Umno is the United Malays National Organisation, the largest political party in Malaysia. This event indicates its contempt for Christianity and for Malaysia’s Christian population, and increasing tendency toward Islamic supremacism. But don’t say anything! Remember: “Talk about extreme, militant Islamists and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims.” — Robert McManus, Roman Catholic Bishop of Worcester, Massachusetts, February 8, 2013
“EXPOSED! Hate-filled Umno groups roped in FAKE priest & nun to bash Christians at uni forum,” The Malaysian Insider, May 19, 2014 (thanks to Steve):
It speaks volumes about the integrity of Universiti Teknologi Mara (UiTM) and the groups linked with the recent hate-mongering session against Christianity – that the slam-fest was anchored by frauds.
Correction. Fraud is too polite a word in this instance. They were impostors. Liars.
Checks by The Malaysian Insider with religious authorities in Indonesia show that L S Mokoginta is not a former Catholic priest who converted to Islam as he so proudly proclaimed. Yes, he is a Muslim but he was never a priest.
And get ready for this. Irena Handono is not a former nun. But why let fudging of the biodata get in the way of a hatchet job against Christianity.
Rule of thumb for crooks, charlatans and those with an agenda to hurt and poison: find someone with an “appearance of credibility and knowledge” and unleash them on the target.
What better ammunition against Christians than those being spewed by a former nun and former priest.
Irena stayed a short time in a convent before leaving. Religious sisters and nuns often spend years in formation before they take their vows. After that, they teach in schools, work with the poor and underprivileged, or spend much time behind closed doors in prayer.
Staying in a convent for a short time and claiming to be a nun is akin to going to law school for a year and claiming to be able to practice as a lawyer.
Irena now makes a good living travelling the circuit as a Christian basher. Good luck to her on her vocation of choice but if you lie so brazenly about your background, it does say much about your integrity and suggests that somewhere along the way, you discarded the moral compass.
Indonesian church authorities say that Mokongita was never a priest. And yet the man had the temerity to speak as a former man of the cloth and urge Christians to leave the religion.
There was so much wrong with what happened at the hate session at UiTM. The hatchet job against a major religion was wrong. The use of a university venue to poison young minds was wrong. And getting impostors to masquerade as speakers with intellectual heft was so wrong.
But we can only guess when you don’t have integrity, everything is possible. Cheating. Lying. And fielding frauds. –TMI
umbra says
They may use fake priests and nuns, but not fake terrorists.
mortimer says
There is a fair amount of such taqiyya-dawa going on! The mendacious taqiyya-artists have no shame, since they are helping Islam with their lies…or so they think. Detective Charlie Chan said: “Hasty conclusion like toy balloon – Easy blow up, easy pop.” This seems to describe the majority of Islamic proselytizing. Dr Zakir Naik is notorious for incredible ‘sudden conversions’ during his question and answer periods.
Salah says
“But we can only guess when you don’t have integrity, everything is possible. Cheating. Lying. And fielding frauds.”
…caught on camera!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2014/04/al-jazeera-busted-strong-bias-of-al.html
Peter Buckley says
Is it me, or is Islam becoming more of a joke on a daily basis.
Full marks to these people who spotted the fraud.
Some people seem to think Islam is “winning”.
On the contrary, the more you expose it, the more desperate it becomes….
Jay Boo says
Islam is a beastly noisy thug that impresses gullible insecure people.
Islam is also an approval whore selling its worthless compliments to those vain Muslims who gladly bow and grovel five times a day for a cheap trick.
CJ says
If you want someone to promote a nun-turned-muslima message, why bother with a fake when you could just hire Karen Armstrong?
G179 says
She was only a nun for a short time? This won’t stand up in a Sharia court.
bobm says
They are formed out of deceit … traffic in deceit … and will suffer the end of their deceitful father.. the father of lies.
Larry A Singleton says
I’ve been hyping Horowitz’s “Indoctrination U.” ever since I found it a few years ago. I spread it, along with books like The Haj by Leon Uris and Because They Hate by Brigitte Gabriel like religious tracts. On one posting I got a response from one gal suggesting I watch the documentary “Indoctrinate U.”. To my shame I’d never even heard of it. After watching it for twelve minutes I went back and asked that gal if she’d marry me. I had a shit eating grin through the whole thing when I wasn’t slack-jawed and shaking my head in utter disbelief at the obscene actions of Liberal Academics; They talk about what happened at Foothill college among other things, and which is given special attention in Horowitz’s book, regarding the outrageous behavior of a “Professor” Woolcock. (Yeah, that’s his name.) If this documentary were like Horowitz’s book it would be covered top to bottom with my notes and hi-liting.
“Indoctrinate U.” Documentary
Guy Macher says
The only thing these Mohameddans did which displeases Allah, aka Satan, was get caught.
gravenimage says
Could you imagine the outrage if a major Western political party—the Republicans, say, or Labour, or the Christian Democrats—were using a fake Imam at some event?
The fact is that while Muslims constantly whine about Infidels (supposedly) getting things wrong about Islam, they *constantly* lie about Christianity, and Judaism, and Hinduism, and Buddhism, and every other faith, with complete impunity.
And it’s not just that they get things wrong—this is no innocent cluelessness, but consistent and vindictive bashing.
And even this would not be a major issue *but for one thing*—that they use these falsehoods as a basis for mistreating Christians and other Infidels.
Malaysia has a long and ugly history of oppressing and threatening Christians—such stories are covered here all the time.
Pete Wang says
Do you know that http://www.jihadwatch.org is blocked by the Malaysian government? It can’t be accessed here. I have to use a proxy server to access your site. The umno government of Malaysia can spew so much garbage about the Christians but when you write honestly about Islam, th
Pete Wang says
Do you know that http://www.jihadwatch.org is blocked by the Malaysian government? It can’t be accessed here. I have to use a proxy server to access your site. The umno government of Malaysia can spew so much garbage about the Christians but when you write honestly about Islam, they will take you down.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that information, Pete. It doesn’t surprise me.
Mulakush says
This is no news. Christians have been using this technique on other religions for ages. I guess it hurts more when a more aggressive religion proselytizes against you!
Brian Hoff says
Like the time they have than christian lady pose as than muslim woman who never hear Jesus talk about in the firday prayer or his name in the Koran. During Firday prayer the prayer leader will talk about past phorfit like Moses,Jesuc and Abraham. The Koran talk about Jesus in it pages.
gravenimage says
“Brian Hoff” wrote:
The Koran talk about Jesus in it (sic) pages.
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What “defenderofIslam” won’t tell you is that the “Jesus” of the Qur’an—really, “Isa”—is *nothing* like the Jesus of the Gospels.
He is not a healer or a peacemaker, and his purpose in the last days is to *kill Christians* who do not convert to Islam.
Ugly, ugly stuff.
dumbledoresarmy says
Gee, conspiracy thinking much?
So in your opinion *anyone* today, anywhere, who says they were once adherents of another religion, and are now a Christian, is a *fake*, a hoax cooked up by eeeeevil Christian schemers? *Everyone* who has ever publicly stated that they are a convert from another faith, to Christianity, is *really* someone born-and-brought-up a Christian, who is *pretending* to have converted from another faith, as part of some evil plot?
Seriously?
It may have escaped your notice, but Christianity really *does* teach against lying, deceit, and falsehood of every kind. We are taught to tell the truth.
I am a Christian.
The very thought of doing something like what you have just described – and llike what the Muslims are doing – is *abhorrent* to me. I have no doubt it is abhorrent to the average Christian.
In the church I once attended, I witnessed the baptism of a girl from a Malaysian Chinese Buddhist background.
There is NO BLOODY WAY that our priest or congregation would have even *thought* of conducting a vile charade of the sort that you have just described.
Bezelel says
They just crawl outta the woodwork don’t they? anti Christ mumbo jumbo. They hate Light.
gravenimage says
Mulakush wrote:
This is no news. Christians have been using this technique on other religions for ages.
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Really? When’s the last time—if ever—that Christians used fake clerics from other faiths to smear those faiths? Examples, please.
Moreover, this was a *political party*. That means that this bit of nastiness has plenty of real life consequences.
That is, in fact, the most disturbing thing about this story: this isn’t just being used to have a private laugh at Christians, which might be tacky but is otherwise meaningless—instead, there is s long and disturbing history of Malaysia using the power of the state to oppress and threaten Christians.
More:
I guess it hurts more when a more aggressive religion proselytizes against you!
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Proselytizing is advocating *for* a faith—there is no such thing as proselytizing *against* another religion.
Ultimately, this is Malaysia’s largest political party “proselytizing against” Christians in much the same way as the Nazi Party “proselytized against” Jews.
Very disturbing—and not something you’d ever find in a real democracy.