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NBC’s David Gregory slams Tony Blair over Islamic terrorism: Didn’t you and Bush make it worse?

Apr 27, 2014 5:45 pm By Robert Spencer

Blair responds: “It’s not coming from us. It’s coming from this ideology, and we aren’t going to defeat it until we liberate ourselves from the attitude that somehow we’re the cause of it.” Blair sounds as if he is finally getting realistic about the jihad threat — far too late to make a serious difference for Prostrate Britannia, but refreshing nonetheless in this age when the fog of disinformation is so very thick and politicians apparently have to meet a Cowardice Quotient before being allowed to assume office.

Anyway, the “attitude that somehow we’re the cause of it” is the prevailing ideology of the day, underlying billions of dollars and pounds worth of foreign policy — both aid programs and military hearts-and-minds initiatives. Virtually everyone in Washington up to and including Barack Obama holds to it. And no matter how often it is disconfirmed, they cling to it tenaciously. Blair is the first and only politician of note to have noticed that this particular emperor has been parading around naked for years.

“NBC’s David Gregory Slams Tony Blair Over Islamic Terrorism: Didn’t You And Bush Make It Worse?,” by Brendan Bordelon, Daily Caller, April 27, 2014:

NBC’s David Gregory pressed Tony Blair over the resurgence of Islamic fundamentalism worldwide, arguing that perhaps the former British prime minister’s support for the Iraq War bolstered Islamic terrorism — a charge Blair vehemently denied.

Blair appeared on NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday to advocate for a stronger Western response to the burgeoning threat of Islamic fundamentalism in places like Syria, Yemen, Iraq and North Africa.

But Gregory pushed back. ”Isn’t the legacy of your leadership, and that of President Bush, in part responsible for the reality today?” he asked, noting that many in both the United States and Britain believe interventions in places like Iraq emboldened and inspired Islamic radicals and took resources away from the fight against al-Qaida in Afghanistan.

“So we’ve got to liberate ourselves from this,” Blair responded forcefully, “because we’re making a huge error when we end up thinking somehow it’s our actions that have caused this.”

The former prime minister noted that due to the invasions, “brutal dictators” were removed from Iraq and Afghanistan, election took place and fundamentalist fighters were forced into hiding. By contrast, in places like Syria without Western involvement, they’re “still going and fighting jihad there.”

“So you can carry on explaining all this by saying, ‘It’s us, we provoked them, it’s really — they’re just trying to react against Western imperialism — it’s nonsense!” Blair fumed.

If it were the case, for example, that the reason why they were engaged in this terrorism in Iraq was because of the presence of American troops or British troops, you would expect when we get out, the terrorism would stop,” Blair noted.

“It doesn’t,” he explained. “And it doesn’t because it’s not coming from us. It’s coming from this ideology, and we aren’t going to defeat it until we liberate ourselves from the attitude that somehow we’re the cause of it.”

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  1. shrugger says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 5:53 pm

    No they didn’t make it worse. It was coming anyway.

    • Albert Daniel says

      Apr 27, 2014 at 6:07 pm

      You are right this is happening because of their belief that the world is to Islamic or dead and it makes them no difference. The only so called religion in the world that will kill you if you don’t convert. They can’t even get along with other muslims.

      • Doug says

        Apr 27, 2014 at 7:13 pm

        No… no… The religious part is only a small part of an all encompassing ideology – social and political. The problem is, it’s an ideology from the 5th century.

  2. richard Sherman says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    David Gregory is known for one disgusting remark to the President of the United States( President Bush) involving the phrase” sloppy seconds”. Because of that phrase, he will always be known as nothing more than a whore for the Democrat Party.

    • maxwelltaylor says

      Apr 28, 2014 at 12:44 pm

      I don’t remember that, ‘sloppy seconds’…what was that all about?

  3. Angemon says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    ““So you can carry on explaining all this by saying, ‘It’s us, we provoked them, it’s really — they’re just trying to react against Western imperialism — it’s nonsense!” Blair fumed.

    If it were the case, for example, that the reason why they were engaged in this terrorism in Iraq was because of the presence of American troops or British troops, you would expect when we get out, the terrorism would stop,” Blair noted.”

    Lol, right on the spot. This is almost word by word what i’ve told to my left-oriented friends who swear by the crackpot “fighting against oppression” theory. I still have doubts, but i’m getting inclined to think mr. Blair gave up on politics because his prospects of getting some sort of political position are getting inversely proportional to the size of his balls. Let’s see how this all plays out.

    Still doesn’t exonerate him from his blame for the current situation in the UK though.

  4. Salah says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    Many JW commenters disagree with me when I say that the majority of Muslims DO NOT WANT Sharia.

    3:55
    Blair: “They (Iran and al Qaeda) combined to destabize the wishes of the MAJORITY of the country.”

    Could he be more clear?

    • Guy Macher says

      Apr 27, 2014 at 6:45 pm

      Muslims who do not want Sharia are apostate! Or liars just aping their criminal psychopathic pervert prophet, Mohamed. And Blair is clueless even when he is right.

      • Salah says

        Apr 27, 2014 at 11:16 pm

        Indeed, some are apostates, unable to publicly reject Islam for fear of death. Others are playing taqiyya. Others are uneducated and sincerely believe that Islam is a religion of peace as they’ve been told by their liar imams.
        The free world has a moral obligation to protect the firsts, unmask the seconds and educate the thirds.

        • dlbrand says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 11:03 pm

          Indeed.

        • voegelinian says

          Apr 29, 2014 at 2:16 am

          Indeed, some are apostates, unable to publicly reject Islam for fear of death. Others are playing taqiyya. Others are uneducated and sincerely believe that Islam is a religion of peace as they’ve been told by their liar imams. The free world has a moral obligation to protect the firsts, unmask the seconds and educate the thirds.

          The free world has a moral obligation first to defend its own societies. Whether there exist those “firsts” you theorize about, and whether they exist in the numbers you claim, is not a matter of fact but of speculation or hypothesis.

          Given the dangers which the dangerous Muslims portend (WMDs) and given our difficulty if not inability to adequately distinguish the firsts from the seconds, we cannot afford to play Muslim Roulette.

      • Yaz says

        Apr 28, 2014 at 12:48 pm

        Kinda like saying I wanna be a Catholic, but I don’t wanna take advice from the pope, go to mass on Sunday, or do penance. If you don’t do any of those things, then you are NOT a Catholic.

        • dlbrand says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 11:00 pm

          Yup, indeed, ‘ nail on the head on both posts.

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      Apr 27, 2014 at 8:52 pm

      @Salah

      And yet in both Iraq and Afghanistan, these “majority of Muslims” put together governments that explicitly included “No law shall be enacted that conflicts with Islamic law” into the constitution of their countries!

      Does that answer your question?

      • Salah says

        Apr 27, 2014 at 11:18 pm

        They don’t have a choice. Fear and ignorance are the main problems of the islamic world.

  5. Kepha says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    I sadly shake my head at David Gregory and the whole shameless MSM crew. No, maybe I ought to extend my middle finger.

    I remember back in 1979 when the “Islamic fundamentalist” meme was invented by the major networks (who had a lot much more clout back then, when PC’s weren’t all that common). It was clearly as much a slam to those Evangelical Christians who were abandoning the Democratic Party of their grandparents in Jimmeh Cah-duh’s hour of need as it was a discovery that Third World spiritual leaders can be enemies.

    A decade later, I had a conversation with the Malaysian Consul in Guangzhou, who asked me poignantly, “Since fundamentalism is your enemy, am I now your enemy because I pray five times a day, abstain from alchohol, and hope to make the Haj before I die?” Maybe I heard the warning that the West and Islam were about to take up the cudgels where they left off in 1683; but maybe, since my interlocutor had earlier gone on record as hoping that the Cold War coalition would last in the post-Cold War world, saw Malaysia’s Cold War “neutrality” as lopsided towards the West, and had fond memories of his days as a grad student in the USA, I just wonder if our “smart party” in the USA didn’t contribute a bit to the decline in US relations with the Islamic world, too.

    This being said, I am perfectly aware of the violent, warlike foundations (or pillars) of Islamic theology. I’m glad Tony Blair said that we need to get off the meme that it’s all our fault, as if the rest of the world were merely clay in the hands of the wicked old West. But I also think that we could’ve done better in our government, media, and academic circles than run around like decapitated chickens over “fundamentalism” back in 1979 and the years following it. The Islamophobia of those days was very much “progressive”.

    And, in those years, after getting “kudos” cables from Washington on some reports I sent about Islamic unrest in China (I bought my bread from Uighurs back then), I read a think piece by some of the purportedly best brains at State saying there was no danger of “Islamic fundamentalism” in China because China’s Muslims were Sunnite rather than Shi’ite–as if elsewhere in the Dar ul-Islam we weren’t facing Sunnite extremists in Sudan, Turkish political movements, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s faction in Afghanistan, and whatnot! Exhibit B in the case that State deserves the epithet Foggy Bottom (Exhibit A being the chestnut that mystical monsoon Sufis are so much kinder and gentler than harder-edged Desert Muslims).

    In a way, I’m glad 9/11 happened when a Republican was President. Had Gore been in the White House, I suspect the Leftist MSM would’ve been all pumped up with patriotic can-do fervor, and probably would’ve called for all conservative Christians and Jews to be interned along with the Muslims.

    • Mazo says

      Apr 28, 2014 at 2:17 am

      I do not believe that your employers were unaware that the pro-western Indonesian dictatorship under Suharto was suppressing Islamists, the Islamist insurgency in Aceh for one, and the Komando Jihad movement were around that time. And Suharto’s Christian Generals like Moerdani and Syafei were openly supressinf political Islam, General Syafei even insulted Islam and the Quran and not just Islamists. General Moerdani made sure that religious Muslims were suppressed in the Indonesian military

      (These same Christian Generals Moerdani and Syafei were responsible war crimes in East Timor, it was Moerdani’s idea to invade. America and Australia gave Indonesia the green light to invade East Timor, accusing the East Timorese FRETILIN of being Communists, like America also gave Indonesia the greenlight to annex West Papua, and the OPM (Free Papua Movement) are also leftist Marxists)

      FRETILIN was also close to China, their secretary general, Mari Alkatiri, an Arab Muslim, was labeled as China’s man in FRETILIN because of his connections.

      Indonesia was responsible for massacres and war crimes against Communists and Islamists, all of the insurgencies against Indonesia were Marxist or Islamist, there was Darul Islam, the Islamist Acehnese GAM insurgency, Komando Jihad, Marxist FRETILIN, and Marxist Papuan OPM insurgents.

      There is no way America believed it could incur any good will from its support of
      Suharto.

      Secondly there was the Moro and Communist insurgencies in the Philippines against another pro-western Dictator, Marcos.

      Although Nur Misuari started out as a University Professor involved in Marxist politics before he founded the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF), the Moro Islamic Liberation Front split from the MNLF in 1978 and accused the MNLF of being Marxist-Maoist and un-Islamic, and they also fought in the insurgency against the Philippines, there is no way America could have slapped the Marxist label on them and claim they were leftists.

      Nur Misuari was a friend of Jose Maria Sison, the Marxist who founded the Communist New People’s Army (NPA) which is fighting an insurgency against the Philippines. Misuari and Sison were involved in the same Marxist group Kabataan Makabayan at the University of the Philippines.

      Libya under Gaddafi armed all of these Communist and Islamist insurgencies against Indonesia and the Philippines. Gaddafi supportted the MNLF, MILF, NPA, Acehnese GAM, Timorese FRETILIN, Papuan OPM, putting the Acehnese Islamist leader Hassan di Tiro in charge of supply and training for all these groups.

      American negative stereotypes of Islam do not date to 1979, they date back to the Moro war in the early 1900s when America violated the Bates Treaty with the Sulu Sultanate, annexing Moro land to the Philippines, leading to a decades long insurgency with the Moros fighting the Americans. Americans made references to the Moros suicide attacks, their practice of polygamy and other customs that America sidn’t like. America committed war crimes like Bud Dajo massacre against the Moros.

      • thomas_h says

        Apr 28, 2014 at 7:18 am

        @Mazo

        “American negative stereotypes of Islam do not date to 1979.”

        Of course not. They go some 170 years back earlier to the time of Barbary Wars, which as you surely recall, was American response to Mohammedans kidnapping and enslaving American, sailors, or freeing them for ransom.
        America had an option of either launching the campaign for winning the moslems hearts and minds, or kicking their ass. Fortunately, America chose the latter.

        But since we are at stereotypes; How about Indian negative stereotypes of Islam? Or Zoroastrian, Greek, Italian, Spanish, French, Ukrainian, Armenian, Polish, Russian, Copt, African, Thai, Burmese…When, and under which circumstances did they arise?

        • Mazo says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 12:01 pm

          Have you heard of these people called “Native Americans”? 170 years ago they used to be numerous in America. Speaking of which, slavery was also legal in America at that time.

        • thomas_h says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 6:09 pm

          Your comment is a straw man which has nothing to do with my question, but I will meet your strawman anyway:

          Slavery is still practiced in some mohammedan countries and only very recently officialy, but not practically, abolished in places like Saudi Arabia, or Yemen or Sudan

          The number of the Native Americans is much higher today than before the arrival of the Europeans. It wouldn’t be so if it were mohammedans who got to America instead the Europeans. The Native Americans did not have to become dhimmis like the peoples conquered by mohammedan invaders in order to survive. Would you rather live as a Copt in Egypt or an Navajo in the US?

          Now can I have an answer to the question presented in my previous comment? Please, no strawmen, or red herrings.

      • Bezelel says

        Apr 28, 2014 at 3:47 pm

        muslims consider themselves suppressed when they are not allowed to practice supremacy. Wah wah wah.

  6. Michael Copeland says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    Islam fits, like a glove, the UK government’s definition of “extremism”. In well over 100 verses the Koran, an unchangeable part of Islamic law, commands violence.
    The reality, for politicians and people, is that Islam itself instructs violent extremism. The problem is not ‘Islamism’; the problem is Islam.
    See Extremism – “There is a problem within Islam”
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6183-extremism-there-is-a-problem-within-islam

    • dlbrand says

      Apr 28, 2014 at 2:48 am

      “The problem is not ‘Islamism’; the problem is Islam.”

      Amen, MC, amen.

  7. Aitchmack says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    I’m quite shocked that a politician of Blairs standing has been so direct about this on record. I’d given up hope that anyone of any influence would recognise that Islam itself is the problem. Too little too late though.

    Sadly, Blair has been so discredited by our current UK government & press that this has received very little coverage over here.

    Appeasement of the terrorists continues.

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      Apr 27, 2014 at 9:31 pm

      I watched the video again and I did not hear Blair saying that Islam is the problem. He talked about an ‘ideology’ being at the root of the problem and he does not mean Islam!

      Don’t believe me? Ok, shoot him an email inquiring about the name of this ideology, and I can guarantee you that he will mention all kinds of names but ‘Islam’ proper!

  8. mortimer says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    By george, he’s got it! Finally, a major politician has got it and is saying it!

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      Apr 27, 2014 at 10:33 pm

      He said “Islamist ideology”; he didn’t say Islam! Both the MSM and world leaders differentiate between the two terms.

      Someone needs to ask him what he means by “Islamist ideology”. I will be very surprised if he says “it means Islam”!

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Apr 28, 2014 at 4:10 am

        Something that may amuse.

        Tony Blair corrected…corrected.

        Courtesy of the inimitable “Mary Jackson”, at New English Review.

        http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/52731

        Sunday, 27 April 2014
        “Correcting the corrections”.

        Please, everybody, click on the link.

        You won’t be disappointed.

    • JackSpratt says

      Apr 27, 2014 at 11:43 pm

      Tony and George W. and alot of smart people ‘got it’ from the getgo. That’s why they acted when they did.

  9. JackSpratt says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    ***

    Gregory is typical of the left’s myopia, which at least in part reflects their cowardice. They have been fast to throw Israel under the bus so they don’t have to confront Islam. They want to continue the left’s (klinton, gore, obongo) policy of terrorist appeasement, which Klinton followed for 8 years and led to the devastaing attack on 9/11/01. Had Gork been elected instead of Bush that policy of appeasement would have continued, notwithstanding that the 9/11 attack would have occurred, since we know al Qaeda began planning the attack 2 to 3 years earlier. bin Laden himself said in an interview they began planning the attack after Klinton retreated from Somalia. He said they knew then that the U.S. would not take casualties. We know empirically that appeasement always serves to embolden evil doers. The left likes to call the right, war mongers, but that is assinine as there is hardly anyone who wants war, however, appeasement and weakness is what truely causes wars.

  10. Notta_allah_followa says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    Too little too late, even if he was placing the blame on islime and its filthy pig prophet (bacon be upon him). The western media will continue to portray all the death and destruction at the hands of Mo-ham-head’s robotic death cultists as the work of ‘extremism’, as if islime is peaceful but only extreme islime is violent. The west is the proverbial frog in the slowly boiling pot and the more muzzies we import and pay to pump out more and more babies, the quicker will be our demise. Muzzies don’t demand much in America yet, but they do in Britain since their numbers are greater and the British ethos is more supine than our own, but 50 years from now, prepare for a much different world than we currently inhabit. Have a backup plan for your family, and think about an alternative to living here, because its only going to get worse. And all the droopy shorts and backward baseball cap wearing American “men” are too castrated and distracted by the media to even notice that the country that his great great great grandfather fought and died for is being stolen; the left chipping away quietly and in small increments on a daily basis.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 28, 2014 at 6:11 am

      Have you joined ACT for America?

      If not, why not?

      Are you contributing to the future campaign funding of people like Lieut Col (ret) Allen West?

      If not, why not?

      Your *local* cop, your *local* PTA and school principal, the people in the church down the road, and your *local* mayor and town or county council is where it’s at.

      And the local Veterans’ Association; those young men who’ve just limped home from Iraq and Afghanistan. They were never told what Islam was really all about, and it will help their recovery if they encounter people who can set them straight.

  11. ralph ellis says

    Apr 28, 2014 at 4:18 am

    Blair responds: “It’s coming from this ideology, and we aren’t going to defeat it until we liberate ourselves from the attitude that somehow we’re the cause of it.”
    ____________________________________

    Yeah, but Blair was the one who said he carried the Koran in his briefcase, and he assured us it was a ‘book of peace’. Why did he lie? Who was paying him to lie?

    And it was Blair who tried to create a blasphemy law in the UK, that would have made criticism of Islam impossible. And it was only the comedians of the UK who stopped this (because the cannot make any gags, if there is a blasphemy law). Why did Blair do this? Who was paying Blair to do this?

    (Incidentally, the week after this blasphemy and hate-speech proposal, a deputation of immams arrived at Westminster, looking for a dispensation for the Koran.

    Ralph

    • JackSpratt says

      Apr 28, 2014 at 2:26 pm

      I believe it was for the same reason that Jefferson and others told the muslims that the U.S. wasn’t a Christian nation (re: Barbary Pirates), it was false, but designed to placate them.

  12. ralph ellis says

    Apr 28, 2014 at 4:20 am

    Blair and Islam, please read this:

    Western Dhimmi politicians.
    http://www.westcoasttruth.com/western-dhimmi-politicians—the-black-heart-series-by-ralph-ellis.html

  13. elisheva14 says

    Apr 28, 2014 at 8:22 am

    I thought the creation of the State of Israel and the Jews caused the problems. Didn’t 9/11 came before the war in Iraq? Tony Blair has been weak in his support of Israel and now realizes finally that: “It’s coming from this ideology, and we aren’t going to defeat it until we liberate ourselves from the attitude that somehow we’re the cause of it.” Why not tell Israel that. Also why did Europe sign off with the Obama/Kerry scheme of trusting Iran? How about their lovely ideology of hate and violence????

    • JackSpratt says

      Apr 28, 2014 at 2:35 pm

      Much of the world has been stuck on suicide where radical islam is concerned. For most it’s a case of cowardice, and others, myopia. The cowards are the one’s who blame Israel for it all, as they know Israel is no danger to them, but quake in submission to islam. The cowards are not worthy of the oxygen they waste.

  14. Prinz Eugen says

    Apr 28, 2014 at 8:22 am

    Blair should have asked Gregory why he supports moslem terrorism! The media have joined khalifa Barry and our islamo-marxist regime in joining sides with the enemy. Once called “treason,”” but I am certain that the new language police will not allow use of that quaint (but accurate) term anymore.

  15. Bezelel says

    Apr 28, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    I have seen a map/dates of islamic wars/conflicts of notoriety spanning it’s conception. Very interesting and no it’s definitely not the fault of the people on the islamic conquest list. islam has left a trail destruction every where they have been. islam is a fecal stain on the history of humanity and they have no intention of changing.

  16. John Bettson says

    Apr 28, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Tony blair destroyed britain. He is the worst prim minister britain ever had. He opened the door to muslim mass imigration into the uk. Promted political correctness at every turn. He completely ignored the wishes of the british people. He is an absolute hypoctite. All the islamic problems in the uk stem from him….

  17. jim harris says

    Apr 28, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    Gregory is the reason NBC is one of the worst news organizations on television. He is a pathetic whining milksop. Obviously he knows nothing about islamic extremism. That’s like saying the Holocaust was caused by Ignacy Moscickl, and Winston Churchill.

  18. R. Craigen says

    Apr 29, 2014 at 11:06 am

    They edited Blair’s responses. You can see him cut off mid-sentence in several places:

    “It’s going to be defeated over a long period of time,” with an upswing of the voice indicating that he has yet to complete his point. Gregory’s next question is patched in unnaturally close to the comma — a clear splice.

    Just before “…we removed brutal dictatorships”. What did he say just before? Big jump in the tape there.

    To their credit they let him complete his excellent “it’s not coming from us” point. It’s rare to hear that in the MSM today, and kudos to Blair for making it so clearly.

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