Here once again the tortured logic of Leftists and Islamic supremacists is laid bare: they claim that those who oppose jihad terror and Islamic supremacism in the West are neo-Nazis in belief if not outright neo-Nazis, and that any opposition to jihad terror is fascist in nature. Yet here a Muslim rapper openly proclaims his anti-Semitism and affinity for Nazism, and to oppose him, according to Leftist/Islamic supremacist dogma, would be tantamount to…Nazism.
“Dutch Muslim rapper: I hate Jews more than Nazis,” JTA, May 2, 2014 (thanks to Pamela Geller):
THE HAGUE, Netherlands – Dutch police are investigating a Muslim rapper who used hateful language against gays and Jews in one of his songs.
The rapper Ismo, whose real name is Ismael Houllich, included the text in his first single. The official video clip for the song titled “Eenmans” (or “One Man’s”) shows Ismo singing: “I hate those fucking Jews more than the Nazis,” “don’t shake hands with faggots” and “don’t believe in anything but the Koran.”
The clip, which was filmed in the southern border city of Breda, had received 125,000 viewers on YouTube before a 19-year-old homosexual resident of the city, Lars Hobma, filed a complaint with police against Ismo for alleged incitement to hatred, the news site of the Algemeen Dagblad daily reported Friday.
Hobma has received death threats on Facebook after filing the complaint, the daily reported.
In an interview for Omroep Brabant, a regional radio station, Ismo denied Hobma’s allegations.
“They are trying to twist my words against me,” he said. “I don’t hate all Jews. I hate only Zionist Jews that made Palestine smaller than my neighborhood.”
He added: “It all depends on how you interpret the song. By ‘faggots’ I didn’t mean homosexuals and by ‘Jews’ I didn’t mean all Jews. My fans realize that.”
Last month, the rightist, anti-Muslim politician Geert Wilders filed a police complaint against another Muslim Dutch rapper, Hozny, who released a video depicting Wilders’ abduction and murder.
In the video, Hozny sings about Wilders, who in his youth worked as volunteer on a moshav, or co-operative farm, in Israel: “As a soldier in Israel he was happy among the Jews, then hate for Islam was born in his eyes.”
He also sang to Wilders: “How are things with your kippah? Are you being oppressed by the Jewish faith?”
Wilders, who never served as a soldier in Israel but describes himself as a friend of the Jewish state and people, has said his criticism of Islam were partially based on his extensive travels in Muslim countries.
Angemon says
“The official video clip for the song titled “Eenmans” (or “One Man’s”) shows Ismo singing: “I hate those fucking Jews more than the Nazis,” “don’t shake hands with faggots” and “don’t believe in anything but the Koran.””
“Don’t believe in anything but the Koran”? How about them ahadith? And the sunnah? Poor moron, on any muslim-majority, anti-blasphemy law enforcing country he’d get his ass thrown to jail faster than he could say “allahu akhbar”.
““They are trying to twist my words against me,” he said. “I don’t hate all Jews. I hate only Zionist Jews that made Palestine smaller than my neighborhood.””
So why not say “Zionist Jews” instead of “Jews”? Also, why doesn’t he simply invite all the palestinians to move to his neighborhood? Middle East problem solved.
“He added: “It all depends on how you interpret the song. By ‘faggots’ I didn’t mean homosexuals and by ‘Jews’ I didn’t mean all Jews.”
So what did he mean when he said not to shake hands with faggots?
““My fans realize that.””
More like his fans realize his doublespeak and know exactly he meant all jews and homosexuals and he’s forced to lie because otherwise the filthy kuffar would punish him.
Anon says
Muslim immigration is a plague, like the bubonic plague, perhaps deadlier if slower acting. The Western nations are in a state of suicidal denial. They will be destroyed unless they take action. The needed action is easy now. As time goes by, it will be more costly, violent, and catastrophic. You can amputate your left foot now. Or you can wait and amputate both legs at the hip.
rage against injustice says
As I said many times before, it’s just a matter of time before western europe has it’s own Bosnian war.
BlueRaven says
The biggest problem in the World is Islam. It offers no hope except after life. It finds suckers in every rat hole you can imagine. The sons of Islam are ready to kill and be killed. With an attitude like that, why should they care about the world and other human beings. 99% Muslim youth love the hate as a ‘cool’ life style. They could care about their inbred kids or wife. They are prepare to die for Mo – they have absolutely NO proof if he ever existed. Such is the effect of the Mantra of Islam – produces absolute losers.
BlueRaven says
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Tony says
Sounds a very obnoxious person.
mortimer says
OBNOXIOUS? He is soliciting murder.
Islamisdeath says
Even without the nasty beards they are just butt ugly! Isn’t rap music, all music for that matter, haram?
If a white rapper had put out a song saying he hated muslims and homosexuals he would get slapped in jail and if he was in the U S he would get some obama and broom hilda (hitlery) screw up blamed on his song! He would just be screwed to the wall!
gravenimage says
Islamisdeath wrote:
Isn’t rap music, all music for that matter, haram?
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Actually, the one category of “music”—I use the term loosely—that is allowed are “Nasheeds”. Nasheeds are Qur’anic chanting, sometimes accompanied with a very simple percussion instrument, but nothing else.
I believe there are two reasons why Rap is so popular with Mohammedans—the first is that it is “music” that can be produced without any melody or instrumentation, hence making it Halal.
The second, of course, is that so much Rap is violent, misogynistic, and lauds criminal behavior—all Muslim “values”. I can think of no Western form that so lends itself to Islam.
There are exceptions in Rap, of course, but most of it fits right in with Islam—that that does not tends to more verge over to Hip-Hop.
BR says
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CookieCutter says
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BlueRaven says
The sons and daughters of Islam – hate the world – hate everything – have life – hate jews – hate Christians – hate Hindues – hate bhudists – hate animals …. love Koran. That is enough to conclude Koran is an encychlopedia of hate.
gravenimage says
Dutch Muslim rapper: I hate Jews more than the Nazis did
Here once again the tortured logic of Leftists and Islamic supremacists is laid bare: they claim that those who oppose jihad terror and Islamic supremacism in the West are neo-Nazis in belief if not outright neo-Nazis, and that any opposition to jihad terror is fascist in nature.
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*Exactly*. Actually, Nazis and pious Muslims are very much simpatico. And while Muslims hate Infidels, they often make an exception for Adolph Hitler, whom many Muslims respect—especially for the Holocaust.
And it was a mutual admiration society, since while Hitler despised Arabs on racial grounds, he respected Islam, and held that if martial and ‘racially pure’ Germans had been Muslim, that they would have long-since conquered all of Europe.
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Yet here a Muslim rapper openly proclaims his anti-Semitism and affinity for Nazism, and to oppose him, according to Leftist/Islamic supremacist dogma, would be tantamount to…Nazism.
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This is the mad world we live in—and one that makes it much harder to openly oppose the Jihad threat. This, of course, is just how Muslims like it…
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“I hate those fucking Jews more than the Nazis,” “don’t shake hands with faggots” and “don’t believe in anything but the Koran.”
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And, of course, this is not just “hate speech”—but it likely to be followed up by violence against Jews and Gays—and even those perceived to be Gay or Jewish.
And the line about the Koran—I don’t believe this posits Ismo as a “Qur’an only” Muslim who rejects the Hadith and Sira, but just makes a point how his hatred of Jews and Gays is *firmly rooted in Islam*.
It also indicates that he takes the tenets of Islam as his guidelines for living—and one only has to be familiar with those foul texts to know what kind of violent behavior *that* engenders.
More:
The clip, which was filmed in the southern border city of Breda, had received 125,000 viewers on YouTube before a 19-year-old homosexual resident of the city, Lars Hobma, filed a complaint with police against Ismo for alleged incitement to hatred, the news site of the Algemeen Dagblad daily reported Friday.
Hobma has received death threats on Facebook after filing the complaint, the daily reported.
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*Of course he has*—how dare an Infidel complain about Islamic hatred? Surely, he deserves to be killed for that…
This is Muslim “logic”.
More:
In an interview for Omroep Brabant, a regional radio station, Ismo denied Hobma’s allegations.
“They are trying to twist my words against me,” he said. “I don’t hate all Jews. I hate only Zionist Jews that made Palestine smaller than my neighborhood.”
He added: “It all depends on how you interpret the song. By ‘faggots’ I didn’t mean homosexuals and by ‘Jews’ I didn’t mean all Jews. My fans realize that.”
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Just laughable Taqiyya. Here’s this Mohammedan trying to play the victim by reference to “Palestine”—after saying that he “hates Jews more than the Nazis did”. Sorry—no “Palestinian” issue during the Holocaust…
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Last month, the rightist, anti-Muslim politician Geert Wilders filed a police complaint against another Muslim Dutch rapper, Hozny, who released a video depicting Wilders’ abduction and murder.
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Notice how the fact that Hozny was calling for Wilders *abduction and murder* is undercut by the accusation that Wilders is “rightist” and “anti-Muslim”. This is just the same as calling Anti-Jihadists “Fascists” or “Nazis”.
The fact is that *anyone* who opposes Jihad is labeled “rightist”—even someone like Wilders whose economics are leftist, someone like Ayaan Hirsi Ali who is an African feminist, and others who are for gay rights and freedom of speech and artistic expression. I’d like to say the accusation has lost all meaning—except that it is still used quite effectively as a smear.
Please note—I am not slamming the genuine political right-wing here myself—just noting that both Muslims and their leftist useful idiots falsely conflate “rightist” with “fascist”, and then apply it to people who clearly are left-of-center, except in their opposition to Jihad.
Which also begs the question—how did supporting the misogynist, homophobic, oppressive horror of Islam ever become a “liberal” cause? A rhetorical question, but one that shows how mad this has become.
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In the video, Hozny sings about Wilders, who in his youth worked as volunteer on a moshav, or co-operative farm, in Israel: “As a soldier in Israel he was happy among the Jews, then hate for Islam was born in his eyes.”
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Note the projection—Hozny is rapping about abducting and murdering the very peaceful Wilders, yet he accuses *Wilders* of “hate”.
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He also sang to Wilders: “How are things with your kippah? Are you being oppressed by the Jewish faith?”
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More projection. Wilders is, of course, not being “oppressed by the Jewish faith”, but by those who practice the Muslim faith. It is pious Muslims who necessitate his having ’round-the-clock security.
And it is just the same with Ismo—more threats to the Infidel.
pongidae rex says
1914 : The march of kings to wage a war of ‘honor’. Millions killed.
1939 : The march of dictators to wage a war of absolute political domination. Millions killed.
2014 : The march of Islamic hordes into the inviting arms of European ‘multi-culturalism’ to wage a war of cultural and ideological conquest. Body count TBD.
Europe is on yet another Death March. They will not be disuaded from bringing yet another cycle of ruin upon themselves. European history is that of one bloodbath after another into the dim mists of the past. Such a great civilization but for this one fatal flaw.
dumbledoresarmy says
And can you name any *other* “civilisation” or society that *lacks* that same ‘fatal flaw’?
Chinese history, for example, no matter how far you go back, is full of wars and rumours of wars, replete with episodes of mass death, mass-murdering emperors and warlords; with multiple instances of mind-bendingly awful cruelty (there’s a reason why the Chinese water torture is called the “Chinese” water torture) and injustice.
One must not forget that the history of nearly all major human societies during the past 1400 years – except those of the pre-Columbian New World, buffered by wide oceans, and those of Japan and Korea, who were “buffered” by China – is complicated by the fact that *all* of them were psychologically and physically damaged in some way – some more, some less, but none untouched – by the onslaught of Islam.
So far as I can tell, non-European – and pre-Islamic or non-Islamic and non-Christian – societies, whether tribal or “civilised” – seem to have gone in for quite extraordinary episodes of mass killing, from time to time. Ever heard about the Maori and the Fijians? Kumasi? Mayans? Aztecs? The Aztecs used to wage war upon their neighbours in order to obtain victims for ritual human sacrifice carried out on the grand scale. And they came up with this wonderful system all by themselves. Their nihilism and cruelty cannot be blamed upon anything other than the darkness of the human heart.
So why should one single out Western Europe for special condemnation, as if they were the only civilisation that ever had major wars…or, for that matter, that had foolishly admitted Muslims within their gates?
Mazo says
Another fail from Voldemort’s Army. Chinese Water Torture was invented by Europeans
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2373/whats-the-story-on-that-weird-medieval-cult-the-flatulents
What’s the story on that weird medieval cult, the flatulents? Plus: do the Chinese use Chinese water torture?
Dear Cecil:
Did (or do) the Chinese torture prisoners using the Chinese water torture?
— Fritz Reece, Chicago
Cecil replies:
Probably not. “Chinese” is one of those all-purpose English pejoratives in which foreign is equated with weird. Two variants may be noted. The first is Chinese in the sense of “confused, disorganized, or inferior,” as in “Chinese fire drill” (a chaotic scene, or more commonly these days, the collegiate prank in which everyone tumbles out of a car at a stoplight, runs around to the other side, and piles in again), “Chinese ace” (a bumbling pilot), “Chinese navy” (a disorganized group), and so on.
The other sense is “exotic, mysterious, or devious,” as in Chinese handcuffs (the finger restraints that bind more tightly the harder you try to pull your fingers out), Chinese checkers (the game is said to have been invented in the latter 19th century by an Englishman), and of course Chinese water torture.
Most people understand Chinese water torture to mean driving a prisoner mad by dripping water on his forehead, although a few claim it refers to (a) near drowning or (b) stuffing a rag into the mouth of a prisoner and dripping water on it until it swells up and suffocates him. Chinese = confused is thought to have originated in Britain around World War I; Chinese = exotic/devious is perhaps a little older.
Word sleuth Barry Popik tells me the first known use of the term in question was Harry Houdini’s “Chinese Water Torture Cell,” a stunt introduced circa 1903 in which Houdini was lowered into a tank of water upside down and had to come out alive. Popik says the drip-drip-drip method of torture, not referred to as “Chinese,” is described in Brian Innes’s The History of Torture (1998) as having been invented by one Hippolytus de Marsiliis in 16th-century Italy. At some point subsequent to 1903, presumably, someone conflated Houdini’s trick with de Marsiliis’s torture, and the two have been linked ever since.
— Cecil Adams
Korea also had contact with Islam. They received Chinese-Islamic astronomical science texts written in Persian from China.
The Korean Adaptation of the Chinese-Islamic Astronomical Tables
YUNLI SHI
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00407-002-0060-z
China had adopted Islamic astronomy in medieval times and set up an entire government department dedicated to Islamic Astronomy, and passed this on to Korea.
The damage exists in your fertile imagination.
dumbledoresarmy says
Do you deny that there have been wars and mass murders in Chinese history, all the way back, as far back as that history is knowable?
Do you deny that torture – even if not by *that* particular method – was practised in China, by the Chinese? The Communists tortured people. The Emperors and generals and war-lords tortured people. That is a fact.
I chose the wrong example. I should have mentioned “lingchi”…try to deny *that*.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_a_Thousand_Cuts_(book)
NO human society can pretend that it has always been just, innocent, good, peaceful and free from cruelty and murder, including mass murder. The evidence is just too overwhelming.
Don’t try and pretend that mass murder and torture were not practised on many occasions in Chinese history.
And you cannot pretend that Korea was particularly or specially influenced by Islam.
What I meant in saying that Korea and Japan were “buffered” by China is that because the vast mass of infidel China was “in between” themselves and the easternmost extension of the Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob, neither *ever* suffered the kind of direct Muslim slave-raiding and pillage that, for example, the southern European coastlines or the western borders of China historically experienced; nor did they suffer the wholesale Muslim invasion and mass murders and enslavements suffered by India, or the infiltration and subversion suffered by the East Indies, or the 1200 years of non-stop slave-raiding, pillage, and forced “conversion” suffered by Africans as the Ummah raided and invaded its way south.
by the way, Mister: perhaps you would care to comment on the topic of the thread?
A Muslim, in the Netherlands, has expressed virulent hatred of Jews and of homosexuals.
Islam does not merely say Jews and homosexuals are bad; the texts of Islam and the books of the sharia prescribe that both shall be *treated* badly. Jews are supposed to be reduced to the condition of dhimmis (and if you even *try* to pretend that being a dhimmi was a good thing you will expose yourself as a moral imbecile without a *particle* of human empathy); gays are supposed to be killed.
Do you agree with the Islamic punishment for gay people? Yes or no?
If you lived in Islamic Iran, and knew someone was gay, would you personally dob that person in to the authorities, to be killed?
PS Do you realize that every time you call me “voldemortsarmy:”, you are behaving like a petty little bully in a school playground?
Wellington says
Islamic astronomy in Korea and China in medieval times? Good lord, is there no ridiculous length you won’t go to to take notice away from how desultory and destructive Islam is both to its deluded believers and to non-believers?
You are a deceiver to the max. You are also a great fool.
Mazo says
You again failed to read the article you posted. The purpose of Lingchi was not torture- it was to desecrate the criminals body, since the executed would be killed right as the process started while sedated, and most of the slicing occurs after the death.
Punishments which desecrated the cadaver would be assigned on the basis of the crime- the more severe the crime, the more damage to the body, ranging from strangulation, to beheading and slicing, none of those were used for torture. They was based on religious beliefs about the integrity of the body in the afterlife.
Korea experienced direct contact with Muslims in China and some even settled in Korea from China in medieval times.
China did not suffer from raiding, pillaging or attacks, the only battle ever with the Arabs was at Talas in 751 over who would be suzerain over a small vassal state in Central Asia, and took place entirely outside of Chinese soil. After that there was no interruption of diplomatic relations or hostilities at all. China did not border a Muslim state to its west again until the Chagatai Khanate 700 years later, and had friendly relations with the Chagatais, while China and the Chagatais both had hostile relations with the Lamaist Buddhist Oirat Mongols.
During the Ming dynasty, it was Portugese, Dutch, and Japanese pirates who were engaging in slave raiding, pillaging, and murder China’s coasts, not Muslims from the west. The Portuguese in the 1520s-1540s and the Dutch from the 1620s-1660s were both defeated and driven out of their pirate bases. You are making things up, again.
I don’t listen to degenerate forms of art like rap music, which is despised by cultured peoples in all countries including non western societies like Arabs, Iran, India, China, and why don’t you look in the mirror over who is acting like a bully, sticking your nose into asian countries business and telling them to bully their Muslim populations, and blatantly disrespecting people by calling them “Mohammedan”?
Mazo says
I don’t care what other people do in their bedroom, they will be ostracized and rejected by society in most non western countries if they show their orientation in public, they keep quiet and nobody cares about them. Most non-western societies, including non-Muslim ones, reject homosexuality and keep gays in the closet.
BlueRaven says
Muzo – can we discuss something straight facts about your Islamic history: 1 – you do not focus on the matter in hand 2 – you do not analyze what you write. DBA has asked you several questions what the Muslims do or want to do to the infidels and what they did to them. You have justified it by stating no other civilization is better – based on the historical records collected from different civilizations, Islam comes up the worst of the worst in each and every manner . from torturing people, cruelty to animals and non-muslims, environment, women, young girls and boys or anything you care to mention. Islamic Astronomy is a joke – there is no Astronomy without a telescope and then making real empirical and mathematical analysis of the data collected over decades. Galileo and other Europeans were the God fathers. Newton brought everything in order – in terms of proofs and predictions and everything mathematically (he was also the inventor of calculus – the real advances in mathematics beyond your usual x= a*2 + 3).
99% of the Astronomy involves telescopic observations, Doppler shift and spectroscopic analysis and understanding electromagnetism (what it constitute and the velocity of which is constant irrespective of the FOR), the other 1% is Newtonian mathematics, special relativity and general relativity. These type of words NEVER exist in the Arabic vocabulary. If you believe that mambo-jumbo the earth is the center of the Universe, the ancient version, that is also non-Islamic which Islam claimed it to be theirs. The Greeks worked out the radius of the earth, close to what we now know, about three thousand years ago.
Islam brought nothing but destruction to the world. Oh yeh, deception too. Give the Islamic history a critical view to determine if it makes sense what they say. Of course you can believe what you like, you will have to sleep with that BS. Now go and figure your other historical facts about Islam, they contain just as many factual errors.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“China did not suffer from raiding, pillaging or attacks, the only battle ever with the Arabs was at Talas in 751”
Once again, Mazo fails at understanding basic english. DDA talks about muslims, Mazo talks about arabs. Or maybe he doesn’t lack in comprehension, maybe he’s expecting that other people will believe his “all muslims are arabs” crap he’s trying to pass stealthy. Hey mazo, care to give details on the Yangzhou massacre or are you just limiting yourself to spread hatred and strife between chinese and westerners?
“During the Ming dynasty, it was Portugese, Dutch, and Japanese pirates who were engaging in slave raiding, pillaging, and murder China’s coasts, not Muslims from the west. The Portuguese in the 1520s-1540s and the Dutch from the 1620s-1660s were both defeated and driven out of their pirate bases.”
Here’s what Mazo won’t tell: if the portuguese captured portuguese pirates they’d sentence them to death. If the dutch captured dutch pirates they’d sentence them to death. If the spanish captured spanish pirates they’d sentence them to death. Besides that, most of the piracy committed by europeans was directed against other europeans. Compare that with the state-sponsored mohammedan pirates who plagued the european shores for centuries before and after europeans first sailed to China. In fact, here’s what Thomas Jefferson reported after being sent to parley with the Tripoli ambassador upon american ships being atacked and american citizens being taken as slaves by mohammedan pirates after the independence of the USA:
“It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.”
That was in 1785 BTW. So, why is Mazo trying to pretend that over 1000 years of religiously-endorsed, state supported mohammedan piracy is equivalent to 20 years of portuguese piracy and 40 years of dutch piracy who were criminals by their own country’s laws?
“I don’t listen to degenerate forms of art like rap music”
Do you listen to music at all? What other degenerate art forms do you not partake in?
“ which is despised by cultured peoples in all countries including non western societies like Arabs”
Arabs are cultured people? LOL!
http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/663.cfm
“Fahed al-Fanek, Al-Ra’i (partially state-owned, pro-government), Amman, Jordan, July 4, 2002
When Dr. Rima Khalaf Hunaidi was Jordanian minister of planning, she wanted to issue a report about human development in Jordan along the lines of the report published annually by the United Nations Development Program on human development in developing countries. The political aim of the minister was to show that the social and development situation in Jordan is better than many critics think and at the same time to provide the Planning Ministry with an instrument with which to pressure other ministries and organizations to improve by way of comparing their performance.
Now that Rima Khalaf has moved to the United Nations as director of the Arab regional office in the U.N. Development Program, she has taken the same idea and expanded it to cover 22 Arab countries in order to make clear the region’s faults and give encouragement to those in a position to instigate reform.
The team she chose and led was 100-percent Arab in order to avoid accusations of bias against the Arabs or of focusing on negative points in an attempt to distort the image of the Arabs in the world, according to the conspiracy theory.
But, despite that, the report was a bombshell nonetheless, though the only thing that would surprise those who are familiar with the situation in the Arab world is its nondiplomatic language and criticism, and naming of the faults. Arab societies are paralyzed because of the absence of political freedoms, the persecution of women, and isolation from the world and new ideas.
The oil wealth is matched by social backwardness, and the only other region of the world with an income level lower than ours is sub-Saharan Africa. Productivity is decreasing, scientific research is virtually nonexistent, the region is suffering a brain drain, and illiteracy afflicts half of Arab women. The report was only diplo-matic concerning implicit criticisms of extremist Islamist movements as a cause of the culture of backwardness and absence of fertile ground for democ-racy. Interestingly, the report found that the total number of books translated into Arabic yearly is no more than 330, or one-fifth of those translated in a small country like Greece.
Indeed, the total number of books translated into Arabic during the 1,000 years since the age of Caliph Al-Ma’moun [a ninth-century Arab ruler who was a patron of cultural interaction between Arab, Persian, and Greek scholars—WPR] to this day is less than those translated in Spain in one year. The report noted that Arab rulers stay in office all their lives and create dynasties that inherit power, and the peoples are unable to institute change.
The Arab development report hangs out the Arabs’ dirty washing before the world and offers a wealth of information that mars the image of the Arabs in the world, but unfortunately the information is correct. Perhaps the most Arab regimes will do after reading it is to pressure Kofi Annan to move Rima Khalaf and ask her to pack her bags and return to her home in Amman.
“why don’t you look in the mirror over who is acting like a bully, sticking your nose into asian countries business”
The last time i remember you mentiong something about “sticking noses out of asian business” was when you denied that the attack on the train station was the work of Uighurs.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/china-islamic-jihadists-murder-27-injure-109-in-jihad-attack-at-kunming-railway-station/comment-page-1#comment-1015460
“If the attackers turn out not to be Uyghurs, go eat a tub of sand and never ever stick your nose into asian affairs again….”
Remember that?
“blatantly disrespecting people by calling them “Mohammedan””
How is that “blatantly disrespecting people“? It used to be used a great deal in the past, it’s accurate because islamic orthodoxy is based on the quran (word of god), sirah (biography of muhammad) and ahadith (actions and saying of muhammad), and the sirah and the hadith are much larger than the quran. The quran says that muhammad is an excellent example to follow.
quran 33:21 – There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.
I’d say 80% of islamic orthodoxy is based upon muhammad’s examples, actions and saying, with the remaining 20% being based on the word of god. Seriously, have you seen the size of the quran compared with the size of the ahadith? Islam is much more based in muhammad than in allah, the term mohammedan reflects that nicely.
BTW, are you a mahommedan, or muslim, or whatever you want to call it?
gravenimage says
More crap from Mazo, who would have us believe that all far-eastern contact with Islam was somehow *beneficial* to them.
Try telling the families of murdered Buddhist monks and beheaded Christian schoolgirls that.
Then, as Angemon points out, Mazo does a not uncommon bait-and-switch where he notes that China has not much sufferer from *Arab* depredations—ignoring the fact that most Muslims in Asia are not Arabs.
Of course, in other contexts he is all too happy to slam Anti-Jihadists for (supposedly) not sufficiently realizing this fact.
As for his nasty bit about gays, he seems not to have noticed that the Netherlands is *not* a non-Western country—or perhaps he hopes that the incursions of his violent coreligionists is so pervasive there now that the Netherlands can no longer be considered the West.
Disgusting, in any case.
gravenimage says
One more thing from the repulsive Mazo, in reply to Dumbledore’s Army:
…and why don’t you look in the mirror over who is acting like a bully, sticking your nose into asian countries business and telling them to bully their Muslim populations…
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Look what he characterizes as “bullying”—opposing the horror of Jihad attacks in Thailand, the Philippines, and China, which have included bombings, the killing of teachers, and a recent large-scale knife attack on patrons at a railway station.
What projection—pious Mohammedans (there’s that word again) regularly characterize any resistance to *Muslim bullying*—violent Jihad and the imposition of brutal Shari’ah—as “bullying” itself.
How *dare* filthy Infidels resist Muslim depredations—or even dare to mention them?
After all, preventing Muslims from oppressing, enslaving, and slaughtering us is “bullying”. Good grief…
Mazo says
@BlueRaven I said nothing about Arabic on Astronomy. The Chinese Islamic Astronomical science texts were in Persian and Chinese, and related to calculations regarding the calender. They built observatories with instruments like armillary spheres.
@gravenimage
China did not border a Muslim state to its west again until the Chagatai Khanate 700 years later, and had friendly relations with the Chagatais, while China and the Chagatais both had hostile relations with the Lamaist Buddhist Oirat Mongols.
How could China’s western border have been raided by Muslims, when most of the time until recently, it did not even border Muslim states? I stated my answer very clearly to Voldemort’s army claims about raids and pillage.
Your side constantly tells massive lies about Muslims in southeast asia.
Spencer lied about Thailand annexing Pattani because it attacked them in a war with Burma.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/western-media-condemns-terrorist-attacks-that-happen-at-their-door-but-show-sympathy-to-terrorists-killing-people-brutally-in-china/comment-page-1#comment-1017120
Mazo
March 5, 2014 at 1:09 pm
Example of a blatant lie- that the Pattani Sultanate was annexed because it attacked Thailand in a war with Burma.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/thailand-muslims-murder-three-soldiers-and-election-official-in-jihad-bomb-attack
Are you people too mentally deficient to realize that Burma was under British rule when Thailand annexed Pattani in 1909. I explained what happened above in my previous posts.
Spencer lied again about MILF attacks in the Philippines
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/robert-spencer-in-frontpage-mag-leland-yee-an-anti-gun-democrat-jihadists-can-love/comment-page-1#comment-1029178
Mazo
March 28, 2014 at 2:00 pm
JihadWatch and Frontpage Mag caught in the act of lying-
“”That’s the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), the Islamic group in that wants to establish an Islamic state in the southern Philippines, and to that end last September took over four Christian towns, terrorizing the residents and murdering six, wounding 24, and murdered six more people in a restaurant bombing last summer””
WRONG. It was the MNLF, Moro NATIONAL liberation front which took over the four towns, and it was the BIFF (Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters) which did the restaurant bombing. NOT the MILF, which the Philippine gov is signing a peace deal with.
I sincerely hope you learn to read before humiliating yourself like this
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/09/philippines-muslim-group-takes-over-four-villages-takes-38-hostages
“MANILA, Philippines (4th UPDATE) “” At least 100 suspected members of the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) have taken over 4 barangays in Zamboanga City Monday, September 9, Mayor Maria Isabelle “Beng” Climaco told Rappler.”
And again, BIFF did the restaurant bomb.
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/08/02/1041781/biff-linked-cdo-blast
MILF, MNLF, and BIFF are seperate groups. MILF and MNLF in fact engage in clashes against each other, and BIFF split from MILF because they opposed the peace deal.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/california-state-senator-leland-yee-offered-to-set-up-arms-deal-with-islamic-jihadists-for-2-million-in-cash/comment-page-1#comment-1028795
Voldemort’s Army wasn’t able to respond to any of my points about the Philippines.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/philippines-frees-jihad-leader-to-make-peace-with-milf/comment-page-1#comment-1016169
gravenimage says
Mazo wrote, Among reams of other crap:
How could China’s western border have been raided by Muslims, when most of the time until recently, it did not even border Muslim states?
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I presented no time-line—I merely noted that China’s west is now under attack.
But don’t you love Mazo’s heated contention? He holds that Infidels are not under threat from their Muslim neighbors—as long as they *don’t have Muslim neighbors*.
And who could argue with that? The lessons one can draw from this, it would seem, is that one is much safer without Muslim neighbors.
And so it is—Mazo just proves again Samuel P. Huntington’s apt observation that Islam has bloody borders.
dumbledoresarmy says
From the article – “The clip, which was filmed in the southern border city of Breda, had received 125,000 viewers on YouTube before a 19-year-old homosexual resident of the city, Lars Hobma, filed a complaint with police against Ismo for alleged incitement to hatred, the news site of the Algemeen Dagblad daily reported Friday.”
Nota bene – “a 19-year-old homosexual resident of the city, Lars Hobma..”.
*Nineteen years old*, and he was brave enough to file a complaint.
And the result? – “Hobma has received death threats on Facebook after filing the complaint..”.
One hopes that he has notified the police of the *death threats*. If he hasn’t already joined Wilder’s Party For Freedom, he should; he owes it to the memory of Pym Fortuyn. I also hope that his family and friends are supporting him.
It’s one thing for someone to say “I hate all [insert name of despised group here]”. It is quite another thing for a person to say to another person, “I am going to kill you”.
It would be interesting to find out whether Mr Hobma is aware of the sharia laws on punishment of gay people, and the way that gays have been treated in various Islamic countries, of late. And not only in Islamic countries. There have been vigilante murders in Iraq and openly-carried-out judicial murder in Iran., and floggings in northern Nigeria; and then there was that attack in England recently, by a group of Muslims, against a Muslim girl’s non-Muslim lesbian lover; and that convert-to-Islam in the USA who killed his daughter and her lover.
It strikes me that Mr Hobma probably read/ heard this Muslim rapper’s rantings about gays – and about Jews – in the light of the actual Muslim killings of and attacks upon both gays and Jews, past and present, in the dar al Islam and outside of it; that he therefore had a reasonable fear that some of the rapper’s Muslim hearers might proceed to *act upon* their hatred and attack himself and other Dutch gays and also his Jewish fellow-citizens.
If a country has “hate speech” laws, then those laws should be applied even-handedly, and the sheer amount of what can only be called raw hate speech spewed by many Muslims against all varieties of non-Muslim needs to be brought to public attention. Which is what Mr Hobma has done.
And if the Dutch were to scrap their “hate speech” law, then at what point would the sheer intensity and violence of the language used – not once, but often – in public by someone like “Ismo” cross over into territory more properly described as “incitement to murder”? (Muslim placards at ‘demonstrations’, saying things like “Behead those who Insult the Prophet” and “Kill the Jews” surely do qualify not as exercises in free spech but rather as direct incitement to kill; as “shoutouts” to the sharia assassins who exist within all Muslim “communities”).’
Was Lars Hobma irrational to feel threatened by that rap? I don’t think so.
dumbledoresarmy says
I observe that the Chinese Mohammedan – and it is strictly accurate to call him a Mohammedan, because Muslims are *supposed* to admire and imitate Mohammed – did not really answer my questions.
I asked him if he agreed with the *Islamic* – and by that I mean the sharia, the specifically Islamic – punishment for gay people. I asked him whether, if he was living in Iran, he would hand over someone else to be punished for being gay.
I am sure he is very well aware of what the Islamic “scriptures” and the books of sharia say about gay people and what should be done to them. I asked whether he assented to that. (Of course, if he said he didn’t, he would be in breach of the sharia, and another Muslim could accuse him of apostasy or of blasphemy).
He essentially avoided answering that question, and slithered away into an irrelevant statement about the attitude that NON-ISLAMIC nonwestern countries have toward gays.
The subject here is how Muslims view gays and what the Islamic texts and the sharia command to be done to gays.
Our Chinese slave of allah and diligent “defender of Islam” via jihad-of-the-mouse totally avoided facing up to the *fact* that Islam allows for *killing* gay people and that gay people have been *killed* – or otherwise mistreated – by pious Muslims in a number of countries and that this is perfectly in accord with Islam-by-the-book.
I wonder what he would answer if I asked him whether he believed in and agreed with all the horrible things the Quran, the Sira and the Hadith say about *Jews*…Yes or No?
Memo to any *other* , NON-MUSLIM Chinese, able to read English, and perhaps visiting here whilst studying in the UK, or Australia, or the USA, or Canada: read Serge Trifkovic, “The Sword of the Prophet”. Read Mark Durie “The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom”. Read Nonie Darwish, “Cruel and Usual Punishment” and “Now They Call Me Infidel”. Read Robert Spencer, “The Truth About Muhammad” and “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)” and “The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Quran”…or just Mr Spencer’s “Blogging the Quran”, which may be read online. Read Sam Solomon, “Al Hijra: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration”. And then you will *know* what Islam is about; what the Ummah does, what it intends, and how it goes about it.
Mazo says
No one is going to waste their time with those books, don’t tire your fingers. You know that they aren’t going to hit the bestseller lists no matter how much times you spam them?
Any hate site or literature which causes too much social unrest in China is going to get banned, there was an incident over 20 years ago in 1989 when the book “Sexual Customs” was banned by China for its anti-Islamic slander, the book claimed Muslims had orgies with animals during Hajj and comparing Mosques to genitalia. The authors of the book were also arrested.
Mazo says
Repeatedly spamming the same titles over and over again won’t help them hit the bestseller list, LOL.
FYI, any book or literature which causes social unrest in China gets banned by the government. An anti-Islamic book called “Sexual Customs”, which slandered Islam and claimed Muslims had orgies with camels on Hajj, and compared Mosques to genitalia, was banned by China in 1989 after protests by Muslims. The authors were also arrested. This was after demonstrations in Beijing in Tiananmen and Gansu by Muslims.
The government censors also delete things like that online, and the hate website hanminzu was shut down multiple times for causing social unrest. Things which anger minority religions and ethnicities enough WILL get banned, censored, and blocked.
gravenimage says
Does it surprise anyone here that Mazo is a big fan of censorship and the oppression of authors?
Really, it was a foregone conclusion for such a pious Mohammedan…
Vluk says
The fact that there was not a much bigger outcry from the Dutch public and media towards this Ismael Houllich fascist shows just how weak Dutch society and Europe as a whole has become.
muslim says
Very sad news
gravenimage says
muslim wrote:
Very sad news
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What’s “sad” about it? Surely not that a pious Mohammedan is threatening Jews and Gay people—more likely, that any Infidels would dare to stand up to such threats.
Coastliner says
Then the followers of the death cult have the nerve to tell us that we must ‘respect’ their evil ideology!
mortimer says
‘…they twisted my words’
= I am a lying, insincere, devious weasel…like Mohammed.
Mirren10 says
@ mazo: You said, in reply to dumbledoresarmy,
”You again failed to read the article you posted. The purpose of Lingchi was not torture- it was to desecrate the criminals body, since the executed would be killed right as the process started while sedated, and most of the slicing occurs after the death”
It is you who failed to read the article posted. It is a wikipaedia review of a book called ”Death by a thousand cuts”, in which the authors **argue a point**. In other words, they **assert** that the victim was usually (!) sedated, and that the purpose was desecration of the body, rather than torture, and then attempt to prove the assertion.
”The authors *argue* (my emphasis: Mirren) that this was more than a physical punishment, as the victim was sedated with opium and killed early in the process, but about denying the victim “somatic integrity”[3][4] and denying them any hope of a life after death which, the authors **argue** (my emphasis: Mirren), caused them to feel shame”
If you type ‘death by a thousand cuts’ into google, you will find many other assertions that in fact sedation was *not* used, and the purpose was, indeed, agonising torture.
That however, is a side issue, and your reply to dumbledoresarmy on lingchi merely underlines a) your fundamental mohammedan dishonesty, and b) your naivety in assuming that one review of one book is the last word on the subject.
By the way, why are you insulted by the term ‘mohammedan’ ? Is not mohammed the most perfect man, the most perfect example of all time ? Are mohammedans not exhorted to follow in the footsteps of this perfect man ?
The fact you find the term ‘insulting’ leads me to think that mohammedans themselves, including you, are well aware of the evil behaviour and philosophy of mohammed, and are in fact, when they give themselves the trouble to think, **ashamed** of the character of their soi-disant ‘prophet’.
This shame causes severe cognitive dissonance; hence the contention that the term ‘mohammean’ is insulting, and conversely, the murderous mindless rage that ensues when ‘mohammed’ is perceived to have been ‘insulted’.
But more importantly, in the usual mohammedan fashion, you have slithered away from answering dumbledoresarmy’s very straightforward questions.
Do you condemn the Islamic punishment of **death** for homosexuality ?
Do you agree with the Islamic hatred of Jews ?
Put up, or shut up, mohammedan.
John Magee says
No pity for the Dutch from me. They opened their doors to the 3rd world now they’ve become the 3rd world. It will only get worse as the Dutch, like the rest of Europe, aren’t having enough babies to replace the indigenous population (the people who lived there for the past few thousand years before 1970 including Jews). What will life be like in the Netherlands in 2040 only 27 years from now? 1940 will mark the centennial year of the start of the German occupation of Holland when Hitler invaded that country in May 1940. Will this sad anniversary mark a return of the Nazi’s in that country 100 years after the Nazi invasion? It will if Muslims are a majority or a near majority in Holland by 2040.
gravenimage says
I see “Americana” is back yet again. How many times does this vicious Muslim apologist have to be banned?
She wrote:
The only reason the Western world finally arose from its social cruelty and backwardness where there was slavery and indentured servitude, etc, etc, is because there was a cultural uprising within each and every European country that terrified many of these countries into accepting a basic platform of human rights.
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Really? And what were those “cultural uprisings” based on? Why didn’t they occur in non-Western societies—for instance, why didn’t they occur in the Muslim world?
Moreover, the idea that all change arouse out of some proto-proletarian revolution is hardly the case—for instance, the push for the ending of slavery in the British Empire was spearheaded by religious groups and individuals like William Wilberforce, who was a Member of Parliament.
The fact is that the Western world was the first to ban slavery and to grant individual rights. This is rooted in both Judeo-Christian values and in Western philosophy.
And the Muslim world *still* fails to recognize these moral advances. Slavery has never fully disappeared in Dar-al-Islam, and there are no minority or individual rights.
And now pious Mohammedans want to formally reestablish slavery and sex slavery throughout the Muslim world.
I doubt “Americana” will have much to say about this.
More:
It was not a foregone conclusion that Christianity would lead to humanity’s salvation because, let’s face it, that incremental improvement in humanity’s lot in the Western world happened ONLY THOUSANDS of years after Christ’s death.
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Actually, those in Christendom began benefitting from individual rights in Europe long before “Americana” would have you think. For instance, the Renaissance could not have occurred elsewhere—certainly not in Dar-al-Islam.
More:
Not up until several upstanding citizens in various countries refused to take it any more did the notion of OVERARCHING HUMAN RIGHTS become an accepted concept in the West. Let’s not pat ourselves on the back and forget our real history.
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Where would those upstanding citizens get the idea that Human Rights are worth fighting for in the first place?
And why would *any* others have paid any attention to them? After all, in the Muslim world they would likely not just have been ignored, but have been imprisoned or assassinated. It happens there all the time now.
The fact is that it is not *we* who have forgotten our real history—it is “Americana” and those like her who would have us forget. *Ugh*.
Champ says
Brava, Gravenimage!!! …great insights; as always!
gravenimage says
Thank you, Champ!
And thanks for letting me know she turned up here with more of her ugly nonsense, as well, as well:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/proof-state-dept-knew-immediately-that-benghazi-was-jihad-terror-attack/comment-page-1#comment-1048150
Mirren10 says
Oh, here we go again.
I’ve noted the repulsive ‘Americana’s’ reappearance on the JW comments floor, and noticed that , up till now, everyone seemed agreed to ignore her claptrap.
Why not continue to do so ?
She contributes nothing whatsoever to any rational discussion, and I see she has already started with her pathetic, would be ‘witty’ childish insults
Mirren10 says
If one reads her 3.13 comment, this is clearly someone slightly unhinged; I would guess the poor creature suffers from tourettes, or something similar.
She is a total dipshit, and really is not worthy of any rational opposition.
But that’s just *my* opinion; fellow JW’rs must of course do as they think fit.
Mirren10 says
Apropos of my 4.25 comment, in that this witless fool contributes nothing to any rational discussion; please everyone note she actually *never* deals with the actual content of the thread.
This thread is about a repulsive Dutch mohammedan convert, who has ‘rapped’ his hatred of homosexuals and Jews, and afvocates their *murder*, as per koranic and hadith instructions.
Americana doesn’t even *mention* this, but goes off on a load of pointless claptrap about Christian civilisation, and God knows what else; her post is so demented it’s impossible to pick out what , if anything, is germane to the thread.
She has done exactly this sort of thing before; old JW hands will remember when she first appeared, at the time of the Boston Marathon murders, and the dreary and ridiculous nonsense we were subjected to, over whether or not she actually lived in Boston, her variegated tales about search dogs, her sister in Saudi Arabia, her cousin the Cardinal, and other assorted fantasies.
Well, if people feel they must answer this twit, so be it. I just wish everyone had carried on ignoring her.
Oh, the hell with it !
Americana, don’t bore and waste our time with misconceived rubbish.
Just tell us your opinion about a Dutch convert rapper who advocates the murder of gays and Jews. For, or against ?
Try and stick to the point.
Champ says
Sigh, Marc has a ton of garbage to take out …
RodSerling says
Hm. I thought Americana was banned last year, around the time she referred to the young British non-Muslim victims of Muslim sex slavery/ pedophile rings as voluntary “prostitutes,” “whores,” “tarts,” etc.
Here’s the thread where I [under my former moniker, Kinana of Khaybar] took her to task, and she refused to apologize or retract those remarks, indicating that those statements represent her considered, sincere views of those rape victims:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/05/uk-jihad-murderer-do-not-be-scared-of-the-filthy-kuffar-they-are-pigs
Champ says
Yes, the attention-sucking americana was banned; not once, but twice. She was banned last year, but reemerged about a month ago, so Marc painstakingly removed all of her comments. Once he gets around to it, then this toxic person will be banned a third time, and all of her comments will be removed–AGAIN.
Champ says
PS —- I was BANNED ONCE.
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Notice that “americana” is playing the victim and won’t take responsibility as to why she was banned in the first place. Many of her rants on this thread indicate that SHE was mistreated, and that SHE did nothing wrong. Riiiight.
Champ says
Lordy, look at how persuasively you twist and contort my posts and my history here!
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This is clearly a bald-faced lie. All the reader has to do is read through this thread, and the record proves that nowhere have I twisted or contorted “americana’s” posts. This contortion exists only in her mind, but not in what I’ve written here in black ‘n white.
RodSerling says
Americana,
“So, the difference between them is what, precisely???”
Again, you introduce an irrelevancy. This site is Jihad Watch. In response to your sweeping denials, I provided a recent example of Islamic sexual slavery, carried out by avowed jihadists (Boko Haram). Capturing and trading in sex slaves is part of classical Islam, and was indeed regulated during the Meccan phase of Qur’anic revlation, according to the Islamic scriptures, before Muslims had engaged in any warfare.
“The fact they were victimized by Muslims who intended to use them as prostitutes is no different than if they’d been victimized by white gangster pimps. Muslim sexual slavery… Yeah, right. If this was Muslim sexual slavery, British barristers would be ADDING A NEW CATEGORY OF SEXUAL CRIME TO THEIR LAWS!!! This was simply prostitution.”
No it isn’t. You are trying to pretend this is some scenario where these girls were doing this voluntarily and turning a profit for themselves, with a free voluntary relationship with their “pimps” (that’s your term; but mine is captors). Your claims are nonsense. As was shown in the original thread, you could not provide even a single example in which the girl was not forced. The cases we are talking about involve forced prostitution, which is sexual slavery. The girls were not charged at all, much less as “prostitutes”. Those men weren’t charged with being pimps; they were charged with crimes such as rape, sexual assault, child abduction, sexual trafficking, and other violent offenses.
They don’t need to add a new category of crime to their laws in order to prosecute Muslims who practice sexual slavery. All they have to do is apply the laws they have now, which they, until recently, had failed to do for over two decades.
http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Easy-Meat-Multiculturalism-Islam-and-Child-Sex-Slavery-05-03-2014.pdf
And again, as I said in the original thread, the practices of the Muslims gangs in the U.K. do not have to be textbook examples of classical Islamic sexual slavery to be Islamically justified, motivated, inspired. There is always variation in practice. It is part of Islamicate culture. Muslims are permitted to rape non-Muslim women and girls under a wide variety of circumstances, and to enslave them, and those are the main points. The commercial or “prostitution” aspect–the fact that these predators made money off of the girls–is not the relevant point. This site is not “prostitution watch.” The rape and the enslavement are the central points, which are Islamic, and which fit with widespread Muslim male attitudes in Europe and elsewhere regarding non-Muslim females.
Jay Boo says
Americana said:
“when it comes to actually writing a description of what was done w/these girls, it’s described LEGALLY as PROSTITUTION.
WRONG
It is describe LEGALLY as sharia
BY MUSLIMS
Jay Boo says
The Qur’an will imply when unable to pass off a lie.
Champ says
Here’s proof from my email box that “americana” was banned TWICE …
And I won’t provide a link to this email exchange; and I’ve also erased my email address for my own privacy.
I wrote Marc:
Hi Marc,
Do you remember a poster by the name of “Americana”? …well, she was banned about a year ago, and now she’s back:
Americana
April 20, 2014 at 10:33 am
I’ve got a debate thesis for these two!!#$!!
What about debating the CONSTRUCTION OF A RELIGION and the subsequent nature of competition for religious adherents by the founders of religions? Because despite some thinking their religion is the ONLY TRUE religion, there are far, far too many shared evolutionary components between ALL religions that arise from various streams of their common pagan religious theistic roots. Religions are shrouded in mystery unless one looks at a designed religion like Scientology (chuckle), but it’s very strange there are soooo many of the same elements to the founding principles and the curriculum vitae of founding individuals of all the world’s major religions to not question the evolutionary tree of religions. At any rate, this might be an interesting debate challenge for both scholars.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/03/easter-pagan-symbolism
From the above link:
Easter is a pagan festival. If Easter isn’t really about Jesus, then what is it about? Today, we see a secular culture celebrating the spring equinox, whilst religious culture celebrates the resurrection. However, early Christianity made a pragmatic acceptance of ancient pagan practises, most of which we enjoy today at Easter. The general symbolic story of the death of the son (sun) on a cross (the constellation of the Southern Cross) and his rebirth, overcoming the powers of darkness, was a well worn story in the ancient world. There were plenty of parallel, rival resurrected saviours too.
The Sumerian goddess Inanna, or Ishtar, was hung naked on a stake, and was subsequently resurrected and ascended from the underworld. One of the oldest resurrection myths is Egyptian Horus. Born on 25 December, Horus and his damaged eye became symbols of life and rebirth. Mithras was born on what we now call Christmas day, and his followers celebrated the spring equinox. Even as late as the 4th century AD, the sol invictus, associated with Mithras, was the last great pagan cult the church had to overcome. Dionysus was a divine child, resurrected by his grandmother. Dionysus also brought his mum, Semele, back to life.
In an ironic twist, the Cybele cult flourished on today’s Vatican Hill. Cybele’s lover Attis, was born of a virgin, died and was reborn annually. This spring festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday, rising to a crescendo after three days, in rejoicing over the resurrection. There was violent conflict on Vatican Hill in the early days of Christianity between the Jesus worshippers and pagans who quarrelled over whose God was the true, and whose the imitation. What is interesting to note here is that in the ancient world, wherever you had popular resurrected god myths, Christianity found lots of converts. So, eventually Christianity came to an accommodation with the pagan Spring festival. Although we see no celebration of Easter in the New Testament, early church fathers celebrated it, and today many churches are offering “sunrise services” at Easter – an obvious pagan solar celebration. The date of Easter is not fixed, but instead is governed by the phases of the moon – how pagan is that?
All the fun things about Easter are pagan. Bunnies are a leftover from the pagan festival of Eostre, a great northern goddess whose symbol was a rabbit or hare. Exchange of eggs is an ancient custom, celebrated by many cultures. Hot cross buns are very ancient too. In the Old Testament we see the Israelites baking sweet buns for an idol, and religious leaders trying to put a stop to it. The early church clergy also tried to put a stop to sacred cakes being baked at Easter. In the end, in the face of defiant cake-baking pagan women, they gave up and blessed the cake instead.
This thread:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/brandeis-prof-joseph-lumbard-promises-to-dominate-robert-spencer-in-debate-then-runs-away/comment-page-1#comment-1039429
Sincerely,
Champ
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Marc responds to me:
marc louis
Apr 21 (12 days ago)
to Robert, me
my fave is “Born on 25 December, Horus” a whole millenia or two before 25th December even existed
Israelites baking buns for idols. that’s a funny connection they made there,
it’s always Roberts call on these things.
Robert then wrote Marc and me:
Robert Spencer
Apr 21 (12 days ago)
to marc, me
You can ban — I am flat out with work — would appreciate if you could handle
And Marc’s final response to Robert and me:
marc louis
Apr 21 (12 days ago)
to Robert, me
all comments history and banned by IP
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So I wasn’t twisting and contorting anything, and “americana” was banned twice. The date of the email’s between me, Marc and Robert, show April 21, so “americana” reemerged 12 days ago, not a month ago.
Champ says
Additionally …
Even though all of “americana’s” comments were removed from that other thread, dated April 21, there still remains evidence that she did comment on that thread courtesy Gravenimage, who wrote:
gravenimage
April 21, 2014 at 3:44 pm
“Americana” wrote:
I’ve got a debate thesis for these two!!#$!!
What about debating the CONSTRUCTION OF A RELIGION and the subsequent nature of competition for religious adherents by the founders of religions?…
The general symbolic story of the death of the son (sun) on a cross (the constellation of the Southern Cross) and his rebirth…
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It seems that “Americana” is way off on her details. The idea that the Christian crucifixion has to do with the constellation of the Southern Cross—something people of the Levant, Near East, and Europe had never seen until the Age of Exploration—is ridiculous. It is clearly a reference to crucifixion as carried out by the Romans.
In fact, the constellation of the Southern Cross was named in reference to the crucifixion of Christ, not vice versa.
Much has been written about Christianity’s absorbing and transforming elements of pre-Christian festivals—she might consider this somehow “damning”, but no Christian does. It is just an interesting part of history.
Islam, of course, does not acknowledge having any aspects of “Jahillya”.
But ultimately, these are just discrete points.
What is “American’s” main ploy here? Simply more moral equivalence—the idea that Islam and Christianity are of a piece, which is quite false.
It is also intended to imply that Robert Spencer really has no problem with Islam except that it is a rival “pagan” religion to Christianity.
But Robert Spencer is not proselytizing—his concerns are with the horrifyingly oppressive and violent threat of supremacist Islam not just to Christians, but to *all* Infidels.
And *that* is what “Americana” seeks to obscure.
Here’s the thread:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/brandeis-prof-joseph-lumbard-promises-to-dominate-robert-spencer-in-debate-then-runs-away#comments
gravenimage says
Champ wrote:
Here’s proof from my email box that “americana” was banned TWICE …
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Quite right, Camp. Anyone reading that thread you linked to will find it quite apparent that all of “Americana’s” posts were removed.
As to why she is still able to post, I don’t believe this is any great mystery.
The “casual” Post a Comment system calls for the poster to enter their username and email (the email does not appear in the post).
Once my username just appeared as “g” because I didn’t check to see if my whole username showed up. My guess is that the actual tracking is done by email.
A lot of people have more more than one email. My guess is that “Americana” is simply logging in under a different email from the one she was using last month.
Comprehensive banning may not be as straightforward as it was under the old TypePad and IntenseDebate systems, where a poster had to formally log in.
None of this changes the fact, though, that “Americana” *has* been banned here twice.
gravenimage says
Sorry—that should have been “Champ”, of course.
Champ ♥ says
🙂
Champ says
A journalist is going to have a FIELD DAY w/you, Champ!!! Honest to God, you’re going to be the height of their research when you come off w/these sorts of wacko self-deluding comments.
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Wow the height of their research? lol! …which will prove pretty boring for the “journalist” since I haven’t written anything untruthful or derogatory towards “americana”. Ms americana will get some poor “journalist” excited over MY wacky comments, only to be very disappointed that I didn’t deliver as promised.
Again, this thread serves as a record; as do all the threads, and anything coming from “americana” is here-say because she offers no substance and no proof of her allegations against me.
Keep the malarkey comin’ “americana” this is good stuff …yeah it’s more material to ban you over.
Champ ｯ says
If I’ve been banned then why are my comments still appearing?
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Why is “americana” asking stupid questions when SHE holds the answer to that query …
And we all know that she was banned at least one time–so what did she do, get a new email address? Will she be honest and tell us her *secret*? Hmm …
voegelinian says
As I noted the first time around when Americana made his big inaugural splash (and continued subsequent splashing and thrashing), much of what he does smacks of being calculated — pretending to be emotional; pretending to be aggrieved by this or that; pretending to care about personal snipes and returning those in kind tit-for-tat; etc. (indeed, his initial banning had all the earmarks of a “suicide-by-cop” (or Suicide-by-Spencer) whereby Americana was obviously, as far as I could tell, extravagantly egging on the powers that be here to ban him (and for him to be complaining now about being some kind of victim of banning would be just another pretense). On a related note, the personal biography bullshit he wove (and continues to purvey in pointed affectations here and there of earnestly affronted allusion) smacks of fanciful invention skirting the edge (pun intended) of a transvestite burlesque (e.g., he claims to be a Bostonian woman who sleeps with “her” official rescue dogs!).
This, in turn, would fit into a larger scheme of a strategy of standard Islamopologist obfuscation, I suppose; though I’m not sure what exactly is being accomplished in the mind of Americana (one shudders to place oneself there even for an imaginative moment…). I for one was never convinced that long-winded diversions and digressions in a given comments field seriously undermines the counter-jihad, as I hope and trust that readers will notice posts like Americana’s and within a few seconds will know to bypass them as so many piles of glittering excrement (or perhaps to linger now and again if only for the entertainment value of watching intelligent JWers skewer Americana’s hills-of-beans-&-turds for regular barbecues).
voegelinian says
Note to new readers: There was a guy (or gal) named “Americana” who was generating a lot of needless distractions to the main topic, and apparently he (or she) has been banned and all his (or her) comments scrubbed — though the ruins and detritus of his (or her) rampage remains here and there in the comments of many other people here, either quoted verbatim or in mentions.
I recommend that one or more JWers copy this thread for the next time he (or she) waltzes back in (perhaps in the guise of a female muckraking journalist).
dumbledoresarmy says
Memo to anyone new to the site and the subject who may have lobbed in here or who may do so in future, and who has persevered thus far down the thread (and will have deduced that there has been a Disruptor posting copiously, whose posts have been deleted, but the replies to which have been left intact):
please go right back up to the top and re-read the posted article about the Muslim rapper in the Netherlands who declared that he hates gays and that he hates Jews more than the Nazis did.
Whenever and wherever there is such a frantic flurry of Disruptor activity, it is at least probable that it is intended to distract us from reflecting on the article that Mr Spencer has brought to our attention.
So: refuse to be distracted.
gravenimage says
Well, it looks as though “Americana” is gone—like Champ, I hope that “third time’s a charm”, as well.
Although, really, I suppose this is really more an enforcement of the second banning…
Good news, in any case.
Kudos to everyone here—Champ, Voegelinian, Mirren, et al—who ably countered her vicious nonsense.