The Saudis are angry with Wilders because of the uncomfortable truths he tells about Islam, and no longer will deal with Dutch companies. Very well. It’s just a shame that Dutch companies, and others in the rapidly diminishing free world, haven’t told the Saudis long ago that as long as the Kingdom denies basic rights to women and non-Muslims and deny the freedom of speech and the freedom of conscience, they have no interest in doing business in Saudi Arabia.
“Dutch firms no longer welcome in KSA,” Arab News, May 17, 2014 (thanks to Fjordman):
Saudi Arabia has banned Dutch companies from participating in its future projects because the Dutch government has not taken action against the leader of the ultra rightist Freedom Party for abusing the Kingdom and Islam.
The Council of Saudi Chambers has reportedly received a letter in this respect from higher Saudi authorities urging them not to involve Dutch companies in local projects either directly or indirectly.
The government order also called for reducing the number of visas issued for Dutch businessmen and investors and limiting the period of visas, unless they are currently involved in vital projects.
Sources from the CSC confirmed that the government has instructed to halt the exchange of visits by delegations from both countries.
The move comes after the Saudi ambassador in Netherlands sent a letter to the foreign minister on the recent insult of Islam and Saudi Arabia by Dutch right-wing politician Geert Wilders.
Businessman Abdul Rahman Al-Rabeeah, president of the Saudi-Indian Business Council, welcomed the government’s decision. “Those who attack Islam and Saudi Arabia without any genuine reason are not welcome in the Kingdom,” he told Arab News. He said responsible governmental bodies in foreign countries must understand the consequences of such irresponsible behavior.
The CSC said the government’s decision would be circulated among all government bodies as well as chambers of commerce and industry, businessmen and businesswomen and commercial firms.
The Netherlands is one of the top 10 business partners of Saudi Arabia with two-way average annual trade volume reaching over SR25.3 billion. Until the end of 2008, Dutch investments in the Kingdom amounted to around $7.5 billion in over 119 investment projects.
Some Saudi companies responded quickly to the decision and stopped their dealings with Dutch firms.
In a recent statement, Wilders, who is a member of the Dutch Parliament, attacked the Saudi flag and said the Shahadah or the Islamic declaration of faith written on the flag must be replaced by the profanities he suggested.He also blamed the Kingdom for the terrorist attacks that have taken place across the globe.
Jay Boo says
The Saudis are use to manipulating Western politicians and the MSM.
Ken Puck says
Most of those who participated in 9/11 were Saudis, but no politician — Democrat or Republican — likes to dwell on that fact…the “emperor’s clothes” and all that. Self-imposed censorship! Grotesque…and a sad commentary on America and what it has become.
Stephen Rohaty says
What would the saudis consider to be a “genuine reason” for attacking them?
Freeman1776 says
The truth about inhuman treatment of Christians and muslim women!
G179 says
No sane government would base its foreign policy on insults by individuals in other countries. The world should expose and ridicule their crybaby mentality.
kikorikid says
They whine like the spoiled brats that they are.
They have the West’s money as well as the oil.
Islam is strong-arm extortion racket that fits
the Saudis perfectly. 15 of the 19 Terrorist
of 9/11 were Saudi Jihadist. Damn them.
mortimer says
Geert Wilders is considered a great threat to Islam which is extremely vulnerable to criticism. A small amount of criticism and the façade of Islam cracks and crumbles! Islam is a fragile, wobbly house of cards ready to collapse.
This overreaction of Saudi Arabia proves it.
EYESOPEN says
Absolutely true Mortimer. The Saudis are scared to death of Geert Wilders; and no way on God’s green Earth do they want him in a power position in the Netherlands. They will do all they can to prevent his party from winning a future election because that would throw a monkey wrench into their plans for Eurabia.
EYESOPEN says
I was going to add: if that happens (Geert’s party becomes the “power” party in the Netherlands), Geert had better grow eyes in the back of his head, because I’m sure the threats – and even attempts – against his life will grow exponentially.
judi says
@eyesopen – he is surrounded by bodyguards 24/7 and has to permanently wear a bullet-proof vest.
Tom says
The Saudis are using their deep pockets and financial threats against the West to try and force sharia on the west. Fine let them do that but get all Western countries to ban all Western technology from going to islamic countries. Limit the number of visas of muslims allowed into western countries including those on educational or arriving for medical treatment..
Mirren10 says
**No** decent Western country should have any dealings with Saudi Arabia, **whatsoever**.
But profit trumps all. No doubt this will be used by the Dutch left, and the government, to further vilify the heroic Geert Wilders.
”In a recent statement, Wilders, who is a member of the Dutch Parliament, attacked the Saudi flag and said the Shahadah or the Islamic declaration of faith written on the flag must be replaced by the profanities he suggested”
🙂 🙂
I’d love to know what the ‘profanities’ were !
Mind you, the whole of islam is profane, not just the disgusting shahadah.
EYESOPEN says
Yes. And I find it very, very strange that the POS OBummer is doing all he can to block the construction of the Canada Keystone XL Pipeline that would allow us not to have to depend upon ME oil. Unfortunately, years ago we (actually the U.S. government) sold our souls to the Saudis with petrodollars, and there may be no way of extricating ourselves without seeing our economy – already on life support – die a quick and certain death. Yeah, our would-be rulers really screwed the American people over with that marriage made in hell.
umbra says
It is not marriage, but slavery. There is genuine mutual respect in marriage.
Clifford Ross says
Hey, eyes open, OPEN YOUR EYES ! The Keystone pipeline would ONLY help Canada’s largest oil company. The plan is to use the pipeline to ship the nastiest, most toxic oil through our heartland to the Gulf. There it would be refined and SHIPPED OUT to foreign countries. NONE of that product is slated to be sold in this country. The jobs created MAY be 30-35m fulltime jobs. Not to mention the clean-up crews needed when the sludge eats the pipe.
dumbledoresarmy says
The Dutch firms should turn round, spit in the Saudis’ eyes, and invest in Israel instead.
They won’t regret it.
judi says
hear, hear Dumblesdore
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The Dutch firms should turn round, spit in the Saudis’ eyes, and invest in Israel instead.
But would that be a wise investment? Israel is slated to be nuked into oblivion in the not-to-distant future, that die seemingly cast after the coup de grace self-inflicted by the Ivy League Moron Obama/Kerry axis a few months ago.
kikorikid says
Isreal is not blind to the machinations of
the US President, Obama. Nor will Isreal
allow itself to be “obliterated”. Likely to
end up with no “Islamic” Capitals standing.
This would be good. Islam is compelled
to attack Isreal by the writings in the Quran.
Isreal is compelled to defend itself by History.
SOON.
EYESOPEN says
An excellent idea, DDA! Tell that to Geert Wilders so that he can inform all of the “business” types in the Netherlands that all is not lost, they’ve just found new partners, that’s all.
dumbledoresarmy says
And I might add that in Israel’s offshore waters there are some interesting-looking natural gas fields, and that Israel may also have some pretty extensive oil shale reserves.
The Dutch – who have some experience in the energy field – could *divest* from oilfields in the dar al Islam and *reinvest* in *Israel’s* energy exploration and development. And nothing stopping them investing as well in Israel’s quite extensive R & D efforts toward *renewable* energy such as solar.
Further thought: it’s really high time that all *non-Muslim* energy producers separated themselves from OPEC and created a different, competing body, so that having oil doesn’t mean you end up complicit in the Muslim holding-the-world-to-ransom game.
Alan says
The West should Impose sanctions on Saudi for its crime against humanity. Islam = Apartheid. Oops, Obama is Saudi financed…
MoreHamed says
Yeah, and like how Mohammed was kicked out of mecca when business went bad the first time tried to take over and force his cult only in the area, Saudi (and other mid-eastern terrorist supporting muslim countries) would go back to living in squalor if the west was to dramatically curtailed oil business with these 7th century savages.
Angemon says
“Saudi Arabia has banned Dutch companies from participating in its future projects because the Dutch government has not taken action against the leader of the ultra rightist Freedom Party for abusing the Kingdom and Islam.”
And yet, muslims in the west complain about how everyone stereotypes muslims based on a “tiny minority” of “extremists” who “misinterpret islam”.
Wait, my bad. It’s not a fair comparison because Wilders isn’t making his claim by “misinterpreting” the official stance of the Dutch government.
Maria says
What the Dutch need to do is send all the Muslims to Saudi Arabia or their country of origin.
sidney penny says
“The move comes after the Saudi ambassador in Netherlands sent a letter to the foreign minister on the recent insult of Islam and Saudi Arabia by Dutch right-wing politician Geert Wilders.”
Do western christian ambassadors in muslims countries tell foreign ministers in those countries to stop persecuting christians?
kikorikid says
The Saudis, as well as all Islamist, are running
a “Zero Tolerance” game that is known as
“Shariah Compliance”. Multiculturalism
mimics this in “Political Correctness”.
Both are Totalitarian, both will see
the same end.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Dutch companies, and others in the rapidly diminishing free world, haven’t told the Saudis long ago that as long as the Kingdom denies basic rights to women and non-Muslims and deny the freedom of speech and the freedom of conscience, they have no interest in doing business in Saudi Arabia.
Money trumps conscience. If only there would emerge a Wilders in every free country, the Arabians would quickly run out of countries to embargo.
But those Wilders aren’t there. Oriana Fallaci took a run at it, may she rest in peace, and a pox on the house of the Italian elites who forbade the truth with criminal charges against her in an effort to mollify the white caps. Steyn is trying, but he’s curtailed by the size and corruption of the media platform on which he operates. There’s Tommy Robinson in England, but they’ve tarnished him as a racist, which obviates the factual content of his statements.
Pretty much, it’s just Wilders. Thank God he survived his criminal trial, unlike Oriana. It’s a sad day when a Western nation gets pushed around by the Moslems. But the oil money is large; we’ll see if the Kingdom’s ploy works, and the Dutch are finally forced to quash freedom in the person on Wilders in the name of money, always a big consideration in that trader nation.
dumbledoresarmy says
So?
Where do cynicism and sarcasm become despair and defeatism?
Do you belong to ACT for America? Or any other Resistance organisation?
And if not, why not? Have you already decided that NOTHING can stop Islam, so it’s no use even *trying*??
As for the UK: sure, Tommy Robinson broke, or appears to have broken (though I’m not prepared to write him, or the EDL, off yet; he may yet see through Quilliam’s little game, and then the time he’s spent hanging with them may prove to the counter-jihad’s advantage). And although Weston was arrested, I wouldn’t write him off, either; Tim Burton was cleared, after all, and I don’t see why Weston can’t be, and in the process, he gets a chance to educate the judge, just like Burton did (what if he calls in Hans Jansen to explain how sharia law views women, so it can be seen that the Churchill quote is strictly accurate – truth not libel?). Gavin Boby is still in there swinging; he’s prevented quite a few mosques from being built, by now, making full use of Britain’s baroque planning regulations, which he knows back to front. Baroness Cox is doing her bit in the House of Lords.
It’s not over till it’s over and *I* don’t think it’s over, yet.
kikorikid says
I recently read a post by a “Working Class”
guy who clearly stated that the WC is getting
hammered by the growth and influence
of Islam in the UK. He implied that a revolt
is in the making and soon. I wish them well
in their endeavors.
Reality Check says
“Businessman Abdul Rahman Al-Rabeeah, president of the Saudi-Indian Business Council, welcomed the government’s decision. “Those who attack Islam and Saudi Arabia without any genuine reason are not welcome in the Kingdom,” he told Arab News.”
It hurts to know that the West may never say the same thing to the Islamic world. “Those who attack Christians and Jews and the Western world without any genuine reason are not welcome in the West.”
Saudi students in the West must be expelled from any university they are studying in. They are not intelligent enough anyway, so why give them the chance to flaunt respectable diplomas around the world when the diplomas do not reflect the fact that they have shit for brains and will never do anything useful for humanity?
By the way, they use their stay in the West for nothing but drinking, partying, whoring and making children to naive Western girls who are stupid enough to believe that this brown-skinned, smooth-talking, money-squandering desert Muslim really takes them as seriously as he says.
Mohshamhead says
DUTCH POLITICIAN GEERT WILDERS CREATES NEW SAUDI FLAG,
… ISLAM IS A LIE, MUHAMMAD IS A CRIMINAL AND THE KORAN IS POISON …
… the truth shall set you free
PatnCat says
Herr Wilders is a brilliant and brave man! God Bless him and may Jesus Christ Son of God Bless him in spreading the word that islam is an evil upon on the world, moha was a false prophet who made up islam to glorify himself. Herr Wilders speaks the words of the koran RIGHT BACK AT THEM WITH THE KORANS OWN WORDS! So the truth hits the Saudis in the face and they cringe before the words of their own pseudo-prophet.
Salah says
Saudi Arabia, the filthiest nation on planet Earth, has been promoting sharia in the West, and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood thugs for decades.
When late president Nasser of Egypt threw the MB in jail, most of their leaders flew to Saudi Arabia and stayed there for decades under the protection of the King.
Ironically, the Saudis are now helping Egypt in its fight against the MB, but this came after, and only after, they realized the dangers of the MB to the Saudis themselves.
If you decide to adopt a scorpion, sooner or later you’ll get the sting.
southeuropean says
I have a doubt with the qualification of geert wilders as a far right. Far right is always associated with the nazzi movements. Wilders should be wise and avoid that trap. Meaning,he should change his attitude towards the second most successful acchievement of the political organizations in the history of the humanity,and that is the creation of the EU (The greatest success was the foundation of the UN). He should not be eurosceptic.Also, he has been a while a head figure,so he could appoint some other figures in the political life of Netherlands,cause in this way,he could be blaimed for making a cult of a person of himself,which is a neonazzi manner. I wish him a triumpf within this fight with Islam and these were all just constructive suggestions. Let s send Islam to hell and every other form of fascism!
Nan says
Nazis were far left; National Socialists. Geert Wilders doesn’t have a cult of personality; he speaks the truth about Islam. That isn’t about him. Hitler had a cult of personality as nobody could remember what he said and so does Obama and all he does is read from a teleprompter. He has nothing to say without it; however, in his case, I believe it’s about skintone as I don’t think he has much of a personality.
southeuropean says
Having a far right orientation is not that of anyone should proud of. The nazzis,no matter of the official name of the party,were far right.
The difference between the right and the left is shrinking as the time goes on. There were a lot more differences than the gay issue,a 100 years ago. Islam presents an imminent treat. The world should unite against these fascists,as was united against the nazzism 70 years ago. That is inevitable for the leftist platform,also. Obama is irrelevant regarding the long war.
Foolster says
southeuropean said:
“Having a far right orientation is not that of anyone should proud of. The nazzis,no matter of the official name of the party,were far right.”
Neither should being far left something someone should be proud of. Isn’t any extreme on either side bad, or just rightism? Anyway, what’s your point? I see nothing in the article about Wilders being proud of being far-right.
“The nazzis,no matter of the official name of the party,were far right.”
The right is no more or less authortarian than the left. It’s true that Nazis are considered far right (and really they had elements of both far right and far left politics), but to claim that (as you seem to be doing) one cannot be a on the right side of politics to be for freedom is lucridious, insulting and not born out by history. (See: Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, etc. etc.)
“There were a lot more differences than the gay issue,a 100 years ago.”
If you mean differences between those on the left (democrats) and right (GOP), you are right.
The leftists were for slavery, and the conservatives were (and still are) against it. Again, what’s your point?
southeuropean says
My point is that,which is a scientific fact,that the antagonism between the left and the right is much smaller nowadays. In fact, n Europe,both political movements are gravitating towards the center. Both of them have democracy and human rights agenda. Again,the differencies in the past were much larger. The far left is extinct after the fall of USSR and that is a good thing. Dont make artifical confrontations. It doen t matter if u could have a gun,but not an automatic rifle. It doesn t matter if the taxes are not flat. It doesn t matter if the gays want to be all movie stars. Those are all just trends. It is matter if a politician is supporting an islamofascist bloodthirsty criminal. Islam will unintentiously unite the East and the West,the right and the left,and that is a good thing.
Guy Macher says
I knew good things would happen because of Geert!
RCCA says
Isn’t it funny how many European countries want to boycott Israel for “moral” reasons but wouldn’t dream of boycotting Saudi Arabia?
Champ says
The Saudis are angry with Wilders because of the uncomfortable truths he tells about Islam, and no longer will deal with Dutch companies. Very well. It’s just a shame that Dutch companies, and others in the rapidly diminishing free world, haven’t told the Saudis long ago that as long as the Kingdom denies basic rights to women and non-Muslims and deny the freedom of speech and the freedom of conscience, they have no interest in doing business in Saudi Arabia. — Robert Spencer
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Touché , Robert!
Tim says
“….because the Dutch government has not taken action against the leader of the ultra rightist Freedom Party for abusing the Kingdom and Islam.”
So they admit they have been pressuring the government! How much more pressures of all sorts have they added?
Good riddance! No Western country should be trading with the Muslim world anyways. Its in the trade that everything has expanded and escalated to these levels. Trade need to end.
Cicero says
WHOM should we in the West make the next king of Saudi Arabia for 2015? What kind of public and private assurances will our candidate give? How often should he report to us – daily? monthly?
How should Saudi oil wealth be distributed FAIRLY among victims of Muslim aggression? Of course, the victims of Party for Jihad (aka Boko Haram) in Nigeria and Cameroon should be at the front of the line.
What skills can lazy Saudis be taught to help some of them survive once Saudi oil has been internationalized?
The West needs to THINK BIG and patiently implement a larger strategy for the wider Middle East. The Great Game will continue whether we play or not. We need to have a seat at the table.
As a first step, of course, we need to ISOLATE AND NEUTRALIZE Saudi agents of influence such as Huma Abedeen, Grover Norquist, Rashid Khalidi and friend, etc.
Know Thy Enemy says
To anyone who may know:
What are some of the Dutch companies that we, as general public, can support ? I am only aware of two of them: KLM Airlines and Carlesberg beer.
Thanks in advance.
gfmucci says
Dutch (or even US businesses) should not be conducting business with Saudis in the first place. Not only no great loss, but actually a great gain for western culture if business with Islamic nations is curtailed. But we are far too greedy for that to happen.
G.Deckzeijl says
…those who attack islam…
Well,my dear camel pilots in Saudi Arabia and other islamic states:
that’s absolutely impossible.
We need a lot of things in the Western world, but what we don’t need is your
thought police!
Remember: what’s ONLY in your mind, such as thoughts including the thoughts of 2.1 billion other pseudo religious IDIOTS cannot be attacked.
Do you think(!) that you can deal with that?
Serious advice: make sure your MERS SHIT doesn’t spread around the world, get it?
DutchReader says
After seeing this story, iIlooked up the dutch paper telegraaf.nl, and thought some of you might want to read this translation:
Translated from a May 17th online news article from telegraaf.nl
Wilders not impressed by Saudi-Arabië action.
The Hague-
PVV-leader Geert Wilders in not impressed by the threat by Saudi-Arabia to impose trade sanctions against The Netherlands because of his anti-islamsticker. According to him, Saudi-Arabia is “a terrible country”, that The Netherlands itself should have boycot a long time ago.
He argues that Saudi-Arabia is a dictatorship that can’t even spel the words freedom and democracy. “Who do they think they are to teach a lesson to a dutch politician?”
According to him Saudi-Arabia is a country that still knows slavery, is at the top in persecuting christians, is the largest financier of international terrorism, that executes people who turn their back on islam, and that doesn’t allow women to drive.
Brian Hoff says
The Dutch Companies can simple move out of the Dutch Land than move to the UK or USA. The Dutch unemployent rate would go up.
The Aton says
Reality Check May 17, 2014 at 11:04 am
“Those who attack Islam and Saudi Arabia without any genuine reason are not welcome in the Kingdom,” he told Arab News.
______________________________
If the West stopped selling to Saudi, and if Western technologists stopped working in Saudi, the kingdom would crumble in a matter of weeks.
Saudi Arabia still works on Dhimmitude or servitude. The Western technologist Dhimmis (serfs) may be well paid for their services, but the Indian worker Dhimmis are most certainly serfs or slaves. And so the entire kingdom operates as a slave economy, because Islam cannot do anything itself – never has, never will.
Aton
The Aton says
judi May 18, 2014 at 7:36 am
He has to permanently wear a bullet-proof vest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfXCqY0Jj40
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Nice video, Judi, nice video.
It should be compulsory viewing in all schools, and the BBC should be forced to show it at the 9pm peak viewing time.
Aton
tpellow says
“Top Saudi Cleric says true Muslims must believe the Sun revolves around the Earth.
The Middle Ages happened a long time ago, yet top Saudi scholar affirms that the Sun revolves around the Earth after all. Western science has been left in tatters.”
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4822/top_saudi_cleric_says_true_muslims_must_believe_the_sun_revolves_around_the_earth
duh_swami says
KSA…Keeper of the birthplace of…jinn, the ka’aba.. There is at least one jinn attached to every transaction with KSA. Stop the spread of jinn…do no business at all with KSA…Establish jinn free zones…Close any mosque funded with jinn money from KSA. Support Geert and any jinn-resister.
Semeru says
A poster above asked
I’d love to know what the ‘profanities’ were
Let us raise a flag of truth and liberation
by Geert Wilders
Nine years ago this month, in November 2004, policemen wearing bullet proof vests and carrying machine guns picked me up at my home and drove me to a safe place. This happened two days after the filmmaker and Islam-critic Theo van Gogh was murdered by an Islamic assassin in broad daylight on an Amsterdam street. The police brought me to safety because Islamic criminals had threatened to kill me, too. Because I, too, spoke the truth about Islam, the biggest threat to our freedom and our civilization.
Since that ominous date, nine years ago, I have been forced to live under constant police protection. I have lived in army barracks, prisons and safe houses. The threats continue to this day and have deprived me of my privacy and my freedom.
But I will continue to speak. The flag of Saudi Arabia proudly proclaims the Shahada or the Islamic declaration of faith: “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”
In remembrance of the past nine years, in remembrance of the thousands of victims who were murdered in that period by Islamic assassins, in London, in Moscow, in Mumbai, in Nairobi, and in countless other places, and in remembrance of the millions of people — women, apostates, non-Muslims — who daily suffer discrimination and humiliation from the evil ideology of Islam and oppressive Islamic Sharia law, I offer the Islamic world a new flag — a flag with a declaration of truth and liberation:
“Islam is a lie, Muhammad a criminal, the Koran is poison.”
Only when the Islamic world comes to realize this truth, will it be able to free itself from evil, making the world a better and safer place for all human beings.
Only when the free world comes to realize that Islam is predominantly a totalitarian ideology rather than a religion, will it be able to defend its liberties and values.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/11/let-us-raise-a-flag-of-truth-and-liberation/
Carmen Sporidis says
Those is how the story goes:
Mohammed redefined the word “persecuting” to mean those who would not allow Sharia Law to rule over them.
Be aware that if you are opposed to the introduction of Sharia Law to rule over your society; then you are considered to be persecuting Muslims who therefore consider it legitimate to attack you. Islamic doctrine regards this as “self-defence”. Kaffirs are not considered to be “innocent” victims.
Different concepts of the word “innocent” in Islamic teaching.
voegelinian says
Indeed. Islam has a radically different casus belli than does the West. In Islam, legal and geopolitical “fighting words” are defined in terms that we would understand as theological blasphemy and theological disbelief. When this casus belli is additionally compounded by a deranged fanaticism imbuing and galvanizing it, and when that deranged fanaticism is guided by a supposedly divine blueprint for militantly supremacist expansionism, we have a recipe for international and epochal disaster, further aggravated by the sheer numbers of Muslims around the world in their Islamic diaspora.
I’m not done yet. If the above is not bad enough, one additional ingredient propels that disaster into a global emergency: Western Useful Idiocy, by which millions of these Mohammedan fanatics have been invited into the West to live, work and infiltrate freely; by which ongoing partnerships and alliances with obscenely evil and dangerous Muslim nations around the world continue to thrive; and by which modern Western technology, variously pirated by Mohammedans, may be used against us in horrific terror plots in the coming decades that will make 911 look like a fireworks picnic.
onisac says
My concern is that Islam wont want to distance themselves from the free world.
Islam is on the move throughout the world. It fully intends to subjugate all infidels, kaffirs, and other religions. But first they must infiltrate non-suspecting counties. So that they will be set to ‘go full out’ when the word is given. Which is to say they will have moles mixed in with citizens preparing for the word.
Anyone that is ignorant to that (at this late date) is a fool. Several books. e-mails, debates, news articles, and talk show hosts, have echoed the same.
It has gotten so that the free world pretty much disserves their fate. I myself have heard about these things for 9 years now. Jihad Watch was one of my news sources. Brigitte Gabriel, Bill Warner and Pamela Geller were also dependable sources. But of course most whom are in the know, have already known this.
Foolster says
SouthernEuropean said:
“My point is that,which is a scientific fact,that the antagonism between the left and the right is much smaller nowadays.”
…
“Again,the differencies in the past were much larger. The far left is extinct after the fall of USSR and that is a good thing.”
I wonder what world you’re living in, and what the sky looks like. Perhaps you don’t watch the news where conservatives are vilified by the leftist media as “racist” “tea-baggers” who are waging a “war on women”. Perhaps you missed how conservatives are told by liberal politics how they can “sit in the back” are disliking the president because they are racist, and how they are terrible people hindering progress because they don’t agree with liberal politicians.
“Dont make artifical confrontations.”
I wasn’t trying to pick a fight, if I misunderstood what you were saying (taking it wrongly as saying “right is more authortarian than the left), then I apologize.
“It doen t matter if u could have a gun,but not an automatic rifle. It doesn t matter if the taxes are not flat. It doesn t matter if the gays want to be all movie stars. Those are all just trends.”
I would agree despite any differences between conservatives and liberals, Islam is an extremely important, and perhaps the most important. But that doesn’t make position of liberty (whether or not which kind of guns should be allowed, whether the current tax system is abusive) not important at all that shouldn’t be debated and discussed!
Also, the idea that now the PC-MC left is coming around and no longer carrying water for Islam is once again, not born out of facts.
No thanks to the earmuffs and rose colored glasses, I like to see and hear.
Chris of Canada says
Saudi Arabia is the most evil and degenerate society on earth; on whose ‘firms’ should be banned in all non-Muslim countries, as well as Iran, Lebanon, Iraq and anywhere else those evil Wahabi monsters have sent their children to blow up Shiite Muslims. This is a country that outlaws all non-Wahabi religions, spreads terrorism and hatred around their world under the guise of their satanic cult, then tells us we are the hatemongers…
Nobody wants to visit that desert swamp anyways.
dumbledoresarmy says
Above, a poster calling himself “Chris of Canada” tries to push off all the blame onto those dastardly “Wahabbis”.
He forgets – or, perhaps, hopes that we won’t remember ? – that the vast bulk of Islamic imperial expansion, with attendant horrors no different from the sorts of horrors being perpetrated by jihad terror raiders and Islamic states all over the world today, and all amply consistent with 1/ the sacralised example of Mohammed and 2/ the explicit teachings contained in Sira, Hadith, Quran and in all the books of Sunni and Shiite sharia “law”, took place *long before* the birth of that devout and thoroughly-orthodox Sunni Muslim revivalist, Ibn Wahhab (1703-1792).
The destruction of Byzantium (and the sack of Constantinople in 1453), the destruction and islamification of Zoroastrian Persia and the reduction of its Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians to an exploited and abused remnant, the invasion and pillage of India (which assault began in the 8th century), the imposition of dhimmitude in Spain, the invasion and occupation and reduction to dhimmitude of the Balkan Christian peoples and assault upon central and western Europe that reached its high tide at Vienna in 1683, etc etc etc; all, all, all of it *before* Ibn Wahhab was born.
Habibi says
Should that decision be coordinated across countries in the Arab world through the Arab League, if we want this decision is weight, otherwise it will serve nothing. But it is a good initiative. It would also punish France, the country in which freedom of expression against Islam but less against the Holocaust.
I hope the King of the Netherlands will begin knees to implore forgiveness of Saudi authorities.
PS: FUCK Wilders!
Foolster says
Oh goodie, another holocaust denier anti-Semite Muslim fascist.
Notice how this fascist thinks people who speak out against Muslims should be “punished”. He is reinforcing the “stereotype” of the devout muslim.
They do as their master does.
Foolster says
Hoo boy! First SouthEuropeon smears Gert Wilders by trying to connect him to the “far right” (a label as far I see in the article he never takes for himself or says he “proud of” as SE claims) and Nazis (which is preposterous), claims that far-Leftism is dead, that those on the left and right are cooperating more than ever, and that the left are somehow coming around to honestly facing the truth of Islam, which is of course blatantly false, and I point out why that is.
Now instead of answering me (either to admit he was wrong or defend his posistion) he moves onto something else, equally preposterous: Islam must be reformed! A “pipe dream”, as voegelinian says above.
It seems poor SE is suffering from a severe case of PCMC.