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Did Jihad Watch “refuse” to take down a story found to be inaccurate? Of course not.

May 18, 2014 8:51 pm By marc

emailI must say I saw this coming the moment I learnt that there were no three Italian women fined for wearing bikinis. Despite the fact that 99.99% of stories published on Jihad Watch are indisputable fact, one time that Robert posted a story in good faith that turned out to be inaccurate, the destroyers of free speech jump all over it. Nathan Lean, the former editor-in-chief of Reza Aslan’s Aslan Media, has published a piece falsely claiming that Robert “refuses” to take the story down even after knowing it was false, despite the fact that he actually took it down immediately upon learning it was not accurate, several days before Lean’s piece appeared. Lean uses screenshots to “prove” that despite Robert having been advised in comments that the story was inaccurate, refused to “pull it,” which in fact, of course, he did immediately. Funny enough, we had a discussion about that on the day the story was pulled, May 11, as you can see here — six days before Lean published his screed.

Now this is not going to be easy to explain, so please bear with me.

Lean’s false claim can be seen here, the screenshot published by Lean can be seen here, and I have saved copy on the server here. You can see he shows a drop down from his clock showing the date to be May 17, 2014. However, a few small details show that this screenshot is not authentic:

screen-shot-2014-05-17-at-12-07-43-pm1. The “Login to Comment” and “Sign up for our Daily Digest” on the right sidebar are not bold, and there is a faint line between them.

2. Notice that he has “scrolled down” a bit, so the logo is cut off, and that the expected browser scroll bar on the right is missing.

Here is why these points matter:

lean-liar_proof21. The funny thing is, that Robert asked me to make those “Login to Comment” and “Sign up for our Daily Digest” buttons bolder a couple of weeks back, and I’d only just gotten around to it on Tuesday, May 13. Here is a Google cache image of this story after I made the change, on the 15th. Notice the difference between this and Lean’s screenshot: the wording is now centered and bolder, and the separating line is now missing. This indicates that Lean’s screenshot is not from May 17, as he claimed, but from before May 13.

2. Why scroll down that little bit? And what sort of browser doesn’t have a scroll bar when a page is too long to fit on the screen all at once? Well, that’s easily explained: as with every story on Jihad Watch, Google feeds on it, caching it. It appears Lean found a cached image from before the story was pulled. He scrolled down a bit to remove the fact is was a cache, and did a screen grab just shy of the scroll bar, showing Saturday’s date, the date he published his piece. This gave the appearance that the story was still live on Saturday, even though it had been taken down almost a week earlier.

In fact, Google and many others still have caches, they will always have a cache, and these caches are beyond our control. Many offices have “caching proxies” that will continue to serve old versions if they find that the new page says “404 page not found,” but despite Lean being told repeatedly that the page was removed days ago, he continues to repeat his false claim.

Also, if you look at the cached version of the story or Lean’s screenshots, you’ll notice that there was a massive flurry of activity in the comments section of this story. It suddenly stops after a few hours on May 11, when the story was pulled. If the story had been up for six more days after that, as Lean claims, why did everyone stop commenting? Of course the reason why the flurry of commenting stops abruptly is that you can’t comment on a cached page, and the live page had been taken down.

Anyone can browse through Jihad Watch stories. Google will have the last changed version, and you can easily confirm what I am saying about the date the “Login to Comment” and “Sign up for our Daily Digest” changed by searching, pick one and search Google by the title in quotes, check the cached date and you will see.

But all of this is distracting from the real issue: a lot of completely accurate stories don’t ring true these days. The world has gone so crazy that there are so many similar indisputable examples of Sharia imposition in Europe, pork banned is schools, UK Law accepting Sharia lesser worth of women, Koran teacher who raped a child let off are just recent ones that explain why the initial story was not so hard to believe. Another reason why Lean’s claims are all pretty irrelevant is that if the story were true, and I was Italian, I’d be angry with the courts, not Muslims.

I do wonder if Lean (who has knowingly lied about Robert in the past, distorting his academic record and refusing to retract when confronted with the evidence) is paid by the same people who are paying to have had this site under constant DDoS attack, which it has now been under for more than 2 months, using commercial “DDoS for hire” botnets. The effort they go to to shut down free speech using any method just convinces me that what is being said here is of great importance.

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Comments

  1. John C. Barile says

    May 18, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    Introspective, constructive self-criticism is a mark of integrity and service to the truth; Nathan Lean and his paymasters possess nil.

  2. Jay Boo says

    May 18, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    “Fact is stranger than fiction” with Islam.

    Islam’s legacy is filled with such seemingly unbelievable horror stories that Reza Aslan and Nathan Lean should lift their heads out of Islam’s toilet bowl of denial and come up for a breathe of fresh air instead of nit-picking and distorting on a story about bikinis.

  3. jihad3tracker says

    May 18, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    So Nathan comes up for air again ??

    YO DUDE !! YOU READ EVERYTHING ON JIHADWATCH BECAUSE YOUR OWN CAREER IS IN THE MUHAMMAD’S TOILET…

    This shows how worried traitors like him are — because Boko Haram totally f*cked up — kidnapping Nigerian girls and giving clueless Americans several weeks or months more of news on Islam’s pathology.

    For readers here who are not familiar with human pond scum, Lean is the wannabe thug who takes out John Esposito’s pet bird droppings at Georgetown University’s Saudi-money taqiyyist ACMCU propaganda orifice.

    He scans Craigslist for janitor jobs, but none answered. Sad, very sad. Dreams of possessing balls, but none found. Sad, very sad.

    Lean sent threatening emails to Robert Spencer about family harm — and those emails were forwarded to the FBI. Type his name into the JW search box here to find out what happened.

    Pathetic Muslims who are trapped in the pathology which they willingly swear obedience to do not realize how they telegraph situational desperation by pulling such antics as evidenced here.

    • Vivienne Leijonhufvud (goldie) says

      May 19, 2014 at 8:36 am

      As an Italian descendant from Northern Italy whether this story is inaccurate or not I personally would not put it past Islam to impose its archaic regulations in particular to Southern Italy Taomina. Frankly a judge can bought from time to time and many Italians are incensed by the onslaught of Arabs landing on the shores of Lampadussa. In Northern Italy men are segregated and under close scrutiny and security! Italy has now taken on an Egyptian Coptic as assistant to Pope Francis, who indeed takes note of what is happening. Europe cannot be dominated by despicable Sharia law. Most of the rest of Europe panders way too much to this ignorant law and religion. True or false, besmirching Robert Spencer’s clean reputation is purely political. I will continue to follow Jihad Watch as it is essential to be aware of the desire of Islam to dominate and impose a third Caliphate. Two years ago Moslems attempted to demand crucifixes be removed from all Catholic classrooms? The demand was overturned I was in Italy at the time. This news hit the evening and daily news. The report in this article is a possible scenario if steps are not taken.

      • Alex Davyduke says

        May 19, 2014 at 10:30 am

        Hello Marc,

        I wonder who “planted” the false story about Italian women being fined $3,500 ? I suspect this could become a common tactic–if it isn’t already–to feed false stories to create an impression that Jihad Watch is an unreliable source. Which it is not.

        Marc, I like how you exposed the dishonest claim that the Bikini story “was still up on Jihad Watch,” when almost for certain it is simply a Google “Cached” version.

        The weasel move of “scrolling down” and hiding the Google-cached-search heading was a simple ploy. Thankfully, you noticed that the page did not show the changes you made on the right hand side and therefore could not “current” on the date as claimed by Lean.

        It’s truly ironic–that this “believable” Italian story is a hoax—and does not take away from the fact that that Europe is slowly being subjugated to Sharia Law. Look this story from a couple years ago about Dagestan, one of the countries, though not quite on the border with Western Europe, is not too far away.

        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/30/terror-attacks-escalate-against-women-in-bikinis-in-russia-s-dagestan.html#

        Because she wears a regular bathing suit, and not a burka, the school teacher has her leg blown off by an anti-personnel mine placed under the sand in the volleyball court. That’s even more effective than a 3,500 dollar fine. Sharia message sent.

        Muslim accommodation in the West is creeping forward one small step at a time, and eventually will becoming to a beach near you…

        Alex

        • marc says

          May 19, 2014 at 10:58 am

          The original source was just a satire site, I can’t see it was intentional, Blazing Cat Fur was caught out, and they are a trusted source…
          Really this satire is poor as it’s just too possible, if the story was about a burka clad woman that was fined because bikini wearing Italians had complained, that would be good satire.

        • voegelinian says

          May 19, 2014 at 1:48 pm

          “Really this satire is poor as it’s just too possible…”

          One shouldn’t rule out the possibility that this was a test run for future more plausible attempts.

  4. Larry S says

    May 18, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    I’ve long been a little concerned that bloggers like Robert could be duped by a hoax and made to appear a bit gullible. So haw-haw, they managed to put one over on him. I suppose a small notice when the post was taken down to the effect that “jihadwatch regrets the error” might have been in order.

    But what a dishonest sleazebag this Lean guy must be. Robert has gone to considerable effort to expose the little fraudster for what he is, and I’d say has effectively exposed Lean’s utter lack of integrity.

  5. Larry S says

    May 18, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    Of course, I meant marc did an effective job of exposing Lean for the fraudster that he is!

  6. mortimer says

    May 18, 2014 at 10:56 pm

    Natan Lean is a jihadist. I bet he watches beheading videos for thrills.

  7. Saleem Smith says

    May 19, 2014 at 12:24 am

    Nathan Lean is a committed Muslim, and like all committed Muslims, he is willing to lie and defame anyone who dares to criticize Islamic theology.

    Spencer is just his latest obsession.

    So sorry, Nathan, but the future must belong to “those who dare to criticize the prophet of Islam” – much to Obama’s chagrin.

  8. Alan says

    May 19, 2014 at 12:34 am

    The ddos attacks indicate how important this site is in exposing the 1400 year old crime against humanity that is ISLAM. It is pathetic how after globally visible crimes like Koran inspired stealing of CHRISTIAN children by MUSLIMS of BOKO HARAM the MSM trots out denial-pieces written by Western based MUSLIMS of their Hijra about how “unislamic” ISLAM’s purely Koranic inspired deeds are. Thank goodness for non-MSM sources like JW.

  9. Alan says

    May 19, 2014 at 12:52 am

    As a non-Muslim not living in the USA, I am concerned that the average freedom loving American seems to be blissfully unaware that there is a petro-dollar financed jihad by MUSLIMS and HAMAS type fronts like CAIR aimed at destroying America as the leader of the Judeo-Christian world. ISLAM is in a perpetual JIHAD against America, yet its people are so naive about Islam and its evil that they vote for someone with a Muslim name to be their president… He must be a Saudi financed and backed Taqiyya artist…

  10. Steffen Larsen says

    May 19, 2014 at 2:20 am

    I certainly never saw the bikini story, and I look in here at least once practically every day, and have done so for many years.

    Robert Spencer depends on his sources. We often have had reviewers calling him a liar, but he only reports the facts as reported by the media. And they can be wrong.
    Some of his posts are updated/corrected, some are removed.

  11. Rita says

    May 19, 2014 at 4:24 am

    testing

  12. ECAW says

    May 19, 2014 at 4:34 am

    Nathan Lean is a nasty piece of work. Here is the Belgian scholar Koenraad Elst taking his book “The Islamophobia Industry” apart:

    http://koenraadelst.blogspot.fr/2012/12/islamophobia-concept-and-polemic.html

    • logdon says

      May 19, 2014 at 5:09 am

      ECAW.

      Excellent link and further delving reveals some very interesting stuff on the recent triumph in India by Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata party (BNP).

      Here’s another link and what a snub to Islam?

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/16/narenda-modi-bjp-sweep-power-indian-elections.

      Remember Indians are at the sharp end of all of this with a high level of Muslim citizens and a belligerent Pakistan to the north.

      The result is a huge step in the right direction and as Islam flexes its aggressive muscles so too does the pushback.

      This is the kind of democracy Obama hates because its not his kind of faux democracy which would enable the Muslim Brotherhood or ISIS in Syria and Libya.

      Whilst we in the west dabble in the dilletanteism of political correctness those who neighbour Islam know the truth of this outrageous dogma.

      Watch as he attempts to blackmail India as he did with Egypt.

  13. JohnyAngel Advocacy Group says

    May 19, 2014 at 4:47 am

    Azlan is unimportant and only attempts to smear…even those that are not in error and completely reliable. I am quite sure the people who have any idea of you and/or your dedication to truth, will not need any further evidence. Those that do will most likely never believe anyway. Though one be raised from the dead…still they will not believe !

  14. duh_swami says

    May 19, 2014 at 5:38 am

    Looks like it’s, ‘any old port in a storm’, for desperate Nathan…If you want to catch Robert at something, a story about bikini’s is a really weak topic to do it to do it with. Can’t you come up with something a little more meaningful Nathan?

  15. FatherJon says

    May 19, 2014 at 6:10 am

    Storm in a teapot really. if the story isn’t true, it’s just as likely to be elsewhere.
    Muslims are notoriously puritanical about female flesh, terrified of it while at the same time slathering over it, especially the flesh of non-Muslim women.

  16. Max Publius says

    May 19, 2014 at 6:20 am

    Nathan Lean will say anything to please his Muslim wife. Must be the first female that looked at him nice, probably for immigration papers. Lean and Esposito are sick enough to say that constant death threats from jihadists are worth the pittance gained by exposing Islamist terror, yet its Lean and Esposito who take gobs of actual terrorist money–yes, the Saudis are actual terrorists, and so are the banal Muslims in CAIR et al who enable Islamic terrorism.
    Ironically, it’s now Nathan Lean who has the false story up (not that the rest of his stories aren’t riddled with false assertions).

  17. Max Publius says

    May 19, 2014 at 6:23 am

    Nathan Lean and Reza Aslan are fairly young and will see their life’s work smoldering in ashes before they are even retired. They will be lucky to escape Vidkor Quisling’s fate.

  18. Tradewinds says

    May 19, 2014 at 8:23 am

    Lean and other Dhimmis like esposito and the goons and thugs of cair are all mentally ill, stricken by the disease of Islam, and should be receiving intensive psychiatric help. They should not be walking among us and spreading their vile propaganda.

  19. David says

    May 19, 2014 at 8:27 am

    We’ve had Muslims here in Australia go onto beaches & tell the girls in bikinis to cover up, so even though the story was false it wasn’t far off the mark.

  20. Transmaster says

    May 19, 2014 at 9:50 am

    lean Nathan comes from the same 5th columnists in academia that produced His magnificence Obama. In this fantasy land all the world troubles are caused by the United States and the Zionist conspiracy. With the demise of the communist cause de celebre these academic charlatans where adrift for something to make them seem relevant. They discovered the Palestinians poor people dispossessed by those evil Zionist Jews. Islam replaced communism, and the social engineering part was nicely filled by Global cooling/warming/climate change, and now climate disruption. The fantasies of social, and geo-politcal academia could continue. The internet must have been a dream come true now these professors could get the word out, the facts where irrelevant the end justified the means. The evil Zionist, Demon United States, and the first world destroying the planet. Jihadists beheading, flying planes in to skyscrapers, blowing up market places, and weddings, massacres of non Muslims, forced conversions, forced marriages, honor killing, the murder of thousands it is ignored or dismissed as non-Islamic and caused by, you guessed it the evil United States, and it’s Zionist allies. This academic malpractice is the legacy of the Vietnam War and the people who used college deferments to stay out of the draft. They continued through graduate school , and finally with their PhD they settled down to a life in academia where they are spreading their hate for United States, Zionism, the first world. and evil male white Anglo Saxon protestants. Defending Islam, phooey they are just a tool a means to an end.

  21. Angemon says

    May 19, 2014 at 9:57 am

    It’s one thing to come on the same day, or the day after the act and say “Look, Robert Spencer is posting a satirical piece as being actual events”. It’s another thing to fake a screenshot days after the piece was taken down and try to make it seem JW refused to take it down. This is not only a proof of their lack of honesty but also of their character – their end is more important than the means they use, and if they have to lie then so be it, it’s just another day at the office for them. Despicable excuses for human beings.

  22. duh_swami says

    May 19, 2014 at 10:06 am

    It is a fact that Allah and his minions do not like’ uncovered meat’. Just seeing a little, even a glance ruins their entire day.
    Also, don’t forget that bouncing boobs cause earthquakes.
    I don’t remember Robert taking that one down Nathan, maybe you can get some mileage out of that.

    • Salah says

      May 19, 2014 at 11:41 am

      “It is a fact that Allah and his minions do not like’ uncovered meat’.”

      Speaking of “uncovered meat”, did you know that Muhammad himself used to hug and kiss people…NAKED?

      http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/03/muhammad-and-nudity-mahomet-et-la.html

  23. dsinc says

    May 19, 2014 at 10:18 am

    OT

    Marc, hope you are reading these comments. I have been trying to access JihadWatch on my Blackberry 8520 but it opens a page saying “You are being redirected” and then stops. I don’t know if there is a problem with that link, or there is a problem with getting onto JihadWatch with the phone. Could you help with this?

    • marc says

      May 19, 2014 at 10:35 am

      This should work for you…

      Go to Browser->Options->Browser Configuration->Scroll down->Enable “Support JavaScript”->Save Options

      there is some social media popup when you first visit causing this in some browsers where javascript is disabled.

      let me know how you get on.

      • dsinc says

        May 19, 2014 at 4:30 pm

        Thanks Marc. Checked Javascript. It was enabled. Still no joy.

        • marc says

          May 20, 2014 at 2:07 pm

          sorry, i’m really unable to help, blackberries are very closed architecture.

  24. CGW says

    May 19, 2014 at 11:09 am

    marc,

    I just wanted to let you know what a fantastic job you’re doing at JW. It’s a relief to many of us knowing that such a capable, devoted individual “has Robert’s back”, especially given the intense, unceasing hostility directed at him. It always amazes me – although it really shouldn’t – the caliber of the people who support him, and just how stalwart and talented they really are in pursuit of our Goals and devotion to our Cause. Then again, some people just like him, because of the incredible person he is. Maybe you’re both.

    In any case, keep up the good work – the Good Work. Although Virtue, and in this case Righteousness, is its own reward, I daresay you’ll have even more to look forward to. When you look at Robert’s supporters and detractors, they pretty clearly line up along lines of Good and Evil, don’t you think?

    It’s good to know where you stand.

    CGW

    • gravenimage says

      May 19, 2014 at 12:51 pm

      CGW wrote:

      marc,

      I just wanted to let you know what a fantastic job you’re doing at JW. It’s a relief to many of us knowing that such a capable, devoted individual “has Robert’s back”…
      ………………………….

      Hear, hear!

      • marc says

        May 19, 2014 at 1:40 pm

        I do what I can, increasing Roberts exposure, providing availability of the site and the commenting feature.

        I am a little restricted in what I could and would like to do, bound by code of ethics I am signed up to with EC-Council and ISC2.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      May 19, 2014 at 6:14 pm

      Seconded. Thanks mate (this to Marc).

  25. Just A Concerned Citizen says

    May 19, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    For what it’s worth (admittedly not much), this same story was also printed as fact in the local Arabic newspaper here in Bahrain just last weekend. I was bemused, although not surprised–very pleased to know that it was only satire. But maybe satire that hits just a little too close to reality.

    • marc says

      May 19, 2014 at 12:55 pm

      lol, how “islamophobic” of those Bahrainies

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      May 19, 2014 at 6:15 pm

      Didn’t the Iranians once take seriously – and republish – a story invented by “The Onion”??

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        May 19, 2014 at 6:19 pm

        I just did a quick google trawl and here it is.

        http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/28/world/iran-news-agency-duped/

        Anybody who hasn’t heard about this one, click and read.

        ROFLMAO.

      • Angemon says

        May 19, 2014 at 6:20 pm

        I remember something like that, the iranians (or the saudis, can’t really remember) took a satirical piece saying Obama claiming to be a muslim as being real news.

  26. gravenimage says

    May 19, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Did Jihad Watch “refuse” to take down a story found to be inaccurate? Of course not.
    …………………………………

    This is, in fact, the very reason I trust Jihad Watch so much.

    These stories come in from all over the world, yet they are carefully vetted and use large, reputable mainstream sources wherever possible.

    Robert Spencer and the JW board then often do updates and—when needed—corrections. I’ve been reading here since 2006 and this is perhaps the third story I’ve seen posted here that turned out to be inaccurate, and like the others it came down immediately. I’m not sure if the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal has such an excellent record.

    Here’s an ironic aspect of this story: this is actually one of the *least* appalling stories covered here.

    Oh, it would have been an ugly bit of dhimmitude and Infidel enforcement of Shari’ah norms, but *nothing* compared to stories about the judge in Australia who left a Muslim pedophile free to stalk children in the streets of Melbourne because such is his “culture”, or the judge in New Jersey who did the same winking at marital rape.

    “Australia: Muslim pedophile not charged because of ‘cultural differences’ still stalking children”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/australia-muslim-pedophile-not-charged-because-of-cultural-differences-still-stalking-children

    It’s also nothing compared to the utter horror of recent stories of Muslim savagery: the kidnapping, mass rape, and sexual enslavement of Nigerian schoolgirls; the brutal killing of an 8-year-old child by a Mullah in Afghanistan on her “wedding night”; the horrifying attack on the Northgate Mall in Kenya; on and on.

    “Afghanistan: 8-year-old bride of mullah bleeds to death on her wedding night”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/05/afghanistan-8-year-old-bride-of-mullah-bleeds-to-death-on-her-wedding-night

    And now the sleazy David Lean is trying to pretend that he has “caught out” Jihad Watch on this story.

    This is false—but his goal is *this*—that if doubt can be cast on *any* story at Jihad Watch, that—supposedly—they are all suspect.

    Ludicrously, he writes:

    “The point of this story: don’t believe the wild anti-Muslim tales you read on the Internet.”

    http://nathanlean.com/2014/05/17/saudi-muslims-fine-bikini-clad-italians-3500-nope-its-a-hoax/

    As noted, this story is not actually “wild” at all.

    The bad news for Nathan Lean and Reza Aslan and all the Muslim apologists is *that they stories of Muslim savagery just keep coming*.

    Do they care about all this Muslim savagery? Of course not—they save their outrage and indignation for Italian satires.

    Here’s an interesting update. Nathan Lean writes:

    “Next: Marc claims that the fact that the comments on the piece in question suddenly stop on May 11 proves that the piece was inactive. But that assumes that the comments on Robert Spencer’s diary site are published automatically, without an approval process by the moderator. They are not.”

    Well, anyone who has ever posted here knows that what Nathan Lean claims is completely incorrect. Comments *are not* monitored, and barring the occasional technical glitch *do* post both automatically and immediately.

    But no one should be surprised by his inaccurate claims.

    • Mirren10 says

      May 20, 2014 at 7:29 am

      “Next: Marc claims that the fact that the comments on the piece in question suddenly stop on May 11 proves that the piece was inactive. But that assumes that the comments on Robert Spencer’s diary site are published automatically, without an approval process by the moderator. They are not.”

      Inconsistency, thy name is Lean ! (and also outright **lies** !)

      This repulsive little thug has frequently complained that comments on JW are *not* moderated, and purports to be shocked, shocked ! at this, because it allows people to post ‘hateful’ comments, which Robert Spencer can then ‘distance’ himself from, because comments are *not* moderated.

      *Now* he tries to weasel out of this, by stating, **erroneously**, that comments don’t get posted unless they are approved by the moderator. That is the policy of his self-masturbatory site, ‘loonwatch’, which cannot tolerate dissent in any form, **not** Jihad Watch !

      So who really stands for free speech ? Gosh, I don’t know … 🙂

      Thanks to marc-Louis above, for clarifying this !

    • Semeru says

      May 20, 2014 at 12:56 pm

      Gravenimage writes

      Did Jihad Watch “refuse” to take down a story found to be inaccurate? Of course not.

      No it did refuse to take it down, it took it down very fast after I had pointed out it was satire.

      So Graven, wasn’t it you that said that Robert verifies all articles before putting them up, this article proves that you where lying.

      It was not so difficult to check, translate a few key words into Italian, then google the keys words, Bingo, there is the source page, which says that all articles are satire.

      The big question is, why did Mr Spencer remove it so quick? Afraid to expose himself that he is not such an expert.

      • Mirren10 says

        May 20, 2014 at 1:32 pm

        No, you idiot, gravenimage didn’t say that.

        It is the *title* of the *article*, written by *marc-louis.*

        You have severe reading comprehension problems, and your tiresome little ‘gotcha’ games are mega tedious.

        Go and play on the motorway.

      • marc says

        May 20, 2014 at 2:00 pm

        @Semeru you know the story was pulled shortly after you commented, why don’t you put Lean right?

        and then go play on the motorway 🙂

      • gravenimage says

        May 20, 2014 at 10:39 pm

        Semeru wrote:

        Gravenimage writes

        Did Jihad Watch “refuse” to take down a story found to be inaccurate? Of course not.

        No it did refuse to take it down, it took it down very fast after I had pointed out it was satire.
        ……………………………………..

        Do you mean that Jihad Watch *didn’t* refuse to take it down? That would make a great deal more sense…

        And yes—one of the screen captures shows that you posted a comment on the story—although I consider it unlikely that your comment was what led Robert Spencer to take another look at the story.

        The fact is that you are as avid as Nathan Lean at finding any possible mistake on Jihad Watch—though you, per the error above, are hardly infallible yourself. Not that you much care about your *own* accuracy—nor, of course, does he.

        More:

        So Graven, wasn’t it you that said that Robert verifies all articles before putting them up, this article proves that you where lying.
        ……………………………………..

        I said the stories were all *vetted*, which is a somewhat different matter. This story was picked up first by the very reputable site Blazing Cat Fur.

        But no one is infallible—not Blazing Cat Fur, and not Jihad Watch. I’m certainly not infallible, either. Despite your repeatedly calling me a liar—as well as calling Robert Spencer a liar—this is not true. An honest error is very different thing.

        As I noted, I’ve seen fewer than a handful of stories that turned out to less than fully accurate at Jihad Watch *in eight years* of reading their chronicling of Muslim savagery. That is, actually, a stellar track record.

        Your own bs is debunked here on a regular basis—off the top of my head, I can’t recall your *ever* admitting to an error. I have certainly done so on the rare occasions when I have made one.

        More:

        The big question is, why did Mr Spencer remove it so quick? Afraid to expose himself that he is not such an expert.
        ……………………………………..

        One Muslim apologist falsely castigates Robert Spencer for not taking the story down quickly enough; another tries to make it appear—somehow—shady that Spencer corrected the error in so timely a manner.

        Will you comment on the flood of horrific stories of Muslim barbarism day in and day out posted at Jihad Watch—most, as I noted, *far* more appalling than this one—that are fully accurate and amply confirmed?

        Of course not. Your only purpose here—since you cannot refute the mountainous proof of Islamic horror—is to grub for any instance of error, no matter how minor.

        Enjoy this one while you can—they are very few and far between.

        • Angemon says

          May 21, 2014 at 5:27 am

          “Not that you much care about your *own* accuracy

          […]

          Your own bs is debunked here on a regular basis—off the top of my head, I can’t recall your *ever* admitting to an error.”

          That, i can attest to. The little turd owes me an apology. Recently he made available for free a 2008 book. I called him out on that, and let him know he was infringing copyright and breaking the law. That didn’t stop him from providing the link again. Later on, he called me a “hypocrite” because, according to him, I had allowed access to an article that was supposedly copyrighted and behind a pay-to-access wall. I *proved* that the article was made available for free by the copyright holders, so I called him out on that and demanded an apology. The closest i got was “what-ever! i confused it with another article”. Now, the article i linked to was an article he quoted from before, mind you, so he KNEW it wasn’t behind any sort of access restriction. Not only that, he told everyone how to find it through Google AND claimed he quoted from that article because he wanted everyone to know about it.

          You can read that and more here, if you’re interested:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/we-r-going-to-over-power-u-soon-in-shallah

          Grab a bucket of popcorn and have fun seeing him helplessly flapping and trashing around in a sea of his own tears and contradictions ;). Or not, his BScan be IQ dropping if you’re unprepared.

          Notice that after realizing I wasn’t going to let that apology go he acted like a drama queen and boldly told everyone he was no longer going to reply to me. Oh, the humanity!

        • gravenimage says

          May 21, 2014 at 9:43 pm

          Fascinating, Angemon. This is classic Semeru—endless reams of obfuscation on a single small point, which he doggedly pursues although he has no proof—that, in fact, respected texts contradict.

          In the end, it come down to this for him:

          “I personally doubt that fat was used”

          More even than this, though, is the fact that whether or not lard was used by the Christian defenders to grease bullets is a very minor point of the heroic defense of Malta.

          Even *more* significant is that the thread itself has nothing whatsoever to do with the Siege of Malta in the first place; it is about a Muslim supremacist lauding Osama bin Laden and bragging “We r going to over power u soon in shallah”.

          Notably, Semeru does not address the main story at all.

          This is very much his MO—seize on one small issue and beat it to death; and distract readers from noticing Islamic threats and barbarism.

  27. voegelinian says

    May 19, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    A related story from 2006 (truth is stranger than fiction):

    Beach for Muslim Women Planned in Italy

    http://seattletimes.com/html/traveloutdoors/2003175641_webbeach04.html

    Hotels at an Italian seaside resort are eager to act on the town’s decision to authorize the creation of all-female beach sections for Muslim women, with at least one hotel owner saying Friday that plans are already under way to open the first of such secluded areas next month.

    The city council of Riccione, a popular resort on Italy’s Adriatic coast about 90 miles east of Florence, has said it is prepared to authorize requests to set up partitions on parts of the shoreline to satisfy requests from the town’s growing numbers of Arab and Muslim tourists.

    “They can have anything they want, but they can’t go to the beach, at least not without all those heavy clothes,” Attilio Cenni, owner of the upscale Grand Hotel des Bains, said of his female Muslim guests.

    …

    Popular with German and French tourists, Riccione’s mass-tourism venues have recently started to attract thousands of Arab and Muslim visitors each year, mostly from the conservative Arabian peninsula, city officials say. [“conservative”? You mean right-wing white Christian Muslims who vote Republican…? — v]

    Supporters of the idea say that the separate beaches would allow observant Muslim women to shed their headscarves and long robes and enjoy the sun in privacy; religious restrictions otherwise oblige them to cover up if men are present.

    “I can only be in favor of such a proposal,” said Tomas Corazza, manager of the Hotel Mediterraneo. “It allows them to use the beach while respecting their traditions and their religion.”

    …

    Cenni said he was already discussing with authorities the only snag in the proposal _ the fact that the partitions won’t reach into the sea but will have to stop short of the waterline to allow public passage.

    While Riccione’s municipality would consider authorizing the construction of reserved seaside swimming pools, Cenni said he hopes he will be allowed to close-off the entire beach with covered partitions and have female lifeguards patrol the sea in water scooters to keep men away. [Baywatch: Muslima Patrols on Water Scooters!, starring Yasmeen Bleeth…]

    In Italy, all shorelines must be accessible to the public.

    “That sounds a little bit like a fantasy,” said Andrea Cicchetti, a spokesman for Riccione’s mayor.

    But Cenni insists that if the partitions are mounted on isolated beaches the inconvenience to passers-by and swimmers will be minimal, allowing his guests to swim without having to don headscarves and robes again.

    “These are areas where there is little passage and any problem could be solved with common sense and sensitivity,” he said. “We want to make a beach where these ladies will be free.” [Yes, “free” to be oppressed by a medieval puritanical patriarchy]

    • gravenimage says

      May 19, 2014 at 2:52 pm

      Yes—I remember that brainless story, Voegelinian.

      Perhaps even ore salient here—though they did not take place in Italy, are Australia’s “Cronulla Riots” from the previous year, which started because thuggish Muslim “youth” were threatening to “rape Aussie sluts” for—yes—wearing bikinis.

      They eventually went on an orgy of violence, smashing pout car and shop windows, burning cars, and beating and stabbing anyone of non-Muslim appearance.

      http://australian-news.net/articles/view.php?id=118

      Here’s another salient story about Muslims being offended by bikinis and Infidels cravenly appeasing them, from just last year:

      “Miss World chiefs cancel bikini round to avoid offending Muslims as pageant is set to take place in Indonesia”

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336730/Miss-World-chiefs-cancel-bikini-round-avoid-offending-Muslims-pageant-set-place-Indonesia.html

      And here we have pious Mohammedans asking this “religious” question:

      “Can Muslims look at women in bikinis?”

      http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_Muslims_look_at_women_in_bikinis

      • Semeru says

        May 21, 2014 at 12:57 am

        Graven, do you even stop and read the article properly, you link to.

        In the link there is a photo with the caption

        Lebanese gang leader, Jeffrey Ismail was sentenced to 12 months jail for helping to organise the revenge attacks.

        Two things that stand out, tattoos are very un islamic also the name Jeffery indicates that he could be Lebanese christian.

        During the riots, the rioters where beating on any body who looked leb, they did not discriminate, not only did they beat Lebanese moslems, they also beat Lebanese christians and any body who looked Lebanese.

        A brief report described the plight of Mr Singh, a Sikh Australian who owned a Cronulla convenience store. He said masked men had stopped their convoy of cars outside his store, intent upon destruction, but were turned back by the timely arrival of police. He revealed that he was also abused by people who believed he was an Arab because of his beard.

        On December 15, The Australian carried a page 1 report that four churches had been attacked in the previous days, resulting in a call from Arab Christian and Muslim community leaders to keep Lebanese youths under curfew over the coming weekend. The reporting noted that the Cronulla riots had provided a uniting point for Christian and Muslim Lebanese youths

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          May 21, 2014 at 1:47 am

          Are you trying to suggest that the four damaged churches were attacked by Aussie *non-Muslims*??

          Really?

          Or were they attacked by *Muslims*?

          I find the latter to be far more probable. As I recall, one of the churches that was attacked was that of “St Joseph the Worker”, in Auburn (Sydney’s other suburb that has seen a massive influx of Muslims); its congregation is *Lebanese Christian*. The attackers were NOT Anglo-aussies, either; and I very much doubt that they were of Lebanese Maronite background.

          And as for “Jeffrey Ismail”.

          One cannot necessarily go by the first name.

          There is a Mohammedan-background gang boss in Australia whose first name is often given as the Irish-Catholic-sounding “Mick” but his *real* first name is a variant of Mohammed.

          Incidentally, I just looked up “Jeffrey Ismail”.

          In his picture he has a *very* typically Mohammedan beard pattern with cleanshaven upper lip.

          http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/foul-dad-who-rallied-race-revenge/story-e6freuzi-1111114507346

          From that article:
          “Ismail was heard to tell people **he believed members of the Maroubra-based gang the Bra Boys were coming to attack the Lakemba mosque.**

          “In other phone calls, Ismail was talking about organising a convoy of cars which left Lakemba to travel to Cronulla.”

          Why, if he were Lebanese Christian by background, would he rally a horde of people to ” defend” the enormous and menacing *Lakemba mosque*??

          And here’s the ABC report:

          http://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-09-26/bring-bats-cronulla-revenge-organiser-jailed/681312

          “Police say 29-year-old Jeffrey Ismail made several calls and sent text messages **telling people to come to Lakemba Mosque** {my emphasis – dda} to fight the Bra Boys there the day after the Cronulla riots.”

          Lakemba is one of Sydney ‘s most heavily Islamified suburbs.

        • Semeru says

          May 21, 2014 at 9:57 am

          DDA writes

          In his picture he has a *very* typically Mohammedan beard pattern with cleanshaven upper lip.

          Look at the picture again. His upper lip is not clean shaven, and here is another picture

          http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/riot-fallout-jail-for-the-colonel/2007/09/26/1190486368639.html?s_cid=rss_news

        • gravenimage says

          May 21, 2014 at 3:44 pm

          More of the same sort of crap from Semeru—trying to deflect attention from the clear Muslim nature of the Lebanese abuse of Australian beach-goers, then attempting to imply that the Lebanese were Christians and those Australians concerned about the violence—which included attacks on churches and *stabbings*—were all “racists”.

          As Dumbledore’s Army notes, Jeffrey Ismail’s gang was rushing to protect the Lakemba *Mosque* from a (false) rumor that is was targeted. Odd behavior for supposed Lebanese *Christians*.

          And here is more on the attack on one of the churches:

          “So when parents and children attending Christmas carols on Monday night, December 12, at St Joseph the Worker Primary School in South Auburn were abused and spat on by “young men of Middle Eastern appearance”, there were no police to protect them…”

          Does *that* sound like something Christians would do? The Muslims then went on to shoot up the church parking lot.

          The whole thing is ridiculous—but very much in line with Semeru’s tedious MO here—hoping to cast doubt on the smallest details of a story in an absurd attempt to discredit the whole. Try again, creep…

        • Vivienne Leijonhufvud (goldie) says

          May 22, 2014 at 9:24 am

          Glad to see another comment highlighting the atrocities of Islam time the world copped on.

        • Champ ✿ says

          May 21, 2014 at 3:55 pm

          Excellent response, Graven! …as always 🙂

        • Semeru says

          May 22, 2014 at 3:30 am

          Graven Image

          More of the same sort of crap from Semeru—trying to deflect attention from the clear Muslim nature of the Lebanese abuse of Australian beach-goers, then attempting to imply that the Lebanese were Christians

          I am definitely not trying to imply that the Lebanese where christians. I am pointing out they where also attacked, and they also took part in the following riots

          I am sticking to facts

          The white mob where attacking all Lebanese looking people including lebanese christians, even greeks and a Sikh. The mob did not stop to ask if the victim was a Leb muslim or Leb Christian.

          The mob was not targeting moslems, they where attacking anybody that looke Led (dark skinned)

          As Lebanese christians had also been attacked, then it is logical that they joined with the moslems.

          DDA and Graven point out that four churches where attacked, but the churches did not belong to the Leb christians, why should the Leb christains be bothered that an white Aussie church is attacked, when it was white Aussies that had attacked them.

          But of course, dedicated jihad watchers will not/cannot accept christian involvement.

  28. EYESOPEN says

    May 20, 2014 at 1:28 am

    I know full well that this story was pulled only hours from when it was posted, because when I went to look at it, Jihad Watch could not find it and suggested other stories that might be of interest.

  29. dumbledoresarmy says

    May 22, 2014 at 4:12 am

    Question.

    Is “Semeru” – whom I have long ago decided is one of our resident, but sneakier – Defenders of Islam – also going to try to pretend that the “Lebanese” gang rapes of Australian non-Muslim girls were carried out by Lebanese of Christian background rather than – or in company with – Lebanese Muslims? He’ll have a hard time getting round the fact that every single one of *those* perps who were, in due time, arrested, tried, charged, and locked up in jail, were MUSLIMS.

    Incidentally, to return to the famous riots: one of the four churches attacked at the time of the so-called Cronulla riots included in its congregation many *Lebanese Maronite Catholics*. I.e it was, so to speak, a LEBANESE church. Would Lebanese culturally-Christian youths **attack their own church**??? Where their own cousins, parents, grandparents, and siblings were worshipping? Where some of them had probably gone to the parish school?? Those who attacked and terrorised the people of St Joseph the Worker – at the time, I may add, when parents and children were attending the parish school’s annual Nativity play – were NOT white anglo-Australians. They were “men of middle eastern appearance”.

    That is difficult to ascertain from a websearch today but when the matter was being discussed here *as it was happening* a person identifying themselves as a native Sydneysider stated that that was in fact the case. *Other* Sydney posters who had personal experience of what was happening, or had encountered Mohammedan sh*t behaviour in the days, weeks and months leading up to the riots, also shared those experiences. They rang true. I have no doubt that they had experienced what they were describing. Our Defender of Islam will of course claim they were lying, but then, what else would you expect?

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