messiah is to Christianity?
Please point out to me which muslime states don’t enforce aspects of sharia law — in particular, islamic heresy and blasphemy laws.
unbeliever1 says
Totally agree with you.Well said.
Geordie says
“Equality, liberty and human rights created by atheists to destroy Islam.”
Looks like muslims have more in common with the religious right in the USA than I thought.
defcon 5 says
@Geordie
Then move to an islamic state dirtbag, and never be bothered by the Christian Right ever again.
thomas_h says
“Then move to an islamic state dirtbag…”
Well, he has been referred to as “intellectual amoeba” and “obnoxious punk”, but dirtbag is cute too.
But his choice – if he doesn’t wish to be bothered by the Christian Right – is not islamic states only. There are still some purely atheistic states where he may find refuge from the Christian menace. North Korea and Cuba come to mind. A few years ago Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, East Germany,…Romania…all these atheist havens were at his disposal. Unfortunately for him they all somehow died. Christians insist that their death, just like the death of Nazi Germany was caused by the overdose of atheism. Hm, God knows…maybe..
Joe says
The man is right.
When the UN was drawing up the Declaration, they did a study into slavery (since the Declaration was going to prohibit slavery). The UN’s own report :
– stated that under islam, slavery is legal
– documented that there were 250,000 slaves in Saudi Arabia (1948)
– stated that during WW2, if the Royal Navy was busy fighting the Nazis, Saudis were once again importing black slaves.
Take away oil from muslim countries, and for 1000 years, their economies were totally reliant on war and slavery. Making slavery illegal, contra human rights, is a fundamental attack on islam.
defcon 5 says
@Joe
Isn’t that the truth. Islam0fascist economies seemed to always been based
on raiding, pillaging, piracy and enslaving others. The greatest scuzzlum heroes are always the ones who were best at it: Saladin and Timurlane/Tamerlane.
It would seem to me the only states associated w/piracy and slavery in the 21st century are all islamic.
Joe says
As Segal points out in “Islam’s Black Slaves”, when the muslim world realised that Britain was determined to wipe out the slave trade in the 19th century, muslims took MORE black slaves in that century than in the previous 1000 centuries.
But who do the fascist Left blame for black slavery? Not the religion which had carried it on for 1000 years, not the religion which re-introduced European christians to slave-trading (via the 700 year occupation of Spain/Portugal), not the religion which never produced an anti-slavery movement, not the religion which stepped up its slave-taking in response to moral arguments by christians against slavery.
No. The Fascist Left blame white christians, and completely ignore the far more serious crimes of muslims. That is because the Fascist Left are racist and unprincipled. Now when white people are not slaving, the Fascist Left are only interested in the past of slavery, not the present. Because if they paid attention to the present, they would have to criticise swarthy muslims rather than white christians. Nothing makes the Left’s naked opportunism more apparent than this. I’ve even persuaded people to abandon their socialism, based on this one argument alone.