It is a familiar argument at this point: acting against Islamic jihadists risks “alienating moderate Muslims.” The Times editors put “peaceful” in brackets ahead of Ibrahim Mounir’s reference to “Muslim Brotherhood values,” but in reality the Brotherhood’s year in power in Egypt was anything but peaceful; that year was marked by thuggery against its opponents, and since the Brotherhood was toppled from power, its supporters have blamed Christians for the loss of power, terrorizing them and burning churches. And even if it really were peaceful, the Muslim Brotherhood is dedicated to establishing Islamic law in societies, and we are constantly told that Muslims in the West have no interest in bringing Sharia West with them, now or ever — so one would think that genuinely moderate Muslims would be happy to repudiate the Brotherhood and see it banned in Britain.
Ibrahim Mounir’s tactic here is very similar to one that is used constantly against me and other foes of jihad terror: the claim that speaking honestly about how Islamic jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism will alienate moderate Muslims. You can see an Australian interviewer ask me that exact question in this video. The obvious answer, of course, is that if they were truly moderate, they’d be just as indignant about that usage as we are, and would be standing with us against it.
Finally, note Mounir’s veiled threat: if the Brotherhood is banned, there will be jihad terror in the U.K. Of course, if it isn’t banned, there will be jihad terror in the U.K., but he doesn’t mention that.
“Ban on Muslim Brotherhood ‘will increase terrorism risk,’” by Tom Coghlan in the Times, April 5 (thanks to Richard):
Banning the Muslim Brotherhood will leave Britain at greater risk of terrorist attacks, the group’s most senior leader in the UK said yesterday.
Speaking for the first time since David Cameron announced an investigation into the organisation’s alleged links to violent extremism, Ibrahim Mounir said that it risked alienating moderate Muslims. “If this [ban] happened, this would make a lot of people in Muslim communities think that [peaceful] Muslim Brotherhood values . . . didn’t work and now they are designated a terrorist group, which would make the doors open for all options,” he said. Asked if he meant open to violence, he replied: “Any possibility.”…
John Spielman says
Islam is a bully religion because Allah /Satan is weak and cannot defend himself unlike God, The Lord of lords and King of kings, who said “vengeance is Mine I will repay”. Since Mohammed was a demon possessed pedophile, mass murderer, liar, thief, misogynist, and rapist, it only follows that his adherents behave in likewise vicious evil criminal way.
Emo says
WOW … u really described Mohamed in few words, I hope Britain someday will get rid of those terrorists .. they shall stay there just reproducing till their numbers are sufficient to be in power .. take care
Richard Parmene says
Still waiting for “God, Lord of lords and King of Kings'” vengeance. But vengeance from what and repayment against whom ? And when ?
voegelinian says
“…Saint Paul says that governments wield the “sword” to keep the peace and enforce justice. Christians are NOT to seek revenge against others who do them harm but wait for the judgemnt of God who will ultimately destroy all evil and evildoers when He (Jesus) returns.”
As long as the peace-keeping and justice-enforcing-with-a-sword is robust, there’s no need for “revenge” anyway, as it would be redundantly gratuitous.
Kalliope says
Muslim theology is evil.
That they consider Muḥammad to be worthy of emulation proves it!
For all you Muslims who read this website, why don’t you feel any shame about your debased religion, ʾIslām? Why don’t you feel any shame about your corrupt and ungodly ‘morals’, which are exemplified by sinful Muḥammad? Why hasn’t it occurred to you Muslims that in murdering everyone who disagrees with your religion, you are following Satan:
John 8:44:
For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.
http://biblehub.com/john/8-44.htm
He was a murderer from the beginning. Satan.
Think about it.
Why should the Muslim Brotherhood threaten all with “Jihād” (extortion and murder) if they don’t get their way?
Whom are they really following?
Whom are YOU really following?
Waiting for an earnest response from any Muslim.
Taqīyah shamans need not apply.
bill says
Allah and god are the same fantasy nitwit, if you quote the wholly babble as a defence against Islam you are just as delusional as the Muslims.
JIMJFOX says
Well said, Bill!!
John spielman says
simply wait and see what ultimately happens. On the Day of Judgment you may be singing a different tune. By the way , where did energy and matter come from (a if you use the BIG BANG theory, then by the Laws of Thermodynamics, which can be proven mathematically hence the term laws, THERE IS A PROBLEM. Also consider life, how does non life give rise to life. If spontaneous generation of life is possible, why are ALL life forms based on DNA ( ok there are RNA viruses , but they are still nucleic acids) and why haven’t any non DNA based life forms arisen on this earth in 5 billion years? (the abnormal prions that cause mad cow disease or Cruetzfeldt-Jacob are not replicating but causing a thermodynamically generated catalytic unfolding of the native prion proteins to become abnormal and result in disease).
Bill Richards says
John, your comments reveal that you have no understanding of physics science/biochemistry what-so-ever.
Also, please stop invoking your invisible deity and belief systems to disprove or discredit any other invisible deity or belief system, it is not logical.
citycat says
There never was a big bang, someone’s idea got out of hand.
So there’s no problem.
All is sweet and sour here in eternity.
john spielman says
Dear Bill: so what about thermodynamics( in a closed or open system) do you not understand? Which university did you get your degree in BIOCHEMISTRY in? Mine was at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
PS: Do you want a copy of THAT diploma? How about my Doctor of Medicine degree, do want that as well?
Kalliope says
@Bill
One of great things about the United States of America is the freedom to believe in a deity. Or not. That is the American way.
I am an Orthodox Christian. It is my belief that the great evils of ʾIslām (including Jihād) begins and ends with its diabolical theology.
These people need Christ. This is my opinion, of which I am entitled to, just as you are entitled to yours.
And I will continue to state it on this public website as long as Mr. Spencer allows me to.
Tom Halvey says
So they are saying that we must do as they want or they will carry out terrorist attacks against us. All I can say is bring it on and see what response you will eventually get back. To be honest though as far as I am concerned we should be dealing with them already. We should be dealing with them in a way that scares them into hiding for the next 1500 years.
DVult says
This guy should be arrested immediately as well as all the rest of the muslim brotherhood in England. They should then all be executed. Encourage Egypt to continue with their plans for the same treatment to the muslim brotherhood there. This should be the new policy towards terrorists – no negotiations, no lenience, no listening to their gobbledegook – just exterminate them.
Stephen Poole says
… I got some “spray” for that !! … SP OX …
Charli Main says
Just a word of caution–any comment to wipe out or exterminate the Muslim vermin infesting Europe and elsewhere, could lay you open to claims of advocating genocide, AND YOU WILL BE BANNED FOR UPSETTING THE MUSLIMS.
Salah says
That’s exactly what happened in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood “peaceful value” there was: We rule you or else we Kill you!
The Egyptian people chose to confront these thugs and accepted to pay the price. They burned churches, killed innocent Christians as well as innocent Muslims, they blew up buildings etc. In the end, they LOST Egypt. And not only did they lose Egypt, but they also lost Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the U.A.E and, slowly but surely, the whole MB international terrorist mafia is fading away.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-end-of-muslim-brotherhood.html
More good news:
The U.K. government has added three islamic groups to its list of proscribed organisations.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/house-of-commons-26852754
Jay Boo says
“the whole MB international terrorist mafia is fading away.”
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They are certainly wounded especially in Egypt but the Al Jazeera /Obama/ NPR /CAIR network is still trying to sanitize the MB stench to gullible lefties in the WEST.
Yokel says
The fact that the political elite so encourage the acceptance of Islam continues to support my view that the political elites are using Islam to achieve goals that would otherwise be unachievable. The synergy between Islam and the agenda of the Frankfurt School is surely too great to be random chance.
Islam is being used as a tool. I wonder what happens when the Muslims realise that?
kikorikid says
That is the exact point the Left, delusionally, intentionally,
miss. They believe that if the Left reaches full control
they can then sit around and point in any direction
and see “Utopia”. It is inevitable that Islam then
directs their efforts at the Left. Same-same.
Conquer
Submit
Convert
OR DIE !
It will be a big surprise for them.
Jay Boo says
Salah
I stumbled across this while looking up something else
Today in history April 6 a day of infamy in Egypt
Morsi elected
Jay Boo says
@Salah
Good BBC video
I will save the link
I would like to watch the whole video when time permits
If time is limited JW’s can jump to around 7 minute mark for info about
Ansar Bayt al Maqdis, Al Murabitun and Ansar al Sharia to the groups banned under the Terrorism Act 2000.
duh_swami says
Do what we want or risk attack. An Imam Rauf-ism, ‘let me build the NY mosque or risk attack’. ‘ I can’t guarantee your safety’. This falls under ‘instill terror in the hearts of kuffar and they will fold like a bad poker hand’. it also falls under, ‘nice try, no banana’s’.
Bradamante says
It’s also the mentality of a rapist. “I had to rape her because she refused to go out with me,” “If she hadn’t acted like she was too good for me, I wouldn’t have had to put her in her place,” etc. Now they’re informing Britons that they don’t own their own country anymore and can’t choose which political groups are allowed to operate there. Of course, we’ve known the Brits were losing their country for a while now. Here’s hoping more Brits wake up — and a few more of us Yanks waking up would be nice, too.
bill says
We are peaceful but if you investigate us you will feel our vengeance. I wonder if they can see their own hypocrisy or are they just very confused people?
tpellow says
The British government’s first reaction to any threat from an Islamic organisation is to submit; whereas the British government’s first reaction to admit anti-Islamic jihadists into Britain is to reject.
sidney penny says
Islam means to submit.
The only reason we’re talking about Islam at all today is because it doesn’t mean peace. Islam literally means submission, and it demands that Muslims submit to the will of its malevolent god, Allah.
Islam Means Submission, Not Peace
Where did the editor of Times get peaceful from?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Don’t ban us or else. This brings up the persistent reference to the fact that Hamas is officially designated as a terror operation. But such thinking is a pussy operation: any fool can see who’s actually in terror operation, they all are, it just depends how close to the action a Moslem is. That’s the military concern.
Or else what? If they get the official designation they’ll just get their asses kissed more what with their relative importance that much more by the designation.
Just because a Moslem activist organization hasn’t yet been awarded official designation doesn’t mean they don’t fully rate one.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
… acting against Islamic jihadists risks “alienating moderate Muslims.”
Therein lies the crux. It’s a valid argument that bearings refinement: defending oneself from the self-declared predations of Islam (i.e., of Moslem activists) runs the risk of flipping that power switch embedded in their backs from Off to On, which is to say from Inactive to Active.
Jay Boo says
The Muslim Brotherhood exposes ‘moderate’ Islam’s filth.
After a terrorist attack
1 Islam apologists warn of Islamophobia to provide cover.
2 (not my problem) moderate Muslims then use Islamophobia as an excuse to hide away.
3 How would (not my problem) moderate Muslims react to a tit-for-tat attack.
kikorikid says
Now that is an idea whose time has come!
There is no concept of “reciprocity” in Islam.
Their “supremacist” thinking allows them to
commit murder and think that the singular
option for those murdered, and their kind,
is to submit or, you guessed it, more murders.
The only thing that has ever
kikorikid says
stopped Islam is FORCE !
Edgar Davidson says
With unelected Muslim supremacist Baroness Warsi being both UK Foreign Office Minister and Minister for “Faith and the Community” the chances of the Muslim Brotherhood being banned are non-existent. Warsi has just appointed Muslim Brotherhood poster boy Tariq Ramadan (the antisemite who in 2006 was banned from the US because of his links to terrorism Foreign Office) as her Advisor on the “Freedom of Religion or Belief” Group. In fact, the committee is made up almost entirely of Islamists, anti-Zionists, and leftist radicalists. Yet this committee is going to determine UK policy on “Promoting human rights internationally”, “Equality, rights and citizenship, Foreign affairs and International aid and development” (see http://edgar1981.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/foreign-office-responds-to-my-warsi.html for the Foreign Office’s response to my questions about thsi Committee).
It is becoming increasingly obvious that, under the leadership of baroness Warsi, the Foregign Office clearly see their primary function as appeasement and outreach to Muslims and Arabs.
mileaway says
In the war of Good vs Evil, why do I NOT see the “Good” Muslims stacking the bodies of the “Evil” Muslims? Because ALL Muslims are jihadists in waiting! There are NO good Muslims, only those that haven’t killed you, YET!
mortimer says
If the Muslim Brotherhood is banned in the UK, there will be more of them in jail.
If there are more Muslim Brotherhood members in jail, there will be less jihad.
PJG says
This is such a common tactic for Muslims, “Submit or you’ll be sorry”, that I can hardly believe they still get away with it. Just last week there was a newspaper article about two Muslim men wanting to go to Syria but being banned from leaving Australia, and the journalist solemnly reported that such a ban is likely to “spark the very problem it was designed to prevent”.
Muslims are tinder, and easy to “spark”. Just tell them they can’t engage in any savagery, and you risk big trouble: those lazy “moderates” might suddenly find some energy.
No, the Brotherhood will not be banned and probably not even investigated. They are in the UK to stay.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/guilt-by-association-grounded-by-asio/story-fn59niix-1226841327030
Your Ayatrollah says
Muslims love the use of the threat. “We will not be able to control our anger”.
Kalliope says
For 1400 years, Muslims have not been able to control their murderous blood-lust.
Why should the 21st century be any different from previous centuries?
Jay Boo says
Jihadists can control their anger and even their smugness when it is in their best interest.
They are opportunistic parasites
eib says
Thank God resistance is a highly focused and controlled thing.
The Muslim Brotherhood is more dead than alive if they think the West will shelter them.
Jay Boo says
“The Muslim Brotherhood is more dead than alive if they think the West will shelter them.”
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Yet conniving politicians wishing appear non-Islamophobic still try.
MrSquat says
The root cause of the Muslim problem in the UK are not the Muslims, but those who brought the Muslims to Britain.
sidney penny says
Who are they?
Jay Boo says
Outlaw Islam
Let immigrant Muslims choose to leave Islam or leave the UK
citycat says
“if the Brotherhood is banned, there will be jihad terror in the U.K.”
There will be no terror experienced by infidels.
eib says
Not long before terrorism provokes a violent response against the Ummah wherever they are.
Larry A. Singleton says
Well I’m back to getting a “You are being redirected…” message when I try to print and now I’m being linked to articles I have to pay for in order to read them. Nice. I’d check the “Notify me…” box but I still haven’t figured out that mess I get in my email.
tpellow says
“David Cameron’s religious adviser is descended from founders of the ‘terrorist’ Muslim Brotherhood.
“PM facing embarrassment over links between adviser and Islamist group.
“Adviser Tariq Ramadan is grandson of Muslim Brotherhood’s founder.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597896/David-Camerons-religious-adviser-descended-founders-terrorist-Muslim-Brotherhood.html#ixzz2y6EcOxc2
EYESOPEN says
Lovely. Simply lovely. So what was all this about the MB being “investigated” then? Or was that just a ploy – a bone thrown to those in the UK who have become fed up to the eyeballs with the depredations of islam in their country?
tpellow says
Also, in Islamizing U.K.:-
‘Telegraph’ (£)-
“Muslim parent: Radical school is brainwashing our children.
Mohammed Zabar, whose daughter attends Oldknow Academy, has spoken out after the head, Bhupinder Kondal, was driven out.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/10747220/Muslim-parent-Radical-school-is-brainwashing-our-children.html
Bezelel says
Either investigate and show the MB that they are not above the law, OR don’t investigate and show them that they are. If all they have to do is verbally defeat the UK that would be a Fn shame.
kikorikid says
I believe Britain has laws against “Strong-Arm Extortion”,
the very thing Islam uses world-wide.
Do this or ‘We keeeel you”.
Bezelel says
They intend to use the same shiite as long as it works.
gravenimage says
Speaking for the first time since David Cameron announced an investigation into the organisation’s alleged links to violent extremism, Ibrahim Mounir said that it risked alienating moderate Muslims. “If this [ban] happened, this would make a lot of people in Muslim communities think that [peaceful] Muslim Brotherhood values . . . didn’t work and now they are designated a terrorist group, which would make the doors open for all options,” he said. Asked if he meant open to violence, he replied: “Any possibility.”…
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Ibrahim Mounir is admitting here that the goal of all mainstream Muslims is the imposition of Shari’ah, and that if they believe they will not b e able to achieve their vile goals “peacefully”, then they will turn to waging violent Jihad forthwith.
Does the interviewer even fully understand that this is what Mounir is saying?
Dan Nowotarski says
or else what they will start destroying Christian Churches and start beating, raping and murdering unarmed, innocent men, women and children as the Muslim Brotherhood Savages did in Egypt. Then this threat should be met with force.