What is going on at Fox, with their continual promotion of slyly deceptive Ahmadi Muslim apologists for jihad terror? First it was the habitually dishonest, venomously defamatory, and overweeningly arrogant Qasim Rashid, and now it is his oleaginous, ostentatiously pious partner in deception, Harris Zafar. It’s funny also that Zafar here is arguing with Dinesh D’Souza, who a few years ago repeatedly insisted that Islam was a Religion of Peace in several debates with me, including at CPAC 2007. Apparently I convinced him.
“9/11 museum’s Al Qaeda documentary does not tell the truth,” by Harris Zafar, FoxNews.com, May 15, 2014:
I was invited to appear alongside Dinesh D’Souza as a guest on Fox News’ “The Kelly File” on Tuesday night, May 13, to answer the question of why many Muslims and non-Muslims have taken issue with the film “Rise of Al Qaeda,” which is set to air within the new National September 11 Memorial Museum in New York City.
Museum officials screened the hitherto unreleased film to specific groups and received strong critical feedback about how the film seems to conflate the religion of Islam with the terrorists who brought down the World Trade Center.
As a Muslim, I begin by firmly stating, without any hesitation, that September 11 is an integral part of United States history, and the museum absolutely must capture accurately what happened to our nation that day. Part of that narrative is certainly the need to identify Al Qaeda, based on its involvement in the tragedy.
What has caused pause for many Muslims and non-Muslims, though, is when acts are labeled as Islamic, Islamist or with Islamic Arabic terms like jihad – for the use of such terms implies that acts of violence, death and terrorism are consistent with the religion of Islam. The purpose of the museum is to capture the facts of history, and a large body of people believes the use of these terms in the film is not adequately nuanced.
Dinesh D’Souza and the 9/11 Museum aren’t the ones labeling the 9/11 mass murder attack a jihad. It was the hijackers and plotters themselves.
In March 2009, the masterminds of the 9/11 plot, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi bin As-Shibh, Walid bin ‘Attash, Mustafa Ahmed AI-Hawsawi, and ‘Ali ‘abd Al-’Aziz ‘Ali – styling themselves as the “9/11 Shura Council” –wrote a lengthy communiqué titled “The Islamic Response to the Government’s Nine Accusations.” In it, they wrote: “Many thanks to God, for his kind gesture, and choosing us to perform the act of Jihad for his cause and to defend Islam and Muslims. Therefore, killing you and fighting you, destroying you and terrorizing you, responding back to your attacks, are all considered to be great legitimate duty in our religion….We ask to be near to God, we fight you and destroy you and terrorize you. The Jihad in god’s [sic] cause is a great duty in our religion.” They quoted numerous Qur’an verses, including one stating that “to those against whom war is waged, permission is given (to fight,) because they are wronged and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid” (22:39), and another commanding Muslims to “fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but be not the transgressor, Allah likes not the transgressors” (2:190). They even quoted the notorious “Verse of the Sword”: “Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, and besiege them and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush” (9:5).
To cinch their case, they used two verses enjoining Muslims to strike terror into the hearts of their foes: “Soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companies with Allah, for which he has sent no authority; There [sic] place will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrongdoers” (3:151); and “Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the heart of the enemies of Allah and your enemies” (8:60).
Hijacker Mohammed Atta wrote this just before the attack: “When the confrontation begins, strike like champions who do not want to go back to this world. Shout, ‘Allahu Akbar,’ because this strikes fear in the hearts of the non-believers. God said: ‘Strike above the neck, and strike at all of their extremities.’ Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, ‘Come hither, friend of God.’ They have dressed in their most beautiful clothing.” The “Strike above the neck, and strike at all of their extremities” quote is also from the Qur’an (47:4). The gardens and women of Paradise are also spoken of in the Qur’an (52:17-20; 55:62-76; etc.), underscoring the fact that Atta and his companions saw their mission and goal in exclusively Islamic terms.
In Osama bin Laden’s letter to the American people, which was published on November 24, 2002, he put it succinctly: “The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.” This was the ultimate purpose of the 9/11 attacks: to weaken the American economy, so that ultimately the American government would collapse. That, presumably, would end what bin Laden and his allies considered to be unacceptable American interference in Muslim countries, and pave the way for the U.S. itself to become an Islamic state.
Five years have passed, and no moderate Muslim authority has taken up this Islamic case for 9/11 and refuted it on Islamic grounds. This doesn’t mean that the jihadist argument is ipso facto correct, but for Zafar to pretend, and to demand that the 9/11 museum pretend, that the 9/11 plotters had no Islamic case and did not identify Islam as the motive and justification for their actions simply flies in the face of the facts.
Of course, such words are indeed only words. They are by no means as harmful to the image of Islam as the acts of violence committed by extremists in various parts of the world, all of whom claim adherence to the religion of Islam.
So, as a Muslim, not only do I take exception with indiscriminate violence and murder being labeled “Islamic,” “Islamist” or “jihad,” more importantly I take greater offense to the militant perversion of Islam espoused by lunatics claiming justification within my faith.
If Zafar really objects to this, he should refute their justification on Islamic grounds, not demand that it be covered up and not discussed at the 9/11 Museum.
Politically motivated radicals who commit these atrocities use their faith to glorify themselves and claim a higher meaning or purpose for what they are about to do, and that is a problem that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has been tackling for over a century while at the front lines of fighting extremism; it’s in our DNA. Our global leader, His Holiness the Khalifa of Islam, fights extremism every week by condemning barbaric acts committed in the name of Islam.
People like Dinesh D’Souza, however, overtly and deliberately go so far as to blame the religion of Islam itself as the single motivating factor behind terrorist acts. It amazes me that 12 1/2 years after 9/11, someone can claim with a straight face that Islam is truly to blame for these atrocities.
D’Souza, of all people, is not blaming the religion of Islam itself. He is noting, correctly, that 9/11 was a jihad attack. That has to be confronted by Muslims and non-Muslims who profess to oppose it, if anything effective is to be done to prevent such attacks from happening again.
The same man who argued that we must separate Jesus from “the historical injustices perpetrated in the name of Christianity” now makes the patently absurd claim that Muhammad and the religion of Islam are to blame for injustices perpetrated in the name of Islam.
This echoes the all too common rhetoric that violence committed by Muslims is a legitimate demonstration of Islam, while Muslim positions for freedom, education, liberty, peace and women’s rights are illegitimate demonstrations of Islam. Thus, while both violent Muslims and peaceful Muslims claim motivation by Islam’s teachings, only the violent ones understand Islam.
This is precisely the argument D’Souza made after my interview segment ended, when he claimed “the terrorists who did 9/11 said they were doing it in the name of Islam … these are very pious Muslims who did what they did in the name of Jihad.” He concluded that these 9/11 attackers are getting Islam right.
Perhaps this is part of D’Souza’s continued regression from polemic Christian author to political provocateur. He claimed that the Islamic concept of Jihad is a holy war waged by Muslims to violently spread their faith.
All too many Muslims believe that, or more precisely, that jihad is a means to spread the hegemony of Sharia. If Zafar really opposes them, he should be talking to them, and refuting their understanding of jihad on Islamic grounds, not scolding Dinesh D’Souza. In reality, jihad warfare against unbelievers is taught by all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence:
Shafi’i school: A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates about jihad that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh “˜Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)…while remaining in their ancestral religions.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).
Of course, there is no caliph today, and hence the oft-repeated claim that Osama et al are waging jihad illegitimately, as no state authority has authorized their jihad. But they explain their actions in terms of defensive jihad, which needs no state authority to call it, and becomes “obligatory for everyone” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.3) if a Muslim land is attacked. The end of the defensive jihad, however, is not peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims as equals: ‘Umdat al-Salik specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until “the final descent of Jesus.” After that, “nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent” (o9.8).
Hanafi school: A Hanafi manual of Islamic law repeats the same injunctions. It insists that people must be called to embrace Islam before being fought, “because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith.” It emphasizes that jihad must not be waged for economic gain, but solely for religious reasons: from the call to Islam “the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war.”
However, “if the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax [jizya], it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.” (Al-Hidayah, II.140)
Maliki school: Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a Maliki legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”
Hanbali school: The great medieval theorist of what is commonly known today as radical or fundamentalist Islam, Ibn Taymiyya (Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya, 1263-1328), was a Hanbali jurist. He directed that “since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God”s entirely and God”s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought.”
This is also taught by modern-day scholars of Islam. Majid Khadduri was an Iraqi scholar of Islamic law of international renown. In his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam, which was published in 1955 and remains one of the most lucid and illuminating works on the subject, Khadduri says this about jihad: “The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God’s law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world….The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state.” (P. 51)
Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the Faculty of Shari’ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad. In his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad, he quotes the twelfth century Maliki jurist Ibn Rushd: “Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book…is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah.” Nyazee concludes: “This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation” of non-Muslims.
Are all these authorities and scholars “extremists” or “anti-Muslim activists”? Apparently, Zafar would have you think so.
Such intellectual dishonesty is surprising from a man once hailed for his scholarship and reasonable arguments. Or perhaps this is his simple (and perhaps willful) ignorance of Islam in favor of a pre-selected historical narrative that Muslims have violently spread Islam by force since its inception.
Seeing Harris Zafar excoriate someone for intellectual dishonesty is like seeing Lyndon Johnson criticize someone for being loud, crude, blustery and Texan.
Once again, this is factually untrue, and we need not look further than the immutable words of God captured in the Koran, Islam’s Holy Scripture, which absolutely forbids any and all compulsion in matters of religion. Muhammad is repeatedly instructed in the Koran that he has no authority to compel or to be a warder over people. I have dedicated an entire chapter in my new book, Demystifying Islam: Tackling the Tough Questions, to the careful study of the concept of jihad.
Indeed, the Qur’an forbids compulsion in religion, but what does that have to do with 9/11 or the fact that 9/11 was a jihad attack? Zafar ignores (of course) the fact that the Qur’an tells Muslims to fight not in order to convert non-Muslims, but to subjugate them under the rule of Islamic law: “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” (9:29)
So let’s have an honest and intellectual dialogue about Islam and all of its concepts, such as jihad.
I’m all for that. But my efforts to engage Zafar, Rashid and others in honest intellectual dialogue about Islam and jihad have been met with rudeness, arrogance, contempt, smears, and defamation — making it clear that Zafar and his ilk don’t really want an honest discussion at all; they want to shut down honest discussion.
Do not turn to those who have no qualifications in Islam to learn about the teachings of its faith. Instead of seeing educated and peaceful Muslims as deceitful, why not see us as a much needed resource to understand this religious practice? My fellow Muslims and I are here for an honest dialogue.
No, you aren’t, as past experience has shown again and again. And I will stop seeing you as deceitful when you stop being deceitful.
Champ says
Never. Trust. A. muslim > PERIOD
Geoarrge says
Are these Ahmadis winning any breaks for their brethren in the Middle East by running interference for Islamic supremacism abroad?
RodSerling says
Boko Haram captures, enslaves, and rapes hundreds of schoolgirls, threatens to sell them off.
The West: Let’s save the girls!
Muslim apologists in the West: Let’s save Islam!
Salah says
I love it when Muslim leaders try to defend Islam.
For the first time in history Islam is on the defensive. The Beast is slowly but surely dying.
A dying beast is always loud and dangerous, nevertheless, it is dying.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/dying-islam-lislam-mourant.html
Uzoozy says
Islam will never fail, its the fatest growing religion in the world.
Keep dreaming , its like a severe toothache which never goes away.
For all the bigotted and Islamphobics good luck
Salah says
“its like a severe toothache which never goes away.”
Did you ever hear about a technique called “EXTRACTION”?
Here’s how it works: The whole tooth is pulled out, nothing is left, certainly not the root!
The root of Islam is Muhammad, its founder. And here’s how we will destroy this rotten root: FROM YOUR OWN BOOKS.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html
VampireJack says
PROVE it’s the fastest growing religion – instead of just quoting the usual fallacy about Islam.
Conversion rates are still damn low. And – it seems – that around two thirds of converts give up the faith after around 3 years, with many only converting while in prison for “privileges and protection” while many others (usually women who marry into a muslim family) give up the faith when they realise that even though they have converted, they are STILL not accepted by their in-laws.
There are more people converting to Christianity than Islam.
Especially in Africa – and China.
Muslims like to claim that their faith is the fastest growing religion – but like most of the stuff that comes out of their mouths, it’s crap.
Muslims ARE becoming more prominent and vocal in the west, due to invasion, ahem – sorry, “immigration”. For now.
But it won’t be long before they are thrown out, Inshallah.
Resentment, and dare I say it – HATRED aimed at muslims, is growing in Europe (I cannot speak for Australian/the Americas), so perhaps the muslims will soon know what REAL discrimination is. Hell, we’ve a history of intolerance, and dealing with the problem, in Europe. And history repeats itself.
I remember a few years back seeing the photographs of the muslims holding the “Europe the REAL holocaust is coming” and it sending a chill down my spine – it was meant as a threat towards US, but sadly I feel that the REAL holocaust IS coming. And it won’t be the kuffar who will be targeted……
Dark days are coming in one regard or another.
Ms Australian says
its NOT the fastest growing religion in the world at all, because numbers muslims ‘like to boast about’ DONT INCLUDE OR ACKNOWLEDGE that the majority of converts leave it, and you have apostates!
Muslim leaders admit with concern there is a groundswell of non belief in the more ‘educated’ and saudi clerics say the ‘educated youth’ are LAUGHING at islam and its teachings/nonsense, so much so they now want the youth to be ‘preprogrammed and punished’! Yep, punished for daring to have the ability to read the ERRORS/NONSENSE in koran, and thinking for themselves, and not accepting being brainwashed and lied to.
Champ says
Islam will never fail …
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Oh please grow a brain islam IS an abysmal failure and on sooo many levels! …and it has been since the beginning. We ain’t buyin’ the garbage that you’re sellin’ so go away.
David says
Islam will never fail? Ha! You Muslims are so worried about it failing you have to kill people that want to leave it!
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDcQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fworld%2F2014%2F05%2F16%2Finternational-outrage-grows-for-sudanese-woman-sentenced-to-death-for-apostasy%2F&ei=OyJ3U5CiDobskAXShIHYAg&usg=AFQjCNFadKFzRu2QXQol3Qe_APzpkoul8A&sig2=ndAJ2AX1OlQ5yyNFqiAXcA
Jaladhi says
>”Keep dreaming , its like a severe toothache which never goes away.”
And you know what we do to the aching tooth – it is yanked out since it cannot be fixed! This is what will happen to Islam!!! Ha, ha,… Then you will see how the fastest growing toothache will also go away – good riddance!!
blitz2b says
Uzoozy, You are a typical delusional Muslim, filled with arrogance and ignorance. Thanks for the analogy of the aching tooth…. Indeed Islam can be likened to ROT in any system. It corrodes and eats from within. But like others have pointed out , and in your ignorance you fail to realize that there is indeed a cure for a persistent tooth ache…. that is to pull the god damned thing out! Plain and simple… It is only a matter of time before even the leftist lapdogs of Islam will get tired of defending this horrid lie… If you are young enough. maybe within your own lifetime you will see the demise of this horrible cult…. Until then you may continue to live in your delusionary fantasy world where everyone is gladly accepting Islam as the truth…. What an idiot!
MarieC says
Islamophobic, hell ya…..and damn proud. Piss on Islam..
gravenimage says
More from Uzoozy wrote:
Islam will never fail, its the fatest growing religion in the world.
Keep dreaming , its (sic) like a severe toothache which never goes away.
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Well, *that* is an odd way for a pious Muslim to describe Islam—I suppose that even a Mohammedan understands that Islam causes pain and disability, and is indicative of rot and disease.
More:
For all the bigotted (sic) and Islamphobics good luck
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Surely we’re “bigotted” and “Islamophobic” for opposing something that even one of its devout votaries describes as a “severe toothache”.
Notice that Uzoozy doesn’t even bother to claim that Islam had nothing to do with 9/11? And why would he—the savage is probably proud of his coreligionists’ bloody savagery. *Ugh*.
Jaladhi says
Muslims are liar to the core!!! So trust them at your own risk – lesson, never trust a Muslim!!
Ahmadis are are totally delusional. In Pakistan, Ahmadis are arrested for “pretending” to be Muslims – I bet this Zafar guy doesn’t know that or he knows that and will never admit it. Pakistan’s only Nobel prize winner in Physics, Abdus Salam was an Ahmadi so he was never given any honor by Paki govt. for winning the prize(as he was not a Muslim). Shall we tell this to Zafar!!
These Ahmadis should think twice before calling themselves Muslims as they are not accepted by them as Muslims!!
Beth says
“I will stop seeing you as deceitful when you stop being deceitful”
Best (and only) response! … everytime they come forth with those same old accusations – while playing the infimous “muslim victim card”
True victims tell – they tell everything. Liars never want to discuss the facts – and the people on the left hand have forgotten that fact.
(“….when you stop being deceitful”)
love it!
Jorge Batista says
You ask what is going on at Fox. If I recall correctly, the Saudis own a significant chunk of it.
Any more questions?
dlbrand says
(# sarcasm alert, for those who need it…)
Jorge, surely you are not suggesting …
Are you unaware, “we” trust Fox. It is, after all, the Media outlet for the Right, features, oftentimes, the honorable Carl Rove, and his ilk.
Add to that, like, on the first day, God made (… let me find that verse … here it is …) “the heavens and the earth.”
“He called the ‘light daytime,’ and the darkness ‘nighttime.’ Together they formed the first day.” (Genesis 1: vs. 1 – 2, Living Bible, Paraphrased.)
Then came the second day, therewith , its additions, and each succeeding day each with its unique respective additions, until the sixth day; “Then God looked over all that he had made, and it was excellent in every way. This ended the sixth day.” (ibid, vs. 31.)
On the seventh day, “God ceased his work,” “blessed the seventh day,” “declared it holy.” (ibid, 2:1.)
Then, on the eight day, God turned on Adam and Eve’ s TV.
Told them, though there were many channels available for them to view, they were commanded to just view, and of course trust, just one; yes, indeed, none other than Fox News—having of course made, Rupert Murdock, and the line-up, earlier that morning, on the eight day.
11B40 says
Greetings:
On the other hand, I don’t seem to remember any Muslim leaders hesitating to link the Crusades to Christianity.
Islam is the millstone. If your plan doesn’t include constraining, undermining, or eradicating Islam, you don’t have a plan. What you have is a hope.
Jay Boo says
It is a little unfair to link Islam with terrorism.
It gives the false impression that terrorism (in general) is just as bad as Islam.
Islam is so much more shameless.
Jay Boo says
Note:
Maybe Dinesh D’Souza was trying to placate his detractors over the ‘2016’ DVD & Movie a few years ago.
If I recall correctly, he was attacked with fury and slander by Left over that movie.
mortimer says
No connection between Islam and terrorism?
“TURHIBUNNA” – Koran 8.60 “Terrorize them”.
Nope. No connection.
No1 says
An Ahmadi, that’s just ridiculous. Al-Qaeda would be as happy to kill him as it would any other infidel.
Will Doohan says
What a great intellectual smackdown.
Robert, you’re my hero.
jude newman says
Fasting growing… rubbish. Thousands leaving islam everyday especially in islamic countries.
They are seeing the fruits of islam up close and see it for what it is, a satanic cult where the members are sadistic, bloodthirsty, satanically possessed murderers. Anyone with a slightest sense of morality wouldn’t wilfully stay in it, that’s why there is a death penalty for leaving.
Mirren10 says
”As a Muslim, I begin by firmly stating, without any hesitation, that September 11 is an integral part of United States history, and the museum absolutely must capture accurately what happened to our nation that day.” (that’s big of you !)
” Part of that narrative is certainly the need to identify Al Qaeda, based on its involvement in the tragedy.”
What an unbelievably **weaselly** turn of phrase ! ‘involvement’ ??!! They **did** it ! ‘tragedy’ ??!! It was no ‘tragedy’, it was the **deliberate mass-murder of over 3,000 people in the name of islam** !!
”Politically motivated radicals who commit these atrocities use their faith to glorify themselves and claim a higher meaning or purpose for what they are about to do, and that is a problem that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has been tackling for over a century while at the front lines of fighting extremism; it’s in our DNA. Our global leader, His Holiness the Khalifa of Islam, fights extremism every week by condemning barbaric acts committed in the name of Islam”
Why doesn’t it occur to this repulsive fool that islam is the only religion in the world today that harbours ‘extremists’, and why doesn’t he question what he actually admits himself; ” that is a problem that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has been tackling for **over a century while at the front lines of fighting extremism”** (my emphasis: Mirren)
Have Christians, or Buddhists, or any other religion you care to name, had to be at the front lines of fighting extremism for over a century ? No. **How** I wonder why that is !
”It amazes me that 12 1/2 years after 9/11, someone can claim with a straight face that Islam is truly to blame for these atrocities”
It ‘amazes’ him. Dear God. All over the **world**, in different countries, mohammedans who perpetrate murder, atrocities of all kinds, claim justification in **islam**. There is something radically wrong with a ‘religion’ that allows itself to be ‘misinterpreted’, so many times, by so many people !
”The same man who argued that we must separate Jesus from “the historical injustices perpetrated in the name of Christianity” now makes the patently absurd claim that Muhammad and the religion of Islam are to blame for injustices perpetrated in the name of Islam.”
What utter **crap**. ‘Historical injustices perpetrated in the name of Christianity’ were perpetrated by people who **went against the tenets of Christianity**.
” … the patently absurd claim that Muhammad and the religion of Islam are to blame for injustices perpetrated in the name of Islam.”
What’s ‘absurd’, is this moron’s inability (or refusal) to see that atrocities perpetrated by mohammedans are committed **because the tenets of islam permit, and even order them**.
” … Muslim positions for freedom, education, liberty, peace and women’s rights” What positions ? Where ? By whom ? Let’s have chapter and verse, and some sources. And if these ‘positions’ do, in fact exist, are they for **all** human beings, or only mohammedans ?
”Do not turn to those who have no qualifications in Islam to learn about the teachings of its faith”
Yet again, the tired and utterly stupid canard that only those with ‘qualifications in islam’ are able to read the Koran, hadith, the life of mohammed, and come to an intelligent and logical conclusion about what islam actually teaches. I’m surprised he didn’t say you can’t understand islam if you can’t understand Arabic.
And even if one was illiterate, but possessed the faculties of hearing and sight, all one needs to do is watch and listen to the news, to see and hear what is being perpetrated by mohammedans, all over the world, every day, against non-mohammedans, and those mohammedans deemed insufficiently Islamic. ( Which would include this Ahmadi moron !)
islam is as islam does, and as its texts and tenets order its adherents to do.
And only a **century** !! islam has been ‘extremist’ since the vile mohammed decided to invent a ‘religion’ that would give him power, booty, and carte blanche to rape, murder, and torture.
Champ ♥ says
Great comment, Mirren10! …as always, xo 🙂
Mirren10 says
Thanks, dear Champ ! I hope you and yours are all well. xo 🙂
gravenimage says
Great post, Mirren.
bill says
Excellently put Mirren 10
‘acts of violence, death and terrorism are consistent with the religion of Islam’.
Yes, because Islam was founded on these acts and was spread throughout the then known world by them.
Walter Sieruk says
Those Muslims who object linking 9/11 with Islam need to wake up to reality. For the Islamic terrorists who were al Qaeda member weren’t inspired to commit all that murderous evil on Septermer 11, 2001 by the teachings of Buddidm. They were deluded, diven and inspired to do those heinous actions by the teaching if the the Quran with its militant jihadism of Islam, Sura 2:216. 9:111,112. 47:4. In fact the other name for al Qaeda is “The World Islamic Front for the Jihad against the Jews and Crusaders.”
PRCS says
The real problem with Zafar is that none of those who interview him seem to know anything about Islam and therefore don’t seem to know when they’re being BS’d. But the responses, by clueless “journalists”, to his half-truths and outright lies are not unique.
Megyn Kelly, and others, have access to all the research they need to tell him he’s full of crap, or to challenge what he’s saying (as when he denied that 4 Muslim men witnesses are required to prove a victims claim of rape vs the punishable act of adultery)
And none of them, to the best of my knowledge, has ever pointed out what would happen to him in Pakistan.
During Hannity’s hour long special on “The rise of “radical” Islam”, not one of those subject matter experts bothered to tell him that there is no such thing as radical Islam.
I can only imagine the look on his face had any one of them done that.
Until journalists and politicians tell the truth about Islam’s teachings, the general American will get their info from the likes of Zafar and Jasser.
Ever wonder what, exactly, Jasser is trying to “reform”?
gravenimage says
Muslim leader decries 9/11 Museum for linking Islam with terrorism, ignores fact that jihadist hijackers made that link
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Actually, the big problem is that so *few* are making any sort of link. Two days a go there was a big feature on KCBS with interviews and out-takes from the president’s speech, and *no on* mentioned Islam at all—or even “Islamic extremism”, or “Al Qaida”, or even “terrorists”.
If I hadn’t known what 9/11 was, I would have been rather mystified—a bad storm? A plane crash? An earthquake? A particularly bad outbreak of e-Coli? Really, I never even would have guessed it was any sort of “man caused disaster”.
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As a Muslim, I begin by firmly stating, without any hesitation, that September 11 is an integral part of United States history…
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What the heck *does that mean*? Notice he doesn’t actually say that he considers it a bad thing in any way—might it be an “integral part of United States history” rather like the erection of the Statue of Liberty or the opening of the Transcontinental Railroad? Hmmmmmm….
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…Part of that narrative is certainly the need to identify Al Qaeda, based on its involvement in the tragedy.
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Like Mirren, I am just livid over this. “Involvement”? That’s like saying the Japanese were “involved” with the bombing of Pearl Harbor, or the Nazis were “involved” with the Holocaust.
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What has caused pause for many Muslims and non-Muslims, though, is when acts are labeled as Islamic, Islamist or with Islamic Arabic terms like jihad – for the use of such terms implies that acts of violence, death and terrorism are consistent with the religion of Islam. The purpose of the museum is to capture the facts of history, and a large body of people believes the use of these terms in the film is not adequately nuanced.
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And what is this “large body of people”? Why, the very same ones who were “involved” in 9/11 in the first place—pious Muslims…
And notice—Muslims used to take issue if something negative were said about Islam—now they issue if anyone dares say anything bad about*the Taliban* or *Al-Qaida*. Good God…
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Of course, such words are indeed only words. They are by no means as harmful to the image of Islam as the acts of violence committed by extremists in various parts of the world, all of whom claim adherence to the religion of Islam.
So, as a Muslim, not only do I take exception with indiscriminate violence and murder being labeled “Islamic,” “Islamist” or “jihad,” more importantly I take greater offense to the militant perversion of Islam espoused by lunatics claiming justification within my faith.
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Izzat so? Then I’ll be waiting for Zafar to take this up with his orthodox coreligionists. I won’t be holding my breath, though…
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…that is a problem that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has been tackling for over a century while at the front lines of fighting extremism; it’s in our DNA…
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Because Ahmadis don’t believe in waging violent Jihad (although they do believe in imposing brutal Shari’ah law), they have been oppressed, brutalized, and murdered by their savage coreligionists.
Despite this, what they mostly do in the West is carry water for Islam. They are much more intent of spreading Islam than even caring where it would leave them—given that they are considered “heretics” and “non-Muslims”.
In fact, the only place that they can freely practice their faith *is in Dar-al-Harb*—but that doesn’t prevent them for shilling for Islam, as here.
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People like Dinesh D’Souza, however, overtly and deliberately go so far as to blame the religion of Islam itself as the single motivating factor behind terrorist acts. It amazes me that 12 1/2 years after 9/11, someone can claim with a straight face that Islam is truly to blame for these atrocities.
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Good God, what gall. Right now, the tally of Jihad attacks all over the world just since 9/11 stands at a horrifying 22,975—almost 23,000–*all* done in the baleful name of Islam.
I’m just amazed that anyone 12 1/2 years after 9/11 can claim with a straight face that this has nothing to do with Islam. It is just sickening that people like Zafar assumes that clueless or “politically correct” Infidels will quietly let him get away with it.
blitz2b says
The hypocritical motto of the Ahamadiyas ” Love for all, hatred for none” has absolutely no bearing in either the Koran, hadiths or the Sira of the prophet. All of these contain injunctions that are in fact quite contradictory to this Ahmadiya concoction of a blatant lie, that trends to whitewash and sugarcoat the ‘poopiness’ of Islam for western consumption…. Unfortunately it is working great in their favor… Good help us all.