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Muslim Congressmen and leaders to Boko Haram: “You have truly strayed from Islam”

May 22, 2014 8:53 am By Robert Spencer

Rep-Keith-Ellison-crying_photo_mediumRepresentatives Keith Ellison (D-MN) and André Carson (D-IN), the nation’s two Muslim Congressmen, and a host of Muslim leaders, many with ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, have published an open letter condemning Boko Haram, the Party of the People of the Sunnah for Dawah and Jihad, as un-Islamic, and calling upon the group’s leader, Abubakar Shekau, to release the girls the group has kidnapped.

The U.S. Muslims’ argument is based on the claim that Boko Haram kidnapped the girls because they were seeking an education, while in Islam both men and women are enjoined to get educated. This neatly avoids the real objection that Boko Haram has to girls (and boys) getting educated: that the education they were getting was Western in style and orientation, rather than based on the Qur’an and Islam. And once again we see Muslim leaders condemning the kidnapping of these girls without even mentioning the Qur’an’s allowance for a man to have “captives of the right hand” with whom he can have sexual intercourse (4:3; 4:24; 33:50. etc.). It would be refreshing if even once these “moderate” Muslim leaders would address these passages and explain how Boko Haram and other Muslims who kidnap girls and use them as sex slaves are misunderstanding and misusing the Qur’an. But it hasn’t been done yet.

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful –

May 20, 2014

Abubakar Shekau:

We urge you to immediately release the young children you have unconscionably taken. Your actions have shocked Muslims across the world and have disrespected Islam and the teachings of the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him).

Your justification for stealing these children – that education for girls goes against Islam – has no basis whatsoever in our faith. The Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) wisely emphasized that every Muslim man and woman has a duty to seek education. You have truly strayed from Islam when your actions betray its first command: “Iqra!”

You do not represent Islam or what Muslims know to be the teachings of Islam. Your attempt to transform a central tenet of Islam into a vile lie used to kill and maim innocent Nigerians of all faiths is transparent. You treat children like cattle. It is abhorrent and sinful to pretend to be a Prophet to whom Allah has spoken.

A faithful reading of the teachings of Islam compels you to immediately return these children to their families. The Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) instructs us to set an example of justice and mercy. In Surat Fussilat, Ayah 34, we are told that “the good deed and the evil deed are not alike,” and we are instructed to “repel the evil deed with one that is better.”

If you would like to follow the teachings of Islam, listen to the global chorus of voices that are enjoining you to do what is right: return these children to their families and replace the evil in your heart with peace and learning.

Sincerely,

Keith Ellison
U.S. House of Representatives
Minneapolis, MN

André Carson
U.S. House of Representatives
Indianapolis, IN

Imam Mohamed Magid
ADAMS Center
Sterling, VA

Imam Abdullah T. Antepli
Duke University
Durham, NC

Oussama Jammal
U.S. Council of Muslim Organizations
Washington, DC

Sheikh Hamza Yusuf
Zaytuna College
Berkeley, CA

Imam Sheikh Jamal Said
The Mosque Foundation
Bridgeview, IL

Imam Sheikh Kifah Mustapha
The Mosque Foundation
Brigeview, IL

Dr. Hatem Bazian
American Muslims for Palestine
Palos Hills, IL

Mazen Mokhtar
Muslim American Society
Washington, DC

Nihad Awad
Council on American-Islamic Relations
Washington, DC

Naeem Baig
Islamic Circle of North America
Queens, NY

Khalil Meek
Muslim Legal Fund of America
Dallas, TX

W. Deen Mohammed II
The Mosque Cares
Chicago, IL

Mahtabuddin Ahmed
Muslim Ummah of North America
New York, NY

Hussein Ata
The Mosque Foundation
Bridgeview, IL

Shakeel Syed
Shura Council of Southern California
Orange Grove, CA

Imam Talib Shareef
The Mosque Cares
Washington, DC

Imam Mohamad Bashar Arafat
Islamic Affairs Council of Maryland
Baltimore, MD

Shaykh Yasir Qadhi
Al-Maghrib Institute
Memphis, TN

Imam William Suhaib Webb
The Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center
Boston, MA

Imam Sohaib Sultan
Princeton University
Princeton, NJ

Imam Omer Bajwa
Yale University
New Haven, CT

Imam Yahya Hendi
Georgetown University
Washington, DC

Imam Dr. Salahuddin M. Muhammad
President, Association of Muslim Chaplains
Garner, NC

Imam Beau Latif Scurich
Northeastern University
Boston, MA

Imam Jihad Turk
Bayan Claremont Islamic Graduate School
Claremont, CA

Naila Scurich Baloch
Tufts University
Medford, MA

Imam Tarif Shraim
University of Maryland
College Park, MD

Shaykha Tahera Ahmed
Northwestern University
Chicago, IL

Chaplain Ailya Vajid
Swarthmore College
Swarthmore, PA

Imam Adeel Zeeb
Wesleyan University
Midldetown, CT

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  1. Andy says

    May 22, 2014 at 8:58 am

    Boko Harem’s response:
    “nuts!”

    • jihad3tracker says

      May 22, 2014 at 10:47 am

      Just when I thought Keith Ellison had show us the depth of his imbecile mind, HE SURPRISES ME !!!! Congratulations, Congressman, for Muslim over-achievement — as usual, in the basement of Islam’s intellectual storehouse.

      ( I communicate with you here at JW because you read every post that Mr. Spencer puts up. Why waste precious time going to some clueless intern in your office ?)

      The insulting tone of this letter is stunning, given the intended objective. I say that not as a counter-jihadist, but simply as a normal person — imagining myself in Abubakar Shekau’s shoes — to such a litany of hostility.

      Stay tuned for what I confidently predict is an extended train wreck of reaction by Boko Haram — which clearly knows how to play the DhimmMedia like a cheap fiddle.

      FOX News ought to have Ellison on for an interview in a new segment produced especially for him and fellow screw-up Andre Carson : “Power Morons of the Week” …

    • mortimer says

      May 22, 2014 at 10:52 am

      KEITH ELLISON! You have truly strayed from the hadiths, Sira and sunna of Mohammed, the enslaver.

    • jihad3tracker says

      May 22, 2014 at 9:42 pm

      Before this thread closes out, here is a special “Hello” to congressman Andre Carson.

      YO DUDE !!! CONGRATS ON YOUR PARTNERSHIP WITH KEITH ELLISON AND WRITING SUCH AN AMAZING LETTER …..

      As a Muslim, you faithfully owe allegiance NOT to our Constitution — but to the eventual prevalence of Sharia. That makes you an enemy of the United States — in other words, a seditionist and traitor. Is that clear enough ?

      You picked a hilarious partner — Keith Ellison — who has proven himself to be clueless about smart tactics. Check out the cover shot of him which Bob Spencer uses in this topic header.

      Pathetic Mr. Minnesota Ummah obviously cannot show a convincing taqiyya face during photo opportunities, instead collapsing into self-aggrandized weeping. Ugly major FAIL.

      BUT PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK FOR ONE ACCOMPLISHMENT : Before this letter disaster, I, and likely hundreds of other Jihadwatch readers had no idea who you were.

      Now your identity is apparent — as someone who strives to end American liberties — who will do so even if that means murdering “Infidels” just like Boko Haram, thus providing exemplary guidance for others, in service to Allah.

      He is YOUR deity too, Mr. Carson; the blood of many thousands slaughtered by Muslims drips from your hands –innocent children are among them, of course. If the courage to denounce Muhammad’s sick pathology finds itself growing in your soul, let us know.

  2. Diane Harvey says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Kinda interesting that they don’t even know the tenets of their own political religions system.

    Or perhaps they’re practicing a little bit of taqiyya?

    • Nancy Figueroa says

      May 22, 2014 at 9:50 am

      Yes they advocate Islam, but they don’t walk the full mile of the Quran’s teachings, for they are still in the Dawah stage of promoting it through propaganda, that is what they think Islam is, but it is not the the heart of what the Quran mandates for. It is a war manual, it is Satan’s book for war on the soul, war against God’s people, Christians and Jews, to get them out of Satan’s face, so he can have his complete Muslim world praising him alone. These politicians have been skimming the religion, holding parties to court people into Islam, they are the welcome committee, but Boko Haram are the soldiers at war with God’s people. One does it by Parties to make people lose Salvation and Truth by courting them into Islam with the deceit, the other does it by force. Same Garment tied by the same thread.

    • john spielman says

      May 22, 2014 at 9:54 am

      absolutely ! We nonmuslims can never know if ther’re truly genuine in their concern or if they’re LYING, since Muhammed, their “perfect man” allowed lying to your enemies to gain advantage over them!

    • mortimer says

      May 22, 2014 at 10:54 am

      Keith Ellison is aware that Islam teaches ENSLAVEMENT OF KAFIRS, but he is in denial for PR purposes. That is verbal jihad or taqiyya.

      He is totally lacking in honesty.

  3. Michael Copeland says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:01 am

    “Understand that lying is not wrong in itself.
    If a lie is the only way to achieve a good result [for Islam], it is permitted.”

    Al Ghazali (1059-1111), one of Islam’s most important theologians.
    http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/elisabeths-voice-the-final-push-to-the-echr

  4. Jaladhi says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:07 am

    All these “fake” imams signing this declaration that Americans will believe them in hiding the true face of islam being followed by Boko Haram.

    Doesn’t impress me – all these liars are simply propagating the lies about Islam while hiding the real truth.

  5. Michael Copeland says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:07 am

    So many muslims, apparently, “do not represent Islam”.

  6. Mirren10 says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:18 am

    Keith Ellison … isn’t he the tosser who boo-hooed his way through a Congressional hearing on mohammedan terrorism ?

    This is just typical mohammedan lies, turnspeak, and misdirection. They are **still** clearly hoping that an awful lot of Americans won’t bother to actually **read** the infernal koran. Wankers.

  7. duh_swami says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:20 am

    That’s a great philosophy, try and get Boko’s cooperation by chastising and insulting them.

  8. Charli Main says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:21 am

    Just another desperate Muslim attempt at damage control.
    The good old “its not Islam, Boko Haram have misunderstood and misinterpreted peace loving, tolerant Islam” defence.
    Bullshit baffles the brains of MSM Muslim apologists but not the clued up and aware followers of JW.

    • PGuud says

      May 22, 2014 at 9:20 pm

      Yes, it is–damage control with lip service.

      Islam is a global scourge. Boko Haram is a representative example of that.

      Never trust a Muslim–any Muslim.

      Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

  9. KrazyKafir says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Moderate Muslims are just carriers of the mental virus.

  10. Jay Boo says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:34 am

    “[Muslim leaders, many with ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, have published an open letter condemning Boko Haram]”
    ———-

    Are they becoming Islamophobic?
    1 The white wash of Boko Haram by Hillary was not enough.
    2 The MSM’s attempt to lay all the blame on Goodluck Johnathan was not enough.
    3 Talk of sanctions implied against the Nigerian government (with a shameless backtrack “oh we meant against Boko Haram”) was not enough.
    4 The ‘Three Stooges’ (BBC, Amnesty International and the UN) servitude was not enough.

    Is their anything lower than despicable Islam?

    • Brian Hoff says

      May 22, 2014 at 1:02 pm

      You hater of peaceful Islam want so much to discredit Islam that you want Boko Haram to be the poster person for Islam, it isnot going to happen people around the world know Islam is the religion of peace. Did you racist know that in WWII america have illegal camp for japonese-america so they can steal their bussiens so people like you can be crook.

      • John C. Barile says

        May 22, 2014 at 2:52 pm

        If, when, and where Islam were peaceful, it wouldn’t be discredited.

      • John C. Barile says

        May 22, 2014 at 2:55 pm

        PS: Your diction and spelling are improving somewhat, but you still ought to perfect them–you are still a long ways off.

      • Foolster41 says

        May 22, 2014 at 4:09 pm

        Brian Hoff: Let’s check your errors.

        1.Maybe you should tell that to: Saudia Arabia, HAMAS, Al-Quida, Boko Harum MILF, Iran, etc. etc. etc. they all don’t seem to think Islam is the religion of peace!
        2.ISLAM is not a race, so no, opposing Islam is not “RACIST”. Pleae stop using this faulty imflamitory argument.
        3.Tu Quo Que. What does the unfortunite interment of Japanese (there’s no o in there) Americans have to do with boko Harum? Nothing, it’s just a cheap insult.

        3 factual errors in two sentences.

      • bicky says

        May 22, 2014 at 5:55 pm

        y r u using a kuffar name , “brian ” , is it taqiyya ??

      • Champ says

        May 23, 2014 at 12:58 am

        “Brain Off” serves an Exhibit A: a lying mohammedan SOA!

  11. Saxon says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:38 am

    crocodile tears

  12. duh_swami says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:43 am

    Since Boko is not likely to be impressed with this letter, if they actually get it, who is it really trying to impress?

  13. pdxnag says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Can I suggest that Keith Ellison also insist that the 56 government members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) strip Islamic supremacism and mandatory application of totalitarian Sharia “law” from their constitutions? You see, Boko Haram just wants to join that exclusive club. How unIslamic could that really be anyway? It is quintessential Islam, Islamic conquest from Mecca to Constantinople and beyond, by the sword . . . and the lesser-included tactic of rape Jihad.

    Is there any distinction between Islamic marriage and being “sold into (Islamic) marriage”? Without consent no Islam-sanctioned marriage should be recognized by any free state.

    Keith,
    Is Islam itself unIslamic?

  14. Patrick Oguejiofor says

    May 22, 2014 at 9:56 am

    I expected these American Muslim leaders to equally condemn the endless massacre of innocent Nigerians particlualry Christians who are murdered in their various churches almost on weekly basis. The time has come for the Islamic world to stop this condemnation business. It is too escapist. They should go for reforms. Islam is over ripe for reforms. The killings are heartrending and everything possible should be done to stop it.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      May 22, 2014 at 10:48 am

      Hi, Patrick. The problem is that Islam is guided by the Quran, which Muslims believe to contain the perfect words of their god, Allah. They believe that no one except Allah can change the words of Allah………but Allah isn’t communicating with the Earth anymore…..either through angels or prophets. Muhammad said he was Allah’s final prophet and messenger…. and Muslims believe that. So it seems to me that it’s an all or nothing proposition. You can accept what’s in the Quran or you can reject what’s in the Quran but you can’t change the Quran….so no reform will be forthcoming. That’s where their prophet and their god left them.

      • jihad3tracker says

        May 22, 2014 at 11:37 am

        Hello Patrick —

        Cogito is correct. For an explanation of that and many other facts about how superbly Muhammad (no peace be upon him) designed his belief system to set firmly in concrete, go here :

        http://www.citizenwarrior.com / http://www.inquiryintoislam.com. Either website, or both; look for a post identified as “The terrifying brilliance of Islam”. Those words are not cynical — they are accurate.

    • bettina says

      May 22, 2014 at 12:54 pm

      What western governments and the media may be thinking:

      It’s just occurred to me that world’s attention to this mass kidnapping of girls might be caused by the cliff-hanger character of an unresolved situation which clearly begs for intervention.

      On the other hand, thousands of Christians killed worldwide by muslims is a done deal, so let’s not rock the boat — unforeseen regional consequences may result, so let these innocents rest in peace, etc.

      The West is mesmerized by the open-ended situation of these girls, whereas islam terrorizes and kills Christians near-daily, and… well, it’s too late to save them, anyway. Think of the consequences! Please bring me a bucket, I need to barf really bad!!

  15. Lawrence says

    May 22, 2014 at 10:24 am

    This is simply tactics. The signors of this document really do understand that their Sharia imposition project for the United States has been damaged by the events in Nigeria.

    After all, it is a thin reed to object to the slave raid because the girls were in the process of engaging in getting an education at the actual time they were kidnapped.

    And if they were not in a school but had been in a Church?

  16. Buraq says

    May 22, 2014 at 10:27 am

    Strange how the pregnant woman in Sudan sentenced to death for ‘straying from Islam’ was not accorded a similar letter with an appeal for her return to the Faith.

    Methinks this is just window-dressing for the naive infidels.

    Clowns, all of ’em!

  17. mortimer says

    May 22, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Mohammed abducted young women and sold them after his men raped them. This is normative Islam according to the hadiths.

    Ellison is creating his own personal Islam. He is delusional.

    • Watcher87 says

      May 22, 2014 at 11:05 am

      Ellison is not delusional.
      He is (as are all believers in Islam) obligated to make war (of all kinds) on the unbelievers.
      And as Muhammad said, “war is deceit”!

      • bettina says

        May 22, 2014 at 2:16 pm

        How many Black Americans adopted islam and arabic proper names in reaction to their past enslavement by white Europeans, not ever realizing that the arabs preceded the whites by how many centuries? And that muslims never denounced slavery and apologized for it, as the whites have.
        And, beneath all this, I view black converts to islam as people fighting their feelings of inferiority toward whites by turning on them, using islam as a tool of vengeful aggression.
        Please correct me if you think I’m wrong about these two causal factors…

        • bonnie loranger says

          May 23, 2014 at 4:41 pm

          I totally agree with you. I read many good history books on the Muslim Arab slave trade in Africa. It lasted many more centuries than in the West and was a lot more brutal and deadly. At least the West has apologize for it but not the East.

        • Islamisdeath says

          May 23, 2014 at 5:02 pm

          Actually the arabs rounded them up and sold them at auction to. The white Europeans

  18. Peter says

    May 22, 2014 at 10:46 am

    Crocodile tears.

  19. mariam rove says

    May 22, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Keith Ellison and the rest of the Imams who signed this letter are among the most dangerous muslims. They are called stealth jihadists. M

    • bettina says

      May 23, 2014 at 12:48 am

      Gotcha Mariam! How flippin’ sinister is that!
      Thank you for reiterating the repulsive, sneaky truth about muslims and soft jihad. Got your back, my friend!

  20. JL Jones (@JnsJudy7) says

    May 22, 2014 at 11:33 am

    it appears the public is waking to the shame of the cult of islam. no matter what the dhimmis say to the public and in public, the truth about real islam and not the watered down version of the congressman and his north american imams will come after him when the time is right…

    • mariam rove says

      May 22, 2014 at 11:40 am

      the congressman and his north american imams will come after him when the time is right…

      Exactly. Stealth jihaidsts are in no rush. Inch by inch..that is how they take over. M

      • voegelinian says

        May 23, 2014 at 4:11 pm

        And stealth jihadists require the cover of innumerable Muslims who seem to be passively harmless.

        And for that to work, gullible Westerners need to believe that there exist viable millions of harmless Muslims (whether they be harmless because they are “ignorant of Islam” or “lax” or “in name only”, or whether it’s because Islam is so “diverse”, etc.).

  21. shiek yerbooti says

    May 22, 2014 at 11:50 am

    I think the congressman should launch his own hashtag campaign.

    Taqiyya and kitman alive and well in congress 🙁

  22. karpenter says

    May 22, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    Muslim Congressman Thinks:
    ‘(darn, i think they’re onto us…)’

  23. Wellington says

    May 22, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    So, let me get this all straight. Ellison and his fellow Muzzies who signed the letter above maintain that Boko Haram is un-Islamic because it doesn’t want education for girls. Boko Haram, as near as can be told, is not against education for girls (and boys) as long it is Islamic education and not Western education. But then isn’t Boko Haram at odds with the Taliban in Afghanistan who apparently want no education for girls? And wouldn’t Ellison and his ilk be un-Islamic in allowing for some kind of Western education for Muslim girls (or boys)? Compounding all this is that sex slavery is condoned by Islam right out of the Koran but Ellison et al. don’t want to get anywhere near this issue.

    Hmmm. What other religion produces so much misunderstanding and disagreement (and often times silence or deception) about its tenets, with, of course, a decided inclination towards violence if its own interpretation of this or that tenet is not accepted?

    Conclusion: Islam is so messed up and a burden to all the world. I believe the world is coming to this conclusion more and more with each passing year. Long way to go though.

    • Kepha says

      May 22, 2014 at 9:59 pm

      Call me a racist, but I think that Keith Ellison’s “Islam” is a pose to make him look “cool” to an electoral base which on the one hand is ignorant and disgruntled and on the other is consumed by Social Democrat-cum-liberal guilt feelings and a desperate desire to prove oneself more than a benighted Midwesterner. Sorry, Meenie-zota, but that’s my analysis. Ya, viss. Ah, how great it is that we heirs of Scandinoovian Snoosgrinders can make ourselves the peers of Old Virginia’s tidewater aristocrats! Social climbing through guilt feelings! Wow! Only in America!

      Where I teach, I’ve seen so many who are too rye-chee-uss to be seen without their kooofie whose pants sag and who act like thugs (and I’ve heard Pakistani and Sahel African immigrants refer to such with such tones of contempt it shocked even me) and would probably quickly lose one or both hands if magically transported to the mythic Arabian Peninsula. Press him on the head, and I suspect that Ellison probably knows only Mal-comb Hex and , a handful of Qur’anic texts, and can recite the Shehada–and probably doesn’t care to know more. He probably never thinks of orthodox Islam’s view of woman as property and tilth and that the fair sex makes up the majority of the inhabitants of Hell (and to his credit; or, perhaps, chiefly because he won’t alienate his Party’s embittered feminist support). He has a cunning, second-rate American political hustler’s sense off style (swearing in on Jefferson’s copy of the Qur’an), and what will play to hiss chosen audience, and is just like a Midwestern river–six inches deep and a mile wide at the mouth.

    • bettina says

      May 23, 2014 at 6:30 pm

      Basic logic, syllogism, can never be the filter thru which one can view islam and its cursed jihadists — ain’t gonna happen. islam and sharia are too immersed in twisted convolutions and contradictions to rise to rational interpretation.

      Fortunately for us, all these murdering tentacles of islam disagree on some key points, and kill each other over these differences, as in Syria, the Gaza strip not long ago, and other places. Glorious be the day when they terminate one another in very large numbers — thus saving us the trouble.

  24. RCCA says

    May 22, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    This letter is what Robert has been calling for, a group of “moderate” Muslims condemning the actions of jihadis. Clearly these Muslims are appalled by the actions of Boko Haram and condemn their actions. It’s not for me as a non-Muslim to decide what is Islam and what is not. As far as I can see there are different interpretations of Islam at work despite the claim that the Qur’an is the word of Allah.

    • Wellington says

      May 22, 2014 at 1:24 pm

      The condemnation is couched in obfuscation, as Robert Spencer has already pointed out. I submit that such condemnation is not worth the paper it’s printed on.

      Also, why can’t a non-Muslim decide what Islam is or isn’t? Following your logic, no non-Marxist should decide what Marrxism is or is not. No non-Nazi should decide what Nazism is. And so on. Reconsider.

      • RCCA says

        May 22, 2014 at 2:35 pm

        It’s an unfair comparison to equate Islam or any other spiritual practice with Marxism. Marxism is strictly a political theory; and whatever your personal opinion is about Marxism doesn’t alter what Marx wrote. The way people practice religion is another matter and highly debatable, that’s why there are different denominations. Catholics and Methodists believe very different things but are still Christians. It makes no sense for me as a Jew to say which one is the true Christian.

        • Wellington says

          May 22, 2014 at 3:12 pm

          I don’t think the comparison is unfair at all since both are quite religious in nature. It takes massive belief to accept either the nonsense of Marxism or the nonsense of Islam. Besides, Islam is the one major religion which is also a political ideology, and a totalitarian ideology at that. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree here.

        • jihad3tracker says

          May 22, 2014 at 3:18 pm

          Responding to your comment about religions other than Islam : Judaism, Christianity, etc, of course all have their sacred texts considered as authoritative on essentials of each faith.

          Scholars and specialists deeply familiar with those writings — AS WELL AS believers of those religions — base opinions on the same sacred collections.

          If a Jew says that he eats pork but not in contravention to Hebraic Kosher prohibitions, it does not take a rabbi to prove him wrong.

          If a Christian murders a Hindu, claiming the Gospels permit that, we do not need a prelate to demolish such an assertion as false.

        • mariam rove says

          May 22, 2014 at 3:50 pm

          It is fair. Or I should say we are doing Marxism a dis service here. Islam is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000 times more evil than marxism is. M

        • RCCA says

          May 22, 2014 at 5:54 pm

          My point is that you get into shaky territory when you define whether someone is genuine or not regarding their religion. No one is saying that a non-observant Jew who eats pork is not violating kosher laws. The question is whether that person can be considered a Jew if they do not follow the kosher laws. Who decides?
          Obviously the same is true for Muslims.

        • voegelinian says

          May 23, 2014 at 4:39 pm

          “It’s an unfair comparison to equate Islam or any other spiritual practice with Marxism. Marxism is strictly a political theory…”

          Philosopher Eric Voegelin disagrees. He has analyzed all of Karl Marx’s writings (in addition to thousands of other pertinent texts of modern, medieval and ancient thought — the man was amazing in his breadth of knowledge of the primary sources), and he has persuasively shown what he calls the “ersatz religion” of Marx’s thought, not the least in his Immanentization of the escahton, in part based on an appropriation of Joachim of Fiore’s three-phase history.

        • bettina says

          May 23, 2014 at 8:14 pm

          As a former Liberal Jew, I used to give islam and muslims the benefit of the doubt as to their combined intentions. No more! Our enlightened commenters on JW opened my eyes for good!
          Also, our Republicans have been by far more protective of Israel than Democrats — duh!

          From now on, I’ll vote any political candidate according to who is the friendliest toward Israel. I’m fi-nal-ly getting it about liberal guilt toward minorities (muzzies included), and liberal moral equivocation — Yay! My old white “privilege” will never come into question again!

        • Champ ✿ says

          May 23, 2014 at 8:55 pm

          That’s awesome, Bettina! Kudos!

      • Jaladhi says

        May 22, 2014 at 4:55 pm

        You know how our media, leaders are running interference for Muslims and islam. I don’t know why – what’s in it for them? Are they so dumb that they can’t see it is not going to be good for them if Muslims are allowed to takeover the country which may be far off but nevertheless will happen if these morons continue doing it!!

    • jihad3tracker says

      May 22, 2014 at 3:00 pm

      Hello RCCA —

      The reply of Wellington (directly below) preceded mine, here.

      He asks why non-Muslims cannot also decide what is genuinely Islamic. Of course, the ARE qualified to do so. The Trilogy of Islam (Qur’an, Hadith, Sira) are the basis for such opinions.

      There are also numerous commentaries by Muslims over the centuries. All are in Arabic, but that is a language which is translatable like any other. Everyone whose opinions are worth considering base them primarily on the Trilogy.

      Mr. Spencer has written 13 books on this subject; his assertions in each of them cite an element found within standardly accepted versions of the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira. Those same citations would also be used by MUSLIMS to establish claims.

      And let us not forget that just exactly what is permitted by Islam has been shown clearly by Boko Haram in their kidnappings and perpetual slaughter of infidels. Yesterday their “faith in Allah” killed about 130 humans via twin vehicle bombs.

      Those fellows spend most of their days endlessly reading the Qur’an, because unfortunately there are no swimming pools and golf courses in that corner of the planet at which they could relax.

      There is an excellent introduction to the question of what we might call “Is it or isn’t it ?” — Gregory M. Davis’s posting here at JW, titled Islam 101. Around a solid hour from start to finish, but Memorial Day weekend is upon us, so please take a break from festivities to read it.

  25. bettina says

    May 22, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Just lost a new comment I posted re: adoption of islam by black Americans. No idea why.

  26. bobm says

    May 22, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    No “islamist “entity” is moving against the essense of islam.. they just hummin in the weeds brother!

  27. duh_swami says

    May 22, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    They could always travel to Nigeria and ‘reason’ with Boko in person…

    • jihad3tracker says

      May 22, 2014 at 5:11 pm

      EXCELLENT SUGGESTION !!!

      However, even cretins like Ellison and Carson know that Boko Haram would get out the sword, doing a mini-version of Muhammad’s gift to the Bani Quraiza during the Hijra — chopping off the heads of at least 700 Jewish captives who had the temerity to not accept submission.

  28. Jaladhi says

    May 22, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    There is no end to duplicity, lying, cheating of Musims when it concerns hiding the ugly truth about their religion and this letter by Ellison is prime example of it!!

  29. D.C. Watson says

    May 22, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    Nihad Awad’s name appears to be on this dirty diaper of a list, and so does Hatem “Intifada” Bazian’s…

    That enough for me.

    And what’s up with Ellison and all of this crying?

    The world must look at him and Boehner and wonder if the D.C. water supply is being spiked with estrogen. Goodness gracious man…

    • jihad3tracker says

      May 22, 2014 at 5:13 pm

      Hello D.C. —

      Thanks for giving me a laugh in the middle of our daily dose of Islamic pathology.

      • D.C. Watson says

        May 23, 2014 at 5:21 pm

        My pleasure.

  30. Wellington says

    May 22, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    RCCA: But about Jews and Christians, Buddhists and Hindus, et al., the same thing could be said. Difference is that since no other major faith is totalitarian in nature and wants to do things like, let’s see, conquer all the earth and make non-believers inferior in this world to believers, it most definitely does matter when figuring out the “genuineness” of Islam’s adherents.

    Islam is deserving of microinspection as no other major faith is. It should be judged by non-Muslims, frequently and with knowledge of what it intends for us all.

    Frankly, I think the mistake you make is that you really are ready to treat Islam like all other religions. Desisting from this inclination, I submit to you, is something you should seriously consider.

    • voegelinian says

      May 23, 2014 at 4:48 pm

      Given the complexities of “microinspection” based in great part on the sheer magnitude of the Muslim diaspora in geographical breadth and demographic numbers; and given the exigencies of the metastasizing dangers posed by the innumerable and ultimately indiscriminable front-line mujahideen (including what we call “terrorists”) and their enablers; we cannot base a micro-management of this problem on our supposed ability to discriminate among Dangerous Muslims and Harmless Muslims (or any other labels of discrimination, such as “genuineness” vs. “laxity”).

      Given what I argue immediately above (which few will really read and digest), we need to graduate to the grimly logical conclusion:

      prejudice against all Muslims.

      (Note: “prejudice” means you judge before you wait for the evidence. Ordinarily, our Western values have eschewed this; but the Mohammedan global revival clearly forces us into an extraordinary situation, for fuck sake. Or haven’t you guys been really reading and digesting this mountain of Mohammedan shit Jihad Watch churns out daily, weekly, monthly, yearly…!!!???

  31. sidney penny says

    May 22, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    One of the signatories to the letter.

    Imam Jihad Turk
    Bayan Claremont Islamic Graduate School
    Claremont, CA

    plus

    “It would be refreshing if even once these “moderate” Muslim leaders would address these passages and explain how Boko Haram and other Muslims who kidnap girls and use them as sex slaves are misunderstanding and misusing the Qur’an. But it hasn’t been done yet.”

    It is very difficult for the two Muslim Congressmen Keith Ellison and André Carson and the other Muslim leaders, to explain why Boko Haram is wrong.

    It would be easier for them to say we do not know who or what Boko Haram is.Nothing to do with Islam or Muslims.Nothing to do with us.

    They have dug themselves a hole they cannot get out of.

  32. sidney penny says

    May 22, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/muslimsplaining-islamic-terrorism-away/

    ‘Muslimsplaining’ Islamic Terrorism Away by Daniel Greenfield

    Trying to explain why Boko Haram had nothing to do with Islam.

    “As proof, Time cited a statement from Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti, Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh, that Boko Haram was “set up to smear the image of Islam.”

    This is the same Sheikh al-Sheikh who called for destroying all the churches in the region and marrying off 10-year-old girls. Destroying churches and raping schoolgirls is exactly what Boko Haram stands for. If you believe the media, the same grand mufti who supports raping children in Saudi Arabia as Islamic… opposes raping them in Nigeria as un-Islamic.”

    So if you believe the media, the same grand mufti who supports raping children in Saudi Arabia as Islamic. . . opposes raping them in Nigeria as un-Islamic.

  33. islamisdeath says

    May 22, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    So as I am beginning to understand it the new way to deal with those who rape, torture, murder and commit heinous acts of terrorism is to send out a strongly worded letter beseeching them to reconsider their ways or a similar tweet, if 142 characters are all you can manage.

    I am sure as this brutal written verbal blitz escalates and continues the Boko’s will be brought to their knees and surrender.

  34. Sam says

    May 22, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    What a f***** joke. These liberals, Muslims or not, have no clue about Islam or really about anything else

  35. PJG says

    May 22, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    Malala did the same thing, trying to make it look as if BH were simply against females getting an education. But if they were, they could perhaps have thought of other methods…disrupting classes so often that parents were afraid of sending their girls to school, for example.
    No, they took the girls to sell and to rape. School was a side issue, surely. It certianly was a handy place to snatch them from.The main issue was that they were infidels deserving to be raped and sold into sex slavery.
    And Ellison et al’s opinion of that is unrecorded.

  36. Kasey says

    May 23, 2014 at 6:13 am

    Just another example of taqiyya in action!

  37. Bill Morgenstein says

    May 23, 2014 at 8:23 am

    Islamophobia = Smokescreen

  38. Bezelel says

    May 23, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Christians are told to “obey the laws of the land” mussies are told to enforce sharia law. Global domination by any means necessary.
    No mussie deserves any position in US Gov. They do not deserve citizenship, they do not deserve student visas, they do not deserve the liberty to leave the borders of their origin. islamic countries chief national export is contempt for civilization. Quarantine the bastids and let them practice and demonstrate their camel piss drinking supremacist ideology on them friggin selves.

  39. JohnyAngel Advocacy Group says

    May 23, 2014 at 9:43 am

    All religions have misinformed adherants that due to this lack of true knowledge in the one true God,will continue to argue and espouse false beliefs and false doctrines. Though professing knowledge and seem wise,they have become fools.

  40. IAN ROBINSON says

    May 23, 2014 at 10:17 am

    You can take that with a pinch of salt – their mantra decrees that you can lie, say anything, if you are in support of islam – and, of course, they are. Also, there is no such thing as a ‘moderate’ muslim – that is just not allowed, it is haram and risks the death penalty

  41. Frans Groenendijk says

    May 23, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    To be honest, I really appreciate this part: “It is abhorrent and sinful to pretend to be a Prophet to whom Allah has spoken.”

  42. chai says

    May 24, 2014 at 12:01 am

    If they were sincere they would have declared jihad on Boko Haram.

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