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Reza Aslan: Idea of resurrection “absolutely has no basis in 5,000 years of Jewish history, scripture or thought”

Apr 23, 2014 4:58 pm By Robert Spencer

reza-aslan2011In today’s politically correct culture, marching in the establishment lockstep, not ability, is what gets you ahead. The mainstream media lionizes people not because of their particular acumen, talents or intelligence, but because they parrot the establishment line that the media wants the public to adopt: contempt for America, hatred for Israel, disdain for Christianity and the Judeo-Christian tradition, and endless justification for Islamic supremacists and jihadists.

A prime example of this is our old friend Reza Aslan, the arrogant, foul-mouthed media darling who keeps revealing his abysmal ignorance in interview after interview, making howling errors of fact and then, when caught out, dismissing them as “typos.” The latest “typo” from Aslan is his statement, in yet another of an endless series of fawning interviews by besotted Leftists (this time in Salon), that the idea of resurrection “simply doesn’t exist in Judaism. The idea of an individual dying and rising from the dead absolutely has no basis in five thousand years of Jewish history, scripture or thought. So, that’s the thing: No matter what you think about the resurrection, the thing that’s kind of fascinating from an historical perspective is that there is simply no Jewish context for it.”

Well, let’s see. The first thing that sprang to mind when I read this was the famous Dry Bones passage in Ezekiel, which begins: “The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley; it was full of bones. And he led me round among them; and behold, there were very many upon the valley; and lo, they were very dry. And he said to me, ‘Son of man, can these bones live?’ And I answered, ‘O Lord GOD, thou knowest.’ Again he said to me, ‘Prophesy to these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the LORD.'” (Ezekiel 37:1-6) For individual resurrection, there is the passage that has always loomed large in Christian exegesis: “For thou dost not give me up to Sheol, or let thy godly one see the Pit.” (Psalm 16:10)

There are many other passages (here are two, courtesy of Jihad Watch reader “Rod Serling”): “Thy dead shall live, their bodies shall rise. O dwellers in the dust, awake and sing for joy! For thy dew is a dew of light, and on the land of the shades thou wilt let it fall.” (Isaiah 26:19) “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” (Daniel 12:2)

This is by no means Aslan’s first “typo.” In another interview, he referred to “the reincarnation, which Christianity talks about” — and later claimed that one was a “typo.” In yet another howler he later insisted was a “typo,” he claimed that the Biblical story of Noah was barely four verses long — which he then corrected to forty, but that was wrong again, as it is 89 verses long. Interviewed at the BBC about Obama’s meeting with Pope Francis, Aslan claimed that the “founding philosophy of the Jesuits” was “the preferential option for the poor.” In reality, the Jesuits were founded in 1534. According to the California Catholic Conference, “the popular term ‘preferential option for the poor’ is relatively new. Its first use in a Church document is in 1968 from a meeting of the Conference of Latin American Bishops held in Medellin, Columbia.” So Aslan was only 434 years off — recalling when he called Turkey the second most populous Muslim country, which was only about 100 million people off.

Reza Aslan is such an intellectually formidable scholar that he writes “than” for “then”; apparently thinks the Latin word “et” is an abbreviation; and writes “clown’s” for “clowns.” Aslan is less a “religious scholar” than he is a marginally literate, unevenly educated charlatan with a talent for telling the mainstream media what it wants to hear. His big secret is that he is really not all that bright, and is in way over his head, asked to comment all the time on matters that are way beyond his competence — and he knows it, which is why he lashes out so ferociously against anyone who dares to challenge him.

This matters because this clown is given such adoring treatment in the mainstream media as he propagates these falsehoods, and because his agenda is insidious: he is a Board member of a lobbying group for the bloodthirsty and genocidally antisemitic Iranian regime. Aslan tried to pass off Iran’s genocidally-minded former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a liberal reformer and has called on the U.S. Government to negotiate with Ahmadinejad himself, as well as with the jihad terror group Hamas. Aslan has even praised the jihad terror group Hizballah as “the most dynamic political and social organization in Lebanon,” and has also praised the anti-Semitic, misogynist, Islamic supremacist Muslim Brotherhood, which is dedicated in its own words, according to a captured internal document, to “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.” Aslan wrote: “The Muslim Brotherhood will have a significant role to play in post-Mubarak Egypt. And that is good thing.” Millions of Egyptians obviously disagree. He has also applauded and called for the forcible shutdown of the free speech of those who hates — a quintessentially fascist impulse.

“‘You want people like that to hate you’: Reza Aslan on Glenn Beck, that Fox News interview, and who gets to speak for Jesus,” by Michael Schulson, Salon, April 20:

…As you note in the book, much about this portrait is pretty typical: There were a lot of messianic preachers wandering around first-century Palestine, Jesus among them. You argue that it’s the story of resurrection that really set Jesus apart. What made resurrection such a novel idea?

Well, it simply doesn’t exist in Judaism. The idea of an individual dying and rising from the dead absolutely has no basis in five thousand years of Jewish history, scripture or thought.

So, that’s the thing: No matter what you think about the resurrection, the thing that’s kind of fascinating from an historical perspective is that there is simply no Jewish context for it. The resurrection was one the earliest credo statements in this new movement. They wholeheartedly believed that Jesus rose from the dead very, very early on, and to be perfectly honest, historians who will admit as much don’t know what to do with that statement.

We can’t just ignore it. In other words, we can’t just simply say, “Oh, it was just some mass delusion,” or “It was all just some big scam.” I don’t think those answers are sufficient in explaining the experience [of believing in the resurrection] and how that experience transformed this, as I say, small ethno-nationalistic movement into the largest religion in the world….

I feel like you’ve given us a Jesus for the era of income inequality and Occupy Wall Street.

I think that’s a good way of putting it.

So should Congress raise the minimum wage to celebrate Easter?

I think that would a perfect way of celebrating what Jesus actually stood for. This is a man who was not about income equality; this is a man who was about the reversal of the social order….

On your Twitter feed, the background picture is of Glenn Beck looking distressed. I have to ask: Do you enjoy being the bane of these right-wing media personalities?

Am I allowed to say yes? I mean, look, when someone like Glenn Beck puts you on his chalkboard of crazy, I think it’s a moment to be proud of. When designated hate-group leaders like Robert Spencer or Pamela Geller spend all of their days Googling you and writing articles about things you’ve said or written, I think you should be proud of that, because these guys are clowns. They are racist, bigoted individuals, and you want people like that to hate you.

So, listen, I’m guilty of baiting these guys sometimes; it’s not a professional thing to do, I’m not proud of it, to be honest with you. At the same time, there is something to be proud of when Glenn Beck and Pamela Gellar [sic] and Robert Spencer and magazines like First Things hate you.

Thanks for the shout-out, Reza. Good to know we are on your mind, and that despite your shilling for Islamic supremacism and the Iranian mullahs you have enough of a conscience left to know that accusing us of murder and sending me vile adolescent emails full of gay slurs is “not a professional thing to do.” But I am afraid you flatter yourself: I have never Googled your name even once. People send me your nonsense on a more or less regular basis; it’s low-hanging fruit.

Anyway, he says Pamela Geller and I are “designated hate-group leaders,” without mentioning that the designator is the far-Left cash machine known as the Southern Poverty Law Center, which smears numerous conservative groups with this label, and has never seen an Islamic supremacist group it didn’t like. He adds that we are “racist, bigoted individuals”; what race is the jihad mass murder of innocent civilians again? I keep forgetting.

Meanwhile, so fawning is this interview that I am surprised that Michael Schulson didn’t start kissing Aslan’s feet, or perhaps anointing them with oil and drying them with his hair, before it was over. He even likens Aslan to the four Gospel writers: “Aslan may be the world’s most famous living biographer of Jesus (the most famous dead biographers, of course, go by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John).” “The world’s most famous living biographer of Jesus” is Reza Aslan? Yet another illustration of the utter intellectual poverty of our age.

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  1. john spielman says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    oops sorry; I meant to say : I guess that Reza ‘”genius boy” Aslan has’t bothered to read the OLD TESTAMENT history in the Bible where both the prophets Elijah and Elisha RAISED people FROM THE DEAD!( 1Kings 17, and 2Kings 4)

    • john spielman says

      Apr 23, 2014 at 5:13 pm

      PS; Reza still needs his mouth washed out with soap for his filthy swearing

  2. Champ ✞ says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    The latest “typo” from Aslan is his statement, in yet another of an endless series of fawning interviews by besotted Leftists (this time in Salon), that the idea of resurrection “simply doesn’t exist in Judaism. The idea of an individual dying and rising from the dead absolutely has no basis in five thousand years of Jewish history, scripture or thought. So, that’s the thing: No matter what you think about the resurrection, the thing that’s kind of fascinating from an historical perspective is that there is simply no Jewish context for it.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Nonsense, Reza …

    Question: “Where do the Hebrew Scriptures prophesy the death and resurrection of the Messiah?”

    Answer: Throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, the promise of a Messiah is clearly given. These messianic prophecies were made hundreds, sometimes thousands of years before Jesus Christ was born, and clearly Jesus Christ is the only person who has ever walked this earth to fulfill them. In fact, from Genesis to Malachi, there are over 300 specific prophecies detailing the coming of this Anointed One. In addition to prophecies detailing His virgin birth, His birth in Bethlehem, His birth from the tribe of Judah, His lineage from King David, His sinless life, and His atoning work for the sins of His people,the death and resurrection of the Jewish Messiah was, likewise, well documented in the Hebrew prophetic Scriptures long before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ occurred in history.

    More here:
    http://www.gotquestions.org/death-resurrection-Messiah.html

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And this website is equally informative …

    “7 Proofs of the Resurrection * Evidence the Resurrection of Jesus Christ Happened”

    http://christianity.about.com/od/easter/a/7-Proofs-Of-The-Resurrection.htm

    #1: The Empty Tomb of Jesus

    #2: The Holy Women Eyewitnesses

    #3: Jesus’ Apostles’ New-Found Courage

    #4: Changed Lives of James and Others

    #5: Large Crowd of Eyewitnesses

    #6: Conversion of Paul

    #7: They Died for Jesus

    • Salah says

      Apr 23, 2014 at 5:20 pm

      One more proof:
      34 thousand billion watts of VUV radiations to make an image!

      http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/04/he-is-risen-il-est-ressuscite.html

      • Will Doohan says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 2:14 am

        34 trillion watts of Ultraviolet radiation would set cloth on fire, not leave an image.

        And the Shroud of Turin has been radio-carbon dated to the 13th century. It’s a hoax Salah.

        From the wikipedia article –
        After years of discussion, the Holy See permitted radiocarbon dating on portions of a swatch taken from a corner of the shroud. Independent tests in 1988 at the University of Oxford, the University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology concluded with 95% confidence that the shroud material dated to 1260–1390 AD. This 13th to 14th century dating is much too recent for the shroud to have been associated with Jesus of Nazareth. The dating does on the other hand match the first appearance of the shroud in church history.

        Also – In 1979, Walter McCrone, upon analyzing the samples he was given by STURP, concluded that the image is actually made up of billions of submicrometre pigment particles.

        • bill says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 5:27 am

          In any case the ‘image’ on the ‘shroud’ cannot be real, as when people covered a body in past times it is not like you see in CSI where the sheet is laid lengthwise. It would be wound around the body to keep off insects. In a hot country flies would be on a body in a very short time especially one with wounds.
          Also when you see the covering in a morgue the sheet is peaking on the nose and on the toes, so one would not get the detailed image seen on the ‘shroud’
          In the Middle Ages the church and private enterprise was making
          a lot of money from selling relics. Eg. nails from the cross, bits of wood from the cross etc. even Jesus’ blood! The number of bits of the ‘true cross’ added together would have made hundreds of crosses. People were very gullible then as they very often are now.
          Anyway I thought this was a site combating radical Islam and jihad, what somebody says on TV about Christianity is not relevant. You should remember that if Islam is not beyond criticism neither is Christianity or any religion.

        • Will Doohan says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 2:26 am

          @ Bill – I don’t remember the exact wording but ala Monty Python —
          King Arthur – “We are on a divine mission to seek the Holy Grail”
          French Normans – “We’ve already got one”

    • mortimer says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 10:03 am

      The Jewish burial practices are proof of the belief in resurrection of the body.

  3. Kepha says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    If Reza Aslan admitted that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, I’d strongly advise some Christian congregation to be ready for a candidate for baptism. The death and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah is the heart of the Gospel, after all.

    You say “Aslan is less a “religious scholar” than he is a marginally literate, unevenly educated charlatan with a talent for telling the mainstream media what it wants to hear. His big secret is that he is really not all that bright, and is in way over his head, asked to comment all the time on matters that are way beyond his competence…”

    sounds like a typical MSM journalist.

    • richard Sherman says

      Apr 23, 2014 at 5:52 pm

      Keep in mind that the Koran and therefore every Muslim DENIES that Christ was crucified.

      • Wellington says

        Apr 23, 2014 at 6:59 pm

        Very salient point, rs. I think you point goes to the heart of why no sensible, knowledgeable Christian should respect Islam because this faith specifically, clearly, denies a basic tenet, a basic fact, arguably the most important tenet and fact, of Christianity, to wit, that Jesus died on the cross.

        Other faiths don’t deny the crucifixion of Jesus, though they may interpret such crucifixion differently from Christians. Islam actively denounces such a crucifixion. And so why should any Christian respect Islam? The reason why I have never been able to understand.

        • voegelinian says

          Apr 23, 2014 at 7:23 pm

          Other faiths don’t deny the crucifixion of Christ because other faiths keep their nose out of the business of faiths other than theirs.

          Islam, however, is specifically and clearly and directly intended to be a takeover of Judaeo-Christianity through, in part, the theologically supremacist claim that Islam is the true “uncorrupted” form of Judaeo-Christianity, and that Jews and Christians have garbled and “corrupted” their own religions.

          This is theological supremacism; theological latrociny; theological plagiarism; attempted theological conquest. (And the only reason this is a problem on the level of a mortal existential threat to us is because for Islam, theology is fused with politics, laws and warfare.)

        • richard Sherman says

          Apr 23, 2014 at 7:32 pm

          Two points: 1. I would go further and say that without the crucifixion, there is no Christianity. Therefore the KORANIC denial of the crucifixion is a denial of Christianity..2. Judaism makes NO COMMENT about Christ or his crucifixion. If it is not mentioned in the Old Testament ( or in a Jewish book interpreting the Old Testament), it is not part of Judaism.

        • mortimer says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 10:14 am

          Further to denying the crucifixion, Allah intentionally tricked Christians to believe in the crucifixion! Because of this, Allah led the Christians to create the New Testament and the Christian faith. Allah now holds Christians guilty for allowing themselves to be misled by him…thus BLAMING the victims of Allah’s hoax.

          It seems to me the denial of the crucifixion is Mohammed’s ‘Freudian slip’ exposing his guilty conscience for hoaxing the Arabs. Allah several times boasts in the Koran that he is a deceiver and misleads people. How do Muslims know Allah is not having merry sport misleading all Muslims?

    • Kasey says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 8:11 am

      To believe in a resurrection means believing in supernatural intervention……all based on one’s indoctrination, not on verifiable facts but hear-say. It’s shakey ground for a foundation of a religion, which like all or them depend on indoctrination for survival, but not reason or logic.

      • Geordie says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 11:17 am

        <>

        Very well said. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Sadly lacking for every religion invented by mankind.

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 11:03 pm

          Gee, who would have thought that this informative website would serve as a dating service for anti-religious bigots

        • Geordie says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 9:35 am

          Western Canadian wrote: Gee, who would have thought that this informative website would serve as a dating service for anti-religious bigots

          And: Nor do degrees in anti-religious bigotry.

          And: The most violent faiths are islam and atheism. islam – 270 million, over 14 centuries. Atheism – 100 million plus in just over a single century. Yes, bigots do love shedding blood.

          Which entitles me to add. Next time you are on your knees begging favours from your imaginary friend. You can pucker up and kiss my arse!

  4. jihad3tracker says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    Hello Reza !!! Dude — you know you are reading this — so howzitgoin’ ??

    You must have been wearing that dog collar The Wife makes you put on… Feeling a bit pissy, having a hissy fit ?? Too tight a fit ? Crawling on all fours does scratch the knees, I suppose.

    Try to comprehend this basic human behavior fact : she intensifies the p*ssy whippings out of sheer frustration, not being able to continue her high-maintenance bling purchases — because you aren’t smart enough climb Academia’s ladder, remaining instead a flunky “creative writing” instructor.

    Don’t let Robert Spencer’s success and respect as a genuine scholar bother you. Forget it. Also try to ignore the time you started a Reddit AskMeAnything episode but then ran screaming to your teddy bear when Spencer appeared.

    Hey — I feel for your self-inflicted embarrassment. Call up dimestore thug Nathan Lean — the two legged sea urchin — and he can make you feel better. But make sure HE HIMSELF IS NOT DEPRESSED …

    That wasted life that he leads, taking out Esposito’s empty pizza boxes — avoiding the fact that he, too, is not respected by anyone worth a nickel — such sadness gets to his dim mind.

    All the best, as always,
    Me

  5. Gary in Erko says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    5,000 years of Jewish history means that he considers Abraham to be Jewish, not Christian or Muslim. That’s news.

  6. Angemon says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    “ So, that’s the thing: No matter what you think about the resurrection, the thing that’s kind of fascinating from an historical perspective is that there is simply no Jewish context for it.””

    Is he confusing resurrection and reincarnation again? Poor guy, why isn’t he taking his meds (i mean real meds, not camel urine and mik)?

    • wildjew says

      Apr 23, 2014 at 6:40 pm

      Unlike Christianity certain streams of Jewish mysticism do entertain reincarnation.

  7. RodSerling says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    Here’s a link to Isaiah 26:19, with loads of cross references and other examples showing the concept of resurrection, including in the OT.
    http://biblehub.com/isaiah/26-19.htm

    Three literal examples here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection

    “The prophet Elijah prays and God raises a young boy from death (1 Kings 17:17-24)
    Elisha raises the son of the Shunammite woman (2 Kings 4:32-37); this was the very same child whose birth he previously foretold (2 Kings 4:8-16)
    A dead man’s body that was thrown into the dead Elisha’s tomb is resurrected when the body touches Elisha’s bones (2 Kings 13:21)”

  8. Michael Copeland says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    Azlan says, “we can’t just simply say, “Oh, it was just some mass delusion,””.
    Koran 4:157 says, “they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them;”
    That sounds pretty much like some mass delusion.
    Don’t go denying the Koran, now: that carries the death penalty.

  9. shrugger says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    Yeah…he hasn’t actually read the Bible. Truth be told, I’ve read very little of it myself. The difference between Reza and I is that I don’t go around obnoxiously proclaiming “Typo’s” about it to everyone.

  10. nacazo says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    Wow! what an idiot. There was a raging controversy on resurrection among Jewish intellectual circles during the time of Jesus. The Pharisees believed in resurrection and the Sadducees did not. Hardly “no Jewish context for it (resurrection)” as Aslan claims.

    See for example Mark 12:18

    “18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; “

  11. wildjew says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    Sorry, I am in a bit of a rush and have not read the entire piece.

    “Thy dead shall live, my dead bodies shall arise, awake and sing, ye that dwell in the dust, for thy dew is as the dew of light, and the earth shall bring to life the shades” (Isaiah 26:19)

    “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproaches and everlasting abhorrence” (Daniel 12:2)

    Maimonides: The 13 Principles and the Resurrection of the Dead

  12. nacazo says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    But let’s give Aslan the benefit of the doubt, this is a typo. Where Aslan says:

    “…there is simply no Jewish context for it. ”

    the reported placed a typo. It should read:

    “…there is simply A LOT OF Jewish context for it.”

    /sarc off

  13. nacazo says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    CORRECTION:

    But let’s give Aslan the benefit of the doubt, this is a typo. Where Aslan says:

    “…there is simply no Jewish context for it. ”

    the reporter*** placed a typo. It should read:

    “…there is simply A LOT OF Jewish context for it.”

    /sarc off

  14. nacazo says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    There is another typo. Where it says:

    “Well, it simply doesn’t exist in Judaism. ”

    The reporter misheard Aslan when he said:

    “Well, it simply IS VERY PREVALENT in Judaism.

    /sarc off

    • defcon 5 says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 12:50 am

      Hilarious. Does Aslan even have a doctorate?

      • john spielman says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 9:56 am

        Aslan’s doctorate is probably in” Islamic studies”(an obvious oxymoron) but it could have been in deceiving and lying as he seems very expert in those fields.

      • Geordie says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 11:21 am

        I don’t think PhD’s in needlework, religious magic and theology count!

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 11:12 pm

          Nor do degrees in anti-religious bigotry.

  15. sidney penny says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    Keep up the good work Robert.

    Thanks for keeping the swear words out.

    ” arrogant, foul-mouthed media darling” is not too bad.

    You do not want to lower you self to Reza Aslan level.

    As you say his nonsense is easily available ” it’s low-hanging fruit.”

    People who cannot argue with you prefer labels.Reza Aslan is one of them.

  16. Twostellas says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Oh boy, his head is gonna grow two sizes more now.

    I’m awaiting the day he has an on-air tantrum and stuns his fawning interviewer and audience, because you know it’s gonna happen one day. It’s inevitable. And the funniest thing is it will probably be a misunderstanding on his part.

  17. Jeff says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    Reza, LOL.

  18. RCCA says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    Jews are taught that when the Messiah comes those who are righteous, humble, have studied Torah, have done good deeds, etc., will be resurrected in the land of Israel. In fact it’s one of the key arguments against Jesus being the Messiah because obviously this mass resurrection has not occurred. (No offense to Christians here.)

    Here are a couple of extensive discussions by religious scholars, demonstrating that this idea of resurrection has been examined for centuries within Judaism:

    http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/1893640/jewish/Resurrection-of-the-Dead.htm
    http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/1749367/jewish/Resurrection-Body-20.htm

    • mortimer says

      Apr 23, 2014 at 11:05 pm

      At the moment of Jesus’ death, an earthquake shook Jerusalem… – ” 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the (Jewish) saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.” – Matthew 27:52-53
      – English Standard Version (ESV)
      (No offense)

      • RCCA says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 3:56 pm

        PS – If the world as we know it had ended at the time of Jesus just think how few people would have qualified for resurrection. How many people actually believed in God, in righteousness, etc.? Most of the world were idol worshippers and completely immoral/amoral.

  19. mortimer says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    Since Reza Aslan is wrong and INACCURATE about so many things, how can anyone take one of his statements seriously? Aslan teaches ‘creative writing’… another way of saying ‘fiction’. Should that not be a warning?

    His book ‘Zealot’ is case in point. How could Jesus be a ‘zealot’ if he never once mentioned forming an army? Obviously, Jesus was not a zealot, so Aslan developed a thesis entirely without evidence.

    Why would journalists quote someone like Reza uncritically, since he has such a problem getting facts straight or he dispenses with facts entirely? Aren’t journalists supposed to be accurate?

  20. citycat says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 1:27 am

    Attempts at sense are futile.
    They are conditioned to ignore the truth until the time to totally take over manifests

  21. Haecceitas says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 3:50 am

    Perhaps I’m giving Reza too much of a benefit of doubt but it seems that he might be simply talking about the rather common scholarly view that 2nd temple Judaism did not expect the Messiah to die and rise from the dead, and that the Jewish view of the resurrection (just as the Christian view of the future general resurrection) did not involve a single individual rising from the dead in the middle of history. Perhaps these views can be challenged but they are not unusual views to be held even by legitimate scholars (which might not be a category to which I’m willing to place Reza Aslan, despite the fact that I kind of defended him here).

  22. Geordie says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 4:45 am

    Even I know that according to the cherished mythologies, the dead were popping out of the ground like zombies in a George Romero classic.

  23. Theo Prinse says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 6:29 am

    At the age of 15 Reza Aslan converted to evangelical Christianity. He converted back to Islam the summer before attending Harvard

  24. El Cid says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 8:19 am

    Regardless of what you believe about Jesus, the material points are:

    1) He is a publicity seeking charlatan, a fraud, and a slanderer; not a scholar
    2) He knows very little and expresses a lot of opinions
    3) He freely insults Christians with his blasphemy without sensitivity or intelligence.

    Robert is calling out the extraordinary double-standard here. The fact that Aslan’s book was on the NYtimes best selling list is disturbing since people think it is a work of history, where it is a work of second-rate fiction.

    It may be that Aslan is tapping into a need by former Christians to feel exonerated for abandoning their parents religion. There is a market for many things, but his slanders against others make him a pariah. There is no place for that.

    • thomas_h says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 8:49 am

      “It may be that Aslan is tapping into a need by former Christians to feel exonerated for abandoning their parents religion.”

      Absolutely. I’ve thought about that many times – also in connection with other than Aslan charlatans.

  25. jewdog says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 9:11 am

    Maimonides was criticized harshly by other Jewish scholars for his tendency to de-emphasize resurrection. He responded that he found some of the silly questions people had concerning frivolous details, such as what clothing one would wear when they were resurrected was one reason he didn’t like the topic.
    The basic Jewish prayers refer to Hashem’s ability to raise the dead.
    I’ve seen a lot of media references to this Reza Aslan guy in news reports and I can’t understand it. I guess water seeks its own level.

  26. awake says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Example # 4, 716 of why I don’t take any “scholarly” lectures on Christianity from Muslims, especially one as daft yet insipid as Reza Aslan.

    That said, Aslan is imply doing the bidding of his satanic prophet. I’m convinced that most Muslims don’t even believe in Allah. For such a vengeful deity that is apparently affronted from every angle, all the time, by all things and persons non-Islamic, he is quite ineffectual and weak to require his denizens to constantly sate his apparently insatiable bloodlust.

  27. somehistory says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Job: 14:14 asks, “If a man dies, can he live again”?
    Jonah 2:2 tells us that when he was in the whale and thinking his life was over, calling it Sheol, he prayed and said, “Out of the belly of Sheol, I cried.” Even if people do not believe this is a true account of a man and his attempt to flee his responsibility, it still proves the belief in a resurrection from “Sheol.”

    John 11: 23: Jesus said to Martha, “Your brother will rise.”
    24: Martha said to him, “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”
    25Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life, and…”

    The Book of Job is part of the Bible. Jonah was of the nation of Jews. Martha and Jesus were both Jewish. Clearly, these Scriptures and the many others quoted and cited by others are more than enough proof that the nation of Israel was a nation that believed, taught, spoke, wrote about, and put faith in the resurrection.

  28. Nabuquduriuzhur says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Daniel was given the promise of resurrection in Daniel 12: “13 But as for you, go your way to the [n]end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the [o]age.””

  29. Faye says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Aslan is FAKE and a total Punk! He claims he has a doctorate in theology- not true and he claims he was a Christian= TOTALLY UNTRUE!

  30. Buraq says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    List of the dead raised in The Bible:

    Widow of Zarephath’s son (I Kings 17:17-24)

    Shunamite’s son (II Kings 4:20-37)

    (II Kings 13:21) Raised by God’s Spirit

    Widow of Nain’s son (Luke 7:11-16) Raised by Jesus

    Synagogue ruler Jairus’ 12-year-old daughter (Mark 5:35-43) raised by Jesus

    Lazarus (John 11:1-44) raised by Jesus

    Tabitha, also known as Dorcas (Acts 9:36-41) raised by Peter

    Eutychus (Acts 20:7-12) raised by Paul

    Men raised upon Jesus’ death (Matthew 27:51-53) raised by God

    Reza’s a clown! A wire-wigged, baggy-trousered, red-nosed clown!

  31. defcon 5 says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    R. Aslan is seeking to discredit Christianity as a religion. Funny how the enemedia doesn’t mind that, but if someone dare criticise the RoP, well then all hell breaks loose.

    • richard Sherman says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 9:30 pm

      Islam does more than discredit Christianity. It denies Christianity itself because it denies the crucifixion. REZA the Village Idiot cannot trump that.

  32. Mirren10 says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    How utterly *childish*.

    No true academic says they want their opponents to ‘hate them’.

    Rather, a true academic, ( like Mr Spencer) says, I challenge you to prove me wrong, give me facts, and if your facts prove me wrong,, then I will concede the validity og your case.

    Rexa Aslan is corrupt pos. But in what passes for academia these days, he is a ‘academic’. Faugh.

  33. Mirren10 says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    Whoops ! All these typos. Because I’m using a tablet with a tiny keypad. Sorry.

  34. Mark Jacobs says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    For the last 2000 years or so the standard Jewish prayer the “Amidah” (Standing Prayer or Eighteen Benedictions) said three times daily praises God who “Gives life to the dead.” (M’chihay hametim). Enough said.

  35. Mark Jacobs says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    For the last 2000 years the main daily Jewish prayer called the Amidah, said three times daily by observant Jews, praises god for “bringing life to the dead”‘ or in transliterated Hebrew, “m’chiyay hametim”. An obvious and very present daily reference to resurrection, this so disturbed our Reform brethren, who considered it superstitious, that they eliminated it in the 19th century.

    • Geordie says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 8:28 pm

      So, despite all those daily requests there has not been a single verifiable resurrection outside of a George A. Romero zombie movie. Religious faith is a very strange self sustaining delusion, with it’s roots in the fears of the distant past.

      • Western Canadian says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 11:18 pm

        The most violent faiths are islam and atheism. islam – 270 million, over 14 centuries. Atheism – 100 million plus in just over a single century. Yes, bigots do love shedding blood.

        • George Angus Parker says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 9:22 am

          “The most violent faiths are islam and atheism. islam – 270 million, over 14 centuries. Atheism – 100 million plus in just over a single century. Yes, bigots do love shedding blood.”

          Your delusions and bigotry seem limitless. 100 million in a century, complete and utter bullshit.
          The good Roman Catholic boy Hitler killed roughly 40 million in a decade! Claiming he was only doing Gods work. But that pales into insignificance compared to the death toll from all religionists in history.

          Still you do recognise that islam is the worst. If a half brain buffoon like you can come to the obvious conclusion, it bodes well for the rest.

        • thomas_h says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm

          Hitler was as Catholic as Lenin and Stalin were Christian Orthodox, Mao Confucian and PolPot Buddhist.
          The “Black Book of Communism” recognized by the mainstream of historians (except the commies of course) as most reliable and superbly documented research brings the number of victims of that pack of monsters to be actually over 100 million.

        • Geordie says

          Apr 26, 2014 at 4:30 am

          Your ignorance and bigotry know no bounds. I would not be surprised if you are a racist, homophobic anti-Semite too! Someone who would see everyone with different beliefs gassed.

          On Hitler’s religious motivations 101:
          His own words. -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
          “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

          From Mein Kampf. – Volume 1, Chapter 2, Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna
          “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

          Absolutely no room for misinterpretation. If you wish to counter. I advise supporting it with actual reference to his own words and writings. Anything less would be hearsay and wishful thinking.

          The point here for other readers not Thomas H, is that even the Christian religion is capable of motivating large groups of followers to do terrible things. The fact that Hitler was clearly motivated by the culture of religious anti-Semitism prevalent at the time, should never be forgotten. It is exactly the same prejudice we see from muslims against Jews and infidels today. It is not unique.

        • thomas_h says

          Apr 26, 2014 at 10:18 am

          “Your ignorance and bigotry know no bounds. I would not be surprised if you are a racist, homophobic anti-Semite too! Someone who would see everyone with different beliefs gassed.”

          Howling, hysterical ranting delivered by an ideologically inspired idiot.

          A striking case of the highly volatile mixture of congenital stupidity, mental illness, hate and crudest vulgarity exploding in a firework of intellectual manure triggered by the detonator of ideology.

          If you only knew how revealing about your mental fascisoid makeup is your insane ranting…Luckily, you massive stupidity protects you from that shock.

          As “flakmusic” observed on one of the previous threads:

          “I … had to conclude you are an intellectual amoeba. … you are also an obnoxious punk. You are clearly delusional believing that the latter can conceal the former.”

          Perfect!

        • Geordie says

          Apr 26, 2014 at 2:39 pm

          Your comments say everything there is to know about you.

          I say again. “Absolutely no room for misinterpretation. If you wish to counter. I advise supporting it with actual reference to his own words and writings. Anything less would be hearsay and wishful thinking.”

          Or in your case the foul verbiage of a defeated delusional bigot. Either grow some balls and try to validate your claims or just shut up and crawl back under your rock.

        • thomas_h says

          Apr 26, 2014 at 6:20 pm

          @geordie

          ”Your ignorance and bigotry know no bounds. I would not be surprised if you are a racist, homophobic anti-Semite too! Someone who would see everyone with different beliefs gassed.””

          That was your reaction to my matter of fact, calm remarking that Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were not Christian, Confucian or Buddhist and that this pack of socialist/communist vampires have murdered well over 100 million people. Takes someone at advanced stage of hysteria to detect here racism, homophobia anti-semitism. I wonder why you missed global-warming denier.

          Even a person as dumb as you would know that nobody addressed in such absurd, insane manner would care to read the rest of your screed, much less to try to counter it. And that exactly what you wanted, so you may now in absence of my engaging your claim declare yourself a “winner”. What shameless hypocrisy. How pathetic.
          Listen loser, YOU ARE A WALKOVER.
          You know it and the insane absurd rage with which you assaulted me proves it. Your puny intelligence can not support your gigantically bloated ego, so it perceives disagreement as personal attack and responds in psychotic outburst.

          As said before, you are pathetic intellectual amoeba and obnoxious punk.

          I don’t intend to engage you in the future – do feel free to declare another victory. Now please do get lost.

        • Geordie says

          Apr 26, 2014 at 7:57 pm

          More insults and vile insults but validation of your ridiculous delusions. As I said put or shut-up … and crawl back under your rock.

          Thank you for kissing my arse. You earned the pleasure.

        • Champ says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 1:09 pm

          From Mein Kampf. – Volume 1, Chapter 2, Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna
          “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          geordie believes that Hitler was a Christian? LOL! …geordie has just demonstrated that his own ignorance knows no bounds. C’mon Hitler was NOT a Christian and everyone knows THAT–or they should. What a maroon.

      • Mirren10 says

        Apr 25, 2014 at 6:17 am

        The point of the article is aslan’s meretricious ignorance of Judaism and Christianity, and his pontificating about matters he knows nothing about.

        Whether or not *you* believe in the concept of the Resurrection is irrelevant.

        And your silly nonsense about ‘zombies’ is really childish. I myself am agnostic, but I feel no need to denigrate and mock the sincere religious beliefs of others. Except islam, of course.

        On reading the behaviour and actions of Christ after His ressurection; there is absolutely **nothing** ‘zombie’ like about His behaviour, so your analogy is not only childish and mean spirited, but *false*.

      • John C. Barile says

        Apr 28, 2014 at 11:22 am

        You know, Geordie, that any liar or hypocrite can mask himself in religiosity (as Hitler was and did); still, a mask doesn’t make you anything other than a liar or hypocrite.

        • John C. Barile says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 11:42 am

          But a Christian, and a Catholic one at that? If so, why then did Pope Pius XI (and his state secretary and successor, Eugenio Pacelli, the future Pius XII) release his encyclical letter, “Mit brennender Sorge–‘With Burning Anxiety,’ concerning the Catholic Church in Germany?

          http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge

        • John C. Barile says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 11:55 am

          Please note the date of this encyclical–March 10, 1937–publicly read from Catholic pulpits in Germany on Palm Sunday, March 21, 1937–composed in German, not Latin; clandestinely printed and distributed right under the noses of the Gestapo–note also its purposes, authorship, and content. Then go and tell me again the “irrefutable” proofs that Hitler and the Nazis were good pious Christians.

        • John C. Barile says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 12:16 pm

          By the way, can you imagine for a moment what would happen to the Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, if he had dared issue a fatwa as offensive to his Nazi hosts as this papal encyclical is? Papa Ratti, along with Cardinals Pacelli and Faulhaber possessed moral courage and fidelity to the Gospel.

        • John C. Barile says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 12:48 pm

          See also:

          http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humani_Generis_Unitas

        • John C. Barile says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 12:52 pm

          Correction: “. . . Can you imagine what would [have] happen[ed] to the Mufti . . . .“

        • John C. Barile says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 2:08 pm

          The never-promulgated encyclical Humani generis unitas, in its extant draft, has merit for its judgment against racism, anti-Semitism, and persecution of the Jews, but is flawed by its anti-Judaic observations and assertions (sinister and bigoted ones at that). In any case, it never constituted papal teaching, since it was published as such and bore no direct pontifical authorship. The authoritative document is the encyclical, Summi Pontificatus, subtitled “On the Unity of Human Society” — See here:

          http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summi_Pontificatus

        • John C. Barile says

          Apr 28, 2014 at 2:11 pm

          Correction: “. . . Since it was never published as such . . . .“

    • mortimer says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm

      The Torah indicates in several places that the righteous will be reunited with their loved ones after death, while the wicked will be excluded from this reunion.

      The Torah speaks of several noteworthy people being “gathered to their people.” See, for example, Gen. 25:8 (Abraham), 25:17 (Ishmael), 35:29 (Isaac), 49:33 (Jacob), Deut. 32:50 (Moses and Aaron) II Kings 22:20 (King Josiah). This gathering is described as a separate event from the physical death of the body or the burial.

  36. Kepha says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    @Salah, Will Doolan, and Bill:

    I, for one, have staked my soul on Jesus’ bodily resurrection from the dead, and I am also a Shroud of Turin-skeptic.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 25, 2014 at 2:11 am

      Same here.

    • thomas_h says

      Apr 25, 2014 at 7:36 am

      Same here

  37. RodSerling says

    Apr 25, 2014 at 10:45 am

    What I’d like to see: This story picked up more widely, leading to Fox’s Lauren Green interviewing Reza Aslan, round 2. The topic: Aslan’s claim that the idea of resurrection “…simply doesn’t exist in Judaism. The idea of an individual dying and rising from the dead absolutely has no basis in five thousand years of Jewish history, scripture or thought. So, that’s the thing: No matter what you think about the resurrection, the thing that’s kind of fascinating from an historical perspective is that there is simply no Jewish context for it.”

    I’m going to make some emails.

    • Bezelel says

      Apr 26, 2014 at 8:48 pm

      Elijah, check,Eli shah,check, Enoch,just translated, Melchizedek,wasn’t even born,no parents, King of Salem as in Jeru-Salem, founded in peace.
      P.S. Shalom

  38. Alan S says

    Apr 25, 2014 at 10:51 am

    Imagine if the same things where said about Mohamed, the out cry, riots and killing, yet we can insult Jewish and Christian beliefs as much as we like, time for change. Tony Blaire recent speech may be a small spark, that may start a fire, we can only hope.

  39. gravenimage says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 1:14 am

    Reza Aslan: Idea of resurrection “absolutely has no basis in 5,000 years of Jewish history, scripture or thought”
    ……………………………….

    This is, of course, not just shoddy scholarship.

    This is about Muslim supremacism over Judaism and Christianity.

    Just like in his appalling book “Zealot”, where he posits Jesus as, essentially, a Palestinian terrorist, this is more of his giving Jesus an “Isa” ‘makeover’.

    And what is the Islamic “Isa”? He was not a healer or a peacemaker. He was not crucified, but compelled one of his poor followers to die nameless in his place, while he slunk away.

    And in the last days, the role of “Isa” is to “break the cross and kill the pigs”—to do away with dhimmitude, the small, uncertain space where Christians may worship under Islam.

    Then “Isa” offers them two choices: conversion to Islam or death. So the true role of “Isa” is to *kill Christians*.

    That’s what all this is about—to discredit Jesus, and his Jewish underpinnings. This is all about Muslim supremacy.

    And even non-Christians and non-Jews—*including* atheists—should be concerned about this as well. A world based on Islamic supremacy is not safe for *any* Infidel.

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