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Muslim cleric: “Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman”

May 12, 2014 12:40 pm By Robert Spencer

Mothers of Nigerian abducted schoolgirlsWhile various heads of state as well as numerous Muslim leaders rush to assure us that the abduction of the schoolgirls in Nigeria has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, some Muslim clerics disagree. Here is a fatwa on the issue from Islam Q & A. Islamic scholars, clerics and spokesmen who insist that what Boko Haram has done is completely un-Islamic should respond to the case made here. They won’t, however, and they don’t have to, because Western governments and the international media will pretend that they did anyway, and act as if the case is already made, and is indeed obvious.

“Ruling on having intercourse with a slave woman when one has a wife,” Islam QA, n.d. (thanks to A.M.H.):

Could you please clarify for me something that has been troubling me for a while. This concerns the right of a man to have sexual relations with slave girls. Is this so? If it is then is the man allowed to have relations with her as well his wife/wives. Also, is it true that a man can have sexual relations with any number of slave girls and with their own wife/wives also? I have read that Hazrat Ali had 17 slave girls and Hazrat Umar also had many. Surely if a man were allowed this freedom then this could lead to neglecting the wife’s needs. Could you also tell clarify wether the wife has got any say in this matter.
———-

Praise be to Allaah.Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.

A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.

This is indicated by the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and this was done by the Prophets. Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) took Haajar as a concubine and she bore him Ismaa’eel (may peace be upon them all).

Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice”

[al-Nisa’ 4:3]

What is meant by “or (slaves) that your right hands possess” is slave women whom you own.And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Ahzaab 33:50]

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]

Al-Tabari said:

Allaah says, “And those who guard their chastity” i.e., protect their private parts from doing everything that Allaah has forbidden, but they are not to blame if they do not guard their chastity from their wives or from the female slaves whom their rights hands possess.

Tafseer al-Tabari, 29/84

Ibn Katheer said:

Taking a concubine as well as a wife is permissible according to the law of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him). Ibraaheem did that with Haajar, when he took her as a concubine when he was married to Saarah.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/383

And Ibn Katheer also said:

The phrase “and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you” [al-Ahzaab 33:50] means, it is permissible for you take concubines from among those whom you seized as war booty. He took possession of Safiyyah and Juwayriyah and he freed them and married them; he took possession of Rayhaanah bint Sham’oon al-Nadariyyah and Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibraaheem (peace be upon them both), and they were among his concubines, may Allaah be pleased with them both.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/500

The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one’s slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”

[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]

Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah was the umm walad (a slave woman who bore her master a child) of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and she was the mother of Ibraaheem, the son of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), of whom he said, “Her son set her free.” Haajar, the mother of Isma’eel (peace be upon him), was the concubine of Ibraaheem the close friend (khaleel) of the Most Merciful (peace be upon him). ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) had a number of slave women who bore him children, to each of whom he left four hundred in his will. ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) had slave women who bore him children, as did many of the Sahaabah. ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad and Saalim ibn ‘Abd-Allaah were all born from slave mothers

Al-Mughni, 10/441

Al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”

[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]

The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one’s right hand possesses.

Al-Umm, 5/43.

The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them.

And Allaah knows best.

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  1. john spielman says

    May 12, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    more vile digusting behavior that is sanctified (made holy) in Islam

    This is absolute proof that ISLAM IS A DOCTRINE OF SATAN

    • Charli Main says

      May 12, 2014 at 1:10 pm

      So true !!!!!
      Islam is the tool that Satan uses to spread rape, death and destruction through the World. Islam´s prime directive is kill, kill, kill. Satan must be overwhelmed with pride for his Muslim tools.

      • Bettina says

        May 13, 2014 at 9:20 am

        To Charlie —
        “Kill, kill, kill” to which I would add “rape, rape, rape.” What a bunch of sinister evil doers have composed that basest of things called islam.

    • Beth says

      May 13, 2014 at 3:55 am

      “This is absolute proof that ISLAM IS A DOCTRINE OF SATAN”.

      Yes it is John. It is absolute disgusting evil.

      Know this –

      The UN wants the world (and in sometimes demands it – in the name of ‘islamophobe’) – to accept that such a culture is not to be offended. It doesn’t matter if everyone else is offended at just the news of it. Imagine what the victims go through (if that were even possible).

      I say this all of the time – shame on the leaders.

    • Bettina says

      May 13, 2014 at 9:12 am

      Couldn’t have said it better, Spielman! Glad to see you here…

  2. Bill says

    May 12, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    God bless you Mr. Spencer. You have more knowledge and insight than the entire ignorant and deceptive leftist multi-culturalist world combined.

  3. Zaba says

    May 12, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Robert:
    Thanks as always for your to-the-point reporting.
    Regarding the accompanying photo: Are we to assume these are some of the distraught mothers?
    Perhaps mothers of Christian girls? If so, could you
    comment on their sartorial choice, other than color options?

    • gravenimage says

      May 12, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      I presume you are asking about the headscarves, Zaba.

      Yes, most of those girls abducted by Boko Haram are Christian—and many of the Muslim girls who were also kidnapped have been released.

      But this happened in northeast Nigeria, where Shari’ah largely holds sway. A lot of Christian and animist women wear headscarves there as protection against being harassed or raped by Muslims.

      Of course, given what has happened to their daughters, you can see that this is hardly any sort of guarantee of safety…

      • zaba says

        May 12, 2014 at 5:19 pm

        Thanks.
        Exactly so!

      • Semeru says

        May 13, 2014 at 11:05 pm

        The photo above is of moslem women.

        Gravenimage, can right so true great comments on this forum, but she can also write a load of crap, now this is a howler.

        Christian and animist women wear headscarves there as protection against being harassed or raped by Muslims.

        In fact, nigerian christian women like women else where use headgear to denote religion, nationality, ethnicity, social status, rank, profession and they can also be worn purely for fashion.

        Here are several photos of christian women wearing the tradition head tie or gele

        http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74751000/jpg/_74751984_021998383-1.jpg

        Now compare the photo with the above photo.

        Notice how the christian women have there necks exposed.

        Open up google image with (head tie gele nigeria) then do the same (hijab nigeria)

        Here is another photo

        http://royaltimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/118.jpg

        On the left is moslem Hajiya Bilkisu Yusuf in the center is christian Dr Lydia Umar.

        Graven you really should learn how to see the difference between moslems and christians

        • gravenimage says

          May 14, 2014 at 9:42 pm

          Semeru’s assertion that non-Muslim women in heavily Islamic parts of Nigeria do not wear Hijab—and, moreover, do not often do so out of fear—is incorrect.

          Here’s one story:

          “Unveiling Oppression in Northern Nigeria”

          “Veiling, a practice rarely seen in northern Nigeria, is now nearly universal. Some of the Muslim states have even made the hijab a compulsory part of girls’ school uniforms.

          …The veil is one spillover result of sharia that affects Christian women as well, since their clothing is expected to be more restrictive to match that of their northern Nigerian counterparts. Bystanders in northern Nigerian villages will not stop to inquire about a woman’s religion before performing acts of vigilante violence against women who do not wear the hijab. Men are given the opportunity to judge morality in women, both Christian and Muslim, within a federal government that is supposed to be secular.”

          http://msmagazine.com/blog/2011/03/08/unveiling-oppression-in-northern-nigeria/

  4. mariam rove says

    May 12, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Muslim men and pedophilia. They go like hands and gloves. M

    • john spielman says

      May 12, 2014 at 3:32 pm

      or peanut butter and jelly… or Muhammed and AISHA

  5. Peter Buckley says

    May 12, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    “Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.”

    Well, he’s extremely confident that the “moderates” haven’t got a leg to stand on on this question. Can we get a comment from a “moderate” muslim?

    The sound of tumbleweed drifting by…………..

    • mariam rove says

      May 12, 2014 at 1:48 pm

      the so called moderates call CAIR, when it come to this type of things are always silent. M

  6. mortimer says

    May 12, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    EVERY Muslim male knows sex with slaves is permitted! EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM MALE KNOWS THIS! And they will smile and snigger about it.

    • Bill says

      May 12, 2014 at 2:25 pm

      Your comment is based on hard fact. The reality of this is sobering and implies that a great, great deception of diabolical nature is happening. This includes our leaders: “deceiving and being deceived.”

  7. gravenimage says

    May 12, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    Muslim cleric: “Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman”
    ……………………..

    Notice that this pious questioner has a vague concern with a Muslim’s wives—but none at all for the sex slaves themselves.

    And the good Imam regards those who rape slaves as “Hazrats”—”saints”—and emphatically states that anyone who regards slavery and rape as Haram is *a sinner*. He also quotes the Islamic text that asserts that Muslims raping their slaves “prevents injustice”.

    It it not just that Islam is immoral—it is—it is that Islam represents the complete *inversion* of morality. *Ugh*.

    • mariam rove says

      May 12, 2014 at 3:38 pm

      I am so sick of Islam……m

      • Champ says

        May 12, 2014 at 4:02 pm

        I share the sentiment, Mariam …

      • BlueRaven says

        May 12, 2014 at 4:28 pm

        I guess Kerry is happy the girls will be released – only a few will be sold. Obama and Hillary aint going to utter a word. This is so pathetic that the word ‘pathertic’ itself becomes useless to describe the magnitude of the situation.

        I am 100% sure, this Kidnapping conversion will be the next big Islamic tactics and it will spread in the West within a couple years.

        The whole Islam and our current leaders are so dangerous that it is very serious.

        • mariam rove says

          May 12, 2014 at 4:40 pm

          Yes. Specially now that every other Imam issuing fatwas that is 100% sharia compliant to kidnap women and rape and sodomize them. M

        • DVult says

          May 12, 2014 at 6:05 pm

          They are already doing this in Egypt and probably elsewhere. Sooner or later islam will have to be confronted head on.

        • harbidoll says

          May 13, 2014 at 5:35 am

          Obama cant say a word less he be called an apostate! im convinced Obama IS scared of that which helps explains his behavior, silence & policies. he was taught this at a very young age.

    • Guest says

      May 12, 2014 at 4:47 pm

      Yes, I noticed that too. Totally inhumane.

    • voegelinian says

      May 13, 2014 at 5:29 pm

      Yes; Muslims are not mere barbarians or Satanists: they are Satanic barbarians who fervently and fanatically believe they are following the absolute truth of God and who, in their very promotion and practice of Satanic depravities are convinced in their deadly fanaticism that they are being religiously pure.

      This is one of the many things that makes Islam unique.

      And this would be bad enough by itself; add to this unique fanaticism the globally expansionist militant supremacism that galvanizes and electrifies their deranged piety, and the problem rises to a whole other level — a level that only remains “a” geopolitical problem (rather than the #1 problem) because Muslims haven’t (yet) got all their terrorist ducks in a row to use their asymmetrical advantage over us, where mass immigration-cum-infiltration plus access to our technology (WMDs of the chemical, biological, and nuclear varieties) will substitute for conventional military invasions.

  8. gaoptimize says

    May 12, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    Robert: You and JihadWatch are winning! Who would have guessed that ultra-liberal Bill Mahr would denounce Islam, in a panel of fellow liberals, even a few weeks ago? Who would have guessed that a group of Hollywood A and B-listers would denounce Sharia in a public manner in the case of the Beverly Hills Hotel? Any observer can see the complete lack of Christian death squads and the complete lack of gay-killing and misogynist legal frameworks being pushed by Christians anywhere in the world. The good works of Christians are felt throughout Africa.

    Your long struggle is closer to victory than ever before. You (and Pamela) are truly are a hero of Western Civilization.

    • harbidoll says

      May 13, 2014 at 5:37 am

      yes, maybe this Wont be a 100 year war after all!!

    • Bettina says

      May 13, 2014 at 3:27 pm

      The fact that the sinister sultan from hell decided to institute sharia in Brunei never fooled Hollywood! They knew that, little by little it would infiltrate the hotel. Finally they’re starting to wake up — bully for them!
      Next, let’s see all Hollywood muzzies out of work — unless they officially swear off islam, swear off that satanic drug.

  9. Wellington says

    May 12, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    The BIG problem still remains and it is NOT the decrepit religion which goes by the name of Islam, disgusting as it is, but rather all those non-Muslims out there still making excuses for this deeply warped and wretched faith . The sin upon their heads even more so than upon those of the Mohammedans.

    Quite observable again is that willful ignorance of evil is worse, often far worse, than evil itself. It’s a great lesson to be learned by the proper study of history. But, sorry to say, the proper study of history is a dying phenomenon, principally due to the twin idiocies of PC/MC, and this helps to account in large part why the despicable religion which is Islam has gotten so much traction as of late, especially in the West, which has more to lose precisely because it pioneered freedom more than any other civilization in history and Islam is an inveterate enemy of freedom——–no other major religion in its theological blueprint comes anywhere close to being the mortal enemy of liberty which Islam is.

    Troubling times to be sure, particularly for those who regard freedom highly and who know that it requires constant vigilance (and knowledge) to maintain. It’s not being maintained very well at all right now. Not at all.

    • Zaba says

      May 12, 2014 at 10:11 pm

      all those non-Muslims out there still making excuses for this deeply warped and wretched faith

      Indeed.

      The Left’s world view does not allow that any religion be less than equal.
      And you should see what they consider a religion……

      • voegelinian says

        May 13, 2014 at 5:35 pm

        It’s not just the Left being unconscionably derelict in their obligation to condemn Islam. It is the vast majority of Conservatives, Centrists, the Comfortably Apolitical, and innumerable Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Agnostics and Atheists. While there are signs, here and there, of incremental stirring of the West’s pleasantly somnambulist limbs, it is also painfully clear that, unfortunately, we still have a long way to go (pace the over-optimist “gaoptimize” above).

    • gravenimage says

      May 13, 2014 at 4:42 pm

      Excellent post, Wellington.

  10. Ralph says

    May 12, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    God told Hagar, “You will have a boy and his name will be Ishmael and he will be as a Wild Donkey and his hand would be against everyone and everyone’s hand will be against him”… Looks like the Muslim’s are following Gods destiny given to them… Just think, looks like the fire in Hell will have plenty of Muslim fuel…

  11. Sam Pyeatte says

    May 12, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    Ah yes, the 5th century beckons does it not. A very depraved religion, Islam.

    • Bettina says

      May 13, 2014 at 3:58 pm

      After seeing this cult mentioned several times here as a religion, I can no longer hold my tongue. Hey guys, let’s all get on the same page. If we all get into the habit of using the correct appellation for this subhuman phenomenon, and call it the CULT it really is, maybe the public will start listening and ask questions.
      I floated it out there, and was gratified to garner immediate interest.

      I need a list of talking points on islam, to review in public while I wait for them to ask what I’m reading… A nice bulleted list to also drop, folded, on my table as I leave… Robert’s green pamphlet, “Religion of Bigots,” although outstanding, is too diverse for my need.

      I won’t read the koran itself lest I overdose and vomit. Ideas on where I can glean my points?

      • voegelinian says

        May 13, 2014 at 5:43 pm

        There are too many factors that make “cult” problematic. First, all cults we have known so far have been comparatively tiny in numbers, and not spread out all over the globe.

        Secondly, all cults we have known so far have never had a long history of being considered to be a “religion” by the West for centuries.

        Thirdly, no cult we have known so far has been deemed to be composed of a demographic perceived to be an ethnic people (or a wonderful diversity, mosaic, tapestry, stir-fry of ethnic peoples) — a perception that pushes all the White & Western Guilt hot buttons of most Westerners. There have been a couple of black African cults like this — but they were confined to a relatively small group in one (maybe two) countries (thus cf. my first two points).

        Fourthly, related to my first two points, no cult has such a richly massive ostensible appearance of being a “Major World Religion” with all the complex claptrap normally associated with such.

        No, I have trust that my fellow Westerners are not so supremely stupid that they cannot pat their heads and rub their stomachs at the same time, by acknowledging that Islam is a major World Religion — and at the same time an evil, dangerous and unjust ideology.

      • Clare says

        May 14, 2014 at 12:03 am

        Islam has a religious component.
        It also is a political ideology.
        Both make Islam a cult or sect, so death cult is accurate – Islam the destroyer of hearts, souls and minds.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        May 14, 2014 at 12:08 am

        Bettina, you said – “I won’t read the koran itself lest I overdose and vomit.”

        But, alas, I am afraid you should. Pretty well all of us regular posters have done it, at least once. Not a pleasant experience; but necessary. All of us who intend to stick around here as classroom monitors and help Educate all the others who drop by, *have* to do it.

        Your best bet is to take Mr Spencer as your cheerful Steve-Irwinish Guide To Deadly Creatures. Get yourself a copy of the Quran – the plain old N Dawood Penguin translation is perfectly serviceable for the first read-through. Then find the link on this site that takes you to his “Blogging the Quran” series.

        Read through the Quran *with* Mr Spencer at your side. Think of yourself as a biology student following the professor through the jungle and the desert, every now and again being brought to a halt as the sunnily-smiling professor kicks over a rock, gets out the tongs or the snake-catching device and captures some particularly horrid-looking critter and holds it up for inspection and explains the function of all those nippers, stingers, suckers, stink-squirters, teeth and claws.

        Then, get his “The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran”, and read *that*. Then, perhaps, re-read the Koran.

        I can’t give you the links off the top of my head, but there *are* places where you can find the Koran with all its verses arranged chronologically, in the order in which Mohammedans believe they were “revealed”. Bill Warner – “Centre for the Study of Political Islam” – has something like that available, I think.

        To keep from it all getting too much, take it a bit at a time. And …you’re Jewish? – you could perhaps say the Krias Shema before and after embarking on a Quran reading, by way of fortifying yourself mentally and spiritually.

        The other thing, of course, to tackle, is the Sira – the A Guillaume translation, or the old-fashioned William Muir translation.

        • Bettina says

          May 14, 2014 at 12:41 pm

          To DDA —
          Aah, such a deluge of dreaded delights! Lucky me! you shouldn’t have — really 🙂
          I should’ve known I can’t just dangle a line about not reading the koran, and make a clean getaway…
          As usual, your educated opinion means the world to me and I very much appreciate your effort to get me on track with the master watchers in our midst.
          As for studying with Mr Spencer at my side, you’re giving him stiff competition for that position, my friend… It’s a toss-up…
          Your idea about repeating the Shema before and after reading is very sound, indeed, and I will do just that.

          Hear, O Israel, the LORD is our God, the LORD is one. See http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Torah/The_Shema/the_shema.html

          I’m creating a folder at home to include all the enlightened advice and links you and other Watchers have generously offered me since I joined JW about a year ago.
          Yes, I see now that personally and politically I must raise the bar and study these source materials (ouch?).
          But, I AM in your debt!

  12. Brian Hoff says

    May 12, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Every in our mosque say Boko Haram broke Islamic law by knippnaping and rapeing those girls. They also broke Islamist law by treat them as sex slave. We say that Islam doesnot allow slavery anymore it once did but not anymore.

    • Wellington says

      May 12, 2014 at 10:37 pm

      Oh goodie. Well, that’s a relief. Time to take the scrutiny of Islam away, eh?

      P.S. Just out of curiosity, when exactly did Islam (not a particular Islamic country like Saudi Arabia who did so so “early” ago in 1962) disallow slavery? Yeah, exactly when did the Islamic faith in toto disallow it? I missed that.

    • bill says

      May 13, 2014 at 5:28 am

      Good to hear, but where is the outrage, where are the demonstrations from the ‘decent’ Muslim community against this? Muslims throughout the world are very quick, one could say a knee jerk reaction, to any perceived insult to Islam the Quran or Mohammmad, but when Christians, even other Muslims and Jews are murdered or kidnapped there is silence. Where is the fatwah from the supreme leader of Iran, for example? Only the leader of Saudi Arabia has condemned BH perhaps at the request of Obama.
      Where is the death sentence for Boko Haram and its leader?

    • gravenimage says

      May 13, 2014 at 4:54 pm

      The Taqiyy-spouting “Brian Hoff” wrote:

      Every in our mosque say Boko Haram broke Islamic law by knippnaping and rapeing those girls. They also broke Islamist law by treat them as sex slave. We say that Islam doesnot allow slavery anymore it once did but not anymore.
      ……………………………

      Is that so? And yet we have heard dozens of learned Imams of late affirm that taking sex slaves is perfectly Islamic.

      And how could it not be? The actions of the baleful “Prophet”, who kidnapped victims, ransomed them, exchanged them for imprisoned Jihadists, raped them—even going so far as chiding his thuggish followers for trying to avoid impregnating them—selling them into sex slavery, and “marrying” them off to himself and his barbaric companions.

      *None* of this has even been banned in Islam. What, exactly, does the “every” in your mosque have to say about that, “DefenderofIslam”—besides the idea that it is good to snow the credulous Kuffar whenever you can?

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      May 13, 2014 at 5:21 pm

      We say that Islam doesnot allow slavery anymore it once did but not anymore.

      There has been no amendment to the Holy Ko-Ran or the Hah-Death. Allah and the Sunnah still say that slavery and sex-slavery are a-ok, which makes you and those in the “we” to whom you allude apostates. Look up what punishment Allah commands for apostates.

    • voegelinian says

      May 13, 2014 at 5:46 pm

      “Islam doesnot allow slavery anymore it once did but not anymore.”

      Bidaah Haram.

  13. islamisdeath says

    May 12, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    Revolting and disgusting and depraved! I feel like puking!

  14. Christian A. Beltram says

    May 12, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    With the exception of polygamy, I wonder if this same behavior towards female slaves was endorced in the Antebellum South. If the answer is yes, then I am tempted to ask the following question. Were our nation’s founding influenced by the Qu’ran’s views on slavery, even if they did not know it? My assumtion is possible since different ideas and attitudes expressed by different cultures travelled back and forth throughout Europe in the centuries before our nation was founded.

    • Wellington says

      May 13, 2014 at 12:54 am

      The answer is “yes” to some extent regarding female slaves. A very large majority of antebellum Southerners, though, did not own slaves. With few exceptions only the aristocratic class and some substantial yeomen type had them. Most who did only had a few. It was the very rare Southerner who had fifty or more. Free blacks in the South, especially in North Carolina, also owned black slaves as did many American Indians. One of the principal reasons the Five Civilized Tribes in the future Oklahoma sided with the Confederacy was to preserve their black slave system. This is, of course, usually left out of history textbooks because it doesn’t fit the paradigm of Indians only as victims.

      I know of no evidence that the Koran influenced the South’s views on slavery. Moreover, I think it important to remember that all corners of the earth had this iniquitous institution. To the West’s credit, it was the first civilization to realize slavery’s moral wrong and to take steps to eradicate it. Indeed, the British in particular made great efforts by way of their navy and their army to stop the African slave trade and actual slavery in Africa itself, and America, of course, waged a bitter civil war principally, though not solely, because of the disparity of views between North and South on slavery. Western Civilization has also made profuse apologies for having slavery, something the Islamic world to this very day has never done, but then the Islamic world has demonstrated a total incapacity to apologize for any of its wrongdoings, which have been legion over the centuries.

      • bill says

        May 13, 2014 at 6:05 am

        To give the British credit (I declare my nationality here) they were the first to pass laws against slavery (1833) after a long and bitter struggle lasting over 30 years, but they did not abolish it or declare all slaves free. They first abolished the TRADE in slaves. To give Christianity credit ( I declare atheism here) Wilberforce and his supporters were devout Christians. However most slave owners and those who profited from slavery were also Christians or at least they professed to be. I believe also the Society for the Propagation of Christian knowledge also owned slaves. The Bible was used to justify slaveryby many people.

        • gravenimage says

          May 13, 2014 at 5:20 pm

          Bill wrote:

          The Bible was used to justify slaveryby many people.
          …………………………….

          This is true, Bill—but it was also used by abolitionists and slaves yearning for freedom to *condemn* slavery.

          The hymn “Amazing Grace” was written by a former slave trader who felt that nothing less than divine grace could forgive the evil that he spent the rest of his life atoning for and working against.

          Negro spirituals are full of reference to the River Jordan and the Biblical enslavement of the Jews in Egypt.

          And it was not just men like Wilberforce who were devout Christians—there were many Christians here in the states who worked for abolition, as well. The Quakers were especially known for their abolition work.

          Many churches also served as “stations” on the Underground Railroad, as well, sheltering and hiding escaped slaves as they made their way north to freedom.

          I think the important thing here is not that the Bible was universally interpreted as being anti-slavery—clearly, it was not—but that it *could be*.

          *No one* would use the Qur’an to argue that slavery is wrong.

          Every major male figure in Islam—including the “Prophet”—took slaves, raped slaves, and traded slaves.

          And now—no surprise—it is not Christians or atheists or people of any other creed who are working to formally reimpose the horror of organized slavery—but just the pious members of “the religion of peace” like Boko Haram—and this learned Imam at Islam Q&A.

        • voegelinian says

          May 13, 2014 at 5:49 pm

          Most American Abolitionists were also Christians. It would be a curious historical revisionism to try to assert that the abolition of slavery by the West (unprecedented in all world history for any culture, btw) was, in fact, predominantly a Christian movement.

      • duh_swami says

        May 13, 2014 at 6:24 am

        My ancestors moved into Covington County Mississippi In the early 1840’s, soon they moved a few miles north into Smith county in the vicinity of ‘Sullivan’s Hollow’, a very rough place, and engaged in farming. My GG grandfather and three of his brothers fought in the Civil War on the side of the confederacy. Two of them were captured and hung for resisting with arms. They owned no slaves and did not support slavery. The ’20 slave rule’ really pzzed off the poor farm boy soldiers. It exempted any rich slave owner with more than 20 slaves from military service, putting the boys in the position of fighting to keep rich guys rich. No one in those areas ever heard of Islam, so there is no way the Quran influenced them on slavery.

      • Bettina says

        May 13, 2014 at 4:33 pm

        Those capable of humanity experience empathy, and therefore remorse. Sociopaths cannot. Individual muslim sociopaths, in the aggregate, institutionalized their worst tendencies to form sociopathic islamic regimes. There’s no other explanation.
        Empathy and remorse? Very good point among many others, Wellington!

    • voegelinian says

      May 13, 2014 at 5:55 pm

      While we have seen Muslims kill, enslave and rape other Muslims now and then, it’s safe to say that when they have enslaved throughout history (and Muslims have had the largest slave-capturing, slave-harvesting, slave-trading, and slave-using network in all of world history), they tended to target non-Muslims (and, by extension, to “free” the ones who converted).

      This means that in terms of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, there was a kind of “Darwinian” factor in effect: i.e., the vast majority (if not all) of the black slaves who were bought by Europeans from the Arab and African Muslim Slave Traders to be shipped over to the Americas were perforce non-Muslim Africans. I.e., the very nature of the Islamic slave trade, and the European involvement in it as consumers, guaranteed that the vast majority (if not all) of the blacks they brought to the Americas would be non-Muslim blacks.

      Thank Allah that this epochal transfer of an African demographic to the Americas did not bring innumerable Muslims! Just think of the problems that would have developed if that had been so!

      • EYESOPEN says

        May 13, 2014 at 11:12 pm

        And it is supremely ironic that so many blacks (in the U.S.A. and elsewhere in the West), in their haste to be shed of anything “white” – especially Christianity – never cared to learn this part of history, and have bought into the lies of izlam hook, line and sinker. It might also be of interest to them to know that “Arab” muzlims look down upon them (as they look down upon other “reverts”) as “lesser” people; and consider them only fit for cannon fodder – those that can be “persuaded” to “sacrifice themselves for allah and jihad” first.

        (I’m sure that was the point you were getting at vogelinian.)

  15. susanp says

    May 13, 2014 at 12:05 am

    Boko Haram was not declared a terrorist organization by the State Department because its demented, barbaric members are black; they look like African Americans. It might threaten multiculturalism, moral relativism, and cultural Marxism to single out an all black terrorist group of filthy savages and call them ‘terrorists’. Why that would be racist and islamophobic, two of the most heinous thought crimes imaginable, and it could cause some to question the validity of the crap the elitists have worked long and hard to foist on the American people, the dogma of multiculturalism. The ignorance of many of our leaders is disgusting; the deceit and mendacity of many others are treasonous. As for the corrupt American news media, what can we do? They have been remiss for many years in objectively reporting the unbiased truth but since Obama’s election, they have become the guardians of the lies and deception of the most corrupt, insidious administration in this country’s history. Obama loves terrorists of every ethnicity and race as long as they are muslims so while many are optimistic that the unexpected support for the kidnapped girls will showcase the evil of islam and open some eyes, the apologists and propagandists are working overtime to absolve islam of any culpability for the crimes of the African islamic terrorists. They will have they last word and everyone will go back to sleep.

  16. Jay Boo says

    May 13, 2014 at 12:48 am

    Don’t blame Muhammad
    It is all the fault of the dishonorable Allah of Islam
    the piggy god which Muhammad conjured up and made in his own image.

  17. dlbrand says

    May 13, 2014 at 2:16 am

    “The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one’s right hand possesses.”

    Well of course it does.

    And the ahadith and Tafsir provide more than amble clarifications and buttressing of the tenet, should anyone doubt just precisely what the precept is concerning just that.

  18. Sencit says

    May 13, 2014 at 2:39 am

    “to each of whom he left four hundred in his will”
    Good grief, so now they know the contents of Abraham’s will!

    • eib says

      May 13, 2014 at 11:07 am

      Again, gnosticism at work.
      Muslims claim to have transcendent knowledge that no human being could have.
      They know nothing of the divide between transcendent and immanent.

      • voegelinian says

        May 13, 2014 at 5:58 pm

        And yet the routinely kill people for supposedly transgressing that divide. Yet another example of the intrinsically tortured schizophrenia at the heart of Islam.

  19. Salah says

    May 13, 2014 at 3:17 am

    “Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman”

    “Islam allows a man to have intercourse with children”

    “Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his dead wife”

    “Islam allows a man to have intercourse with animals…dead or alive”

    THAT’S ISLAM…PURE EVIL.

    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/03/necrophilia-in-islam-necrophilie-en.html

    • bettina says

      May 13, 2014 at 6:22 pm

      Hello, Salah 🙂
      I went to your BlogSpot and stopped mid-way to vomit, metaphorically.
      Do you run that site? If not, to whom do I address a heartfelt compliment?
      F—-ing slaves, children, dead wives and animals: Check. Got it.
      Thank you!

      • Salah says

        May 14, 2014 at 2:46 am

        Yes I do run CrossMuslims. I started it after having experienced a few vomiting sessions myself!!!
        Most Muslims know NOTHING about their ugly and disgusting prophet. Today, thanks to the internet, things have changed, and the filth of Muhammad is been unveiled to Muslims as well as to non-Muslims.
        “For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed: nor hidden, that shall not be known. For whatsoever things you have spoken in darkness, shall be published in the light: and that which you have spoken in the ear in the chambers, shall be preached on the housetops.” Luc 12:2-3

        Please share the info, sometimes vomiting is healthy!

        • Bettina says

          May 14, 2014 at 1:05 pm

          Something like “You can run, but you can’t hide,” huh?
          Glad you shared that you’re the creator of that site. It is now on my favorites toolbar.

        • Salah says

          May 14, 2014 at 6:00 pm

          Thanks Bettina, please share. People need to know the truth.

  20. duh_swami says

    May 13, 2014 at 6:40 am

    A warrior came to Mahound worried about coitus interruption. He was afraid he might get his SLAVE GIRL pregnant. Mahound told him basically to not worry about it because if Allah wants to create a life it will happen. Raping slave girls was just an Islamic way of life…It still is.

  21. citycat says

    May 13, 2014 at 6:57 am

    Take away the brutal sexual incentive from Islam, and it won’t be Islam.

  22. eib says

    May 13, 2014 at 7:25 am

    We must not partake of this evil.
    Shall we have another civil war?
    This time, over Islam and its “peculiar institutions”?

  23. JMD says

    May 13, 2014 at 10:18 am

    If the Prophet lived today in a western country, he would probably be in jail. That is where psychopathic pedophiles usually end up. What an abomination that there a billion people in this world who regard this long-dead degenerate as a holy man.

    • voegelinian says

      May 13, 2014 at 6:00 pm

      “If the Prophet lived today in a western country, he would probably be in jail. ”

      Or he would be gabbing with the gals on The View, respectfully interviewed on Oprah’s couch, and invited to the Obama White House.

  24. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    May 13, 2014 at 5:06 pm

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    This is my list of the best essays on Islam misogyny out of the Women’s Studies departments at Harvard, Yale, Columbia and Princeton. Stanford and USC, too.

    Quite a list, isn’t it?

    • gravenimage says

      May 13, 2014 at 5:43 pm

      This sort of stupidity from The Atlantic is far more common, APF—not just saying that Islam has nothing to do with misogyny in the Muslim world, but even showcasing shills who question that the whole idea that the Muslim world *is* misogynist:

      “…Nahed Eltantawy accused the piece of representing Arab women “as the Oriental Other, weak, helpless and submissive, oppressed by Islam and the Muslim male, this ugly, barbaric monster.” Samia Errazzouki fumed at “the monolithic representation of women in the region.” Roqayah Chamseddine wrote, “Not only has Eltahawy demonized the men of the Middle East and confined them into one role, that of eternal tormentors, as her Western audience claps and cheers…”

      It goes on to falsely imply that they West is, or has been, ‘just as bad’.

      Sickening, but par for the course these days:

      http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-real-roots-of-sexism-in-the-middle-east-its-not-islam-race-or-hate/256362/

      And yet, these girls were not abducted in Dar-al-Harb, nor were they abducted by Infidels. Really, it’s a mystery…sarc/off

  25. Semeru says

    May 13, 2014 at 11:44 pm

    In reply to Bettina who wrote

    Thank you, Face! Growing up in Casablanca, I remember seeing these poor beggars. For us middle-class people, however, they didn’t really exist since my parents viewed them as potential liars and exploiters you’d be a fool to trust.

    Your parents where right

    Had I only known, in my youth, that these wretched women were thrown into the streets like so much garbage, humiliated, in physical pain and mental anguish, what could I have done?

    You are very clueless, naive.

    According to the survey findings, there are some 196,000 beggars in Morocco, 49% of them women.

    The study, unveiled at the Tit Mellil Social Centre in Casablanca, also shows that 62.4% of these beggars are professionals, with bank accounts and real estate purchased with money received from begging.

    “If I went and worked as a housemaid, this would require major physical effort and give me no more than 60 dirhams in the best cases,” professional beggar Fatna N. told Magharebia. Instead, she said, she begs on the street and collects about 200 dirhams every day without making any effort.

    More

    One 68-year old female beggar avoided going to a public bathroom for years for fear that her money and gold jewellery would be stolen, the study said.

    In just four years of begging, she was able to collect 120,000 dirhams in cash—and six gold bracelets.

    Excluding her income from begging, her stable monthly earnings total some 5,500 dirhams. In addition to owning a building in Casablanca, she receives 2,000 dirhams each month in rental income from a mechanic’s workshop. She has another shop that her son is renting for 500 dirhams a month. Another immigrant son in Germany sends her 3,500 dirhams a month. In spite of all this, she still chooses to beg.

    The same report mentioned a 63-year old female beggar who has a bank balance of 320,000 dirhams, a house in a fashionable district of Casablanca, cash, gold, and banker and trader sons who provide her with money.

    http://magharebia.com/en_GB/articles/awi/reportage/2008/12/05/reportage-01

    Clearly, these beggars are far from poor, or that they are not wretched, nor were thrown into the streets like so much garbage, humiliated, in physical pain and mental anguish.

    • Bettina says

      May 14, 2014 at 11:02 am

      Good post, Semeru —
      I followed your link to Magharebia. The site is written by the United States Africa Command, whose mission is to foster stability in the region.
      I’m very glad you took the time to research the issue of arab beggars in Morocco. There’s much to learn about deceitful beggars there, and likely in most parts of the world.

      Still, this does not excuse your acerbic, sour attitude toward me, Graven, and many other Watchers here. You know we’re all anti-islam, but you persist in stoking the fires by spouting pro-islam remarks that go directly against the grain on JW.
      You act like an attention grabber by creating false issues laced with put-downs toward one and all. You incite all the negative attention you can, which makes me question your mental health.

      If or when you decide to stop provoking everyone, and drop your personally antagonistic behaviors, you will meet with more success here, and your points — not your f–k ’em all arrogance — will receive the attention you’re looking for.

    • gravenimage says

      May 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm

      I’m sorry—the assertion that the average Moroccan beggar is actually a wealthy property owner is simply ludicrous.

  26. Devia Patel says

    Jun 6, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    Guys, I’m Brahman Indian. No doubt muslims are zipper-heads but not all. Look at ur five fingers of hands, all are different. Like this, in all religions, everyone is not similar to eachother .. so alleviate ur feeble comments. Don’t prove that with ur jesus u r all dick heads.. u hate buddah and other religions. U think only christianity is true religion. If all other religions are fake , then christianity it self make fake…….shit… really dick munchars u americans are… jai ho…

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