“If Muslims claim that they have no intention of changing American culture or laws, then why are they so upset when Americans take measures to prevent it from happening?” That is the $64,000 question. Hamas-linked CAIR and its allied groups in the U.S. routinely insist that they have no intention, now or ever, of fighting to introduce any element of Sharia into the U.S., and that therefore these anti-Sharia bills deserve only ridicule. Yet they fight them strenuously, with everything they’ve got. Why, if they’re so ridiculous?
“FL Senate Dems Vote against Bill to Protect Women from Sharia Law,” by Dave Jolly, Godfather Politics, May 3, 2014 (thanks to Bob):
…Islamic or sharia law treats women as nothing more than disposable property. Under sharia law, a Muslim father, brother, uncle, husband or son can beat, rape, torture and even kill a female relative if he believes that she has done anything wrong or caused shame on the family.
I just reported the case of an Arizona Muslim who held his wife against her will, raped and beat her and then threatened to kill her. He told her that Islamic law allows him to kill her because he suspected she might be having an affair.
A number of states have been trying to take steps from allowing sharia law to enter the courtrooms in their states. Several of the laws that were passed early on were overturned in courts because they specifically mentioned sharia or Islamic law. So state legislators got wise and began drafting bills that referred to international and foreign laws instead on mentioning sharia or Islamic laws. The states that have passed laws to restrict the use of international or foreign laws in their courts include Arizona, Kansas, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Dakota and Tennessee.
Florida is now working to pass a similar law. State Sen. Alan Hays (R-Umatilla) introduced SB 386 which would restrict any foreign or international law from being used in any Florida court in matters of divorce, alimony, division of marital assets, child support and custody.
Hayes commented about his reason for introducing the bill:
“For those people who want to come to America we welcome them, but when you come to America you’re going to be governed on American laws and when you come to Florida you’re going to be governed on Florida laws. We dare not apologize for that, folks. This is a very good bill. It’s an all American bill.”
The bill was scrutinized by a staff review which stated:
“As religion is not mentioned at all, the court will deem it facially neutral. A court will then apply the Lemon test (a legal test), and likely find both a secular government purpose and that the law does not facilitate excessive governmental entanglement with religion. Because of this, a court will likely uphold the law from a First Amendment challenge.”
The Florida Senate voted on the bill and it passed 24-14. There are 14 Democrats in the Florida State Senate and all 14 voted against the bill. Some of the Democrats commented that they voted against the bill because they felt it targeted specific religious groups, referring to Islam. The bill has now gone to the House where a similar bill passed last year.
Prior to the vote, the Florida chapter of CAIR, an Islamic group that has been linked to Islamic extremists and terrorists in the past, sent letters to GOP senators urging them to reject the bill. Hassan Shilby, Chief Executive Director of CAIR-FL wrote:
“If you remain silent while party organizations invite Islamophobic speakers and GOP legislators support bills driven by anti-Muslim bias, your party risks alienating one of the fastest growing groups of American voters. Florida now has 150,000 registered Muslim voters. The GOP cannot afford to continue to alienate a minority growing in influence, especially in a key swing state such as Florida.”
If Muslims claim that they have no intention of changing American culture or laws, then why are they so upset when Americans take measures to prevent it from happening?
Precisely.
State Sen. Eleanor Sobel (D-Hollywood) said she opposed the bill because no foreign laws have ever been implemented in Florida courts or in the courts of any other state. Evidently she is unaware of the case in Pennsylvania where Islamic law was used to dismiss an assault case involving a Muslim man beating an atheist dressed like a zombie Muhammad for Halloween. The assault was caught on video and witnessed by a police officer. The judge, who just happened to be a convert to Islam dismissed the case and chastised the victim because what he did was an offense to Islam….
The Judge was not actually a convert to Islam. He made an ambiguous remark that gave that impression. But otherwise the point is sound.
Veracious_one says
what’s up with the Democrats? oh wait, they’re Democraats
umbra says
exactly.
Shane says
Democrats and liberals are on the side of the Muslims and view conservative Christians as their greatest enemy. How stupid are the libs to not know that the Muslims will turn on them if they ever get power in the USA or any Western nation? Most liberals in the West are gutless dhimmis.
veggiedog says
There are other conservatives in addition to Conservative Christians. We really need to be careful of how we classify this.
Ralph says
“Political Correctness, what does it mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say, so telling us what to do can’t be far behind. Before you claim to be a champion of free thought, tell me: Why did political correctness originate on American campuses? And why do you continue to tolerate it? Why do you, who’re supposed to debate ideas, surrender to suppression? Lets be honest who thinks professors can say what they really believe? It scares me to death, and should scare you too, that the superstition of political correctness rules the halls of reason.” – Charlton Heston’s speech at Harvard Law School
Ralph says
“Political Correctness, what does it mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say, so telling us what to do can’t be far behind. Before you claim to be a champion of free thought, tell me: Why did political correctness originate on American campuses? And why do you continue to tolerate it? Why do you, who’re supposed to debate ideas, surrender to suppression? Lets be honest who thinks professors can say what they really believe? It scares me to death, and should scare you too, that the superstition of political correctness rules the halls of reason.” – Charlton Heston’s speech at Harvard Law School
Angemon says
““For those people who want to come to America we welcome them, but when you come to America you’re going to be governed on American laws and when you come to Florida you’re going to be governed on Florida laws. We dare not apologize for that, folks.”
That should go without saying.
““As religion is not mentioned at all, the court will deem it facially neutral.”
And yet:
“The Florida Senate voted on the bill and it passed 24-14. There are 14 Democrats in the Florida State Senate and all 14 voted against the bill. Some of the Democrats commented that they voted against the bill because they felt it targeted specific religious groups, referring to Islam.”
I don’t particularly care why they think it’s specifically against islam when it mentions no religion at all. I do care why they choose to protect a specific religion instead of women rights in matters of divorce, alimony, division of marital assets, child support and custody. Where are the feminist groups? Why aren’t they trying to subject those 14 individuals to one of their public shamings?
“State Sen. Eleanor Sobel (D-Hollywood) said she opposed the bill because no foreign laws have ever been implemented in Florida courts or in the courts of any other state.”
>_<
*facepalm*
Would she oppose a law that prohibited people from dropping cows on women because no one ever dropped a cow on her? Does she know what prevention means? If this kind of laws are being passed it's to *prevent* foreign laws from being implemented. No one implementing one yet doesn't mean that no one ever will. A 10-year-old could figure that out. But not State Sen. Eleanor Sobel.
Good grief!
Steffen Larsen says
Begins an old Danish Law dated March 10, 1241: “With law shall land be built. For if all men would be content with what is theirs, and let others enjoy the same rights, there would be no need of law. If the land had no law, then he would have the most who could grab the most.”
One law, and one law only.
BlueRaven says
“The Florida Senate voted on the bill and it passed 24-14. There are 14 Democrats in the Florida State Senate and all 14 voted against the bill. Some of the Democrats commented that they voted against the bill because they felt it targeted specific religious groups, referring to Islam.”
Dems make my blood boil. Are they all under Islamic spell, I figured Obama and Hiliary are, big time the traitors.
mortimer says
Sharia law ‘targets’ all kafirs and women and removes their human rights and civil liberties.
RCCA says
Do Muslims in the US vote as a block? I doubt it. I know that Democrats/liberals (acting as useful idiots for Islamic supremacists) want to simplify this issue as being anti minority. A useful poll would be to ask American Muslims how they feel about instituting Sharia. I have no idea what the results would be.
Michael Copeland says
“ask American muslims how they feel about instituting Sharia”.
A few points.
American muslims are already applying Sharia, in honor killings and so on.
Sharia is Islamic law: it is not subject to “how they feel”. It is obligatory.
Poll responses are unreliable as muslims are authorised to lie to kuffar.
Islam itself is supremacist, whether a few individuals show it or not.
The muslim has “no choice” (Koran 33:36). He must obey.
veggiedog says
Why would any court in America allow any law from another country to become law here? Please someone explain how anyone could want this?
steffen larsen says
“Extraterritoriality is the state of being exempted from the jurisdiction of local law”
The most infamous example would be foreigners in China during the age of Imperialism, and it was rightly decried as being Very Bad. It still exists though, embassies and such.
What some people would like to see – very likely the same people most opposed to Western Extraterritoriality – is that it is extended to people belonging to a paricular ideology.
eib says
The Democrats are now waging a war against women.
veggiedog says
And none of their supporters will believe it.
EYESOPEN says
eib said: “The Democrats are now waging a war against women.”
Exactly! And that is something that can be used against the later – that is, of course, if their opponents have the nut$ to tell it like it is and not retreat.
EYESOPEN says
Ooops. That is something that can be used against them later…
(Hit the post button too quickly.)
BonniePrinceCharlie says
And homosexuals because Sharia law calls for them to be punished for their ‘sin’ by death.
And Christians and Jews and members of other faiths because the Koran calls for them all to covert to Islam or for those not killed to be treated as dhimmis (second-class citizens). Some – not Democrats, of course – might regard this as racism.
fido says
Wake Up women of America!!
No1 says
“If you remain silent while party organizations invite Islamophobic speakers and GOP legislators support bills driven by anti-Muslim bias, your party risks alienating one of the fastest growing groups of American voters. Florida now has 150,000 registered Muslim voters. The GOP cannot afford to continue to alienate a minority growing in influence, especially in a key swing state such as Florida.”
Democracy is rapidly turning into a suicide pact — in fact, it probably already has.
EYESOPEN says
“If Muslims claim that they have no intention of changing American culture or laws, then why are they so upset when Americans take measures to prevent it from happening?”
This is the $64,000 question, as Robert so aptly put it. And the answer, as we well know, is because we know that many muzlims – particularly those of the “CAIR” variety – are lying through their teeth; and have EVERY intention of changing American culture and laws.
Brian Hoff says
Both party did than total rewrite this law so it does nothing at all. Than remove all amentment vote was held on the bill clear the wording of the bill it was rewritten in language on state law on how court can use foreign laws. The sentor ask him will he write than anti-Islam or anti-muslim bill against he said he will not write than anti-Islam bill or anti-muslim bill again. The house bill was total rewriten the same way the sentor bill was rewriten. Robert infro is out of date. Flordia BAR assocateion didnot like the anti-Islam and anti_muslim nature of the two bill. CAIR in they newletter report on this.
mortimer says
For a quick reality check for Americans who favor Sharia law, try this analogy:
When the laws of Great Britain differ from those of the United States of America, Britain’s laws take precedence.
Is that acceptable? Why not Sharia?