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Oregon jihad training camp showed “how to properly slice someone’s throat”

Apr 20, 2014 3:02 pm By Robert Spencer

la-na-nn-abu-hamza-trial-20140417-001The people giving the demonstration were trained by the British-based imam Abu Hamza al-Masri. How did Abu Hamza, who as an imam had dedicated his life to understand and teaching Islam properly, come to misunderstand Islam so spectacularly as to think it had to do with slitting the throats of Infidels? Why do the learned analysts never ponder such questions?

“Witness recalls demo in ‘how to slit a throat’ as terror trial opens,” by Tina Susman for the Los Angeles Times, April 17:

NEW YORK — On a ranch in rural Oregon, a radical Muslim holding a dagger with a curved blade yanked back the head of a kneeling young man and brought the metal to his neck.

“He said he was going to show us how to properly slice someone’s throat,” the kneeling man’s sister testified Thursday as prosecutors began presenting their case against an Egyptian-born imam known as Abu Hamza Masri, the latest terrorism case to unfold in a New York federal court.

Masri, who also goes by Mustafa Kamel Mustafa, was not the man holding the knife, but a government indictment alleges that he sent the knife-wielding man from London to Oregon to establish a terrorist training camp.

It is one of 11 charges against Abu Hamza Masri, a naturalized British citizen who gained fame for his radical sermons in London’s Finsbury Park mosque and who was extradited to the United States in October 2012.

The defendant, who says he lost both arms fighting in Afghanistan, faces life in prison if convicted on the most serious charges of hostage-taking and conspiracy to take hostages, stemming from the December 1998 abduction of 16 tourists in Yemen.

Other charges include providing material support to terrorists and conspiring to support terrorists by sending men and money to set up the camp outside Bly, Ore., a remote hamlet about 300 miles southeast of Portland.

Masri, 55, pleaded not guilty, and in opening statements Thursday, defense attorney Joshua Lewis Dratel said Masri was being prosecuted not for his actions but for voicing controversial opinions.

“He wasn’t in Yemen, wasn’t in Oregon, never harmed Americans or anyone else,” Dratel said as Masri sat quietly, his short-sleeved tunic revealing arms cut off just below the elbows.

“He’s said a lot of harsh things … anti-U.S., anti-Israel, anti-West,” Dratel said. “These are views, not acts. This is expression, not crimes.”

The arguments are similar to those of the defense in the trial of Sulaiman abu Ghaith, a former Al Qaeda spokesman who stood trial in the same courthouse earlier this year on charges of conspiring to kill Americans and other terrorism charges.

Abu Ghaith’s lawyer argued that his client’s speeches were controversial and sometimes “dumb” but did not prove he knew of any terrorist plots. A jury convicted Abu Ghaith.

Unlike Abu Ghaith, whose case evolved from the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Masri is charged with actions that occurred in the late 1990s.

Dratel reminded jurors of this and warned them to not be swayed by the city’s elevated anxiety about terrorism since September 2001. He said that with the passage of time, opinions of what constituted radical or terrorist behavior changed.

“For decades, Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist,” Dratel said of the late South African president. “Now, he’s an icon.”

In his opening statement, assistant U.S. Atty. Edward Kim said Masri used his power and influence to dispatch men on deadly missions and gave them money and equipment to carry out those jobs.

“His cause was war, and it was all-consuming,” Kim said. “His goal was clear, it was simple, and it was vicious.”

The prosecution’s first witness was Angelica Morris, who was living in a trailer on the Bly ranch with her husband, daughter, son and younger brother in December 1999, when two mysterious men speaking with British accents arrived unannounced late one night.

Both men had long hair and long beards, both dressed in black, and both regularly patrolled the sprawling ranch with guns late at night during their roughly monthlong stay, said Morris. The pair often led other men on their night patrols across the ranch and had them fire pistols, shotguns and rifles down the dry creek bed running through the property, she said.

One day, Morris said the man known as Abu Abdullah took her and her brother, who was 18, outside to demonstrate throat-cutting techniques.

“He asked my brother if he would kill a kaffir,” Morris said, defining “kaffir” as a Muslim term for someone who rejects Islam. “I’ve killed sheep, so I don’t know why I couldn’t,” Morris recalled her brother replying.

A kaffir is actually any non-Muslims, not necessarily an apostate.

At that point, Morris said, Abu Abdullah had her brother kneel in front of him and made a slicing motion across her brother’s neck without cutting the skin.

Abu Abdullah eventually left the knife with Morris, who years later turned it over to the FBI. In court, Kim drew the knife out of an envelope and held it up for jurors.

In addition to weapons, Morris said the two men brought British currency. Both said the money was from Abu Hamza Masri, Morris testified. Abu Abdullah specifically told her that “Sheikh Abu Hamza had sent him there to train the brothers,” she said.

Morris, who has left Islam and now lives in Louisiana, described phone calls between Abu Abdullah and Masri which took place in her family’s cramped trailer. She said Abu Abdullah appeared frustrated that there were not more guns or “brothers” on the ranch and felt it was not a suitable training situation….

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  1. Salah says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    How to Behead (Islam online)

    Hold him
    Tie the arms behind his back
    And bandage his legs together
    Just by the ankles
    Blindfold the punk
    So that he won’t hesitate as much
    For on seeing the sharp pointy knife…

    Read it all here
    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html
    He’ll begin to shake

    • mortimer says

      Apr 21, 2014 at 6:21 am

      How to render the victim more vulnerable. So typical of Islam…everyone is rendered a vulnerable victim by these cowards so they may have their sadistic jollies.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 22, 2014 at 10:03 am

      Horrifying, Salah.

  2. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    How did Abu Hamza, who as an imam had dedicated his life to understand and teaching Islam properly, come to misunderstand Islam so spectacularly as to think it had to do with slitting the throats of Infidels?

    He probably paid attention as a grade schooler in the madrasas when they explained how the U.S. Marines got the nickname Leathernecks.

    • s.c. says

      Apr 20, 2014 at 5:04 pm

      so this again proves that there is no such an animal as a “peaceful mo-slum” even with both arms off this eman can incite others to kill, maim, and terrorize infidels.

  3. richard Sherman says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    Muhammad PERSONALLY DECAPITATED 900 UNARMED JEWS in 627. For 1400 years Muslims have been emulating the sociopath MUHAMMAD.

    • Jay Boo says

      Apr 20, 2014 at 8:15 pm

      “Muhammad PERSONALLY DECAPITATED 900 UNARMED JEWS in 627. For 1400 years Muslims have been emulating the sociopath MUHAMMAD”
      =========

      And do not forget he USED their wives as personal sex slaves which makes Muhammad the worst of the worst ADULTERERS.

      This is why Muslim women must wear a veil to this day as testimony to PROVE their honor (guilty until proven innocent) and are stoned to death for being accused of adultery all because the filthy PIG false prophet Muhammad needed an alibi to provide cover for his own multiple ADULTERIES by questioning the virtue of women in advance.

      • Jay Boo says

        Apr 20, 2014 at 8:18 pm

        OH rocks and trees tell the pig prophet where wives hide from his wonton adultery.

  4. nabi sange says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 5:53 pm

    Mouse-slim, the Barbarian.

  5. Wellington says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    “His cause was war and it was all-consuming” said the U.S. attorney, Edward Kim. Kim went on to state, “His goal was clear, it was simple, and it was vicious.”

    Ah, if only federal authorities en masse, beginning with the clueless President America has right now, understood that things like war and viciousness were hallmarks of Mo’s creed from the outset back there in the seventh century.

    And please, no one tell me that Obama is not clueless, that he knows exactly what he’s doing by way of exculpating Islam and introducing it more and more into America. Such an argument is irrelevant in the extreme. Here’s why: Whether someone with power in the West is naive or complicit about Islam, though for academic and betting reasons this may be important, the difference between these two options is of no account where actual harm to the West is concerned. In short, I’m not interested in theory here but the reality of things in our time.

    • Jay Boo says

      Apr 20, 2014 at 7:29 pm

      Whatever Benghazi Obama’s intentions are he has been able to sleaze through comments such as:
      “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”

      • Wellington says

        Apr 20, 2014 at 8:32 pm

        Agreed, Jay Boo. Whether Obama is complicit with, or ignorant of, Islam, the man is a fool either way. The quote you provided is evidence of his foolishness. As American President, he should be defending the First Amendment. Instead, he has defended a seventh-century, psychopathic fraud. Pathetic.

        • Jay Boo says

          Apr 20, 2014 at 9:24 pm

          Watch UKRAINE & CRIMEA
          This may seem a bit off-topic but I have noticed Al Jazeera sponsored NPR has really been jumping on the (Russia stop interfering in Ukraine) bandwagon.The Obama admin (and NPR) seems to be willfully ignorant of Russia’s battle with Islamists in its underbelly.

          Ten years ago was the massacre of school children in Beslan North Ossetia and then Russia invaded South Ossetia. That whole area is still a mess. Obama and his NPR talking parrots are up no good in Ukraine and should stop interfering with Russia’s self-defense.
          The Boston bombing victims have been the ones to pay the price.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 22, 2014 at 10:21 am

          Jay Boo—with all respect—I don’t believe that Russia is engaging in “self-defense” in the Ukraine.

          I recognize that Russia faces the same kind of threat from Islam as does the West, but that *does not* mean that all of Putin’s actions are hence somehow benign.

  6. Jay Boo says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    Islam’s unknowable Allah has nothing to offer but death.

    Muslims are taught that they must learn to love death, because that is all that the emptiness of Islam has to offer them.
    It is as if they are choosing to drink from the salted Dead Sea only to wonder why they can never quench their thirst.

    Their only alternative is to reject Islam and live.

  7. jewdog says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Now let’s not overreact: that may be an inner, spiritual, metaphorical act of throat-slitting only. Any other interpretation and CAIR may call to set you straight.

    • Bradamante says

      Apr 20, 2014 at 10:47 pm

      Thanks for the laugh. I needed it.

    • Defcon 4 says

      Apr 21, 2014 at 12:39 pm

      Yep, after all jihad is an inner struggle, spit.

  8. doreva says

    Apr 21, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    this is quite interesting, in looking at “hollywood” and the media in the west and how much they want to deny what is going on, for example, that new tv series “The Following” is actually about this very kind of thing, except, of course, the way it is written, the “bad guy” uses “christian” mythology/theology in his murder cult hidden away in the woods. How ironic when in reality there is an actual murder cult in the woods in Oregon that uses Islamic mythology/theology to show people how to kill, as they do in the series “the following”. but far be it from America’s politically correct script writers to actually write about what is actually going on, when they can vilify Christianity and “western civilization” as being the bad influence. another example, in the news, those KKK slopeheads who gunned down people at a Jewish centre in states, the media were almost gleeful, nay, relieved, that these dingbats PROVE that “Islam is a Religion of Peace” because, you see, some crazy ass KKK guys killed some people so that PROVES Christianity and THe West are the real culprits and violent jihadists are the VICTIMS of “The West”. Got it????

  9. gravenimage says

    Apr 22, 2014 at 11:28 am

    “He asked my brother if he would kill a kaffir,” Morris said, defining “kaffir” as a Muslim term for someone who rejects Islam. “I’ve killed sheep, so I don’t know why I couldn’t,” Morris recalled her brother replying.
    ………………………………..

    I’ve long understood the sanguinary blood-letting of Halal slaughter to be a training ground for throat-cutting. And we are enabling this. Madness…

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