And he said that the guards were “powerless” to stop him. That is, of course, true. He was just converting prisoners to Islam — something they wouldn’t have dreamed of trying to stop, as to have done so would have been “Islamophobic.” The insuperable problem they have created for themselves is that the “extremist” Islam that Jamal Uddin preaches is not different in any way they can discern or articulate from the “moderate” version they find acceptable. So they kept moving him to different prisons, which was about as effective as giving someone who has lost a limb a band-aid.
“It’s easy to recruit extremists in prison, notorious convert claims,” Telegraph, May 12, 2014:
A white Muslim extremist jailed for trying to bring Sharia law to the streets of London has boasted of the ease with which he has been able to convert dangerous criminals to radical Islam inside prison.
Jordan Horner, himself a convert, who has taken the name Jamaal Uddin, claimed the prison authorities had been forced to transfer him four times after he began persuading fellow inmates to follow his extreme version of Islam.
He was jailed for terrorising locals in east London as part of the so called Muslim Patrol, which claimed it was forcing the imposition of Sharia Law in the area.
In December 2012, at a protest outside St Paul’s cathedral Horner was filmed alongside Michael Adebowale who five months later murdered soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich.
Since his release in February this year, Horner has also became the first person to be placed on a five year, landmark anti-social behaviour order, intended to stop him promoting extreme versions of Islam.
But he said he found prison a fertile recruiting ground for young men interested in joining his cause and said the guards were “powerless” to prevent his activities.
Speaking to the BBC’s Panorama programme, he said: “The prison officers witnessed people become Muslim and in front of them I was giving them what we call Shahada, an invitation and acceptance of Islam.
“They was becoming Muslim in front of the prison officers and they felt sort of powerless. They said I was trying to divide Muslims from non Muslims, trying to get them to follow an extreme version of Islam.”
Horner said the authorities moved him regularly, but he was able to continue his conversions wherever he was sent.
He said: “In Tameside a lot of people became Muslim. Then in Glen Parva they restricted me a lot but I still spoke to people about Islam.
“They didn’t like that. They sent me down back to Feltham. When another individual on the wing became Muslim they moved me to another wing on the basis that I had forced them to become Muslim.”
Horner’s claims come as the head of the prison and probation service has warned that the threat of Islamic radicalisation in jail is on the increase.
Michael Spurr, Chief Executive of the National Offender Management Service of England and Wales said: “There is a significant risk, given the fact that we manage some very dangerous people. Our job is to minimise that risk becoming a reality, that somebody in prison becomes radicalised and commits a terrorist offence.”
Over the last ten years the number of Muslims in prisons in England and Wales has doubled to nearly 12,000, with at least 100 Islamist terrorists behinds bars.
faboutlaws says
They don’t have solitary confinement in the UK? No contact, no conversions.
PJG says
The more prisons they move him to, the more jihadists he can recruit. Clever move, Britain.
DVult says
I wonder what this guy could be saying to people which would cause them to convert? If the other prisoners are so easily persuaded, couldn’t someone persuade them not to be criminals?
mortimer says
Islam validates criminality. Mohammed recruited bands of thieves to assist him in raiding, then he converted them with promises of even more booty. They did not abandon crime as a way of life…they merely justified it with Mohammed’s savage revelations. Islam appeals to the criminal mind.
Charli Main says
Exactly, Mortimer
Islam is the ONLY ” religion” that rewards you for looting, raping, murdering and abusing little girls.
The closer “good Muslims” can get to emulating their insane, psychopathic ” prophet ” Mohammed, the higher the regard their compatriots have for them.
DVult says
That is all very likely true but I still would like to know exactly what this guy is telling people that is so persuasive.
mortimer says
British Leftists thought they could ride the Muslim tiger. Now the tiger is biting them. They do not know what to do. They are trying to calm those being bitten, but that gives the tiger more appetite.
No Fear says
He took an Arabic name when he converted. LOL.
Salah says
Yes, he did, and a very appropriate one too! (sarc/off)
“Jamaal Uddin”: arabic for “The Beauty of the Religion”
Aion says
No one can argue any longer that Muslims do not come from a criminal background when they prey on people in prison. Even without everything else, this justifies treating them all as criminals.
Mohammed's pink swastika says
I’d really like to do some Muslim outreach on that douche nozzle and punch him right in the gob.
Bill says
Europe is eventually going to be Islamic. Liberal secularism will be swallowed up by the beast. Compromise with Islam is impossible. It’s either Muslims are a powerless and compliant small minority or they will tirelessly work to impose their system on everyone.
Owen Morgan says
There is nothing new about this, unfortunately. Islam has been recruiting in prisons for ages, just as much in the US as in the UK. It’s not particularly surprising that jihadists specifically also find fertile ground for recruitment in prisons; they are looking for killers, psychopaths, thugs, murderous fantasists – a gaol is a pretty obvious place to start.
Muslims undoubtedly contribute disproportionately to the amount of crime in the UK and the truth is that not enough of them are in prison. Time and again, police forces, up and down the country, are turning a blind eye to very serious offences committed by muslims, especially when the religion of the perpetrators is a significant element, i.e. against obviously Christian/Jewish/Hindu targets.
You can say that imprisoning muslims is counter-productive, if they are just going to get extra-converted to jihadism, but taking them off the streets – anyone’s streets – is useful and, once they are in the criminal justice system, they can, at least, be tracked thereafter.
Peter Buckley says
It’s on BBC tonight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0444flh
Shocker: ” The Muslim prison population in England and Wales has doubled in the past ten years to nearly one in seven inmates. This rise is five times faster than the increase in the overall jail population.” No kidding.
Muhammad: “Muslims will be the scum and the rubbish even though their numbers may increase; the enemy will not fear Muslims anymore. This will be because the Muslims will love world and dislike death…(Abu Dawud, 37.4284)
Jeff says
Islam – the religion where criminals are actually observers of their faith while committing heinous crimes.
NBT Films says
Look at this guy! He’s a ‘village idiot’. Jimmy Jihad is nothing but an attention whore who knew at an early age that due to his low I.Q, the mainstream British way of life would leave him redundant, unskilled and unemployable. I blame the education system for not stimulating young minds like Jimmy with thought provoking topics and a greater awareness of foreign political strains and the dangers inherent in some.
Jimmy has taken to Grislam like a pure simpleton, yet unknowing that he’s just a pawn in a sick game of a ‘spartan shouting contest’. Grislamists are nothing but another tired (yet potent) version of the ‘Illnois Nazis (The Blues Brothers reference). The difference is that once he’s served Chaudary’s and his goons purpose, there will be no more use for Jimmy. Only then, will Jimmy be given a nice C4 strapped vest and a guide map to the nearest church or synagogue.
The solution for Jimmy is to lock the village idiot in a cell with no windows, give him a Quran with all the ‘juicy’ stuff taken out and then give him a soap box and a microphone to play with in his teeny tiny cell.
Poor little Jimmy. Such a village idiot.
Watch the ‘The Muslim Agenda’ free of charge at this link:
youtube.com/nbtfilmchannel
Guest says
I’ve noticed this about many islamic frontsmen: often they are so extremely unattractive that maybe their main motivation is sex: they join a cult that basically forces women into their beds, since they have no chance of starting a relationship any normal way.
Peter Buckley says
If anyone missed it, here is the BBC programme from a few weeks back, “My brother the terrorist”, by Rob Leech:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b042m637/My_Brother_the_Terrorist/
duh_swami says
promoting extreme versions of Islam.
Those again? Those ‘radical and extreme ‘versions’ are often referred to but never explained or defined.
Prisons, jails, and institutions took a dramatic turn when social workers, lawyers, social engineers, and community organizers,
flowed in bring every kind of PC idea with them. One of those was freedom of religion for any prisoner interested in it. The correctional officers are more or less powerless to do anything about it.
Angemon says
“Horner said the authorities moved him regularly, but he was able to continue his conversions wherever he was sent.”
So, the best way they could come up with to shut him up was to give him different venues?
*facepalm*
ECAW says
You mean this didn’t work?
“Appropriately recruited Muslim Prison Chaplains are already employed to challenge the extremist views of prisoners and to provide religious direction for Muslim prisoners. Using their experience, they are developing the ‘Ibaana’ [ie “clarify”] programme designed to target the small number of prisoners with the most entrenched extremist views. One-to-one sessions over several hours with a trained chaplain will be used to challenge the theological arguments used by these prisoners to justify their extremist views.”
from:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/263181/ETF_FINAL.pdf
dumbledoresarmy says
From the article you quoted:
“One-to-one sessions over several hours with a trained [Muslim] chaplain will be used to challenge the theological arguments used by these [Muslim] prisoners to justify their extremist views.”
Oh, dear.
One hopes that all such cosy little tete-a-tetes will be video-and-audio *recorded*…**unbeknownst to the Muslim prisoner and his Muslim ‘cleric’ (i.e. gang boss) ”spiritual adviser”**.
pongidae rex says
Islam is the perfect religion for criminals in non-Islamic countries, since it denies the human worth or right to own anything of their intended victims. A criminal robbing/killing/raping non-Muslims is functioning fully within the protection of Islamic scripture. And the state persists is giving Islam full protection as a ‘religion’. Suicidal.
EYESOPEN says
Absolutely, P. Rex!
Geordie says
A jailed agitator friend of convicted murderer Michael Adebowale, uses incarceration to spread his Anglophobic filth. Why is this permitted?
Because we sit back and let it happen!
We Brits are a tolerant bunch and often forget the huge effect voiced public opinion can have on governments. A lesson the islamists learned decades ago and use very effectively. That said, things are changing as more and more British citizens voice their concerns regarding islamists.
Once again, I urge everyone to write to their MP’s and make their feelings known. This is the time when it will have maximum impact, especially with Conservative and Lib-Dem MP’s thinking about the next election.
Please do not be offensive or insulting as those letters can be legally ignored. Be firm and honest. Name specific individuals who are on record as anti-western preachers, anti-Semites and islamic extremists. Pam and Robert give plenty factual information to make a solid case. If you have served in the armed forces, say so. Make a point of how you served Q&C and now it’s up to the politicians to do their bit on your behalf.
Democracy works, USE IT or LOOSE IT!
Ray Lanfear says
It is very easy for Islam to recruit in our prisons. Also, many front groups for radical Islam are popping up on college campuses. Just Google “theprojectmuslimbrotherhood” the doctrine to destroy America from within, through stealth jihad, lies, and deception. Salam Al Marayati http://www.investigativeproject.org/profile/114
A defender of terrorist acts and the groups that carry them out. Also a instructor at “Bayan Claremont” a college in California that gives degrees in Islamic studies. Just one of many Muslim instructors, that are alleged to have links to terrorist organizations and al Qaeda.. And Imam Suhaib Webb also an instructor that followed Anwar Awlaki (killed by a US drone) What kind of college is this? What are they teaching there. How is this allowed in America? Please comment.
EYESOPEN says
Ray Lanfear asks: “How is this allowed in America?”
Well, Ray, it’s like this. The muzlims are VERY well organized to fight their “stealth jihad”, as Robert Spencer so aptly puts it. The liars in their suits and ties, from organizations like CAIR and MSA (among others), are watching – or having their stooges watch – everything that goes on or is said that in any way “disparages” the Ummah (the global society of muzlims), even if it’s the truth – especially if it is the truth.
They then scream bloody murder (“Islamophobia!”, “Racism!”) to anyone who has any “pull” that can silence those few individuals that are trying to warn Americans of the danger izlam poses to ALL free nations of the West. Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Dr. Bill Warner, Nonie Darwish, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Steven Emerson, Frank Gaffney, P. David Gaubatz, Paul Sperry are all individuals who are high on their “watch” list. (Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller have been denied entry to (not so) Great Britain because this tactic has been so successful over there.
When you combine their “boo hoo”/ “victim” tactics with an administration that appears to openly support the muzlim “brotherhood”, who has filled numerous sensitive security positions with MB aligned goons, “Houston, we have a problem.”
Combine that with a radical left wing in this country who HATES this country, as our Founding Fathers designed it, and wants to tear it down to make their version of “Utopia” – and that includes many in “journalism” (print AND TV media), many in academia, particularly at the college/University level, and many firmly entrenched in bureaucratic positions within government, the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), from whom are picked the “best and the brightest” to serve within the State Department and other places within this administration – who are figuratively (if not literally) in bed with the muzlims from CAIR, MSA, MB, etc., who act as enablers and cheerleaders for the muzzies and their covert plan to “Islamize” the United States, then we have an even BIGGER problem.
And as if all of the above wasn’t bad enough, consider that we have many, many people in the U.S. who have been brainwashed into the idea that “Islam is a religion of peace” – thanks to the past several presidents and their “talking heads” – who refuse to learn about this very real threat to their freedoms. They only see izlam as a “religion”, when in fact izlam is a totalitarian system – just like communism, socialism, naziism or fascism – hiding beneath the thin veneer of a religion; and will attack those few watchmen who are attempting to sound the alarm with epithets like “Islamophobe”, “Racist”, and now the new one: “Hater”.
When you combine all of these problems, is it any wonder why izlam and its proselytizers have made such progress? It is a miracle that those like Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Bill Warner and all of those others still care enough to try to warn the sheeple, as well as the collaborators, of the danger that izlam – as it is written in the quran, the sunna and the haddiths, and as practiced by a sizeable number of muzlims – poses to ALL of the countries of the once “free world”.
Sorry for the lecture, but you asked!
matt burdett says
God i hate that Ginger Knobend
Peter Thomas says
A simple solution would be to house the muzrats seperately in a prison (or prisons) and keep the brits together
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep.
Segregate them. NO contact with non-Muslim prisoners. (From various reports I’ve heard, many non-Muslim prisoners would be mightily relieved, because quite a few actually *don’t* want to be Muslims, and those – those who still have some sort of residual non-Muslim religious faith, and the independent-minded nonreligious ones – that *reject* the “dawa” cop a lot of vile bullying from the mohammedan gangsters).
And, really, make the mohammedan cultists go “cold turkey” from their Death Cult, while they’re “inside”. NO special treatment. No qibla marking, no provision for “ablutions”, no prayer mat, no prayer rooms, no Friday “prayers” with other Muslims, no halal food, shave off their beards and give them a buzz cut and a set of prison clothes. NO Quran – would an imprisoned Nazi agent during WWII have been permitted to have a copy of Mein Kampf in his cell and watch newsreels of Hitler speeches? No access to the internet, period. No visits from the Imam – after all, would you let an imprisoned mafioso get visited by his capo?
Note – depriving mohammedans of imam visits would *not* necessitate depriving non-Muslim prisoners of visits from the representatives of their religion: because one knows for a certainty that a rabbi, a Christian priest or pastor, a Buddhist monk or Hindu or Sikh spiritual adviser will NOT, during his visits, be advising the black sheep of his flock to continue with or make excuses for the stuff they’ve done that has landed them in jug. One *cannot* say the same of the imam, sheikh or mullah.
Give them a cell with a TV screen and a radio speaker feed, each with a button. They either have silence, 24/7, or if they get bored, when they press the button, they get to watch videos of Fr Zakaria Botros and other intelligent Islamocritics – including articulate apostates – discussing Islam, no holds barred. The radio plays Infidel music, wall to wall, religious and profane, all styles. They can turn it off anytime they like…but then…they’re sitting looking at four walls.
If they want books, they get western literary fiction, western non-fiction, and the sacred books of *non-Islamic* religions.
they get their social contact in the exercise yard, *outside* of the times stipulated by Islam as suitable for “prayers”, and when they’re exercising, there are guards with *dogs* present at all times. Because the presence of dogs nullifies Islamic “prayers”. It would put people off any little ‘displays’.
And once the sentence is served, if it isn’t “life”…then DEPORTATION (for non-natives) or EXILE (for the ethnically-British converts like Horner). Basically – turf them out of the lands of the Infidels.
Of course, no Western country is likely to do all of this, anytime soon. But one could, I think, right now, make a start by arguing strongly for *segregation*, and for *no* special treatment, at least.
There have been far too many “jailhouse converts” to Islam, in the US and everywhere else, who have engaged in major crime and/ or acts of attempted jihad terror, as soon as they got out, for there not to be a strong argument for keeping identifiable Muslims away from non-Muslim prisoners.
cliff wade says
Islam Is Tailor Made For Criminals