Why were these jihadis allowed to come back to France after waging jihad in Syria? The risk is high that returning jihadis will continue their jihad in their home countries. This is why the governments of Britain, the U.S. and Australia are worried about this as well. Not that many politicians in any of those countries have the will to devise effective legal means to confront this problem, much less to confront the ideology that motivated these jihad warriors in the first place.
“France formally investigates citizens suspected of Syria fighting,” Reuters, May 17, 2014:
PARIS, May 17 (Reuters) – Seven men suspected of fighting in Syria have been placed under formal investigation following their arrest in Strasbourg, said a judicial source on Saturday, weeks after France unveiled policies to prevent French Muslims from becoming radicalised.
Confirming a report in Le Monde newspaper, the source said the men aged 23 to 25, who were arrested in the eastern French city on Tuesday, were under investigation for criminal conspiracy in relation with a terrorist undertaking.
They were suspected of travelling to Syria late last year to join the uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
European governments calculate several thousand of their citizens have gone to Syria since the war began three years ago and are worried about the security risk posed by youths radicalised by the conflict.
France, which estimates around 285 of its citizens are currently fighting in Syria among the rebels’ ranks, last month launched a plan to prevent its citizens joining the civil war and becoming a threat to their home country.
Under the new policies, French nationals who return from Syria could face charges of being part of a terrorist organisation, while minors could be prevented from leaving France without parental consent.
It also launched a hotline for parents concerned about their children’s behaviour.
Mirren10 says
”Confirming a report in Le Monde newspaper, the source said the men aged 23 to 25, who were arrested in the eastern French city on Tuesday, were under investigation for criminal conspiracy in relation with a terrorist undertaking.
They were suspected of travelling to Syria late last year to join the uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad”
What ! They are involved in a criminal conspiracy to do with terrorism ? I am utterly shocked and astonished ! How can this be ?
Our *governments* are also criminally responsible for this utterly appalling scenario. I hope I live to see Nuremburg 2.
mortimer says
There passports should have been revoked, rendering them stateless.
mortimer says
‘their passports’
We should all write to our governments and ask the government to keep jihadists from returning.
Kepha says
No, Mortimer, revoking a passport just means that the person to whom it is issued cannot travel. In my consular days, I saw a few cases of people whose passports were revoked. Ostensibly, these folks got rolled when drunk, had their passports stolen, and then come bugging the US consul for a new one. We simply didn’t have the investigative resources to check if they hadn’t actually sold their passports for living and booze expenses in the host country; and if the passports turned up later in the hands of people who had photosubbed them (easier to do in times past), who was to say that the user got it from the poor, rolled American drunk or from the supposed thief who rolled him? Ultimately, such folks ended up destitute, and could be given a passport valid only for return to USA, to be surrendered at port of entry.
A passport and citizenship might be revoked in cases of naturalized citizens who committed some very egregious crimes; but these were rare.
Then again, what French law is, I don’t know. But I suspect that French nationality, especially via jus solis, is probably hard to lose (a little like US citizenship by jus solis).
bill says
Sounds like a good idea but then they would have no place to go but into the arms of the various jihad groups, who I am sure would welcome the new recruits
Jay Boo says
“Praise be to Allah who guided me”
Why do these vainglorious idiots repeat this obvious lie.
A mind guided by so much self-serving VANITY that it needs flaunt its false humility by namedropping “Allah”.
Tradewinds says
What a loser. There is no Allah, you bonehead.
Islam attracts the losers, sociopaths and mental defectives in all societies.
j says
that’s the truth Tradewinds
Jack Diamond says
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4120/islamization-france
“The French anti-terrorism judge, Marc Trévidic, told Le Figaro that the presence of so many French jihadists in Syria presents French authorities with an uncomfortable paradox. Because France officially supports the effort to overthrow the Assad regime—France was the first Western country to recognize Syria’s rebel council as the country’s legitimate interlocutors—it is difficult for the French government to come out and say that it does not support those who are fighting the war.
Trévidic said Syria was a natural destination for French jihadists. There are no visa requirements for French citizens to enter neighboring Turkey, where it is easy to find Syrian contacts and then cross a porous border. He also said that trained and experienced jihadists, once back in France, could become a dangerous problem for the authorities.
Trévidic referred to the fight in Syria as an “authorized jihad” and added: “It is particularly complicated to qualify their adventures in Syria as acts of terrorism. But let’s not be fooled. A good proportion of [the jihadists] are going there in the hope of helping to establish a radical Islamic state. The actual terrorism will begin just as soon as the Assad regime is defeated.”
The interview with Trévidic came just two days after French police arrested three suspected Islamists in the town of Marignane, near Marseille. Police—who became suspicious after the suspects had hoisted a jihadist flag on the roof of their house—found weapons and explosives at the home of one of the suspects, all French citizens between the ages of 18 and 27.
Paris prosecutor François Molins said on March 11 that the three men may have been planning an attack to commemorate the first anniversary of the shooting rampage in the southern city of Toulouse by Mohamed Merah, a 23-year-old French Islamic jihadist of Algerian origin who killed three French paratroopers, three Jewish schoolchildren and a rabbi with close-range shots to the head.”
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4296/france-anti-jihadist-plan
“The French government has unveiled a new plan aimed at preventing French citizens or residents from waging jihad in Syria and other conflict zones in the Muslim world… one of the key provisions of the plan involves the creation of a counselling center and a dedicated website and telephone hotline for parents or family members who are seeking professional advice about how to handle children they believe are becoming radicalized.
“This provision comes in response to several recent attempts by French teenagers to become jihadists in Syria. In one instance, a 14-year-old girl from the southeastern French city of Grenoble was intercepted with a one-way ticket to Istanbul at the airport in Lyon on February 25, just as she was about to board a plane. Police were alerted after the girl sent her father a text message saying she was running away from home because she had been selected to “join the jihad” in Syria.
In another instance, two teenagers in Toulouse left for Syria on January 6, the first school day of 2014, after stealing credit cards from their parents to purchase plane tickets to Turkey. The youths—ages 15 and 16—were repatriated to France on January 26 and now face charges of conspiring with a terrorist enterprise.
In all, at least 15 French teenagers have tried to travel to Syria since the war there began in March 2011, according to French intelligence. In most instances, the parents say they did not suspect their children were becoming radicalized.”
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{It’s all like some mysterious new disease, no one can figure out how this happens with Islam officially off the list of suspects}.
“The unveiling of the government’s anti-radicalization strategy comes less than a month after French counter-terrorism police thwarted what they say was an imminent attack by a returning jihadist from Syria. Police say the man, identified only as a 23-year-old named Ibrahim B, was preparing to strike in the southern French region of Côte d’Azur. Some 900 kilos of explosives were found in the suspect’s temporary apartment near Cannes. He is currently in police custody.
Earlier in March, a militant Islamist website published a series of posters calling for attacks on France and for the assassination of President François Hollande in retaliation for the country’s policies in Mali and the Central African Republic, the Reuters news agency reported.”
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{The Muslims of France, the gift that keeps on giving}.
The important thing is, how will all this fly with the Al-Thanis of Qatar, the Emirs who have been so busy buying up France (banks, hotels and now economic control of the Muslim banlieues) and guiding its foreign policies (Libya, Syria).
Bezelel says
I read that Jordan is Not allowing their return.Why would anyone else?
tpellow says
What happens when ‘kafirs’ try to befriend Islamic jihadists in Syria:-
“War reporter was bound, beaten and shot twice in Syria – by man he considered a friend”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/anthony-loyd-war-reporter-bound-3556909#ixzz320IvNZvq
tpellow says
“KAFIR.
“The language of Islam is dualistic. As an example, there is never any reference to humanity as a unified whole. Instead there is a division into believer and kafir (unbeliever). Humanity is not seen as one body, but is divided into whether the person believes Mohammed is the prophet of Allah or not.
“Kafir is what the Koran and Islam call the unbelievers. Kafir is the worst word in the human language.”
http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/kafir/
Brazooka says
If the jihadists are prevented from going to Syria, they will likely seek “martyrdom” in Europe, or else their presence will mean the usual things the presence of Muslims means: welfare parasitism, social disruption, common crime, rape gangs, etc.
What the French government should do is work with the Assad government to make sure the jihadists find a permanent home in Syria, or better yet, under Syria.
logdon says
Or even better, amongst Syria?
jewdog says
Voulez-vous tuer avec moi, ce soir?
Kepha says
Non, et non encore!
But I get your sarcasm, Jewdog. Keep well.
Champ says
A demon was your “guide”, pal …
veggiedog says
I always thought that France was getting in deeper with the jihadists; they should be on the good ole American shit list.
duh_swami says
‘Hit the road Abu and dontcha come back no more, no more, hit the road Abu and dontcha come back no more’…You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here…Once he’s out, lock the door.
Champ ✿ says
…and throw away the key! ;-D
tpellow says
“Syrian rebels cut off water to Aleppo in botched attack on regime areas – and manage to create shortage in their own strongholds”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syrian-rebels-cut-off-water-to-aleppo-in-botched-attack-on-regime-areas–and-manage-to-create-shortage-in-their-own-strongholds-9358685.html
tpellow says
“U.S. officials worry that ISIS may attack America.”
Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Opinion/Columnist/2014/May-15/256458-us-officials-worry-that-isis-may-attack-america.ashx#ixzz3246je12D
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Why were these jihadis allowed to come back to France after waging jihad in Syria?
For the good life. The prosperity, the good food, the nice buildings filled with nice furniture, the nice cars and, yes, the white girls. There is more than just being able to enjoy doing a good old fashioned mass murder that makes them return to the West.
France, which estimates around 285 of its citizens are currently fighting in Syria among the rebels’ ranks, last month launched a plan to prevent its citizens joining the civil war and becoming a threat to their home country.
To the extent you can call them citizens, wouldn’t it make more sense to launch a plan to *not* let them return? Maybe that would make too much sense, too simple and too just.
rab says
France watches the returning jihadists, the US watches and prepares for the returning US soldiers.
andy says
It is good for yo man to die there with your jihadist wives! Why u so chicken to goin back to yo homeland? Yor paradise is sharia, syiria, 70 naked angels enjoy it and go to hell with your allah