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Counter-terror orgs endorse Narendra Modi for India Prime Minister

May 14, 2014 2:13 pm By Robert Spencer

Politicians who will stand forthrightly against jihad terror and Islamic supremacism are few and far between all around the world. Narendra Modi in India is among the few, and so he has received the endorsement of Canadians United Against Terror. Indeed, supporters of freedom and human rights the world over should support him.

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  1. Sarita says

    May 14, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    No matter that crimes against minorities esp. against Christians and Muslims have increased in BJP (Modi’s party) rule. Not to mention the moral policing being carried out in the name of preserving ‘Indian Culture’.

    • Bhartiya says

      May 14, 2014 at 6:00 pm

      Sarita ji,

      This website is not for hate . Do not spread lies. If you want to write something write with evidence.
      When you say crimes against Christians and Muslims have increased, where about?
      Talk about Sikh killings in 1984, talk about terror attacks in India, talk about stone throwing by minority muslims on rathyatra processions, kite flying days and racket created by minority muslims when Pakistan cricket team used to lose match against India, talk about minority muslims who hoisted pakistani flags in Ahmedabad on 14th of August .
      Do you know these minorities are breed of conversion on threat and briberies. There is ample of evidence for this. You can ask MA Khan , you can ask Ali Sina and Robert Spencer too.

      • Bharat says

        May 15, 2014 at 8:45 am

        Bhatatiya – You stop spreading lies. A trial court convicted Dara Singh of Bajrang Dal to death for burning priest Graham Staines and his sons. It was commuted to life sentence by the High Court in 2005 which was upheld in the SC in 2011.

        The names you have given are convicted for the death of Swami Laxmananad who was trying to reconvert tribals back to Hinduism from Christianity. No one gave two hoots about the tribals till the missionaries came and gave them an education in exchange for a change in religion. The problem started when the numbers became so high that the Hindu Right Wingers thought it was going to depress their numbers and tried reconverting them back. Nowhere in the Indian Constitution are the tribals treated as Hindus. Even the Hindu Code Bill doesn’t apply to the tribals. What the Hindu Right Wingers assume is a non-Hindu cannot be as patriotic as the Hindus – hence this whole anti-national rhetoric against conversion.

        Coming to Islam, the Muslims in India are NOT terrorists, and the terrorist activities have largely been due to their political alienation (unlike jihad in the rest of the world in the name of Islam) post independence, which gives Pakistan an opportunity to cultivate disgruntled youth for their nefarious agenda against India. The Right-Wing hindu activities like the Babri Masjid demolition, the 2002 riots etc make the situation worse. If you would know, the majority of Muslims who stayed back in India post independence were the ones who did not have voting rights pre independence (because they did not have property, education etc) and did not vote for the Muslim League and his divisive agenda. However, even today the Muslims are blamed for the division, putting them on the defensive. Haven’t we all heard “Why don’t you go to Pakistan” so often.

        The Indian version of Islam is different from the Middle eastern version and has been toned down through centuries of interaction with Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism etc. We do not have people going to Syria from India (a few Indians who have have done so after staying abroad for years) to fight a Holy War. Our Muslims politicians do not advocate military intervention is Israel but follow democratic processes and implore the state to Condemn Israel through diplomatic means. However what is happening now is the Hindu Right wing projecting the Muslims as anti-India terrorists to unite the Hindus as a political entity (the Hindus are divided on Caste, Language, Region etc and the Hindu identity for the lower castes is not a natural but a reactionary anti-muslim identity that gets reinforced with every Hindu-Muslim riots). This has open them to the the Islamosupremacist Wahabi-Deobandi ideologies, and when you see Muslims in India break war memorials in reaction to Rohingya muslims being butchered in Myanmar its that Islam at play.

        I believe you are a nationalist and in your distorted view of nationalism you have assumed christian and muslims as less patriotic that Hindus, and hence your tirade against conversion. What the politicians have done till date is not secularim as we define it in Hinduism but minority appeasement in the name of secularism. We do not just “tolerate” other religions but respect them as much as we respect ours because we believe there could be multiple paths to God and Islam, Christianity, Hinduism are each valid paths. Modi will usher in true secularism, and bring a sense of Hindu Muslim unity the country needs. The 15 % Muslims in this country is a reality and the more you act the violent will be the reaction because when an identity is threatened it tends to get reinforced more strongly (were there as many burkha clad women 15 years back?). This country has given birth to Sufi Mysticism, and Ahamadiya traditions which are relatively peaceful. Lets respect and work to encourage these tradition, and not allow the Wahabi-Deobandi traditions to take over.

        • bicky says

          May 15, 2014 at 11:02 am

          ToSarita, Meena and bharat,

          for a “beautiful ” change , y dont stay for a while in pakistan???
          stop spreading lies and hate, christians and muslims are very successful in india as a minority , compared to any muslim country,
          it is very apparent that either u r misinformed or maybe muslims doing taqiya,
          god bless humanity

        • voegelinian says

          May 15, 2014 at 12:17 pm

          You see guys, it’s not just the West that has PC MC idiots — there are many in India, too, possibly millions like Bharat.

        • Python Clojure says

          May 17, 2014 at 10:14 am

          # We do not just “tolerate” other religions but respect them as much as we respect ours because we believe there could be multiple paths to God and Islam, Christianity, Hinduism are each valid paths#

          This statement summarizes your views. You cannot tag “One god, One book(OGOB)” religions with Hindu Dharma. These OGOB religions show extreme intolerance to any one not following their faiths. Hindu Dharma does not have such intolerant aspects.

    • Meena says

      May 14, 2014 at 7:08 pm

      Sarita what you said is true. I pray that America does not make the same mistake just like supporting Al-Qaeda against the Soviets by supporting Narendra Modi who has tried to foment hatred between religious groups to attain power.
      I will never forget how Graham Staines and his twin sons were burned alive.

      • Bhartiya says

        May 15, 2014 at 12:03 am

        On 30 September 2013, Additional district judge Rajendra Kumar Tosh at an Additional district and sessions court in Phulbani convicted seven Christians[24][25][26] for the murder: Gadanath Chalanseth, Bijaya Kumar Shyamseth, Buddha Nayak, Sanatan Badamajhi, Duryadhan Sunamajhi, Bhaskar Sunamajhi and Munda Badamajhi.[27]

      • Bhartiya says

        May 15, 2014 at 12:06 am

        Moron Meena ,

        Anything happens in India is because of Narendra Modi?
        You need to know geography of India. Again spreading lies on this site! Write with facts about Graham Staines

        • Bharat says

          May 15, 2014 at 8:40 am

          Bhatatiya – You stop spreading lies. A trial court convicted Dara Singh of Bajrang Dal to death for burning priest Graham Staines and his sons. It was commuted to life sentence by the High Court in 2005 which was upheld in the SC in 2011.

          The names you have given are convicted for the death of Swami Laxmananad who was trying to reconvert tribals back to Hinduism from Christianity. No one gave two hoots about the tribals till the missionaries came and gave them an education in exchange for a change in religion. The problem started when the numbers became so high that the Hindu Right Wingers thought it was going to depress their numbers and tried reconverting them back. Nowhere in the Indian Constitution are the tribals treated as Hindus. Even the Hindu Code Bill doesn’t apply to the tribals. What the Hindu Right Wingers assume is a non-Hindu cannot be as patriotic as the Hindus – hence this whole anti-national rhetoric against conversion.

          Coming to Islam, the Muslims in India are NOT terrorists, and the terrorist activities have largely been due to their political alienation (unlike jihad in the rest of the world in the name of Islam) post independence, which gives Pakistan an opportunity to cultivate disgruntled youth for their nefarious agenda against India. The Right-Wing hindu activities like the Babri Masjid demolition, the 2002 riots etc make the situation worse. If you would know, the majority of Muslims who stayed back in India post independence were the ones who did not have voting rights pre independence (because they did not have property, education etc) and did not vote for the Muslim League and his divisive agenda. However, even today the Muslims are blamed for the division, putting them on the defensive. Haven’t we all heard “Why don’t you go to Pakistan” so often.

          The Indian version of Islam is different from the Middle eastern version and has been toned down through centuries of interaction with Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism etc. We do not have people going to Syria from India (a few Indians who have have done so after staying abroad for years) to fight a Holy War. Our Muslims politicians do not advocate military intervention is Israel but follow democratic processes and implore the state to Condemn Israel through diplomatic means. However what is happening now is the Hindu Right wing projecting the Muslims as anti-India terrorists to unite the Hindus as a political entity (the Hindus are divided on Caste, Language, Region etc and the Hindu identity for the lower castes is not a natural but a reactionary anti-muslim identity that gets reinforced with every Hindu-Muslim riots). This has open them to the the Islamosupremacist Wahabi-Deobandi ideologies, and when you see Muslims in India break war memorials in reaction to Rohingya muslims being butchered in Myanmar its that Islam at play.

          I believe you are a nationalist and in your distorted view of nationalism you have assumed christian and muslims as less patriotic that Hindus, and hence your tirade against conversion. What the politicians have done till date is not secularim as we define it in Hinduism but minority appeasement in the name of secularism. We do not just “tolerate” other religions but respect them as much as we respect ours because we believe there could be multiple paths to God and Islam, Christianity, Hinduism are each valid paths. Modi will usher in true secularism, and bring a sense of Hindu Muslim unity the country needs. The 15 % Muslims in this country is a reality and the more you act the violent will be the reaction because when an identity is threatened it tends to get reinforced more strongly (were there as many burkha clad women 15 years back?). This country has given birth to Sufi Mysticism, and Ahamadiya traditions which are relatively peaceful. Lets respect and work to encourage these tradition, and not allow the Wahabi-Deobandi traditions to take over.

      • IndianTiger says

        May 15, 2014 at 5:22 pm

        Staines’ murderer was tried and convicted. What do liberal idiots like you have to say about the ethnic cleansing of Hindus by Kashmiri muslims? What do you say about the burning of 59 women and children by muslim thugs on a train in Godhara, a fact well investigated and established by Nanavati Commission of Enquiry?

        • Bharat says

          May 15, 2014 at 9:59 pm

          The Muslim thugs who burnt 59 women and children have been tried and sentenced by the court, if you haven missed that. Ask any Kashmiri pundit and he will tell you the Right Hindu Wingers haven’t done anything for them except making noise about their plight. The ground situation in Kashmir hasn’t improved for them to go back and urging them to go back in the name of “making sacrifices” for the religion is absolute buncum. What has BJP (and VHP/RSS) done for Kashmiri pundits from 1998-2003 when it was in power, and 2004 – 2014 when it was the principle opposition except making noise (The congress didn’t do anything could be no excuse !).

      • Mulakush says

        May 16, 2014 at 12:45 am

        Who the hell is Graham Staines? If he was preaching the lies og Christianity, he shuld have been driven out of town. There is no room for religions of hate born in the deserts of Arabia any where in the world.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          May 17, 2014 at 9:44 am

          Christianity was NOT born in the desert of Arabia.

          The land of Israel – where Jesus was born – was not a desert, not back then; it only *became* a desert after Muslims, invaded in the 7th century AD and *turned* it into a desert by spending the next 12 centuries wreaking ruin.

          The Galilee – where Jesus spent most of his life – is (or was, during his lifetime) green and well-watered, with a beautiful large freshwater lake; with trees and fields of flowers.

          And in a wide belt down the Jordan Valley, all the way from Galilee to Jericho, there was a massive forest of date palms – palms 70 to 80 feet high. The land of Israel – Judea – *exported* masses of luscious dates to the rest of the Roman Empire.

          There were cities, towns, villages everywhere. And the Temple in Jerusalem, which Herod had expensively renovated, was spectacularly beautiful.

          Furthermore: far from being some sort of alien invading force from out of the empty desert, Christianity, having arisen *within* a province of the Roman Empire, then spread, first, north and then west – through the *cities* of the Roman Empire, from town to town to town. It was an urban faith before it was a rural faith. And it spread, in its first four centuries, *entirely* without benefit of *any* ability to coerce conversion. It had to stand or fall – persuade people or not persuade them – on its own merits. The lives of its adherents – the way they treated each other, the way they treated strangers and neighbours – were its best and only means of persuasion.

          A significant percentage of the population of the Roman Empire had *already* become Christian – this in the teeth of waves of violent persecution – *before* the much-ballyhooed conversion of Constantine. And the church had spread – WITHOUT any ability either to bribe or to coerce people to convert – *outside* of the Roman Empire – to places where the writ of Rome had never run nor would run.

    • Mulakush says

      May 16, 2014 at 12:41 am

      Sarita,
      Hindus have been a minority in Kashmir. Guess what happened there? It is Koran inspired massacre and religious cleansing over there. Have you or your cohorts EVER protested against the muslim governors or population of that valley? Modi’s only fault was that his police administration was caught by surprise. Hindu pilgrims were slaughtered by muslims and the enraged Hindu population had had enough. They rose up and exacted revenge. Should they not have done that against a group that gets off scott free every f**king time? Hindus did not invent muslim hatred. Hatred to the extent of murder is woven into the very fabric of Islam and if you don’t believe me, read Koran for yourself. If Modi takes a stand against religiously inspired terrorism of muslims, I will give him all the power including creating trouble for traitorous apologists like you.

      BTW Sarita, you are only fooling yourself. You are actually a muslim masquerading as a Hindu on this blog. You are most likely a fanatic muslim man.

    • sanman says

      May 18, 2014 at 2:28 am

      Sarita,

      You are mischievously trying to insert divisions among opponents of jihad by getting them to fight each other. Modi is an Indian nationalist and so am I – I’m also a lifelong atheist, by the way, though not a dishonest leftist like yourself.

      Modi is a decent man who’s been vilified by the Dhimmi Congress Party. As you can see, most Indians did not support this, and that’s why the Dhimmi Congress has been completely thrown out of power, in spite of trying to play the same tricks that you’re trying to play.

      By trying to play such divide-and-rule games against the population, you’re only going to hasten your demise, Sarita. We’re going to have to toss you Dhimmis out of India and straight into the lap of Islamists, so that you’ll have the closest possible experience with them. Once you’re finally on the receiving end of their overlordship, you’ll eventually come to your senses.

  2. Charli Main says

    May 14, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Indians have suffered around a 1000 years of the most appalling brutality at the hands of the Muslim invaders of their country.
    Around 60 millions Indians murdered and millions of Indian women raped and brutalised by the “peace loving” Muslims. Thousands of Indian cities reduced to rubble and their holy sites defiled and desecrated and turned into Mosques.
    Now that the Muslims are getting a dose of the same medicine that they have been handing out to the Indians for centuries, all the whining and bleating about “the suffering of poor Muslim minorities” in India, pops out of the Muslim victim box.
    You don´t get anything said by the “poor Muslim” victims in India, about the thousands of Indians, Sikhs and Christians being murdered in Pakistan and Bangladesh every week.

    • Champ ✿ says

      May 14, 2014 at 3:48 pm

      islam and company have been an evil scourge on humanity since the beginning.

    • Jeff says

      May 14, 2014 at 10:50 pm

      “Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversions, Imperialism, and Slavery”, by M.A. Khan is a very good book about Islam in India. You can get a free downloadable version.

    • voegelinian says

      May 15, 2014 at 12:21 pm

      “Now that the Muslims are getting a dose of the same medicine that they have been handing out to the Indians for centuries, all the whining and bleating about “the suffering of poor Muslim minorities” in India, pops out of the Muslim victim box.”

      Not only the Muslim victim box, but their Useful Idiots, who have a sizable number in India — probably literally millions of Indian Hindus who are diseased with PC MC (no doubt caused in great part by the protracted PTSD of having been traumatized and terrorized by Muslims over the centuries) carrying water for the millions of Muslims bristling like adders in cow’s hide among them.

  3. Kepha says

    May 14, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    I’m very willing to listen to Indian voices that criticize BJP-related pressure on India’s religious minorities–even if I am very anti-Jihad.

    I’ve had some contact with Christian Indians, including people from small Christian groups in northern India who descend from low-caste Hindus, “Syrian” Christians of ancient heritage from southern India, and fellow Calvinists drawn from the Tibeto-Burman peoples of India’s eastern end. All have expressed concerns about Hindutva groups.

    In Sinitic and Theravada Asia, I’ve lived close enough to Eastern religions (closer than the usual academic or cultural malcontent “Zen” adherent) to both appreciate some of their finer points and to note that their adherents are very much descendants of Old Adam the First (and hence share in the original sin, miseries of this life, death itself, and the pains of Hell forever, along with the rest of us), and can be as violent as anyone else when given the chance.

    As far back as 1979, I noted that the first blasts of what would later be called “Islamophobia” came from the secular Left, whose media and academics coined the unhappy term “Islamic fundamentalism”. A lot of this was to crow about the superiority of the evolutionary materialist worldview–as if we weren’t still in the midst of a century that had murdered roughly 170,000,000 people in the names of social justice, the dialectic, and “progress”.

    This being said, I’m not about to torch your local Vedanta Society or Kali Temple (we have lots of South Asian immigrants of all stripes where I live, and many of them I find quite likeable people). But I’d still be cautious about endorsing the BJP as the best alternative for India.

    Hopefully, India’s more or less free society will be able to come up with some alternatives to either Congress, BJP, the Communists, or various fissiparous movements.

    • Bhartiya says

      May 14, 2014 at 6:03 pm

      Again lies. Mr Kepha , do your own research rather than borrowing ideas from paid people.

      • Kepha says

        May 15, 2014 at 4:43 am

        I’m afraid I have done my own research, Friend Bhartiya.

        Look, we all honor our various deities (which goes for things like the Great Goddesses Historical Necessity, Mother Nature, and the like of Western Evolutionary Materialists, too), and we don’t like it when those only marginally attached to the cult detach and move away.

        • Bhartiya says

          May 15, 2014 at 5:24 am

          Kepha,

          It seems either you are coconut or non indian who has no clues on Bharat!

          It seems you still care for Bharat. Why don’t you give some suggestions who could be the best person to lead the nation!

          You must be envying Antonio , how was she so successful- which agencies have been working.

          Plenty of evidence forces keen to destabilise India.

          Gathering informations from friends is not research

    • Bharani Komandur says

      May 15, 2014 at 2:42 am

      Modi, in the current Indian politics, is the only Secular leader I can see. By the way, for the last few decades, people have changed the meaning of Secularism. So let met make it clear. Secularism means “a doctrine that rejects religion and religious considerations”. Or in simple terms, the state does not either give special treatment or victimize anyone on the basis of their religion. But in India and some other European countries, Secularism has meant to “appease Muslims”, to let them do what they want, even it if means going against the “Law of the Land”. When people have been brainwashed this way, you suddenly see a man who does his work quietly, and does not care about your religion. Whether you are a Hindu, or a Muslim, or a Sikh, or a Jew, or a Christian, he just does not care. His state policies are not discriminating in nature. This to some seems like Hindu Fundamentalist. What is the meaning of Hindutva? Hindutva means to belong to India, Putting the Country ahead of your religion. However, this is a big problem, and goes against the so-called Secular views, who have been brainwashed to appease. They expect Temples to go silent without the bells and aarti, because a Mosque has sprung up in the neighborhood. While one Babri Masjid, which was not in use for over a century, is a big issue, but demolition of 10,000 temples during Muslim rule does not even appear in our History books. Our pseudo-Seculars call Mughals as great rulers. What a pity. More than 60 Million non-Muslims have been killed in India under Islamic oppression of a 1000 years. This is not History?

    • voegelinian says

      May 15, 2014 at 12:24 pm

      This may well be an instance where well-meaning Christian evangelism is obstructing the more important exigencies of the Counter-Jihad. What good does it do the pragmatic needs of the Counter-Jihad for Christians to go into Indian society and stir up resentment amongst the Hindu population? It tends to serve to muddy the waters which should be clear to clarify the sole threat — Mohammedans reviving their perennial Jihad — a confusion which can be exploited by Muslims and their PC MC Useful Idiots in India.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        May 16, 2014 at 1:00 am

        Mate

        the church in India – Catholic and Protestant – is basically doing its *own* evangelism, these days. The Bible Society in India is staffed by *Indians* and the work of Bible translation into indigenous Indian languages is largely being done by *Indian* Christian scholars.

        And I would hazard the guess that the wild claims that people in India are *only* converting to Christianity because they are being tricked, bribed, threatened, etc – that ALL conversions are the result of those mean ol’ Christians being nasty dirty tricksy people taking advantage of the poor/ weak/ sick, etc – are …well…grossly exaggerated.

        Or do *you* in fact believe that no sane and intelligent and decent person would *ever* want to convert to Christianity out of any other religion? That this should be absolutely forbidden in every non-Western country? That Christian mission of *any* kind at all is, fundamentally, immoral?

        • voegelinian says

          May 18, 2014 at 1:13 pm

          Even if the Indian Christians are voluntarily and sincerely converting, if it exacerbates serious tensions with surrounding Hindu Indians, it introduces a counter-productive tension and distraction from the larger priority. It’s possible certain non-Christian non-Muslim Indians are exaggerating the problem (a sort of counterpart to the Western atheists we see exaggerating the supposed problems and dangers of Christians); but if they are not, then my point may stand.

  4. southeuropean says

    May 14, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    Good luck Modi and take it easy on the nuke botton

  5. M. Muthuswamy says

    May 14, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    How differently the church behaves in India, compared to the West is elucidated here: http://www.moorthymuthuswamy.com/Religious%20Apartheid%20in%20Modern%20India.html

    Check out my website, on the more “friendly” Islam!

  6. Geeta says

    May 15, 2014 at 5:17 am

    Glad to see this post on jihadwatch. Indeed Narendra Modi is one of the very few politicians in the world who will stand against terrorism.

  7. Lakshmanan says

    May 15, 2014 at 7:43 am

    Church is bribing heavily in south india and converting poor people is not a secret at all. The only solace for people like me is even though the Church was established in Europe 2000 years ago it is now in shambles there. Our converted poor people wont take that long to return to their original fold

  8. Meena says

    May 15, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Mr Bharat & Mr Kepha,

    Thank you for your well informed posts. I am a US citizen of Indian origin born & brought up in North India. I hate all supremist ideologies which try to instill fear in the minority. As a child I was reminded by fanatical Hindus that India was Hindustan and that I should leave Hindustan because I was a Christian (the small cross I wore gave my religion away). Later I came to Kerala and was impressed by most South Indians of all religions who were educated & open minded living in peace and harmony. I saw a huge difference between North & South like two worlds apart . Thank you to all Indians in advance who would protect the minority when politicians try to divide & rule.

    • Bharani Komandur says

      May 15, 2014 at 10:48 am

      Hi Meena, if Hindus were so narrow-minded, do you really think Islam and Christianity would have thrived in India? Hindus are the most tolerant people. Unfortunately, the hatred is being spread on Hindus, and not by the Hindus. When a Hindu is converted to Christianity by the Church, by luring them financially etc, it is not an issue. But when the same person wants to de-convert back to Hinduism, there is an uproar in all news channels. Is that not wrong? Let’s face it, Minorities in India are safe because Hindus are tolerant. The day Hindus become a minority in India, it is their end. Please also refer to what is happening Pakistan, Bangladesh, and other Islamic countries, where all non-Muslims are persecuted daily.

      • Meena says

        May 15, 2014 at 11:30 am

        Bharani,

        I do not know if you know the truth about Christ or Christianity. I have to chose to have a personal relation with Christ to become a Christian. See the movie 180 on the internet and you may be able to understand Christianity a little better.
        I have family members who chose Hinduism, some atheism & some Christianity. It is a personal choice in educated families. Everyone has their own personal reasons for believing & choosing their own paths. I would pray that every human being should be given the free choice to chose his religion and not have to fear reprisal for doing so.

        I would agree with you that Christians have it much harder in Muslim countries than in India. This is the reason there is Walid Shoebat and Jihad watch trying to open the eyes of the American people.

        Here in the US especially up in the mountains Christians would give their lives to protect the lives of anyone who is being persecuted. Ask the many Hindu doctors who have immigrated here for a better life and chose to be US citizens . They do not want to go back to Hindustan but prefer to live & raise their kids in the United States. Nobody has forced them to become Christians they can choose the religion of their choice.

  9. Meena says

    May 15, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    Amit you can call me any names you want , I am not angry I just feel sad that we humans have to come down to name calling.

    Most Hindus here remain Hindus as there is no compulsion in Christianity. I do not have to write my religion or age on any of my applications. People judge them by the content of their character & qualification, not by their faith .

    I never ever said Hindus are terrible. My best friend growing up was a Hindu. My friends here are of all different religions. There is the freedom of speech, you have the right to your opinion & I have mine. It would be more civil to state an opinion without name calling.

    • ron baneree says

      May 15, 2014 at 7:09 pm

      Perhaps you’d like to comment on what some of your Christian angels are doing in India. So what if Hindu nationalists occasionally turn against these type of Christians? Methinks they deserve what they get:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#India

      The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), a rebel group which seeks the secession of Tripura, North-East India, from the country, has been described as engaging in terrorist violence motivated by their Christian beliefs.

      Over 20 Hindus in Tripura were reported killed by the NLFT from 1999 to 2001 for resisting forced conversion to Christianity.[16] According to Hindus in the area, there have also been forced conversions of tribal villagers to Christianity by armed NLFT militants.[16] These forcible conversions, sometimes including the use of “rape as a means of intimidation”, have also been noted by academics outside of India.[17] John Joseph, the Christian representative of the National Minority Commission, stated in 2000 that foreign funds used for Roman Catholic terrorism in the northeast are routed through Christians in Kerala.[18]

      The National Socialist Council of Nagaland, Issac-Muivah faction (slogan: “Nagaland for Christ”), is accused of carrying out the 1992–1993 ethnic cleansing of Kuki tribes in Manipur, said to have leave over 900 people dead. During that NSCN-IM operation, 350 Kuki villages were driven out and about 100,000 Kukis were turned into refugees.[28]

      Nagaland is a Christian majority state in India. Many terrorist incidents have been documented there as a result of an insurgency against the government. This insurgency was originally led by the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN), who has indulged in terrorist activities varying from kidnapping, illegal drug trafficking, extortion, etc.[26] The group has committed religious violence, as a part of NSCN’s described mission of forcibly converting the animist Naga to Christianity. Other goals include the formation of a greater Nagaland. There are occasional reports of the NSCN using force to convert locals of neighboring states to Christianity.[27]

      • Meena says

        May 16, 2014 at 10:55 am

        ron baneree & JN
        Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles. Try writing any lies and you will be able to do so.
        Research the truth & truth will set you free. Learn about the Armenian Genocide & then you will understand why christians were forced to take up arms not because the Bible permitted it but for sheer survival against evil.
        I am a St Thomas Christian. My ancestors were converted by St Thomas . You might have to read up to understand this.
        Ask Bobby Jindal & other Christains in the world why they convert. They must have found something in Christianity which other religions do not provide. They might have seen light where darkness prevail.
        Kerala Christians have better things to do than to support any terrorist. Where there is 100% literacy Hindus, Muslims & Christians live in Peace and brotherhood even when outside forces try to inflame religious problems. I have visited Kerala many times and have seen the progress in the life of all people there. The roads are better, people are literate and poverty is very less compared to the rest of India. If the rest of India follow Kerala’s example all people will become prosperous. Education in Kerala is better than US public education where people have more choices. Medical care is cheaper and better in Kerala than in US hospitals.

        • JN says

          May 16, 2014 at 4:23 pm

          1) Spanish inquisitions are an example of christians murdering other christians simply because of their faith. If you think this is a lie, I would suggest you go and educate yourself. Christians in the past were no better than the muslims. Try watching the movie “agora”. You will find out how a “pagan” woman philosopher needed to be killed (in a most gory way) for christian “survival”
          2) People like Bobby Jindal convert out of sheer political opportunism. There is also the little fact of bible belt America not being so very tolerant. Let us talk about christian “tolerance” after America has had a non christian president, shall we?
          3) Sure, there are people who convert to christianity because of personal convictions just as there are people who convert to hinduism out of personal convictions. The difference is according to christian philosophy a person that abandons Christ is destined for purgatory. In the hindu philosophy all paths lead to the same God. As a hindu I can appreciate both Buddha and Christ and believe both to be an incarnation of God on earth. But you as a christian would be doomed to hell (according to your philosophy) if you call Buddha as a son/incarnation of God
          4) What is your point about Kerala? Christians are not a majority there. If anything, you should commend the tolerance of the hindus of the past that welcomed St. Thomas and others in their midst without harming them.

        • southeuropean says

          May 16, 2014 at 4:54 pm

          Do u feel better now,knowing of the inquisition? In the same time the Christianity and its liberal and humaine basis was an inspiration for the fathers of the modern democracies. The Quran could never be so. It is a facshist manifesto. And u find it normal if the muslim society is full of technology and in the same time in complete religious darkness regarding the human rights? Madness and hypocricy. At least in the era of the inquisition the people were iliterate. So…that is an excuse.

    • JN says

      May 15, 2014 at 9:10 pm

      Christians learnt tolerance only in the last 300 years. Before that they were as intolerant as the muslims today. Read a bit on spanish inquisitions.
      If you knew anything about Hinduism you would have known that the very idea of Hinduism is a personal endeavor to seek the truth/God/salvation. How you choose to seek this is up to you. The basis of Hinduism is that all people are part of “vasudeva kutumbum” (God’ family) and all prayers are so that “sarve janaha sukino bavantu” (that all people may be happy) and that all paths lead to the same goal .
      Many of us hindus chose to remain hindus because hinduism does not pigeon hole you into a specific belief. It does not force you into a “my way or the highway”. If you are happy in US as a Christian, then good for you. Of course, I sure hope you did not have to become a christian to advance your career in USA like Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley. At least in India we have political leaders who belong to religions other than hindu.

      • Meena says

        May 17, 2014 at 1:12 am

        JN
        You will have to read up more to know about St Thomas & who killed him. Kerala is very different because there is 100% literacy . Hindus, Muslims & Christians respect each other & do not threaten each other. They will not vote for anyone who will create communal strife. Christians represent a much larger percentage of the population of Kerala than of India considered as a whole.
        Your knowledge about Christianity is poor. If you can watch the internet movie 180 you might be able to understand Christianity and freedom of choice a little better.
        Do you know why the West became developed improving the standard of living for all it people.? It is Christianity and the freedom it gave for modern technology & advancements.
        Congratulations on Modi winning the elections in the North. I pray he protects the basic human rights of minorities.
        Life is very busy here and I will not be able to post anymore. Thanks ! we have been able to have an open discussion without name calling. I appreciate this very much.

        • JN says

          May 17, 2014 at 1:09 pm

          1) I did read about St. Thomas. There is very little evidence that he was “killed” as you claim. This rumor that he was killed seems to have started many centuries after he died
          2) You are the one who seems to know very little about christianity since your knowledge is from internet movie 180. For your information, I am well read in both the old testament and the new testament. I repeat – christian were as intolerant as the muslims until about the 18th century. Even in the 20th century, the role of the church in Hitler’s rise is quite troubling.
          3)Christianity never had a role in scientific or technological advancements. Remember Galileo? That happened in 1642. That was the typical church behavior – put to death any scientist whose finding was considered “heretic”. Scientific advancements happened when people ignored the church and its teachings and after the church lost it power.

  10. S R Wakankar says

    May 15, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    All faiths and religions have sprung up from the Holy Ved (the most ancient Holy Word) which is in Sanskrit-the mother of all languages.
    Hindu religion is like sky or ocean; its origin or depth is unknown, it is beyond comprehension, just limitless. As sky cannot be fenced or ocean cannot be stored, it is boundless and infinite.
    In theses ancient Holy Books, we have the most Original Copy of the Word of God; others are the Photocopies.
    This original copy is what is known as the Hindu Dharma or religion.

    • Meena says

      May 21, 2014 at 2:08 pm

      I agree the mother of all religion is paganism and the mother of all travel is the bullock cart. I would rather take a plane today than take a bullock cart

  11. Frans Groenendijk says

    May 16, 2014 at 2:40 am

    Yes! NaMo wins landslide victory! Congresparty crushed.
    Good news for India, good news for the world.

  12. JN says

    May 16, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    southeuropean:
    “In the same time the Christianity and its liberal and humaine basis was an inspiration for the fathers of the modern democracies. ”

    Father’s of modern democracies were more “humanist” than christian, I would say. Christianity from 1st – 18th century was as intolerant as islam always has been.

    “At least in the era of the inquisition the people were iliterate. So…that is an excuse.”

    No, they were not. They were for the most part very literate, scholarly even. Take for example the catholics and protestants that murdered each other during the time of the tudors. Most of the damage was caused by the literate folks like the kings and his advisors. The poor illiterate farmers were caught in between.

  13. dumbledoresarmy says

    May 19, 2014 at 8:15 am

    Those Indian posters here present who are repeating various accusations against Christians and Christianity, and any who think that Christianity and Islam are essentially the same kind of thing, would do well to read Mr Spencer’s own two books “Not Peace but a Sword” and “Religion of Peace: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn’t”.

    Before he began studying Islam, Mr Spencer did his university degree on the subject of early Christianity. He knows his subject.

    Another interesting writer – who has a *deep* knowledge of the cultural context in which Christianity arose and spread in its first centuries of life, and after – is David Bentley Hart. He has written four books well worth reading – “The Doors of the Sea”, “Atheist Delusions: The Christian Revolution and Its Fashionable Enemies” (which tackles a whole bunch of accusations commonly made against the church, from the so-called Enlightenment onward) and “The Beauty of the Infinite: The Aesthetics of Christian Truth”, which is a sustained account of what it actually *is* that Christians believe, and why. Last but not least – “The Story of Christianity” which is a historically accurate and honest overview of the history of the Christian faith in all the places where it has gone. He doesn’t cover up the failures; but he also shows that any blanket dismissal of Christianity is foolish and ill-informed and that many of the accusations commonly made against Christianity and Christians, whether made by westerners or by non-westerners, are at best half-truths and are, quite often, false.

    Furthermore: not *one* of the many Christian missionaries I have known in my forty years of life within the church, nor any of those whose autobiographies I have read, would ever have *dreamed* of offering someone money or anything else as a “bribe” or “payment” for converting. Nor of forcing someone to convert.

    In the Gospels, Jesus gives no such command. He does not tell his followers to kill people for not believing, nor does he tell them to bribe people, or lie to them, or trick them, or to refuse to give them charity *unless* they convert. I dare our critics to read the four Gospels and find *any* passage in which Jesus tells his disciples to do *anything* to people to force, trick or bribe them into becoming his followers.

    And let it be known that within the whole of the New Testament there is nothing like the Islamic apostasy law. The later medieval church copied some very bad habits from Islam, and did punish people for “apostasy” and “blasphemy” ; but in so doing it deviated from its blueprint, for within the Christian scripture there is *nothing* that tells Christians to kill a fellow Christian if that person leaves the faith.

    Personally – and I am a practising Christian – I hold that people should be free to publicly practise their faith, free to peacefully explain its tenets to others, free to *invite* others to join (while fully accepting the right of those others to *refuse*), and free to *change* their religion if they so choose….as well as being free to become an atheist and believe in no god or gods at all. I will not disown or attack or kill my children if they leave my faith. I would be sad if they did leave; but I would not harm them or punish them in any way.

    Furthermore, given that all my life I have heard a barrage of criticism directed against my faith both from people within my own western culture and from people outside of it, I nevertheless hold that *no* faith, belief system or ideology should be placed above and beyond criticism and question.

    Since it is clear that Hindus feel free to criticise Christianity and Christians – often repeating almost verbatim the kinds of attacks that are and have been levelled at Christianity from within Western culture, by westerners – then why should they seem to be demanding, at the same time, that their own system of belief be exempt from critique and question?

    And what do they propose to do to people who *leave*? Imitating Islam’s methods and killing or otherwise persecuting those who have left Hinduism, or trying to force them to return, does not look good to intelligent and decent outsiders.

    PS The claim, proposed by one of the Indian posters above, that Indian immigrants to the West must convert to Christianity if they want to be accepted and get ahead socially and economically, is simply silly. The overall atmosphere toward Christianity and practising Christians, in large chunks of modern Western society, is either hostile or indifferent; being known as a Christian will not earn one any extra points at all; if anything, rather the reverse.

    • JN says

      May 19, 2014 at 5:14 pm

      1) I do not deny that Christ did not endorse murder. However, the history of the church from the time of the Roman empire until around 17/18 centuries is a bloody one. In that respect christians were no different from muslims
      2) It is not just Indian immigrants that need to convert. I find it hard to believe that Obama would have been elected if he had been a muslim. America does not have a jewish president either. I find it rather hypocritical that American christians should try to preach “tolerance” to Indians (and hindus) who have had presidents and prime ministers from non hindu faith.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        May 20, 2014 at 4:00 am

        I am Australian, not American.

        In Australia, we have had a PM who was a publicly-declared *atheist*. We have also had two Governors-General who were Jews – Sir Isaac Isaacs and Sir Zelman Cowen.

        Although our Jewish community is a tiny percentage of our population, we have at present three Jewish MPs in federal parliament. I would not be surprised if in future we get MPs who are Buddhist or Hindu, given the number of Buddhists and HIndus who have immigrated (which is, thankfully, larger than the number of Muslims; and at present the rate of increase of Buddhists is larger than that of the Muslims!).

        I think you place far too much significance upon the US presidency; I don’t think it proves the point that you seem to be trying to make it prove, namely, that in the modern western world Hindus (or other non-Christian persons) are either offered incentives specifically to “bribe” them to convert to Christianity, or are discriminated against, for not converting. That’s what happens in Muslim countries; it *doesn’t* happen in the modern western world, where discriminating against someone on the basis of their religion is *illegal*.

        As for Christian history: I repeat, read Mr Spencer’s books before you go claiming that Christianity is or has been no different from Islam.

        You should remember, however, that from the 7th century to the 18th, both Eastern and Western Christendom were fighting for their lives in self-defence against the Muslim Jihad. That continual warfare – that need to be on a constant “war footing” – damaged them physically, spiritually, psychologically and politically. But that they did not ultimately lose their soul in the process – and I do not think they lost their soul, they *did* I think manage to avoid (though at times, just barely) becoming a mere mirror image of what they were fighting – is remarkable.

        To get an idea of just how badly, read Emmet Scott, “Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited”, and “The Impact of Islam”.

        The items at the following few links will give you some idea of what the first book is about.

        http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/41348
        Saturday, 31 March 2012
        Mohammed & Charlemagne Revisited: The Epilogue

        http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/42085
        Friday, 18 May 2012
        How Islam Killed Greco-Roman Civilization

        http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/43460
        Tuesday, 14 August 2012
        The Baron Reviews Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited

        And here’s a short review of “The IMpact of Islam”.

        http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/51375
        Friday, 20 December 2013
        The Impact of Islam by Emmet Scott

        It may be that both “the West” and India are – in their different ways – *wounded* civilisations. Neither was able to become what it should have become, because both were savaged and crippled by the monster that is the Ummah, and *both*, each in their different ways, endured a psychological warping.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          May 20, 2014 at 4:04 am

          Clarification.

          When I wrote, “That’s what happens in Muslim countries” I should probably have written, “That’s the sort of thing that Muslims do to non-Muslims in Muslim countries” (i.e. pressure and bribe them to convert to Islam, and discriminate against them if they don’t).

        • southeuropean says

          May 20, 2014 at 10:30 am

          Someone is being paranoid that being Christian would necessary mean being less patriotic or loyal to India…

        • JN says

          May 20, 2014 at 8:11 pm

          dumbledoresarmy:
          I apologize for mistaking you for American instead of Australian.
          1) The racist attacks on Indians that have been perpetrated by Australians on Indians in recent years does not give me much of an opinion of “tolerant” christians in Australia either.
          2) Governor general? Is that not someone that is “appointed” rather than elected? Can we come back to this subject after you have elected a non christian (or a christian turned atheist) person as prime minister?
          3) I am not here to “prove” anything. I repeat, I agree that Jesus Christ never taught violence unlike Mohammad. However, the christians up until 18th century definitely were intolerant. I am not talking about the crusades specifically. I am actually happy that Christians fought the muslims because that saved the rest of India (Pakistan and Afghanistan were already lost). You can study how indigenous population were converted – when preaching did not succeed other inducements including torture was employed. It happened in India too – Portuguese in Goa for example. (British on the other hand were more fair in their treatment, and I do acknowledge that)
          4) There is no war between Hindus and Christians. Most Hindus do admire the person of Jesus Christ (and do not admire mohammad if they bother to learn about him). But modern ideals of egalitarianism, tolerance, democracy etc. are products of human thought that have spanned centuries and civilizations. Christians did not invent that and do not hold the patent for that. Hindus have nothing, repeat , nothing to learn from christianity on the subject of tolerance.

        • Meena says

          May 21, 2014 at 2:22 pm

          Thank you for your informative post. Here in America it is political correctness gone blind. We respect your straight shooting Prime Minister and pray we will have someone like her one day.

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