Conspiracy paranoia is rampant among Islamic supremacists, but this one is especially comical: it would require Barack Obama, of all people, to be secretly plotting to destroy Muslim countries by the diabolical weapon of Islamic supremacist uprisings that he warmly supported. Ahmed El-Tayeb should recognize a friend when he sees one.
“Arab spring a plot to divide countries: Egypt’s Grand Imam,” Ahram Online, May 12, 2014 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Some Arab spring revolutions were launched to divide the countries of the region, Al-Azhar Grand Imam Ahmed El-Tayib has asserted.
“Some Arab spring revolutions brought benefits but others were planned to destroy and divide countries,” he said in an interview on Al-Hayat TV channel on Sunday.
The West invented “corrupted” theories in order to steal the wealth of the East, El-Tayib added.
“The East has not met the level of West, the gap is widening between them,” he said, adding that there was a conspiracy to keep the East weak.
“The West presented the clash of civilizations theory in order to provoke a clash with Islamic civilization.”
“There are non-Western nations with old civilizations that are capable of leading the world in a more reasonable way than the West,” El-Tayib said.
Western civilization is in a state of extreme moral, spiritual and religious poverty, he asserted.
However, he noted that Islamic civilization was capable of coexisting with Western civilization.
“The history of Islamic civilization is full of examples of respect for and recognition of the other.”
Angemon says
Mohammedans can’t trust one another, let alone non-mohammedans. This kind of paranoia, blaming whatever bad happens to them on non-muslims, is what prevents them from turning on one another, like it’s happening in Iraq.
“The West invented “corrupted” theories in order to steal the wealth of the East, El-Tayib added.”
“Wealth of the East”? Like sand, and camels, and… and… sand, and camels…
““The East has not met the level of West, the gap is widening between them,” he said, adding that there was a conspiracy to keep the East weak.”
China is doing pretty well. Maybe not South Korea and Japan well, but they’ll get there. South Korea fought a war in the 50’s and Japan had foreign military present since WWII. Note that China, South Korea and Japan aren’t muslim majority countries.
““The West presented the clash of civilizations theory in order to provoke a clash with Islamic civilization.””
Actually, Samuel Huntington, the creator of the “Clash of Civilizations” theory, mentioned *9* “civilizations”, not just “Western” and “Islamic”. And Western civilization isn’t the only one clashing with islamic civilization. Why don’t we ask the Hindu, Buddhist or African civilizations what they think of the islamic civilization?
““There are non-Western nations with old civilizations that are capable of leading the world in a more reasonable way than the West,” El-Tayib said.”
Not islamic civilizations though, if the state of the average islamic country is taken as an indicator. Despite the many billions of oil money pumping in, it’s estimated that a quarter of the population of Saudi Arabia lives below the poverty line.
“Western civilization is in a state of extreme moral, spiritual and religious poverty, he asserted.”
So why are mahommedans so eager to migrate to Western countries?
“However, he noted that Islamic civilization was capable of coexisting with Western civilization.”
Yeah, whenever Western civilization has the upper hand in military terms. Islamic nations have a long and bloody history of preying on other nations. Like Huntington said, “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards”. It wasn’t so long ago that islamic pirates were a plague in the Mediterranean sea.
““The history of Islamic civilization is full of examples of respect for and recognition of the other.””
Ah, nothing like a good closing joke!
mortimer says
They make revelation superior to critical thought. They then control discussion of the contradiction through the death sentence. They then make up any self-serving conclusion to justify their political agenda of supremacism.
A number of fallacies, chiefly ‘authoritarian thought’, create the ‘Islamic delusion’.
T. Snorrason says
He is so right, this fine imam.
And he should call all muslims back to their countries of origin, so they are not infected by our living and living standards.
He is so right, the East is still becoming more and more backward. And why?
Islam is the answer.
The brighter of muslims have understood that.
Charli Main says
” the East has not met the level of the West, the gap is widening between them”
What planet is this moron living on ???? The economic and military might of China, India, South Korea and Japan is growing at an exponential rate. The GDPs of these countries outstrip both Europe and the USA.
Its the Muslim countries of the ” East” that are backwater shit holes. The non Muslim ” East” is doing just fine.
umbra says
Any islamic country is a hole. Some however, are bigger or deeper than others.
john spielman says
Islamic countries are hole because by definition a SEWER must be a hole!
umbra says
They are more than just sewers. They are holes … as in blackholes. Things get suck things in, but nothing (useful) comes out.
Reality Check says
Of course it is a Western conspiracy – Islam has a huge problem admitting that Muslim-on-Muslim violence exists for no good reason at all. Blaming it on external forces helps to keep the image of Islam pure.
Islam – the eternal victim of external factors beyond its control. Islam – the only religion that needs enemies 24/7 to justify its own actions against others.
I wonder what Islamists are going to do when there will be no Western enemies left to fight. Most probably the result will be evocative of the wonderful poem by Konstantinos Kavaphes, “Waiting for the Barbarians”:
WAITING FOR THE BARBARIANS
(Translated by Richmond Lattimore)
Why are we all assembled and waiting in the market place?
It is the barbarians; they will be here today.
Why is there nothing being done in the senate house?
Why are the senators in session but are not passing laws?
Because the barbarians are coming today.
Why should the senators make laws any more?
The barbarians will make the laws when they get here.
Why has our emperor got up so early
and sits there at the biggest gate of the city
high on his throne, in state, and with his crown on?
Because the barbarians are coming today
and the emperor is waiting to receive them
and their general. And he has even made ready
a parchment to present them, and thereon
he has written many names and many titles.
Why have our two consuls and our praetors
Come out today in their red embroidered togas?
Why have they put on their bracelets with all those amethysts
and rings shining with the glitter of emeralds?
Why will they carry their precious staves today
which are decorated with figures of gold and silver?
Because the barbarians are coming today
And things like that impress the barbarians.
Why do our good orators not put in any appearance
and make public speeches, and do what they generally do?
Because the barbarians are coming today
and they get bored with eloquent public speeches.
Why is everybody beginning to be so uneasy?
Why so disordered? (See how grave all the faces have
become!) Why do the streets and the squares empty so quickly,
and they are all anxiously going home to their houses?
Because it is night, and the barbarians have not got here,
and some people have come in from the frontier
and say that there aren’t any more barbarians.
What are we going to do now without the barbarians?
In a way, those people were a solution.
Source: http://www.kenyonreview.org/programs/resources-for-teachers/konstantinos-kavaphes/
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Islam – the eternal victim of external factors beyond its control. Islam – the only religion that needs enemies 24/7 to justify its own actions against others.
Aggression against Moslems goes back to the beginning. When they were evicted from Mecca and went on up to Medina, then called Yathrib, things were cool. The Jews took them in and fed them, and the Holy Prophet issued unilateral treaties with the surrounding oases. Then the people of Khaibar broke their treaty, and the Holy Prophet was forced to take their land and property, and had to evict them from their own land. Next was Nadir, same deal, they broke their deal with the Holy Prophet. Boom, same deal, had to take their land and property. The straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak, was when Qurayzay violated their treaty. At the end of his patience, the Holy Prophet had little choice but to take their land and property, but this time he had to behead all Qurayzayian men, with their families watching, and to take their women as slaves, and their girls and boys as sex-slaves.
So it little wonder why today’s Moslem is hypersensitive. So many broken treaties, so much Jihad…
David Hayden says
Alarmed Pig Farmer,
Muhammad’s life in Medina certainly supports the idea that he needed external enemies to obey Allah’s command to make Islam supreme in the world. W. Montgomery Watt, in his biography of Muhammad entitled Muhammad: Prophet and Statesman, says Muhammad’s use of raids on Meccan caravans were primarily religious and political in nature.
Watt says, “…it seems clear that even before he left Mecca Muhammad must have looked on raids on Meccan caravans as a possibility, even a probability. In the raids the Muslims were taking the offensive. Muhammad could not have failed to realize that, even if the raids were only slightly successful, the Meccans were bound to attempt reprisals. In these little raids, then, he was DELIBERATELY challenging and provoking the Meccans” (105).
He wanted a war with the Meccans and got it. Similarly, he had to get rid of the Jews of Medina who refused to recognize him as a prophet sent by Allah. As you mentioned, he took on the Jews militarily and made Medina Judenrein within a four year period. First it was the Banu Qaynuqa (exiled), following by the Banu Nadir (exiled), then the Banu Qurayza (men beheaded, women and children enslaved), then he attacked and defeated the Jews of Khyabar, Fadak, Wadi al-Qura, and Taima in the Hejaz region of Arabia by 628. Check out my book for a full description of Muhammad’s war with the Jews and the birth of Islamic supremacism.
Also, my blog on the historical interpretations of Islam is full of Islamic history from Muhammad’s beginning to contemporary jihadist attempts to make the world safe for their Allah.
http://www.amazon.com/Muhammad-Birth-Islamic-Supremacism-622-628/dp/1937668975/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350764023&sr=8-1&keywords=muhammad+hayden
Blog link
http://historicalinterpretationsofislam.blogspot.com/
duh_swami says
Gabrielism is a false religion…based on a strange and evil fairy tale.
john spielman says
that ‘s a good name for Islam, I’ve never heard it before!
voegelinian says
Call it Jibrilism.
Angemon says
““The East has not met the level of West, the gap is widening between them” ”
I’m just going to drop this here…
http://islamqa.info/en/83423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4myg0pMFrUY
Western conspiracy indeed!
mortimer says
“There are non-Western nations with old civilizations that are capable of leading the world in a more reasonable way than the West,” El-Tayib said.
WHAT A HOWLER!
He’s referring to which Muslim country…Saudi Arabia? Egypt? The Ottoman Empire?
mortimer says
It should be noted that this man is the highest authority in Islam! He is an egregiously stupid and ill-informed bigot!
This is the BEST Islam has got? How much worse are the rest?
(He goes on to hang himself: “The history of Islamic civilization is full of examples of respect for and recognition of the other.”)
Priceless taqiyya and self-delusion!
mortimer says
Egypt is in crisis and he says they are ready to lead the world.
jewdog says
This is a good example of the Islamic Mirror Image Fallacy.
Since Muslims are taught to that non-Muslims are inferiors who should be subjugated or killed, they project that attitude onto others, assuming that non-Muslims have the same nefarious intentions towards them.
Meanwhile, we usually see the Western Mirror Image Fallacy, in which Westerners who are taught to respect others as equals naively project those intentions onto people who want nothing of the kind.
Combine the delusions and you get a Muslim who actually thinks that Obama is a mean schemer with a robust foreign policy.
RodSerling says
OT (check out religionofpeace.com for more):
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/crime/10-absconding-maids-arrested-1.1332144
Official enforcement of slavery in Kuwait: “10 absconding maids arrested”
[My note: in classical sharia, slaves who try to escape are charged with highway robbery and punished according to Q 5:33]
“Moderate” Malaysian PM rails against apostasy, LGBT, extreme “human rightism”
http://news.malaysia.msn.com/tmi/muslims-threatened-by-liberalism-secularism-and-lgbt-says-najib-%E2%80%93-bernama
Swedish politician fined for making factually true but “insulting” statement about Muslim men and rape
http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/05/11/swedish-politician-fined-hate-speech-islam/
http://www.friatider.se/beviset-i-r-tten-muslimer-v-ldtar-20-g-nger-mer-n-svenskar
Brunei sultan’s Western sexual “right hand possessions”/ concubines (NY Post article’s author is clueless, but article is informative)
http://nypost.com/2014/05/10/inside-the-wacky-sex-obsessed-world-of-brunei/
Salah says
“..it would require Barack Obama, of all people, to be secretly plotting to destroy Muslim countries by the diabolical weapon of Islamic supremacist uprisings that he warmly supported..”
I don’t know whether Ahmed El-Tayeb personally supported the Muslim Brotherhood or not. One thing I do know though: the al-Nour Salafist party did. They supported the islamic supremacist uprising until Morsi and his MB thugs turned against them. The MB also turned against al Azhar itself. Lately, Saudi Arabia classified the MB as a terrorist organization.
Jihadists ALWAYS turn against their benefactors; didn’t they turn against the US?
Conclusion: NEVER put your hand in the hand of a TRUE follower of Muhammad.
N.B. If al Azhar, the Saudis, the Salafists, as well as most Muslims, are seriously rejecting the MB, its offshoots, and all violent jihadist groups, BECAUSE they condemn violence-in-the-name-of-Islam, then they are not true followers of Muhammad themselves. If Muslims seriously reject violence, then let’s rejoice…Islam will soon be history. Islam CANNOT survive without violence.
RonaldB says
My take on the statement is a bit different.
The biggest mortal enemy of Saudi Arabia right now is Iran. Saudi Arabia will ally itself with Israel or anyone else to maintain an effective coalition against Iran. Al-qaeda is a creature of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, which also had strong affiliations with Saudi Arabia (see the family history of Huma Abedin). Somehow, the image of the pampered princes inside their air-conditioned palaces riding around in their near-solid-silver limousines didn’t fire the jihadi imagination enough, and the Muslim Brotherhood became allied with Iran.
The Muslim Brotherhood was eminently successful in infiltrating the Arab Spring minions, turning the normal threat of revolutionary fervor into a double whammy for the Saudis: firing up sentiment against traditional governments and opening the door to concrete Iranian influence and presence. So naturally, the Saudis will find any excuse to denounce the Arab Spring. The charge that it is caused by Western influence is for show, and not to be taken seriously by either the Saudis or the Western monitors.
“However, he noted that Islamic civilization was capable of coexisting with Western civilization.”
This is a very interesting statement. The Saudis have been eminently successful in infiltrating into American social and educational circles. However, the Muslim Brotherhood has been even more successful in infiltrating directly into the American power base. Saudi Arabia is still dependent on the American military umbrella, and I think they might be having second thoughts about supporting a full-speed transition of the US into a sharia-friendly society. To the extent America becomes friendly to Islam, it becomes more inefficient economically and militarily.
Saudi Arabia is probably seeing it would far rather have an infidel ally than a Muslim associate (Muslim states, like Muslim individuals, are not really allies, as they are not trustworthy.)
So apart from all the blather about Muslim countries leading the way for non-Muslim countries, which again, no one in Saudi Arabia takes seriously, he is saying that Saudi Arabia can very well live with the US and Western countries as allies.
It seems to me this is a great moment to use the rivalry between Muslim gangs as a wedge to drive out a lot of Islamic influence in American government and society that has been put there by Saudi money and Muslim Brotherhood intrigue.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
To the extent America becomes friendly to Islam, it becomes more inefficient economically and militarily.
In addition, as we become more friendly to Islam we are losing freedom. As chanteuse Lucinda Williams sang, if you hang out with trash you don’t come out clean.
Salah says
Excellent analysis, RonaldB.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
“The West invented “corrupted” theories in order to steal the wealth of the East,” El-Tayib added.
Well, it’s time for Prez Barack Hussein to get back to ol’ U of al-Azhar and apologize for that, too.
“The history of Islamic civilization is full of examples of respect for and recognition of the other.”
Yeah, when they were in a hold state because of relative weakness leaving them unable to expand at those places and times. The other 75% of Moslem history is filled with examples of Jihad expansion. Being a so-called academic, of course, it’s understandable that Prof El-Tayib would be deceptive.
eib says
Quote:
“However, he noted that Islamic civilization was capable of coexisting with Western civilization.”
This is a very interesting statement. The Saudis have been eminently successful in infiltrating into American social and educational circles.
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Infiltration, invasion, contempt and conquest are not co-existence!
Islam is the enemy of diversity.
Most particularly the enemy of the West.
Resist or, if you survive, submit and die every day.
bill says
Damn those Westerners are really clever. They (CIA I expect)) got all those millions of Arabs to get out on the street and demonstrate.