“We are determined not to let lines be drawn from Syria today to a future 9/11,” says Comey. But the FBI is now forbidden, as a matter of policy, to examine the motives and goals of jihad terrorists, since that would lead them into examinations of Islam, and in 2011 John Brennan, then Homeland Security Advisor and now director of the CIA, assured 57 Muslim and allied organizations, many of which had ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, that counter-terror training would be scrubbed of all mention of Islam and jihad in connection with terrorism, and counter-terror trainers (including me) who had trained FBI agents and military officers about the beliefs and goals of the jihadis, would be dismissed. So Comey’s FBI is abjectly unequipped to deal with jihadis returning to the U.S. from Syria, and jihadis anywhere else.
“FBI: Flow of foreign fighters into Syria growing,” by Eric Tucker, Associated Press, May 2, 2014:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The flow of foreign fighters into Syria has grown in just the last few months, with dozens of Americans joining the county’s conflict along with thousands of Europeans, FBI Director James Comey said Friday.
U.S. law enforcement officials have expressed concern about the influence of hard-line jihadists in Syria, many of them linked to al-Qaida, as they seek to overthrow President Bashar Assad. They say fighters from the U.S. or Europe looking to join the cause could easily become radicalized and import those influences when they return home.
Speaking to reporters, Comey said the number of Americans who have either traveled to Syria or sought to do so had grown by a few dozen since the start of the year, and that there are Americans in Syria who are trying to bring others over.
Comey compared the situation to that of Afghanistan when thousands of Muslims worldwide who traveled to the country during the 10-year Soviet occupation returned home with the fervor of jihad and sometimes sought to overthrow their own governments.
“All of us with a memory of the `80s and `90s saw the line drawn from Afghanistan in the `80s and `90s to Sept. 11,” he said. “We see Syria as that, but an order of magnitude worse,” because more foreign fighters are going there and the country is easier to get to.
He added: “We are determined not to let lines be drawn from Syria today to a future 9/11.”
dumbledoresarmy says
From the article – “The flow of foreign fighters into Syria has grown in just the last few months, with dozens of Americans joining the county’s conflict along with thousands of Europeans”.
How it should have been worded – “The flow of foreign Muslim fighters into Syria has grown in just the last few months, with dozens of American-passport-holding Muslims joining the county’s conflict along with thousands of Muslims holding European passports.”
These people are not in any meaningful sense of the word either “American” or “European”.
Their loyalty, as they are showing by their actions, is manifestly given to the Ummah, the transnational Mohammedan Mob or Empire of Islam, the Allah Gang (though to its Sunni division, most probably, rather than to its Shiite division).
Their departure for the Jihad in Syria would not be a problem at all – it would be a Good Thing for us Infidels – if they were allowed to depart and then prevented from ever returning…whether by removal of citizenship or residency status, or by declaring them “Exile and Outlaw”.
Better out than in, as Hagrid says to Ron Weasley when, having been hexed by Malfoy, he starts coughing up big black slugs.
Let them go.
DON’T let them back in.
Oh, and by the way, not importing any *more* mohammedans into our countries would also be a good idea.
Stop importing them. And…do nothing to prevent those already present from deporting themselves, seeing as so many of them – the most dangerous, the immediately-jihadminded young men of military age, and some young women – are so very, very eager to do just that.
Salah says
“.. it would be a Good Thing for us Infidels – if they were allowed to depart and then prevented from ever returning…”
Agree 100%
Curious Teenager says
The Harry Potter analogy is an excellent way to view this situation. If these people want to go to Syria for jihad and do their duty for Allah, so be it. However, who knows what could happen if we let them back into the country? Based on the ridiculous effort by the government trying not to be offensive to any one or anything, I find it highly possible that these seriously misguided people will be let back into the country without a word. Why have we allowed ourselves not to speak out in the Land of the Free? Not a day goes by where all of us say something that might hurt someone else or we have a thought but choose to keep it to ourselves as not to step on any one’s toes. “Freedom of Speech” in this place is being destroyed by the mere thought of offending someone. If you have the right to offend someone (freedom of speech), than isn’t it reasonable that we will be offended at some point? If we let these people back into the United States, we might as well be inviting the terrorists to attack us. The stupidity of those that run our country is enough for them to come swooping in and they wouldn’t bat an eye.
dumbledoresarmy says
Curious Teenager
this is sorta offtopic, but a propos Harry Potter, I think you might enjoy reading the discussion in this jihadwatch thread from July 26 2007.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/07/harry-potter-zionist-agent.html
The mad mullahs of Iran had decided that the “Harry Potter” books and movies were all an eeevil Zionist plot…
And so we had a long and very interesting conversation, those of us who frequented jihadwatch at that time.
Geordie says
Although I agree with almost everything you have written here, it needs to be said that most of the jihadi fighters are second generation immigrants from Commonwealth countries. Which means they were born here in the UK and in that legal sense they are British subjects with the same rights as everyone else.
(The US situation is something I do not know enough about to comment.)
In our British democracy with legal obligations to Europe and the human rights act, that is no small matter and is the reason why a solution is so difficult to implement. Do you follow?
There are differences between the way US and UK approach the problem. For example, recognising that the majority of home grown jihadists are second generation muslim immigrants, is not a problem here. The level of routine and targeted surveillance of the UK populous is considerably higher than in the US. We are not covered by a constitution and we have the official secrets act to prevent FOI requests. That is why the USA base so much of the echelon system on UK soil. In short, the UK security forces ability to deal with the problem far exceeds the political and legal will to do so. That is a very important point, do you understand?
eib says
Let them go, slam the door.
Once they’re gone, their citizenship should be wiped. Forgotten.
Never to return.
Mazo says
Ron hexed himself , and Harry Potter is also not banned in any Muslim country. It is sold in Arabic, Persian, Chinese, and I’ve seen these versions myself.
It was the Vatican which said Harry Potter is Satanic.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/arts/harry-potter-satanic-popes-exorcist/2006/08/31/1156817037586.html
Harry Potter ‘satanic’: Pope’s exorcist
By Linda Morris
September 1, 2006
The Vatican has never been a fan of Harry Potter, but its chief exorcist has gone one step further and condemned J. K. Rowling’s fictional boy wizard as downright evil.
“Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil,” Father Gabriele Amorth, the Pope’s “caster-out of demons”, said.
The books contained many positive references to the satanic art, falsely drawing a distinction between black and white magic, he told the Daily Mail in London. Father Amorth also said he was convinced that Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler were possessed by the devil.
Last year the Pope, then Cardinal Ratzinger, described Harry Potter as a potentially corrupting influence. The Vatican’s criticism comes as two Australian academics suggest a new generation of spiritual seekers are using popular fiction and medieval myth to add magic and enchantment to their lives. Lynne Hume and Kathleen McPhillips, editors of a new collection of essays on popular spiritualities, said sacred religious texts and scriptures were in many places being superceded by medieval myths, comics and fantasy literature.
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/inquiries-and-interviews/detail/articolo/diavolo-devil-diablo-amorth-yoga-10271/
Projection much? You want me to quote Orthodox Church leaders on this issue or are you only interested in falsely smearing one religion?
George says
(The Vatican has never been a fan of Harry Potter, but its chief exorcist has gone one step further and condemned J. K. Rowling’s fictional boy wizard as downright evil.
“Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil,” Father Gabriele Amorth, the Pope’s “caster-out of demons”, said.)
That should be sufficient information for any rational person to walk away from roman catholicism with a clean conscience. At least J. K. Rowling has the honesty to openly admit the books and characters are fictitious nonsense. Which is more than be said for the pompous spoon bending Gabi Amorth, with his tales of snarks and hobgoblins. Proof positive that christianity can be a dangerous delusion in the hands of the devious.
Champ says
Hi, George! …so glad to see you posting again 🙂
Geordie (George) says
My pleasure, always aim to please.
Any mention of exorcism and I cannot resist a dig at the RC bunch. Did you know that they claim a rank system of angels and demons?
Also, and this is a hoot. The key to beating a demon is to trick it into telling a priest it’s name. Ho ho ho Yes, Rumpelstiltskin! Incredible but true.
Still, in keeping with the spirit (joke) of the forum. Exorcism for the mentally ill is better than muslim decapitation. Personally I would go for medication and therapy but each to their own.
Michael Copeland says
The hostilities or “acts of war” (jihad) will by no means be restricted to Syria.
“Prophet said ”Islam is one nation TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHERS ”” (placard in Oxford Street demonstration for Sharia in Libya youtube ThinkAfricaPress).
“One nation. One war” (other placards, other demonstrations).
That is carte blanche to take the warfare everywhere.
Geordie says
“The hostilities or “acts of war” (jihad) will by no means be restricted to Syria.
“Prophet said ”Islam is one nation TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHERS ”” (placard in Oxford Street demonstration for Sharia in Libya youtube ThinkAfricaPress).
“One nation. One war” (other placards, other demonstrations).
That is carte blanche to take the warfare everywhere.”
They kindly line up in front of the cameras and talk away on their easily cloned mobile phones in full view. Then they wonder how they get arrested after planning a bomb attack, after buying the materials with their credit cards but before they can build it. Sheer coincidence, divine intervention or something else.
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Totally unconnected and coincidental.
A huge thank you to our often unappreciated security forces. Over worked and severely under paid for the daily risks they take on our behalf. People never learn of their successes only the occasional alleged failures. Failures always the result of poor political judgement, over restrictive SOP’s and never resulting from lack of effort or self sacrifice on their part.
I salute you!
Notta_allah_followa says
America may not survive much longer under the Obama regime, who by all appearances, is actively trying to destroy us with his policies, from cultural jihad, to economic jihad to warfare jihad. By not canceling these passports, Obama is effectively training a jihadi army to fight in Syria and elsewhere and then come home to wreak havoc. It is nothing short of treasonous. American patriots, you are on your own for at least the next three years, and it is unknown if we can ever recover as a union. Prepare now, arm yourselves and keep vigilant. Semper paratus…
Stephen Rohaty says
Comey, you poor schmuck, those going to another country to fight are ALREADY radicalized, to some belief or other. And what happened to the quaint legalism that any citizen who joined another army AUTOMATICALLY lost his American citizenship? The rationale was that no-one could be equally loyal to 2 different governments at the same time.
Mirren10 says
” They say fighters from the U.S. or Europe looking to join the cause could easily become radicalized and import those influences when they return home.”
More wilful stupidity, more wilful blindness. If they weren’t **already** ‘radicalised’, they wouldn’t have gone in the first place.
And where did they become ‘radicalised’ ? Why, in the mosques of Europe and the US, listening to the words of the imams in the mosques of Europe and the US.
”Speaking to reporters, Comey said the number of Americans who have either traveled to Syria or sought to do so had grown by a few dozen since the start of the year, and that there are Americans in Syria who are trying to bring others over.”
No. It is mohammedans carrying American **passports** who have travelled to Syria. Their allegiance is to islam and the ummah, not America, democracy, freedom and equality.
It is mohammedans with American passports in Syria, ”who are trying to bring others over.
”He added: “We are determined not to let lines be drawn from Syria today to a future 9/11.”
What witless meandering. That is exactly what will happen, unless they are **not allowed back in**.
tpellow says
“BRITISH JIHADI ACCUSED OF SYRIA WAR CRIME”
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/02/British-Jihadis-Accused-Of-Syria-War-Crime
dumbledoresarmy says
The point of my quote from Harry Potter was the English proverb or saying used by Hagrid – “Better out than in”.
*That* – and its relevance to the situation we are discussing – remains completely valid irrespective of *how* Ron came to be coughing up slugs.
And then our sly and nit-picking defender of Islam fell back , predictably, upon “tu quoque” – “But some Christians didn’t like the books either!!” – when, in an “aside” to “Curious Teenager”, I linked to a report from some years ago, on the subject of certain Iranian Muslims who had declared Harry Potter to be a “Zionist plot”.
Totally irrelevant. It doesn’t alter the fact that *some Iranian Muslims* DID condemn the books…and exposed their rabid antisemitism at the same time.
As for the books being sold in Arabic, Persian and Chinese..
China is not a Muslim country, so the availability of “Harry Potter” in China is irrelevant if one is discussing is what *Muslims* think about Rowling’s books.
Assuming that the Arabic and Farsi translations are reasonably *accurate* renditions of the originals, then if they *are* available, jolly good…because every person who reads them is being exposed to moral teachings that are far superior to – and radically different from – those of Islam.
Mazo says
Every Muslim I know whose read Harry Potter is still a Muslim, and hasn’t had any thought of leaving Islam. You have no idea of how normal their lives would seem to you, if you weren’t so full of hatred and loathing.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030304135335/http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100021_14/01/2003_25190
Church: Harry Potter film a font of evil
Church authorities in Thrace are determined to take the magic out of Harry Potter, as the latest film featuring the fictional teenage English magician opened in the area.
In a statement yesterday, the Orthodox see of Didymoteicho quoted international Potter-bashers to argue that H.K. Rowling’s books encourage children to visit Satanist websites, while their hero has ersatz Christ-like attributes.
β€(The books and films) acquaint people with evil, wizardry, the occult and demonology,β€ the announcement said. β€It is beyond doubt that Harry was made to resemble a young savior. Upon his birth people try to kill him, he is forever subjected to injustice but always supernaturally manages to prevail and save others. Let us reflect, who else… is held to be the unjustly treated God?β€
Greece has no tradition of children’s books about sorcery and magic, a long-established genre in English literature.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120224074436/http://www.eni.ch/articles/display.shtml?04-0394
Bulgarian church warns against the spell of Harry Potter
Clive Leviev-Sawyer
Sofia (ENI). The Bulgarian Orthodox Church has lashed out against popular fictional boy wizard Harry Potter, warning that magic spells are both real and dangerous.
In a front-page article in the June edition of the official church newspaper, followed by an interview by a senior church official with the mass-circulation daily newspaper 24 Chassa (24 Hours) on 26 June, the church said “magic is not a children’s game”.
Bishop Gavrail told the newspaper that the church was not in favour of J. K. Rowling’s Harry Potter books and films, because magic existed in reality. The bishop’s comments followed reports that a Bulgarian boy, Stanislav Ianevski, had been cast for the next Harry Potter movie, “Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire”. The boy would play the part of Viktor Krum, who in the story is a Bulgarian champion in a fictional team game called Quidditch.
The Harry Potter books and films have proved hugely popular in Bulgaria. All the books have been translated into Bulgarian, and the films are released for cinemas in English with Bulgarian sub-titles, and on videos dubbed into Bulgarian.
Bishop Gavrail said the church’s holy synod had recommended that people go every Thursday to a church in Bulgaria’s capital of Sofia where special services are held to help those said to be afflicted by spells and curses or possessed by evil spirits.
Church-backed pamphlets have been posted around the city, including near cinemas and areas where children play, saying that repeating the spells in the Harry Potter books “is as if you are praying to evil” and that “God hates magic”.
Harry Potter did not represent a force for good, the pamphlets said, because this was the preserve of God.
“It is not a magic wand that will save you, only adhering to the Christian faith and the 10 commandments,” Gavrail told 24 Chassa. He said that the Bulgarian Orthodox Church’s condemnation of Harry Potter was shared by other Orthodox churches, and the Roman Catholic Church.
The Harry Potter books, Gavrail said, should be read only “by those with very, very strong faith, who will not be harmed by the magic and incantations used by the dark forces in the book” so that they can help those who are harmed by it.
Geordie says
Mazo wrote: ” … You have no idea of how normal their lives would seem to you, if you weren’t so full of hatred and loathing.”
Praying head down arse up, 5 times each day while emulating the sexually depraved behaviour of a primitive warlord, is not normal! Neither is giving sadaqah to fund jihad.
You confuse the behaviour of muslims restrained by civilised western laws with that of muslims in a majority islamic state. many have fled islamic states to enjoy our freedoms! Ironic.
Mazo says
They read Harry Potter IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
dumbledoresarmy says
above, the mohammedan mazo, who makes a practice of trying to attack me at every opportunity he can get, thought he could get some mileage out of 1/a small slip I made in recalling the precise detail of a particular incident (though in fact, this made absolutely no difference to the *point* of the line that I quoted – “Better out than in” – or the application of that phrase to the situation of infidel lands some of whose resident mohammedthugs are galloping off to Syria to wage jihad
and 2/ attempts to diminish the effect of some extra info I gave to Curious Teenager – that is, that certain of the mad Islamic clerics of Iran had, some years ago now, declared the Harry Potter books and movies to be a “Zionist plot” – by spewing forth a mass of tu quoque about a/ some Catholics (but not all Catholics) and b/ some Orthodox who had expressed disapproval of the themes in the books.
But: disapproval of the books expressed by some – not all – Christian clergy does nothing whatever to alter the fact that some Iranian muslim clerics called the Harry Potter books and movies a “Zionist plot”…thus betraying their very-thoroughly-and-typically-Muslim conspiracy thinking and antisemitism.
And as for the validity of mazo’s anecdotal claim that “Every Muslim I know whose read Harry Potter is still a Muslim, and hasn’t had any thought of leaving Islam”, I would respond: it doesn’t prove anything, because he doesn’t know what some of those people – let alone the possibly hundreds of thousands of *others* that he doesn’t know at all, all over the world – will do in the *future*, say, ten, fifteen, twenty years down the track. How long did it take, between Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a young Muslim teenager in the school library in Kenya reading (and very much enjoying) Hans Christian Andersen and Grimm’s Fairy Tales and all the other fun, liberating, soul-awakening things that she *did* read, and her final apostasy, when she was safely in the Netherlands? Something like fifteen or twenty years. Those western children’s books – fun, different, entertaining – that she devoured in that school library in Kenya were part of a long, long journey. They helped.
And I see absolutely no reason why, among all the raised-in-Muslim-families young Muslims whom mazo tells us have read the Harry Potter books, whether in China or anywhere else, in “Muslim” lands or in non-Muslim lands, those books may not turn out to be part of the journey of *future* Ayaan Hirsi Alis.
I think it perfectly probable that there are young people whom mazo has never met and will never meet and doesn’t know about at all, who are still quietly chewing over the new ideas they have encountered, and taking the first baby steps toward an eventual apostasy from Islam; even while dozens or hundreds of their fellow-Muslims are, instead, becoming the real life equivalent of Death Eaters and rushing off to Syria to slay and be slain.
Mazo says
And it was Iran’s Culture and Islamic Guidance Ministry which approved the Harry Potter books to be sold in Iran. Another red herring by Voldemort’s Army.
Muslims have been reading western books for over 100 years already, are you one of those fools who think that the entire world revolves around the west and that non-westerners know nothing?
dumbledoresarmy says
Above, the mohammedan mazo, who never misses an opportunity to attack, attack, attack me, always using an insulting nickname that he seems to think is just soooo funny, seems to think he has scored some kind of point by saying – in response to my having pointed out that some Iranian clerics (did I say “all”? – no) had declared Harry Potter to be a Zionist plot – that the sale of the Harry Potter books in Iran had been approved by Iran’s “Culture and Islamic Guidance Ministry”.
Also, did I say anywhere that the sale of the books had been banned in Iran? No.
Because the original article that I linked, when this subject came up, said: “In an article, the Iranian daily Kayhan, **which is identified with Iranian Supreme Leader ‘Ali Khamenei** [my emphasis – dda], criticized Iran’s Culture and Islamic Guidance Ministry for approving the distribution of the new book in the “Harry Potter” series.”
As for his claim about mohammedans having read Western books for “1000 years”….
Define “Western” books. Which ones? Read by how many people? Where? – among Arabs? Turks? Persians? In the original languages, or in translation (and translated by whom?). And just what percentage of assorted mohammedan populations were literate in, say, AD 1014? AD 1214? AD 1514? AD 1614? AD 1614? 1714? I know that literacy levels even today are not that crash-hot in quite a few Islamic countries.
I do know that the *printing press*, invented by Western Infidels, and eagerly adopted by the Jews of Safed for instance, was initially *resisted* by Muslims.
And none of that precludes the possibility that some of those who read “western” books today – **Including the vernacular translations of the Christian scriptures, most of which translations are of recent date, such as the translations into Kazakh, Azeri, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Tajik and Uzbek** – may, partly as a result of that reading, apostasise. Mazo *cannot* say categorically that *none* of them will.
I wasn’t claiming that all or even most or many of them would, just that – going by the example of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who is not the only apostate around – *some* will.