Sunnis consider Ahmadis heretics, and thus lawfully killed under Islamic law. For years now we have called attention to the persecution of Ahmadis by Sunni Muslims in Pakistan and Indonesia. There has been little international attention given to this ongoing low-level persecution, because, after all, it isn’t an outbreak of “Islamophobia” — now that would be news. Even worse, Ahmadi spokesmen in the West such as Qasim Rashid and Harris Zafar eagerly cooperate with the same forces that persecute them in those two countries, and vilify and libel those of us who have spoken out for the Ahmadis all these years. Do they think they will win better treatment for their people if they collaborate with their oppressors?
“UPDATE 1-American doctor shot dead in Pakistan in suspected sectarian attack,” by Katherine Houreld, Reuters, May 26, 2014:
May 26 (Reuters) – An American volunteer cardiologist was shot dead in Pakistan on Monday, a member of his minority Ahmadi community said, the latest attack on a group which says it is Muslim but whose religion is rejected by the state.
Mehdi Ali had taken his five-year-old son and a cousin to a graveyard in Punjab province at dawn to pray when he was shot, said Salim ud Din, a spokesman for the Ahmadi community.
“He came here just one or two days ago to work at our heart hospital, to serve humanity and for his country,” Din said. “Two persons came on motorbikes. They shot 11 bullets in him.”
Ali was born in Pakistan but moved abroad in 1996. He had returned to do voluntary work at a state-of-the-art heart hospital built by the Ahmadi community in the eastern town of Rabwah.
Ali, 51, moved to Columbus, Ohio, in the United States, where he founded an Ahmadi centre and raised funds for medical charities in Pakistan, Din said.
He is survived by a wife and three young sons, Din said.
The U.S. embassy said it was providing consular assistance but declined to give further details.
“We express our deepest condolences to his family and friends,” the embassy spokeswoman said.
The Ahmadis believe there was a Prophet after Mohammed. Pakistani law says they are not Muslims, although Ahmadis insist that they are.
Ahmadis have often been jailed or lynched for blasphemy for things such as offering Islamic prayers or reading the Koran.
Ali’s killing follows the fatal shooting of a 65-year-old Ahmadi man last week. A teenage gunman killed Khalil Ahmad in police custody after the grandfather was arrested on blasphemy charges for objecting to stickers denouncing his religion.
Blasphemy carries the death penalty in Pakistan and cases against both religious minorities and Muslims are rising.
Some mullahs promise that killing Ahmadis earns a place in heaven and give out leaflets listing their home addresses. Few attacks are ever solved even when the victims can identify their attackers….
John C. Barile says
Islam places a target sign upon anyone who isn’t Muslim enough.
Anon says
I’m a bit stupified. Whilst the subject of religion is discussed on a frequent basis, it is generally misunderstood. As an Ahmadi, I believe we ARE muslims, a belief which is against the popular belief of so called ‘scholars’.
The scholars shall be the worst creatures under the sun – Muhammad SAW.
This saying refers to modern day (majority) Muslim scholars, such as the leader of the Khatume Nabuwwat group. (Who was shot dead)
Please, stop being so ignorant and go on alislam.org if you know so much about us.
And if Islam is a cult, which religion is it based from?
Thank you. 🙂
islamisdeath says
islam IS death
Champ says
Hear, hear!
mortimer says
Islam is the ONLY religion that makes self-defense punishable by DEATH.
A kafir is considered to be ‘resisting arrest’ by the Islamic world police. Resisting subjugation is a heinous crime in Islam. Kafirs who dare to resist should be ‘murdered’ so as to make them an example to anyone else who thinks of resisting the master race of Arabian supermen.
Champ says
Some mullahs promise that killing Ahmadis earns a place in heaven and give out leaflets listing their home addresses. — headline
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Those of us with our common sense still intact *know* that this is a lie …so how far does someone have to fall to believe in such evil nonsense?
harbidoll says
so far down it looks like UP to them
Jaladhi says
Ahmadis should get out of this murderous cult. When Muslims don’t accept them as Muslims, why they do they still insists on being called Muslims?? Leave that cult and be free and join whatever religion accepts them!!
bobm says
murderous cult.. now that would be islam!?…YES?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Sunnis consider Ahmadis heretics.
The Sunnis are right, because Ahmadis *are* heretics. And, as far as murdering apostates, well, the Sunnis are right about that, too. They did the right thing here.
That’s the book talking, not me. That’s the Holy Ko-Ran.
On a side note, how low are the aspirations of the Ahmadiyya that they would stoop so low as to being called impure for reading the book? We’re talking Limbo Rock low here, so sympathy should be in short supply.
Wellington says
Another example of “Islamic dialogue.”
Ah, this religion is so sick. Sick to its very core. Are you gettin’ this all you so-called moderate Muslims out there?
Of course you aren’t; you wouldn’t remain Muslim if you did.
You think you’re in the clear. No you’re not. The guilt is on your collective hands too. Big time.
mortimer says
The ‘sickness’ is enshrined in Sharia law. Often the ‘sickness’ is expressed by silence even more than by the actual words. There is no punishment prescribed for the execution of apostates or heretics or for the murder of one’s own children or grandchildren.
Virtually anyone may be murdered under Sharia law, and the murder will have no punishment, as long as he can prove the victim was an apostate, blasphemer or ‘enemy of Islam’. I imagine Sharia courts are VERY lenient in their interpretation of ‘blasphemy’ or ‘apostasy’.
bobm says
two Satanist killers hotfootin it on the highway to hell.
Concerned says
Religion, be it Muslim, Jew, Hindu Christian…whatever…IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!
If we can convince people there is no god to be afraid of we can take a giant stride forward in creating a peaceful world.
KILL GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Salah says
JW commenters, please don’t waste your time replying to this garbage.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
You’re right. Equivalency is an ugly thing, but it’s easy intellectually and safe legally and politically. So I’ll take your advice and not respond, even though I am CONCERNED, if you get my joke.
Uri says
Tell it to the muhammadans
gravenimage says
Concerned wrote:
Religion, be it Muslim, Jew, Hindu Christian…whatever…IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!
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What witless moral equivalence. It was Jews, Hindus, or Christians who murdered this doctor, but pious Muslims.
More:
If we can convince people there is no god to be afraid of we can take a giant stride forward in creating a peaceful world.
KILL GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Actually, except for Islam, the bloodiest creeds of the past hundred years—Fascism, Communism–Stalinism, Maoism, the bloody depredations of Pol Pot–were all atheist creeds.
I am *not* saying that atheism is in and of itself violent—it is not—and there are many decent agnostic and atheist Anti-Jihadists here.
But to hold that atheism ipso facto represents “a giant stride forward in creating a peaceful world” is hardly born out by history.
gravenimage says
Of course, I meant “It was *not* Jews, Hindus, or Christians who murdered this doctor, but pious Muslims.”
Tahmineh says
You are so very right. But the 3 worst are the abrahamic religions. They all have violence against others built into scripture, be it slavery; misogyny; murder for imaginary crimes such as atheism, apostasy, eating shellfish, working on the sabbath, homosexuality (for men only), wearing clothes of mixed fibers; punishment for women who braid their hair or don’t cover their hair with a scarf; taking women and girls as sex slaves and forcing them into marriage; pedophilia how-to guide in the Torah… the list goes on.
Now to all of you screaming that I’m a liar and trying to claim that Christianity and Judaism aren’t like that, I say this: go read your holy books. The whole books, not just the parts your leaders want you to read. And look at the behavior of believers over the centuries because of these scriptures. I’m right.
gravenimage says
Tahmineh wrote:
You are so very right. But the 3 worst are the abrahamic religions. They all have violence against others built into scripture…wearing clothes of mixed fibers…
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*More* brainless moral equivalence.
Yeah—next time Jews and Christians go after someone for wearing a cotton-synthetic blend, I’ll be concerned.
And it’s not as though Muslims make women wear headscarves, sacralize pedophilia, and slaughter Infidels, all based on their scriptures..oh, wait…yes they do.
It is not Jews and Christians who are oppressing and brutalizing people on the basis of scripture. But this is the norm under Islamic law. By their fruits you shall know them.
mortimer says
Concerned,
Don’t give us that moral relativism BS! It’s extremely shallow. There is a SUBSTANTIVE difference between Islam which mandates WARFARE UNTIL VICTORY against DISBELIEVERS and religions which mandate we lover our neighbors as ourself!
HOW DARE YOU BE SO NON-INTELLECTUAL!
Nietzsche declared, ““God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us?”
The murder of God will prove to great for you as well.
citycat says
Kill god?
It would be easier to kill a real god than the billions of Gods that exist in the billions of minds.
But good luck all the same.
Concerned says
Mortimer..WTF? Don’t play philosophy games. It’s simple. There is no god. Science points us to the truth, not Nietzsche et al…
Citycat…yes kill god, and the only way to do that is with truth/education.
And that is the only way we will win the war against islam.
Show religion to be what it is…a cuddly blanket for our ancestors because they knew so little about the universe that created them..
Cheers.
CogitoErgoSum says
So………the purpose of my life should be to kill God………who is either the most powerful force in the universe or just a figment of my imagination who does not exist in the first place? That is the meaning of life? I’ll add that one to my list of options……for going insane. Ooops……sorry, I already have too many other options already…..but I have ruled out Islam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
Champ ✿ says
No God. No morality. So killing God is not the solution and would only create more problems. And your wacky comments show just how important God is, since they demonstrate very clouded judgment. So stick to the “truth” by focusing on the real enemy: islam.
Besides, you will never convince *everyone* that there is no God–talk about an act of futility. We are better off sticking to a plan that actually works: educating people about the horrors of islam so that their eyes would be opened to the “truth”.
Charli Main says
“educating people about the horrors of Islam so that their eyes would be opened to the “truth” ”
Very sensible and logical suggestion. Only problem being, that trying to educate people to the ” horrors of Islam ” in Britain, would lead to you immediate arrest and imprisonment for ” inciting religious and racial hatred”
Even quoting the likes of Winston Churchill is no longer possible without being arrested.
Of course, Muslims demonstrating on British streets waving banners with messages such as– “kill all infidels” ” behead those that insult the prophet” “Sharia for Britain” and ” Islam will rule the World” are all perfectly legal expressions of democracy and freedom of speech and do not incur the attentions of the British police.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
. It’s simple. There is no god. Science points us to the truth, not Nietzsche et al…
May we see the peer reviewed scientific proof that there is not God? Or is this like anthropogenic global warming, more of an amateur science thing?
Salah says
“Ahmadis have often been jailed or lynched for blasphemy for things such as offering Islamic prayers or reading the Koran.”
Indonesia: Savage beating of people (ahmadis) by Muslims who feel Islam was insulted (extreme violence)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2011/02/indonesia-lynching.html
Fudge says
Makes my day when koranimals kill each other.
Rezali Mehil says
Hi,
First of all let me say it is ridiculous that the man was killed. The problem here is that the Sunni (Listening) have a tradition of passing information via story and the audience LISTEN…and pass it on.
They do not like things written down …and are not well educated people….but have the backing of the state.
“The Ahmadis believe there was a Prophet after Mohammed. Pakistani law says they are not Muslims, although Ahmadis insist that they are”. Their “religion” is rejected by the state.
How is there as way forward here…well their Ahmadi prophet used the British to protect him and promote his BS…He said he was a mix of Jesus, Krishna and Muhammad SAW.and they have lineage…the latest cowboy himself does not live in Pakistan ….and leaves his followers to take the heat?
So if he was a mix of Islam, Hinduism and Christianity…why is he always only pushing Islam….that just shows you his falseness.
The solution is to allow Shia to take ruling of Pakistan …and show the Sunni how it should be done ….these buggers are too ego driven though….
On JW support the Shia where possible …that should be your number 1 choice to move Islam forward.
More Later…
Rezali
Uri says
Shia smell like shit
CogitoErgoSum says
Rezali, or…..you could go along with the theory that every human being has a brain of his/her own and each one of us is entitled to use his/her own unique and individual brain to think whatever thoughts he/she wishes to think and to come to his/her own individual conclusions about the purpose and meaning of life. That’s what makes human beings special among the other forms of life on this planet. We seem to be the only creatures who can ponder our own existence and our own mortality. Islam is only one of a large number of theories for explaining the reason why we are here. I’m for allowing others to learn about and choose which theory they prefer best. Your theory called Islam is for killing or suppressing anybody who doesn’t think the way Muhammad thought. I think that is just stupid.
gravenimage says
The appalling Rezali Mehil wrote:
Hi,
First of all let me say it is ridiculous that the man was killed.
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As Mirren notes, the vile Rezali Mehil just rather cryptically says it was “ridiculous” that this man was murdered—not that it was actually wrong:
More:
The problem here is that the Sunni (Listening) have a tradition of passing information via story and the audience LISTEN…and pass it on.
They do not like things written down …and are not well educated people….but have the backing of the state.
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This has nothing to do with how the information about a vulnerable “heretic” was passed around—but that it was passed around to begin with.
Rezali Mehil would have you believe that oppressing “heretical” Muslims is exclusively a Sunni thing—but it is not.
There are few Ahmadi in Iran—but there is a significant population of Baha’i. The Baha’i faith in fact, was founded there.
Like the Ahmadi, they have a prophet after Muhammed—and they are oppressed and brutalized in just the same way that the Ahmadi are.
“The oppression of Bahais continues in Iran”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-oppression-of-bahais-continues-in-iran/2013/11/12/4b5dcf34-4b0f-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_story.html
More:
“The Ahmadis believe there was a Prophet after Mohammed. Pakistani law says they are not Muslims, although Ahmadis insist that they are”. Their “religion” is rejected by the state.
How is there as way forward here…well their Ahmadi prophet used the British to protect him and promote his BS…He said he was a mix of Jesus, Krishna and Muhammad SAW.and they have lineage…the latest cowboy himself does not live in Pakistan ….and leaves his followers to take the heat?
So if he was a mix of Islam, Hinduism and Christianity…why is he always only pushing Islam….that just shows you his falseness.
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I think we get a glimpse here of *exactly* how Rezali Mehil regards the Ahmadi—and it is no different from the Sunni.
Interesting, too, that she would complain about the British protecting the Ahmadi, since Rezali Mehil’s *own family* fled to Britain to escape persecution from her dominant Sunni coreligionists.
But this is par for the course for Mohammedans—they never learn compassion, but just yearn to dominate and oppress others.
More:
The solution is to allow Shia to take ruling of Pakistan …and show the Sunni how it should be done ….these buggers are too ego driven though….
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Just hilarious. Pakistan may have the second largest Shia population in the world, but they are still only 5-20% of the population—at the lower estimate, this is just twice the population of Ahmadi there.
Who, exactly, would hand Pakistan over to the Shi’ites? Certainly not the Sunni majority, who regard the Shia as almost as heretical as the Ahmadi.
More:
On JW support the Shia where possible …that should be your number 1 choice to move Islam forward.
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Why the hell would anyone here want to “move Islam forward”? Besides, Islam—of whatever sect—is utterly backward and barbaric. It cannot be “moved forward”.
What this Muslimah means, of course, it that she wants to see her own “brand” of Islam dominant—and if she can get the foolish Infidels to help her in that regard, she is only too happy to exploit them. *Ugh*.
vickie says
LOL!! Rezali Mehil you did it again!! “move Islam forward”!! Right away I picture forward from 700 AD to 800 AD. You are a hoot.
Thank you again for your humor!!
Mirren10 says
I agree with you Vickie ! 🙂
Old rezali is unintentionally hilarious, and also mixes his amusing stupidities with malevolent little squibs which are very instructive as to the mindset of mohammedans in general.
Eg:
”First of all let me say it is ridiculous that the man was killed.”
Only a mohammedan would use the word ‘ridiculous’ to describe the cold blooded murder of a man in front of his children.
XYZ says
brilliant kill each other.. wish that was all they did though
Jay says
I am sorry for his family’s loss. He did what he thought was the right thing to do, but when you come to the U.S. and you take an oath its not just words you should be embracing this country as YOUR country. So many come to the U.S. and do this in terms of going through the motions while considering their country to be somewhere else in the world. Had this benevolent cardiologist taken that tact he would find plenty of worthy causes within the U.S. he could volunteer his skills for. You even took your children to a known hazard zone like Pakistan for Americans? Pakistan has many within it that hate Americans and don’t really care if you immigrated or were born American its all one in the same to them. It could also be that he was targeted for being an American not just an Ahmadi or maybe both either way as an American its a good idea to stay in the U.S. or at least if going abroad stay in friendly countries to Americans.
PRCS says
I just saw this reported on Fox News’ “Happening Now” program.
Not ONE word about Islam, Muslims, the schism between Ahmadi Muslims and other ROP followers.
Nothing.
Not a thing.
Wellington says
“Concerned” and “Rezali Mehil” form, in microcosm, the twin metaphorical problem of our time, i.e., the badly-formed bookends which don’t hold up books at all but rather crush them by their excessive weight. Put another way, and devoid of metaphor, too little religion is as much of a curse to mankind as too much.
After all, so much of life (rather like the law, or drinking fine alchohol, or exercise, or sex, or eating, or sleep, or…, or…) is getting things “just right,” a knife edge to be walked with the skill of a mountain goat. So much of a successful life is wrapped up with developing this skill.
I submit to all that vehement antipathy to all religion or enthrallment with a deeply warped religion is, to put it mildly, not the way to go in either case. In fact, with either of these two extreme routes taken, man is eventually led to a dead end, suffocating in a terrestrial vomit like no other.
If I know anything, I know this: The “Concerneds” of the world and the “Rezali Mehils” of the world are both routes to nowhere—–likely even to chaos. And the chances they will ever learn are quite minimal. So it is best to ignore them (though mocking them occasionally I would encourage), all the while trying to figure out life from a more nuanced perspective. Hatred of all religion or acceptance of Islam, I would argue, will never provide you with such a perspective. Seek a third route.