Abu Waleed speaks frankly about applying Sharia laws of dhimmitude to non-Muslims in Britain. What will the British government do in response? Maybe issue another condemnation of “Islamophobia”?
“British Islamist Abu Waleed: Muslims Should Humiliate Christians in Order to Make Them Convert to Islam,” MEMRI, n.d.:
In a lecture posted on the Internet on January 16, 2014, British Islamist Abu Waleed called to impose humiliating laws on the Christians in order to make them want to convert to Islam. The infidel should have to wear a red belt around his neck in the street and wear two different shoes, among other things, he said. That way, everyone will want to become Muslim, explained Abu Waleed.
Following are excerpts:
Abu Waleed: How many contradictions do the Charter of the United Nations and Islam have?
[…]
We take what Abdullah Ibn Abbas said, because he was a Companion, from the greatest commentators on the Koran. He said to take the jizya poll tax from the People of the Book. This completely contradicts, my dear brothers, the articles of the United Nations [Charter].
Article 2, paragraph 1, says that the organization is based on the principle of sovereignty and equality to all of its members. Equality to all of its members – is there such a thing in Islam? Is there equality of faith?
If we look at one hadith of the Prophet on the authority of Abu Huraira, Sahih Muslim… No Sunni Muslim could really argue against Sahih Muslim or Sahih Bukhari… “The Prophet said: Don’t greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you, and when you meet any of them on the road, force them to go on the narrower side of it.” Imam Malik said the same thing as well.
In fact, Omar Ibn Al-Khattab – about whom the Prophet Muhammad said: “If there were to be another prophet after me, it would be Omar Ibn Al-Khattab”… In his own charter – not the Charter of the United Nations – in his charter with the people of the Levant, the Christians of the Levant, [it is stated] that infidels and Muslims were not allowed to wear the same clothes as one another.
If a Muslim comes out on the day of ‘Eid and sees an infidel with nice clothes, the infidel has to take his clothes off and give them to the Muslim. When an infidel walks down the street, he has to wear a red belt around his neck, he has to have his forehead shaved, and he has to wear two shoes that are different from one another. He is not allowed to walk on the pavement. He has to walk in the middle of the road, and he has to ride on a mule.
This is only for adults, not for the children. You can see how Islam would make the child become a Muslim. The child growing up in a state of heresy would turn to Islam. Why? Because the child would be walking along with his dad, and would say: “Dad?” “Yes.” “Why have you got your forehead shaved?” “I don’t know, these Muslims make me do it.” “Why can’t you ride the animal like the Muslims, who ride like this? Why are you riding with both legs dangling on the side of the donkey?” “Why is it that every time a Muslim comes and asks you for your clothes, you give them?” “Why is it that every time he tells you to get down from the horse, you have to take it?”
No only that, but [Omar Ibn Al-Khattab] said that the infidels can have their churches, but they are not allowed to ring the bell. If a Muslim is walking by… let’s say, for example that a Muslim has been on Edgware Road. He has had some nice shisha, some nice steak… No hubble-bubble – we don’t deal with anything like that. He’s walking along, rubbing his belly, and he’s like: “Oh man, I don’t want to upset my wife tonight.” What can he do? He can go to the church, knock on the door, and say: “John, let me in.” “Okay, no problem.” John has to put up Abd Al-Ghafour for the night. Abd Al-Ghafour, with his big belly, having his nice kebab – John has to open up the church, and [allow him] to go and sleep there, nice and comfortable, and [he will] say: “John, thank you,” and carry on going, early in the morning.
What wife is going to live with John under that type of circumstances? [She would say]: “What kind of dishonor is it for me to live with John, and Abd Al-Ghafour comes every Friday night and sleeps in our be as well?” Of course… Because Sunna is to look after the guest, right? I can’t make you sleep on my floor… and you are a Muslim by the way…. So what about when Abd Al-Ghafour goes to John’s house? [He will say]: “John, sleep on the floor, and I’ll sleep in the bed.”
What’s going to happen? Tracy is going to be on the floor, thinking: “My husband has got his forehead shaved, and look at this one… He’s like Al-Khattab…” Which one is more attractive – we’re not gay, but I’m just saying… – a man with his forehead shaved, one belt around his neck, and two different colored shoes, or Emir Al-Khattab? Emir Al-Khattab, who we’re talking about here now, with that nice Chechen hat, a big beard – a bit to the side… He’s got the badges there: “There is no god but Allah.” He’s got a big gun. He’s got a big camouflage jacket on, nice boots, and gloves as well. Even if he’s got a couple of fingers missing, he still looks attractive.
What is Tracy going to do? John is in for a problem. He just let the Emir in for a kebab, and he lost his own wife as well. So everyone is going to become Muslims. That, my dear brothers, is the Islamic state….
john spielman says
wow, these islamists are our best source for antiislam advertisments
Jay Boo says
This is what happens when scruffy bearded Muslim men get all dressed up in their absolute most favorite man-dress attire.
They get desperate for attention before the wrinkles and day old stink sets in.
rodulfo-tardo says
Gone far enough? or is it time to condemn a religiosity that marginalizes all other true religions? the Judeo-Christians predate these Bedouin Tribes by thousands of years along with Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism and just about every other Semitic Faith system, no one else demands total submission while living in a foreign nation not their own, the “conquest” of the world by “racial-religious-hygiene” has no reason to be even a consideration, other than the vicious techniques it uses, thse should be dealt with the same way they propose to deal with the Judeo-Christian and other religions that believe the choice is an individual privilege not a requirement to stay alive, religious terrorism and political-correctness, the determination to die is by religious choice, either Islamiism or death, either way they amount to the same, unless living in Qatar and Pakistan the smuggle routes for weapons and narcotics allow you to live like a king where these shariaiisms only apply to your slave class, or the suicide bomber, a martyr for Mohammed and his unwilling martyr state.
Curious Teenager says
Muslims must be really thick. Hasn’t it been proven time and time again that Christians are willing to die rather than leave Jesus Christ? Of course its sad that these people are being murdered, but I think that we should be proud that they refuse to give up for the sake of their own sinful lives. Their loyalty to Christ should force us to look at ourselves and really think about what it means to confess Jesus as Lord.
Champ ✞ says
Hasn’t it been proven time and time again that Christians are willing to die rather than leave Jesus Christ?
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Bravo, Curious Teenager!
Boaz says
“Muslims must be really thick”
No, it satisfies (temporarily) their bloodlust.
kikorikid says
Shortly, in the UK, the Shariah Compliance Patrols
will begin carrying out “Punishments” for not
wearing whatever they demand for identification.
A Jew without the Star, in Amsterdam, could get
sent away to a death camp. UK, Prisoners of Islam.
Graham Turner says
Love my enemies. Why should I? They are trying to destroy me. ‘ Turn the other cheek? ‘ These teachings, even by Jesus are nonsensical. Should We have done that with Hitler? Thank goodness there were enough people with enough spine to do the right thing and save us from a totalitarian regime, much like political Islam is
DP111 says
“Love your enemies” does not mean that Christians should go like lambs to the slaughter. What it means is that one can subdue, and if necessary, kill those who intend to do and yours bodily harm, but one should not let rancour and bitterness enter the heart. That is, do not hate your enemies, as hate corrupts the soul.
In the final analysis, judgement is in the hands of God.
weavo2 says
Here we go again. More crap from the idiocy of Islam.
If it wasn’t for Jews, non believers, Christians, gay folks etc., these folks would
not have a life.
Good thing all these groups exist, so clowns such as Abu Waleed can give us
clear and logical reasoning to join the stinking filth that is Islam.
His superior status is clearly evident.
Wellington says
Islam without taqiyya is so refreshing.
gravenimage says
Wellington wrote:
Islam without taqiyya is so refreshing.
……………………..
As repulsive—and dangerous—as Taqiyya is, Wellington, it is a backhanded acknowledgment of Infidel power.
It is when Muslims *are emboldened* that they drop the Taqiyya—so I’m not sure I’d consider this a good sign.
But yes—this *is* grimly instructive for Infidels who are paying attention.
voegelinian says
As repulsive—and dangerous—as Taqiyya is, Wellington, it is a backhanded acknowledgment of Infidel power.
It is when Muslims *are emboldened* that they drop the Taqiyya—so I’m not sure I’d consider this a good sign.
Actually, it’s not an either/or situation. While of course Muslims wouldn’t need to do stealth if they felt powerful enough to just frankly attack & invade on a grand scale (like they did innumerable times in their illustrious history — North Africa, Iberian peninsula, Persia, India, Byzantium, and repeated but ultimately failed attempts to conquer Europe proper), what many people don’t seem to comprehend is that now in this latest phase of their perennial jihad against the West, their stealth actually requiresviolent jihad — the two work in symbiotic cooperation with each other. The only limitation on jihad is that it cannot be massively frank: but it does need to be conducted nonetheless; and serendipitously for the Mohammedans, the less concerted, seemingly unorganized nature of violent jihad (small-scale terror attacks here and there, violence that can seem like unorganized crime, an amorphous hostility in the form of seemingly spontaneous riots or protests bristling with an unspoken sense of death threats, etc.) forced upon them by their relative weakness dovetails perfectly with this symbiosis with stealth.
More directly, the way in which stealth jihad actually requiresviolent jihad is that the deeper infiltration enabled by the former is hastened and reinforced with the West’s unwitting and witless collusion because Westerners are semi-consciously feeling the need to redouble their deference to Muslims all the more — not less as they should if they were rational — after every terror attack. Meanwhile, the deeper infiltration of the stealthy, seemingly benign Muslims is laying the groundwork for more massive terror attacks in the future which could not be pulled off without such deep infiltration into our societies.
bobm says
.. HE (Jesus); will complete the good work He has begun in us…
Guy Macher says
Warning to Mohameddans. Do not dare force me to the side of the road. Do not expect to intimidate me into providing you with kebabs and a bed. Yes, that’s my real name.
jools says
Hear Hear, I would not let him enter a church in the first place let alone share a spouses bed
Alice says
I have a very hard time remaining charitable by praying for my enemies. They are the heart of darkness. I keep trying, although these people believe despicable things.
Boaz says
Alice, our hearts are transformed in our walk with Christ, but it takes time, just like building muscles in the gym. NEVER forget who YOU are in Christ and don’t be despondent. Our Savior understands and will ALWAYS be there for us. He knows we are dealing with the most incorrigible of people. God bless.
“and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.” – Romans 8:17
Louise from Canada says
Me too. But like Our Savior Jesus said, we must pray for our enemies.
eib says
To pray for your enemies is not the same as submitting or surrendering to them.
DP111 says
It is hard to pray for people who openly advocate your murder. But praying that Muslims see the light of Jesus, and turn to Him, is right and proper. One should not allow the demented ravings of fanatic Muslims to embitter us. That way they turn us into a reflection of them.
Pray for Mus;ims, as they are in greater need of prayers then any other large group.
rage against injustice says
“If your enemy is hungry feed him, if your enemy is thirsty give him water, beat hate with love”
The bible teaches us to be kind and to pray for our enemies, but I as a human being find that 99.9% iimpossible to follow, that’s the reason I’m willing to go against God’s teaching to fight this scum out of the earth, just like many revolutionary people have done. And that’s something I as human will take full credit for, I won’t use christianity as an excuse.
The desire of living in peace created wars, and hatred was born to protect love.
gravenimage says
rage against injustice, I don’t believe that you are “going against Gods teaching” by standing against evil at all.
citycat says
It does not look like the Government or the Christians will defend England. It seems that the common infidels will have to save themselves.
Some Christians apologize, some say convert Islam, some know the truth.
The chinese, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists and other religions will have none of Islam because they know it of old.
The truth of Islam has been stifled.
Atheists have awareness because they’re not jammed up with religion.
“We don’t do God” sounds nice.
Boaz says
“Atheists have awareness because they’re not jammed up with religion.”
LOL! Except the religion of Darwinism, of course. It is the PC, Godless Marxist brigade that has aided and abetted islam’s romp into the West.
“We don’t do God” sounds nice.”
Yes, but you have no problem with executing unborn children, or anyone, for that matter, that stands in the way of “utopia”. So nice! Atheists and muslims are beholden to Satan while being completely unaware of it. You couldn’t buy a clue.
“But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” – James 4:6
THAT is why you don’t know Him.
Salah says
Well said, Boaz. God bless you.
bill says
Judaism and Christianity are mythologies and Islam is derived from them so it is also a mythology. Nobody believes in Norse,Greek, Babylonian or Egyptian Mythology today so why should one believe in your mythologies?
Darwinism or more correctly Evolution is not a religion, it is science and has been verified over and over by modern researchers especially by the discovery of the genome.
Science is proved by verifiable evidence which can be repeated in experiments and research. I have been an atheist most of my life (now 78)
Nature also aborts unborn foetuses is that execution also?
duh_swami says
I was more or less with you until this…
Nature also aborts unborn foetuses is that execution also?
Nature is not moral or immoral, it is amoral. Nature kills a lot of people, but it never murders, or executes anyone. That would imply nature thinks and conceptualizes…It doesn’t…
john spielman says
ok Bill : so where did live come from?
if you say from the ” primordial soup” why hasn’t new life forms arisen that don’t use DNA/RNA. (RANDOM CHANCE SHOULD AT LEAST ACHIEVE THAT!)
Jax Tolmen says
@Boaz.
What does any of this have to do with abortion? In case you hadn’t noticed, this is JihadWatch – not ‘ProChoiceWatch’; your comments are ludicrously off topic.
Even though ‘citycat’s comments were insulting and unproductive; id hesitate to say that yours are far worse. You accuse a large, diverse swathe of people as being the reason behind the problems we face today. In case you hadn’t noticed, the enemy is Islam – and regardless of the faith (or lack thereof) of the general populace – Islam would still be the problem.
I know it has been indicated to you already, but Darwinism is not a religion and has no similarities to any kind if religion known to man; unless you also regard science as a religion.
And just FYI – atheists don’t know God because they don’t believe in the idea of a God; it is not down to some misplaced hubris or sense of pride.
You would do well to become more tolerant of other people’s beliefs instead of slandering people purely because they don’t agree with your religion.
Kereru says
Jax Tolmen:
Boaz was correct in saying, in effect, that nature abhors a vacuum. By rejecting the God of the Bible, atheists/secularists have (perhaps inadvertently) created one, thus leaving the way clear for Islam to fill the spiritual void.
You must be dreaming if you imagine that atheism will ever create a Utopian society. It never has, and never can, because of the inherent nature of mankind.
Those who jettison the reality that the Judeo-Christian ethic has been the foundation of Western culture, education, literature, art, music, politics, ethics and morality, will find themselves dealing with a far more sinister ideology than Communism. You can bet on it that they will have zero toleration of the beliefs of atheists and their fellow travellers – even less than they will have for Christians and those of other faiths.
Boaz says
Jax Tolmen
May 9, 2014 at 1:27 pm
@Boaz
“Thank you for patently ignoring, and failing to respond to, my numerous comments targeted at you….blah blah blah”
“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.” – Matthew 10:34-36
“Wisdom rests in the heart of one who has understanding, But in the hearts of fools it is made known.” – Proverbs 14:33
You’re welcome, Smokey.
rage against injustice says
Prejudicial and greedy people have given christianity a bad reputation lets no be like that. Respecting someone else’s right means peace.
Kepha says
I’m with you, Boaz. The idols of Evolutionary Materialism are all the way of death.
Jax Tolmen says
@citycat
I’m a fair and impartial person on these forums I like to think – just as I have blasted Boaz for one of his divisive comments – so too will I come after you.
What is with some of the Atheists on this site attacking Christianity? This is not the forum for those kinds of comments – they are extremely unproductive and off topic. Regardless of what you might think, the fight against Islam cannot be won purely by atheists. You yourself have acknowledged that “The chinese, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists and other religions will have none of Islam ” – so it is obvious that you at least acknowledge that other religion’s involvement in the cause is beneficial. Why you have chosen to single out Christianity specifically is beyond me.
If you have not noticed, many people who comment on this site are devout Christians and their contributions are more useful than yours appear to be. Apart from Boaz, who I have never seen before, they are usually welcoming and accepting of the multitude of beliefs represented in this comment section.
Isolating your allies in the face of the impending onslaught of the true enemy is suicidal stupidity. Instead of wasting your time promoting internecine strife amongst your allies, why don’t you use it to productively foster a strong unified front against the evils of Islam. I assure you, the struggle cannot and will not be won by people who waste their time attacking their friends.
In case you mistake my intentions; I am an atheist and have been my entire life.
eib says
I don’t mind atheists in the counter-jihad.
What concerns me is that they are capable only of confronting the effects of Islam, not an important number of its central causes.
To call a Muslim’s religion illusory does not insult him.
But to call his religion profane when you carry in your mind some continuum of the sacred and the profane is devastating.
To attack Islam on religious terms is to attack it at the root.
Atheists will have to be content with the branches.
Unless, of course, modernity and the pursuit of power are part of those roots.
I wouldn’t know.
I’m not Muslim.
gravenimage says
To all those arguing above, know that Islam targets Christians and Atheists and *any* other non-Muslims.
We have differing beliefs here, and that is fine—but we should be respectful and all stand together, because supremacist Muslims want to see us *all* humiliated or dead.
eib says
In an atheist world, everything is only the sum of its parts.
It’s dreary.
Ugly.
A good prologue to submission.
Geordie says
Well said citycat. Grown adults arguing over who’s imaginary friend is the biggest, makes me laugh. If it wasn’t for the continual bloodshed accompanying it, there would be no harm done. However, when it comes to defeating pisslam. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Listening to this fucker makes me want to shed blood. Some on here will understand why.
voegelinian says
“Grown adults arguing over who’s imaginary friend is the biggest, makes me laugh. If it wasn’t for the continual bloodshed accompanying it…”
There is no bloodshed accompanying Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, or any other religion on the planet, save for one: Islam. Geordi’s attitude is precisely why some of us have a problem with atheists. They have a strange inability to process data and come to reasonable conclusions, without forcing that data through some pre-fab axiomatic filter: “All religions bad, see bad Muslims, Muslims religious, unhhhh, must condemn all religions, cannot compute that Islam is unique and that no other religion is doing this shit, unhhhh, all religions bad, fie on your sky daddy and flying spaghetti monster, lololol, unhhhhh….”
Geordie says
voegelinian, with all due respect. It is not I who constantly post passages from magic books on the Jihad watch forum. I don’t ram faith in some deity down the throats of all and sundry. In that respect many christians (ZW) are just as bad if not worse, than the muslims!
Before attacking fellow atheists on here, I suggest you take a swipe at the resident shaman. The enemy of my enemy may be my friend, but some here are as bad as Dale Neumann. Incapable of expressing themselves without first passing their words through a “pre-fab axiomatic filter:” My imaginary friend and magic book has the answer for everything. They don’t give a shit about insulting those of us whop do not share their delusions.
When they cease and desist, so will I. Until then, I reserve the right to be civil to those who are civil to me, respect those who respect me and insult those who insult me.
voegelinian says
” It is not I who constantly post passages from magic books on the Jihad watch forum. I don’t ram faith in some deity down the throats of all and sundry. In that respect many christians (ZW) are just as bad if not worse, than the muslims!”
That respect is trivial and irrelevant to the other respect in which Muslims are utterly different from Christians, Jews, and all other religious people on the planet — and that other respect is of utmost deadly importance not only to human rights around the world, but also to lives and infrastructure. WTFIWWY?
Lee Kay says
I’m atheist but have no problem with people having there belief’s each and everyone to there own.There lies the problem Islam dose not think like that that’s why I would like to see it irradiated or at least all Muslim’s sent back to there third world what ever istan they come from and as for atheist ‘s thinking all religion is bad I don’t know where you get that from but don’t put us down as we will be on the front line when the time calls and us in the UK are an angry fucking bunch when are backs are against the wall Islam thinks were all going to sit and let them take over well news flash fuck your backward religion(islam)we will fuck you again Europe is slowly(very slowly sadly) waking up the time is not to far away when islam will get the fucking shock of it’s life
Bezelel says
Mark of the beast, and I only have two cheeks to turn and since these psycho’s are deliberately hostile then “treat them like a tax collector”.The problem is these specimens of islam actually believe their own shiite.Well that’s not the only problem.Jerks like abu enjoy undeserved protection.
BTW Tolerance does not compel me to cosign insanity.
citycat says
It does not seem that the government or Christians will defend England. It looks like the common infidels will have to save themselves.
Some Christians apologize, some say convert them to Jesus, some know the truth.
The chinese, sikhs, Hindus, etc will have none of Islam, they know it of old.
The truth has been stifled.
Atheists have awareness, they’re not jammed up with religion.
“We don’t do God” sounds good to me.
Michael Copeland says
The common infidels are mobilising:
https://www.facebook.com/britainfirstgb
276,800 “likes” and growing.
Britain First is standing in the MEP elections in two weeks.
They are entitled to Party Political Broadcasts as other parties.
The broadcasts will reach many who are not online.
Bezelel says
As a Christian who can appreciate your effort to communicate with reason, I would point out that many Christians see resorting to force as a lack of faith. That has merit in a civilized society in one on one encounters. The difference with what we’re faced with is, allowing islam to go unchecked is endangering countless innocent lives. There lies the justification that Christians can not ignore. How many could stand frozen while a child is being harmed? Love your neighbor as yourself. islam is not a neighbor, It is a doctrine of devils. islam is not a race. God is not insane and engaging in self destructive behavior by allowing evil to flourish is not going to impress God. Jesus never told us to be the doormats of humanity. “On Earth as it is in Heaven” sharia has no place there so it has no place here. “Deliver Us from Evil”, God moves mountains if you bring the shovel.
nothosaur says
To: Bezelel
I am an ally in the fight against Islamic supremacism and jihad. I am also an unbeliever.
Help me to understand your point of view. You said that “Jesus never told us to be the doormats of humanity.” How, then, will you explain to me the plain words that I am reading on the page of Luke 6:29: “…and from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either.”
This is not a stretch of interpretation on my part. Abu Waleed actually said, “If a Muslim comes out on the day of ‘Eid and sees an infidel with nice clothes, the infidel has to take his clothes off and give them to the Muslim.” Jesus said “…and from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either.” There could not be a more perfect example to start this discussion of dhimmitude and the commands of Jesus.
Instead of engaging in an abstract, theological argument, let’s get personal: Please explain to me why YOU (as a Christian who loves Jesus) would NOT yield to the specific demands of Abu Waleed if he ordered you to give him your cloak at 5:00pm today May 9, 2014. Please include in your answer an explanation of Jesus’ command found in Luke 6:29, “…and from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either” and John 14:15, “If you love me, keep my commands.” Consider this hypothetical as realistically as you can, and address the words of Jesus as straightforwardly as possible.
I look forward to an open and honest discussion of this point between two allies in the fight against dhimmitude.
Thank you.
Boaz says
Jesus was referring to litigation, NOT someone merely accosting another on the street. You have internet access so does being an unbeliever preclude you from actually doing some basic research into the Scriptures? Try Matthew 5:40, as it almost self explanatory.
While we’re at it, in Matthew 5:39, Jesus is trying to teach us not to seek vengeance, NOT to merely stand there and be pummeled. When He was arrested and brought before Annas the high priest, and was struck by the guard, he didn’t turn the other cheek but asked…. “If I have spoken wrongly, testify of the wrong; but if rightly, why do you strike Me?”
It’s all about context and studying God’s Word, NOT taking directives from desperate, lying snakes like Dan Barker (not implying that you do-hopefully). Try Bible Hub-it has Bible commentary on every chapter & verse. Ultimately, one can only ever make sense of God’s Word by humbling themselves and sincerely seeking the truth….
“But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” – James 4:6
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. – 1 Corinthians 2:14
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING outside of Jesus Christ is rubbish. People need to get past the notion that suffering in this life is the worst thing that can happen to them. It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God, as said by Paul in Hebrews. Those apostles of Christ weren’t sawn in two, chopped, beaten, stoned and burned for a lie. Messianic prophecy in the Old Testament is undeniable. Countless millions can bear witness to the supernatural. Please consider what I tell you VERY carefully.
nothosaur says
To Boaz, from Nothosaur:
I see that you responded to the question that I asked of Bezelel. I see also that you seem hostile (“so does being an unbeliever preclude you from actually doing some basic research into the Scriptures”). Do I truly deserve your hostility?
I have carefully read your response to the issue I raised concerning Luke 6:29, and I double checked my Bible, and read multiple commentaries. I was a Christian for about 20 years, and I have done my research.
You are wrong. Luke 6:29 does not mention litigation. You are thinking of a different passage, likely Matthew 5:40, which says, “If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.” But, I did not mention anything from Matthew to Bezelel, did I? Please check again.
Luke 6:29, in context, deals with the general idea of doing good to those who hate you. It does not deal with litigation. Don’t take my word for it. One theologian that I have researched, Joseph Benson, summarizes it simply as invoking “proverbial expressions, to signify an invasion of the tenderest points of honour and property.” The word lawsuit is not mentioned. Neither is court or law.
However, I am going to ignore your insult (your suggestion that being an unbeliever makes me incapable of researching anything). Instead, I am going to meet you halfway to promote discussion rather than mere contradiction. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, and to see things your way for the sake of argument.
Let us readily infer that Luke here speaks of actions at law, which bad men raise for the purpose of carrying off the property of others.
Question: How is that any different from a Muslim using Sharia Law to take property from you through the order of a judge?
Here is a hypothetical. Abu Waleed sues you under Sharia Law. He employs a novel tort theory, claiming that your possession of your nice shirt is an intentional infliction of emotional distress upon his Muslim sensibilities. He seeks your shirt as “damages.”
If you follow the words of Jesus, not only would you submit to his unreasonable request for your shirt, but you would make the situation even more absurd by giving him your coat also.
Do not answer that you want to fight the matter in court. Jesus would NOT approve of that. Instead Jesus suggests that you should fear being thrown in jail by a bad judge! You should fear it so much, that you should settle OUT OF COURT!
Jesus said in Matthew 5:25-26: “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.”
The great theologian Matthew Henry in 1706 commented upon this litigation verse, reaffirming that the message is that we should be quick to “agree, and compound with thine adversary quickly, lest he be exasperated by thy stubbornness, and provoked to insist upon the utmost demand.”
That advice does distinguish whether your adversary’s case has any merit. It does not allow for a vigorous, stubborn defense that insists upon the plaintiff making his case. At it’s most favorable interpretation, it is wildly over broad.
I refused to follow these commandments. I refuse to teach any of these commandments to my children. They are a path to dhimmitude.
I also know that most Christians agree with me. Christians do NOT follow these commands as written. They get around them somehow or ignore them. I have argued these points (especially the interpretations and commentaries of theologian Adam Clarke) with multiple Christians over the years.
I wonder whether you will respond any differently than they did.
I will tell some of my non-Christian friends that you think that their ideas are “rubbish”, and how you accused me of failing to adequately research Luke. They will probably not judge all Christians based on your behavior alone. The great majority of Christians that I have met on Jihad Watch are honorable, respectable, and have a great yet humble outlook on life. I greatly admire many of them. It is with them that I will seek an understanding of Christian belief, not with you.
Regarding your threat of hellfire – that has no more effect on me than Oz with the curtain withdrawn. Keep it to yourself.
Boaz says
The messages from Christ in Luke and Matthew were the same but written from two different authors. I thought someone who thought they were in Christ for 20 years would know that….
Paul answers your question in Romans
“Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.” – Romans 13:1-7
Submitting to people who proclaim that His only begotten Son will return to break crosses (and kill Christians) is not what God had in mind. Again, someone who was SUPPOSEDLY in Christ for 20 years should know this. You argue suspiciously like the infantile (and most angry) Dan Barker, who for reasons only known to him, gave up, now spending his time falsely interpreting God’s Word and (mis)leading the sycophantic and naive alike off the precipice to Perdition like lemmings.
“I will tell some of my non-Christian friends that you think that their ideas are “rubbish””
What, are you like 5 years old? You’ll tell them what PAUL said, Mr “I was a Christian for 20 years”. And? That’ll teach him? You amuse me 🙂
“More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ” – Philippians 3:8
“and how you accused me of failing to adequately research Luke. They will probably not judge all Christians based on your behavior alone.”
You seek their approval/solace because your feelings are hurt? Mommy still loves you…
“I greatly admire many of them. It is with them that I will seek an understanding of Christian belief, not with you.”
“If Jesus preached the same message as most preachers today, they wouldn’t’ve
killed Him” – Leonard Ravenhill
“Regarding your threat of hellfire”
That was Jesus’ PROMISE, not a threat-your liberal Christian friends probably don’t like that part of the Sermon. You NEVER knew who you were in Christ, hence the retreat to banality and “it’s all a myth”, which is creative as buttered toast.
“Do I truly deserve your hostility?”
Just like the Pharisees, it is the truth that you fear.
“It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” – Hebrews 10:31
Good luck with that.
Jax Tolmen says
@Boaz
Thank you for patently ignoring, and failing to respond to, my numerous comments targeted at you. I wonder why it is that you have chosen to ignore me; I presume it is because I am an Atheist – and thus my views are probably beneath your concerns. That, or you know you’re acting like a fool.
Why should being an ‘unbeliever’ preclude him from having a discussion from someone about their faith – he clearly wants their perspective on the matter; I’m sure ‘nothosaur’ is aware of the existence of Google, and has chosen to ask someone about it more directly. I would say he has more respect for your beliefs, then you do for his. At least he is willing to engage in dialogue; you’re too busy putting everyone down who doesn’t agree with you by quoting bible verses and attacking their beliefs that are contrary to yours.
You’re claiming that your religion and its scriptures are based on incontrovertible facts and slandering everyone else; yet again. I am growing incredibly frustrated with your intolerance – why is it that you are fighting Islam? You clearly have a lot in common with them; you’re intolerant of other’s beliefs and slander those who disagree with you. That is what the enemy does – do you find pride in acting like our common enemy?
Do you enjoy attempting to split the cause? Do you really fight against Islam, or are you just trying to weaken the movement by starting petty squabbles and attacking everyone who doesn’t agree with your narrow minded ideals?
I suggest you take a step back, and have a long and hard think about what it is you’re doing. You will never, ever gain any sympathy for your personal agenda if you continue to treat people the way you have so far in this comment section. By saying that “Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING outside of Jesus Christ is rubbish” you are effectively alienating a majority of the words population; surprise surprise, the counter Jihad movement is not composed entirely of Christians.
I had hoped that fellow Jihad Watchers, such as the many Christians who usually agree with me, had joined me in condemning your inflammatory remarks. Please take your hate filled, ignorant and damaging remarks elsewhere and cease distracting people from the real issues at hand. I honestly don’t care why those people died; faith does funny things to people – but I don’t take that as proof of the existence of a supreme being – and you would be wise to learn to respect other people’s beliefs.
You should consider what I’m saying very carefully, just to paraphrase you.
Bezelel says
@nothosaur, Thank you for the question. I will say that to form doctrine around one liners is not advisable. Christians have a New Testament and Old Testament.Much of the New Testament is Testifying that the Old testament is valid and not just some clever fairy tales.Jesus had issues with the Pharisee’s who were extremely diligent about following the letter of the Mosaic Law. The issues the Pharisee’s had with Jesus concerning Mosaic Law were described where Jesus pointed out the meaning behind the law. Jesus challenged them the use their minds to understand rather than blind faith.The challenges the Pharisee’s had in their minds still exist today.The belief system that forms doctrines around specific Scriptures is an example of that mentality. It could be said that is an attempt to put God in a box.
nothosaur says
To Bezelel; from Nothosaur
I think I understand what you are saying.
However, I would like to direct the discussion to “where the rubber meets the road” so to speak. (To get a direct “action-based” answer about what you would do in a particular situation, and why).
Here is the question that I asked: “Please explain to me why YOU (as a Christian who loves Jesus) would NOT yield to the specific demands of Abu Waleed if he ordered you to give him your cloak at 5:00pm today May 9, 2014. Please include in your answer an explanation of Jesus’ command found in Luke 6:29, “…and from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either” and John 14:15, “If you love me, keep my commands.”
You suggested that you don’t want to “form doctrine around one liners.” I think I understand that. But, then when have the danger of discounting the plainly stated words of Jesus, which leads to the idea that any behavior can somehow be explained to be in compliance with Christian teaching, even if it is EXACTLY the opposite of what was plainly said by Jesus. It becomes Orwellian. Those words of Jesus in the Book of Luke are a commandment. And, he said that you should keep his commandments.
If you were to resist Abu Waleed (whether Waleed’s claim on your cloak was given verbally or given as a lawsuit), can you truly imagine Jesus watching your resistance and nodding with APPROVAL?!
Imagine Jesus watching your resistance (either physical resistance or in an answer to a lawsuit containing denials).
Imagine Jesus saying this: “Look at my disciple Bezelel. He is being confronted by Waleed, an adversary, who is taking away his cloak (physically or under Sharia law). I am pleased that he is resisting. It’s true that I commanded my followers not to resist those who try to take away their cloaks. It’s true that I commanded that if they are sued, they should settle quickly. But, you can’t put me in a box! After all, I also told them not to resist evil! By resisting Waleed’s evil, he is not resisting evil. I also commanded them to give to those who ask, and to not ask for it to be returned. He’s not doing that! I’m glad. You’ve got to look at the big picture. By resisting Waleed, Bezelel is fulfilling the SPIRIT OF THE LAW to retain his meekness and charity towards Waleed. Bezelel knows the overall message is to wish enemies well, do them good, speak as well of them as possible, be an instrument of procuring them good from others, use influence in their behalf, and most of all, to suffer patiently from them contempt and ill treatment. When Bezelel resists Waleed’s demand for his shirt, he is fulfilling the spirit of the law that says that he should not resist. By contradicting my commandment, he is showing me that she loves me. Well done, my good and faithful servant.”
(On a side note, you said something that very much confuses me. You said “Jesus challenged them the use their minds to understand rather than blind faith.” Is this the same Jesus who said “blessed are they who have not seen, yet have believed”, and who, when he heard that the centurion trusted that Jesus would heal his servant without seeing him, that Jesus said of him, “I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel”?)
Anyway, I thank you for being respectful and informative about your beliefs. I respect you as an ally, though we may disagree on our approach. I wish you the best, and I look forward to your response.
Bezelel says
@nothosaur, You are still posing questions from a Pharisee mind set but they are at least about the application of The Word. I will try to answer but probably never to your satisfaction. What I wrote to you first was an intro in an attempt to elevate the discussion. I will try again.
One and only One has been able to fulfill the letter of the law.That One is Jesus. He is a hard act to follow, to be sure.He is to be followed to the best of ones ability(all things considered).
Paul wrote many letters that make up the bulk of the New Testament. The letters have been used to explain Christ’s meanings and the priests and preachers try to explain it All to us and each doing the best they can but never has it been to everyones satisfaction. Some “get it” and some don’t.
#1 Jesus did not command me to give my coat to some demonically deranged person (muslim or not) and wish him well in his murderous endeavors.Blind Faith in the letter without understanding could lead to that.
#2 Love your enemies, In order to do that you have to separate the person from the behavior. I am witness to many conversions from the worldly life to Spiritual and I am aware that a person who is pissing me off may be at their turning point. You are not doing those people any favors by enabling the path in the wrong direction. Trial and error an important part of discovery depends on the consequences of error to steer us in the right direction.
God is patient,not willing that any should perish. However God is not stupid and knows very well that there are those who have no redeeming qualities in this life.(most of this catagory is occupied by muslims, but definately not all).
I have to get to work now, I suggest you digest this and consider rephrasing you last question to me.
nothosaur says
“Jesus did not command me to give my coat to a demonically deranged person, Muslim or not…”
Jesus made no such distinction. In fact, he specifically included “evil” in another verse when he said not to resist those who do evil to you. You seem to want to invent your own “common sense” exceptions to the commandments because the radical nature of Jesus’ commands makes you feel uncomfortable. Make no mistake – they are radical. He would not have brought so much attention in this world by being milktoast. In fact, Jesus had admonitions about being lukewarm.
I think think that if you and I spoke long enough, you wouldfind a way around every commandment that Jesus ever gave. For example, you might even eventually say that Jesus would agree with you that marrying a divorced woman is NOT adultery. After all, you cannot put God in a box.
It seems that you will always find a way to make his teachings comfortable for you. At that point, you are no longer favoring “spirit” over “letter” in any meaninful sense. Instead, Christian teaching becomes milktoast at best, Orwellian at worst.
Geordie says
At nothosaur
Enough of the nasty preaching, save it for your sunday club. This is Jihad Watch, not some evangelical redneck backwater or zombie appreciation society.
Bezelel says
@nothesaur, Do you remember saying “I look forward to an open and honest discussion” and “Instead of engaging in an abstract, theological argument,” To that I have attempted to communicate with you.Instead you resemble an interrogator and then presume to answer your own questions with demeaning speculation. I did not agree to that.You see regardless of what you think, Christians know something you don’t. You are the one asking questions.I know that angers you but insulting me is not going to help. The honest truth is, It’s not a matter about how good or bad I am but how good God is.
rage against injustice says
People lets work for a world were I can be I, were you can be you, were you and me don’t force some else to be like you or me. Let’s respect each other regardless of our beliefs.
Jeff says
Islam is an actual hate crime.
Myxlplick says
Wow, what an uplifting message, “Muslims bring misery, and the only way to be less miserable is to be one of us”.
Muslims just can’t be righteous of their own accord they have to bring others down around them to look like the big Islamotoughguy.
How can they be proud of this?
Salah says
“British Islamist Abu Waleed called to impose humiliating laws on the Christians”
Keep your head down, Abu Waleed; the world has read your books and history, there’s no place for fairy tales and lies.
No one in history has ever been humiliated like Muhammad is today. And it’s all from your own “holy” books.
So please, keep your head down in shame!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/drawing-muhammad-dessiner-mahomet.html
ManchesterLad says
I am an atheist and I certainly do not belong to the “PC, Godless, Marxist brigade”.
It is pointless to be diverted into a Christian vs Atheist argument in these forums. We have to bear in mind the greater evil, the common enemy of Islam.
I have great respect for Christians, even though I think they are wrong. However, Christians are not a threat to my safety, my way of life, my freedom of speech and the future of the society I want my daughter to grow up into in the future. Their religion and beliefs are not a threat to me, or anyone else.
Islam is a gross threat to all of these and to the civilised world.
I can disagree with Christians, argue with them, even gratuitously insult them and their religion if I choose – as can they I – but I know I do not have to look over my shoulder in case I am about to be killed or attacked if I choose to do this. Needless to say, I have none of these freedoms or advantages with anyone who is the victim of Islam.
The common enemy is Islam. Atheists, Christians, Budhists etc need to stand together or we will surely allow ourselves to be defeated.
Boaz says
Sorry champ, but I stand by my comments. Atheism is the reason we are in this mess. Ask yourself what exactly Darwin has wrought, with next to no evidence, to boot.
“The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.” – John 1:5
Why?
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” – James 4:6
THAT’S why!
“You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.” – Jeremiah 29:13
THAT’S How!
You REALLY think Christ’s disciples died ie sawn in two, chopped, stoned and beaten for a lie?
Jax Tolmen says
Let me first state that I am an atheist, which may colour your perspective on my comment – since religious inclination seems to matter to you.
You’re attacking someone who is extending an olive branch, and saying that he stands with people such as you against the common enemy we all share. You’ve decided to respond by stating that “atheism is the reason we are in this mess.” What is wrong with you?
Atheism is not the reason “we are in this mess”. Islam is very obviously the reason we are in this mess. You are just as bad as the militant – atheists who confuse the issue and attack Christianity. Your comments are divisive and extremely unproductive in the extreme.
Why don’t you act like the other Christians and accept that Atheists are a necessary and vital component to the anti – Jihad movement. I don’t know what it is you’re hoping to achieve with your comments, other than belittling and isolating a large and vocal component of the movement.
If you want to attack atheists then that is fine, but this is not the forum for those kinds of discussions. I’m sure you can find some dedicated sites for those kinds of comments. Until then, I implore you to keep your comments productive and on topic topic.
Geordie says
BOAZ, name of the column at the door of Solomon’s temple. I bet you are one of the muslim trouble makers, posting here to cause offense.
When you next see Jachin say hi.
Boaz says
“I bet you are one of the muslim trouble makers”
And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.” – Matthew 12:25
Atheists argue like muslims, and squeal at the truth of His words.
Geordie says
Don’t pretend to be a zombie worshipper BOAZ by spouting Google quotes from the magic book. It’s plain from your attempted trouble making your are here to divide and conquer. Taqiyya dies here.
Climb back on your camel and trot off.
voegelinian says
If atheism were the sole cause of PC MC, why are millions of Christians PC MC — as are innumerable Jews, and innumerable Hindus and Buddhists? Atheism is more of a symptom of a broader deeper cultural process the West has been going through for at least two centuries, than it is a cause.
Geordie says
“If atheism were the sole cause of PC MC, why are millions of Christians PC MC — as are innumerable Jews, and innumerable Hindus and Buddhists? Atheism is more of a symptom of a broader deeper cultural process the West has been going through for at least two centuries, than it is a cause.”
Completely agree. The cultural process is oft called the age of enlightenment followed by industrialisation and the dominance of scientific thinking over religious dogma. The need for validation trumping blind faith.
voegelinian says
Well, that process isn’t all that “enlightened” if it has spawned a dominant and mainstream PC MC that can’t see a deadly global ideology right under its damned nose.
Geordie says
voegelinian wrote: “Well, that process isn’t all that “enlightened” if it has spawned a dominant and mainstream PC MC that can’t see a deadly global ideology right under its damned nose.”
Good point. Never said it was perfect but it is the best we have ever had. Of course tolerance and turning the other cheek in the face of intolerance, are not traits associated with the enlightenment. Last time I looked the pope was puckering up to kiss muslim arse, again. While quoting passages from his magic book. At the same time condemning the use of condoms to HIV ridden Africans. In the absence of a good education, little wonder so many in the ancestral continent have turned to islam.
Modern thinking has moderated most religions turning them into benign fading myths. Only islam has resisted education since the end of it’s alleged golden age, using violence and sexual prejudice.
Jax Tolmen says
What an excellent and timely comment ManchesterLad – there have been atheist agitators attempting to divide the community commenting on this site lately.
As a fellow atheist, I applaud your comment and agree in most aspects – I think many of our non – atheist compatriots would be happy to know that not all atheists are vehemently anti – Christian nut cases.
It all goes to promote unity against the common enemy – that is; the growing and very real threat that Islam represents to our way of life. I certainly don’t want my two year old son being subjected to the teachings and ideals of such a heinous religion.
Thank you for your comment ManchesterLad; I hope other JihadWatchers take your comment for what it is – a sign that no matter the differences between us; we can all stand firm in the face of the great enemy of the 21st century.
nothosaur says
I stand with ManchesterLad and Jax Tolman. There may be more atheist/nonbeliever allies than Christians think.
Not all of us are leftists. And, not all of us fail to appreciate what Christians like Sam Adams have done to protect our freedom.
Speaking of Sam Adams, he was a devout Christian who got along quite well with nonbelievers of various shades (deists/agnostics, etc) among whom were Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, etc.
What if Sam Adams had said that nonbelievers are the problem? Where would we be today?
There are many Chri
drivingBy says
“Speaking of Sam Adams, he was a devout Christian who got along quite well with nonbelievers of various shades (deists/agnostics, etc) among whom were Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, etc.
What if Sam Adams had said that nonbelievers are the problem? Where would we be today?”
That’s a key observation and a difference between the men of 1776 and the mob of today. They had no love for theocrats nor the amoral and self-absorbed, those being the closest thing to a leftist existing at that time.
Whoops, can’t use “men” in a positive context now, that’s going to be spun into being the next prohibited speech.
patches says
Manchester Lad , you echo my thoughts and views !
Geordie says
Manchester lad wrote: “I can disagree with Christians, argue with them, even gratuitously insult them and their religion if I choose – as can they I – but I know I do not have to look over my shoulder in case I am about to be killed or attacked if I choose to do this. Needless to say, I have none of these freedoms or advantages with anyone who is the victim of Islam.”
Very well said. It’s not very often a Geordie agrees with a Manc but here we are, singing from the same sheet.
I wonder how many muslims comment, pretending to be a christian or atheist, just to cause trouble in our ranks. It’s their usual way of conducting business, nasty bastards.
dumbledoresarmy says
You wrote – “I wonder how many muslims comment, pretending to be a christian or atheist, just to cause trouble in our ranks”.
I have frequently wondered that, myself.
And I bet they don’t just do it *here*, I’d hazard the guess that they’re doing it everywhere that infidels of various descriptions foregather in cyberspace.
When Dante envisaged Mohammed in Hell, he didn’t envisage him in any number of places where he *could* have envisaged him – with the Lustful, say, or the Thieves, or the Violent. He envisaged him with *the sowers of discord*. Interesting choice, eh?
duh_swami says
Sorry champ, but I stand by my comments. Atheism is the reason we are in this mess.
I hate to be contrary but PHHHT, on that…
duh_swami says
Islam is a primitive religion for primitive people. Abu Walled confirms my diagnosis…
bill says
These people appear not to have heard that there is ‘no compulsion in religion’
as long as you bow the knee to Islam of course. It is obvious that their desire is political power. Fascism works by eliminating all opposition. It does not make sense that a minority can force its will on the majority by murder and terrorism.
The major terrorist acts like 9/11 did not bring down the USA. The Islamists will never achieve their goals by killing people, except perhaps in Islamic countries.
Which were mostly bent to Islam by force in the first place.
One can only assume that they are either stupid, insane or they just enjoy killing people, which comes to the same thing
duh_swami says
One can only assume that they are either stupid, insane or they just enjoy killing people
There you have it…The ‘holy’ trinity of Islam. And they say they don’t have one of those…
bill says
I don’t know who this fellow is but if he is supposed to be some ‘leader’ it says a lot about the intelligence levels of Muslims. His rambling discourse and attempts at parables are really childish. He sounds in fact like a simple minded person or one who has drunk too much alcohol
Anne says
Why does anyone listen to his garbage. What a thick bunch of idiots. Compare his words to St. Paul, Thomas Aquinas or CS Lewis and wonder at the stupidity of those who follow Islam and those who don’t but will respect his words and never criticise for fear of a fatwa. We live in the strangest of times and I wonder what is to follow.
Geordie says
Anne. More I see things like this video, more sure I am that bloodshed on our streets is certain to follow. This is the same guy who radicalised the murderers of Fusilier drummer L/Cpl Lee Rigby. Need I say more.
Edward Cline says
As a seasoned writer with about a dozen published novels, I actually lost the thread of Abu Waleed’s narration half-way through, because it failed to engage my interest in it, and skipped to the end of it. I should point out that this is the nature of Islamic “literature,” a series of disconnected concretes governed by no theme or plot line, except that Islam will “triumph.” He could be narrating the antics and slapstick of the Three Stooges or the Marx Brothers, and still claim: “So everyone is going to become Muslims. That, my dear brothers, is the Islamic state….” Come again?
duh_swami says
the Marx Brothers
Wasn’t it Groucho who said something like, he wouldn’t belong to an organization that would have him as a member? He may have been referring to Islam…but probably not…
SteveA55 says
Hello Edward and I like the comments you make on your blog.
Your novels are also intriguing and I look forward to reading some of them.
It’s good to ‘meet’ you.
nothosaur says
There is a teaching of Jesus that is perfectly applicable here. This mohammadan said that he has the authority to take away a Christian’s clothing.
Jesus would say “…and from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either.” (Luke 6:29)
It’s pretty straightforward. Maybe he should quote Luke 6:29 when he makes the demand, and then add “if you love Him, then keep his commandments” which the Christian should also recognize.
I am glad that great Christians like King Jon Sobieski III either was not aware of Jesus’ words or chose not to follow them literally.
Boaz says
I hope that you’ve spent the last couple of days doing something more productive than sulking and kicking stones, nothosaur.
The New Age movement has twisted the concept of faith by teaching that we can make something true by believing it. We cannot create reality with our minds-only God can do that.
True Biblical faith is choosing to believe and act upon what is true, and He is the Truth. Faith is something you decide to do, not something you feel like doing. Believing something doesn’t make it true;it’s already true, therefore we choose to believe it.
Everybody lives by faith. The only difference between Christian and non Christian
faith is the object of our faith. If the object of our faith is not trustworthy, then no amount of believing will change that. That’s why our faith must be grounded on the solid rock of God’s perfect, unchanging character and the truth of His word.
You have asked questions in an attempt to checkmate a believer into giving up their faith. Questions that, for someone 20 years in the faith seem oddly ill conceived. Misery sure does love company, and that is why Satan has whispered into your ear. If you are a former believer or not, there is something you must understand, because without it, there is NO hope for your soul….
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” – James 4:6
“You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.” – Jeremiah 29:13
Humble yourself, champ, and walk with Christ. Hell is not something that I wish upon you, or anyone for that matter, including muslims.
Good luck and God bless you.
Geordie says
boaz wrote: “True Biblical faith is …”
Faith is belief in something for which there is no supporting evidence. Blind faith is belief in something for which there is contradictory evidence. I suspect your delusional mind set favours the later.
Climb back on your camel and trot off, taqiyya merchant.
Boaz says
You wrote….”voegelinian, with all due respect. It is not I who constantly post passages from magic books on the Jihad watch forum. I don’t ram faith in some deity down the throats of all and sundry. In that respect many christians (ZW) are just as bad if not worse, than the muslims!
Before attacking fellow atheists on here, I suggest you take a swipe at the resident shaman. The enemy of my enemy may be my friend, but some here are as bad as Dale Neumann. Incapable of expressing themselves without first passing their words through a “pre-fab axiomatic filter:” My imaginary friend and magic book has the answer for everything. They don’t give a shit about insulting those of us whop do not share their delusions.
When they cease and desist, so will I. Until then, I reserve the right to be civil to those who are civil to me, respect those who respect me and insult those who insult me.”
You are a complete and utter hypocrite. You have made childish attacks on my comments from the start, which don’t bother me, as many atheists act like children trapped in adult’s bodies-Dawkins, Harris, et al. I think it is YOU that is the muslim troll. Either that, or you are a complete and utter unhinged nutjob.
“At nothosaur
Enough of the nasty preaching, save it for your sunday club. This is Jihad Watch, not some evangelical redneck backwater or zombie appreciation society.”
nothosaur is an atheist, like you, although nowhere near as imbecilic. Are you really that stupid? Reader vogelinian most succinctly handed your ignorant a$$ to you on a plate, but no amount of sense and reason will deter you from the opiate of ignorance which is atheistic apathy.
For the record, blind faith is actually believing in Darwinian “evolution” of a species, which has virtually NO evidence to support it. It is not scientific because it is not observable. Even a secular Jew like David Berlinski scoffs at its absurdity! NO ONE has witnessed it but countless millions have witnessed the supernatural.
There is ample evidence to support Christianity, although I highly doubt you will investigate it….
http://creation.com/trust-the-bible#txtRef15
Get help.
George says
boaz. You seem to be unable to restrain yourself from making ridiculously inane comments with cliché quotes from the magic book you hold so dear. Then you have the nerve to complain when others who do not share your delusions take offense. Quite frankly I’ve had enough of asking nicely for you to moderate your religionist bleating. Others may be able to ignore it but I consider being tolerant of PC religious bullshit, the reason why islam has become such a problem in the western world. Perhaps I should just say…
Enough of the nasty preaching, save it for your sunday club. This is Jihad Watch, not some evangelical redneck backwater or zombie appreciation society.
GBOYC and trot off!
Geordie says
boaz, temple pillar. Your ignorance is limitless.
FYI Evolution is a scientific theory. You obviously know nothing of such things so this quick definition from wiki should help.
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.[1][2] As with most (if not all) forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive power and explanatory force. [3][4]
Enough of your preaching! Be gone nasty shaman.
1969kk says
I don’t live by any faith there all fucked up but Islam is the only one threatening my way of life
Geordie says
1969kk wrote: “I don’t live by any faith there all fucked up but Islam is the only one threatening my way of life.”
Typo aside, very well said. Sadly boaz is one of those pricks who will try to shove their faith down your throat, at every opportunity. As if people haven’t had enough from the muslims.
Curious Teenager says
Ok hold on a second. First of all, Boaz has every right to talk about his faith, because its not killing anyone or causing a great amount of harm. Second of all, Muslims have a right to talk about their religion, too. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, and others can say what they want (or should be able to). The problem with Muslims is that they are killing people and raping women and children, which is a part of their religion. What about Dr. Zhalid Jasser? He talks about his religion. One could even say that he shoves his faith down other people’s throats, but is he causing harm? No. The point of this site is to shed light on the awful things that Muslims are doing around the world, not to pile hate on them. We should remember that expressing your opinions/beliefs is acceptable and it is also I acceptable to disagree with them. So knock it off. Have I shoved enough of my opinions/beliefs down your throat yet?
Geordie says
CT wrote: “The point of this site is to shed light on the awful things that Muslims are doing around the world, not to …”
You said it but should have added. ” … not to preach religious dogma.”
If he was preaching paedophilia or bestiality I’m sure there would be many people shouting him down. As it is, his offensive off-topic additions go unchecked. Well not anymore.
Curious Teenager says
Your comments haven’t been much better, I’ve noticed. Unfortunately for you, a lot of the people that comment on this website are Christian. Go ahead and comment, but please (this goes for Boaz as well), keep the nastiness to a minimum. I don’t appreciate the arguing. It distracts from the purpose of this website, which I stated in my last comment. Take your petty fued somewhere else. I feel like I’m chastising seven year-olds.
1969kk says
Fair plat there are some whiter than white never done anything to hurt anyone tree huggers on here trying to defend the “Moderate Muslims” but they have to understand that the Moderates are scared to death of the fanatics so they will not stand against them also the Koran states it is OK to live in other country’s until there numbers are strong enough to fight people like Curious Teenager stop defending some as when they are stong enogh to fight do you think you will be defended by them lmfao NO
Curious Teenager says
I’m not defending them; you won’t catch me dead doing that. I’m simply stating that they can talk about their religion until they’re blue in the face, but it doesn’t make them right.
Boaz says
Hey Geordie (or is it George-you sound mad enough to have a split personality), I’ll bet you look just a treat foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog, yelling profanities like the possessed child in The Exorcist at the mere mention of the Name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Do you projectile vomit as well? Stab yourself with a crucifix? Lick your windows? Can you rub your tummy and pat your head simultaneously? I can’t 🙁
“It is better to listen to the rebuke of a wise man than for one to listen to the song of fools.” – Ecclesiastes 7:5
Interestingly, you have been rebuked quite a few times….
I doubt, however, nothing short of Judgement Day will close the hole under your nose, and your inane rants do amuse me, so don’t disappoint and keep ’em coming, along with your “wikipedia wisdom” LOL! Oh, and God bless you.
Geordie says
And god be less, to you too!
I see your religious village idiot mind set is showing. Not content with spouting meaningless quotes from the drivel. You resort to inane ad hominem attacks. Are you sure you are not a muslim troll?
Keep going, you are already in the gutter. Lets see how low you can go shaman.
Boaz says
You’re as creative as buttered toast but far less attractive.
“Wisdom rests in the heart of one who has understanding, But in the hearts of fools it is made known.” – Proverbs 14:33
Love ya, Geordie.
Geordie says
@boaz. It’s better to keep your mouth shut and give the ‘impression’ that you’re stupid than to open it and remove all doubt. If what you don’t know can’t hurt you, you’re invulnerable.
Boaz says
No, no, no, no, no, George. You didn’t heed the wisdom of the proverb, even though, oddly, you fired back at me with an interpretation of it. Do you struggle to operate a light switch, George, because you’re not very good at this.
Geordie says
Ho ho ho. Don’t project your delusions on me, I have no interest in your cult. Be gone shaman.
Boaz says
Ho ho ho? It’s not Christmas yet, Georgie. Are you not a wee daft, lad? Remember, there’s only two (2) options for that light switch….Kisses xxx
Champ ✞ says
Bravo, Boaz! …’geordie’ is a shameful LIAR > Period
Silvia says
and they have the audacity to say that in a country that ISN”t theirs, where they are still a SMALL minority! This is just an illustration of their psychopathy. The muslims have declared Jihad on Britain and the only ones who don’t know it yet are the Brits.
boakai ngombu says
Waleed is setting the beautiful dream of supremacy. his words will be picked up and discussed by the brothers. he is anticipating they will act upon them over time
his words will be fulfilled as the brothers apply more and more of the SHARIA (a tool of enslavement) on the street and in their families
the Allah god of Islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) and its spokesman Muhammad (lately contrived; full of lusts) will be expecting the adherents to begin acting in force, if Abu is allowed to speak any more
the preachers will continue on espousing their loveless dibble if allowed to speak anymore and will proceed along their liturgy unimpeded – unless truth become known and learned
nowhere does Jesus command his followers to be stupid, especially when it comes to informing the ignorant such as Abu. he needs TRUTH if he is to do any good that is pleasing to the Unique God, who saves hapless souls as he
Abu needs to learn that his thoughts of supremacy have a wrong bent and are not adequate for him to come close to God
Dave says
Us Brits do know it. Before we do anything about it (our way), we’re waiting to seewhat our Govt. will do about it.
I know, nothing is probably the answer but us Brits need to hassle them into doing something!
Michael Copeland says
“What a fantastic contribution muslims make to this country”.
David Cameron.
Mick R says
Keep seeing need4kalifah group has ‘featured’ spots on YouTube, recently one titled JEWS, CHRISTIANS, ATHEISTS & THE KHILAFAH and another SHARIAH LAW THE FUTURE FOR BRITAIN. Looks like having taken over archive. org with their terrorist propaganda they’re now openly stinking up You Tube. Obviously hitting critical mass if they think they can shed the mask. Trouble is when the fighting starts in the Edgeware Road, they’ll all be battle hardened from training trips to Syria.
duh_swami says
Well, it would do you kuffar good to wear two different shoes, and otherwise run through the streets naked every Saturday afternoon if it’s not snowing.
It may even cause you to want to go to a mosque and do the shahada tango with the Imam. Allah works in strange and mysterious ways…mostly strange and mysterious.
dumbledoresarmy says
This is Islam. Islam pur et dur. Islam stripped right down to its core: human evil, codified, sacralised, unloosed to do as it will. Islam worships the “Strong Horse” – amoral and immoral Power. And so they believe that all others also worship Force, brute lust; that the be-all and end-all of all human longing is to be free to *hurt* other people as much as one wants; to stamp down hard on the faces of others.
This is what the Mohammedan Mob and the mohammedan ideology is all about: to satisfy and/ or produce and feed the mind of the Bully, the Thug, the Rapist, the Murderer, the Sadist. The malignant narcissist.
Vile sh*t. Vile, vile sh*t.
There is *nothing* to choose between this and Nazism at its most viciously strutting, except this: that if one were not “Aryan” one could not “convert”. IN Islam, one may become a kinda-sorta-honorary Arab-Muslim, by joining the Mohammedan Mob, the Allah Gang, the extortion racket + human sacrifice cult + sadists-united club for the kind of soul-damaged people who get off on hurting, raping, murdering and bullying anybody weaker than themselves. Of course, if not ethnically Arab, one will still always be a second-class Muslim; for Islam is to being-Arab as Nazism was to being-German.
This man ought to be seized by the seat of the pants and the scruff of the neck, stripped of the British passport of which he is utterly unworthy, and booted right out of England, back to the wretched seething hell-pit of suspicion and aggression that is the dar al Islam.
Perhaps British jihadwatchers may like to send the transcript of this diatribe to their elected representatives, and ask, very pointedly, *why* this sort of person is *not* being put on the next plane out…with a British bobby landing a size ten boot on his backside to hurry him on his way.
Wellington says
With you, dda, as always. I do fear, though, very much so, for the mother country of yours and mine. It has reached a point where PC/MC is quite actually a greater mortal threat to the UK’s survival than is Islam. Indeed, but for PC/MC Islam would not be much of a problem at all for Western Civilization.
Imagine a Western world in which no PC/MC existed in the first place. If so, then taking care of Islam’s rot would really not be very difficult at all. It could be dispatched with relative ease. In short, the principal enemy does not lie without (Islam) but within (Western stupidity and ignorance). And when the enemy lies within and not without, I submit it is a much more formidable enemy by far.
Kepha says
So, Wellington, as I’ve said before, I’ve always thought that Islamic ethics simply bless the worst tendencies of alpha males–making them, in DDA’s words, bullies and thugs.
Having seen that Muslims can change through the grace of God, though, I’ll keep praying that God will not enter into the terrible judgment of all-out war with His servants. I was too close to what went on in Cambodia between 1978-1992 and the Rwandan crisis of 1994 to call, “bring it on!” instead, I pray that God will raise up a lot more of the sort of people who’ve planted the first indigenous churches in Kabylia in close to a millennium, or more like Nabeel Qureishi, the West African immigrant girls I knew who are in conflict with their fathers over the faith they learned in America, the multitudes in Africa who so much dismay to that Libyan mullah, and other Muslims who’ve found God’s truth through Jesus Christ.
But, if it really came to the horrors that none of us should desire, I would gladly treat Abu Waleed and his ilk like Amalek.
voegelinian says
The problem is not the few Muslims who proudly take off the mask, but the majority who continue to wear the mask, fooling the majority of Westerners into thinking the only problem is the Tiny Minority of Extremists.
Until the West can make the connection between the Masked and the Unmasked, it will continue to collude — unwittingly and witlessly — with the increasing infiltration that we have good reason to believe is increasingly enabling Muslims to plot multiple and more massive terror attacks in various places throughout the West in the future.
Geordie says
“The problem is not the few Muslims who proudly take off the mask, but the majority who continue to wear the mask, fooling the majority of Westerners into thinking the only problem is the Tiny Minority of Extremists.
Until the West can make the connection between the Masked and the Unmasked, it will continue to collude — unwittingly and witlessly — with the increasing infiltration that we have good reason to believe is increasingly enabling Muslims to plot multiple and more massive terror attacks in various places throughout the West in the future.”
Wise words, completely agree again!
This could be habit forming.
patches says
let me at em , let me at em !! Lord I would love to spend a few minutes with Abu , just to humiliate himself for eternity 🙂
dumbledoresarmy says
Y’know, this bloke’s rant sounds *exactly* like the vile postings of our nasty mohammedan dementor, rezali mehil.
Either this horrid abu waleed has been posting here under a nom de plume; or rezali mehil is one of his fans and watches his videos.
Or else it’s just that *both* of them, so eerily in lockstep, are showing us what Islam *is*; what submission to infernal ‘allah’ does to the human mind and soul.
durka` says
The UKIP should just play this tape on TV and see how the elections swing.
Asphix says
ROFLMAO…If that came to my house he wouldn’t be sleeping in my bed. He would be out with the dog trying to sleep in his….I know who is gonna win that arguement and it won’t be a pretty sight for the Islamist
Reality Check says
I have heard that sometimes the subjugated Christians were denied conversion because conversion meant that they would be freed of paying the jizya tax.
In the end, Muslims figured out that if all Christians converted to Islam, there would be nobody to work and feed their lazy asses.
So this imam is not telling the truth. They don’t want all of us to become Muslims – somebody has to work and pay them taxes for being different, after all.
The Levite says
Well that certainly was an interesting 4:23 of video…..I used to enjoy the Edgware Road, some shish at Maroush or something and having been bought up at the other end of it….
Pleased I dont live in London or the UK anymore although I do go back and was in that part of the Edgware Road eating just a couple of years ago….
I am Jewish but non observant, who due to recent circumstances has become very pro Israel and even considering returning to be more observant….I really dont understand how so many people cannot see the threat that Islam poses especially when there is so much proof and evidence…
I realize that in this blindness there is a great deal of support from thos who despise jews and wish to see the death of Israel….
Well I have fought anti jew hatred in various forms over the years both physically and more recently on the internet and this is one Jew who will most certainly fight on…..
Sencit says
Good for you TL, and God Bless Israel!
Myxlplik says
Muslims are such assholes no wonder everyone who could has fled the Middle East or any other place they hold dominion.
Lesson, don’t invite them in in the first place, unless you like living with jerks.
G179 says
With such sense of supremacism and entitlement, it is no wonder that so many muslims faced with the idea of equal rights to all people feel themselves oppressed .
Cindy Mccoy says
It is impossible to humiliate a true Christian into converting into islam. Our Savior was treated worse than we could ever be treated. and He said if the world would treat Him that way they will surely treat us that way. So it is impossible!!!!!! Praise God Almighty, the One True God, Jesus Christ!!!! There is no other god in heaven or on earth or under the earth. Jesus forever!!!! And one day every muslim will bow at the name of Jesus, and every tongue WILL confess that He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords
ApolloSpeaks says
Moslem to Christian: Shame on you you infidel scum for worshipping a God who has no jihad.
Christian to Moslem: If I killed you would you feel better about my religion and stop shaming me?
mark says
Most churches and Christians have been in favor of resisting Muslim violence with reciprocal violence. And anyone who cares for freedom and rights will take the same stand.
citycat says
I have been taken out of context, insulted no one, and have been falsely accused of believing stuff that is classed in with atheism. Atheist is not my label. Not god it means. Not to do with politics or any point of view on anything.
The Christians in England are not wised up to Islam like the other religions are.
I said some christians, not all christians.
Bezelel says
I understood where you were coming from on that and like I said,I appreciate your attempt to communicate. As a Christian it can be frustrating depending on the other Christian I am trying to talk to.We have a Constitution!!! LOL
gravenimage says
UK Muslim leader: Muslims should humiliate Christians so they’ll convert to Islam
……………………………….
Besides general sadism and Muslim supremacy, this is what reducing Infidels to oppressed dhimmitude *is for*.
This gives the lie to the Taqiyya that the Jizya is just like Zakat—the “Muslim leader” makes it very plain that Jizya and the other forms of dhimmitude are intended to humiliate the Kuffar and make his life unbearable.
Note, also, that most of the humiliation is aimed at Infidel men—the idea that their wives and children will not respect them because they have to take any humiliation or brutality dished out to them by Mohammedans.
Note, also, that they assume that all women and children will be attracted to the thuggery of Islam—*Ugh*.
But this *is* a large part of the reason that so many parts of the world are now largely Muslim—formerly Christian Anatolia (Turkey), the Mahgreb, and Levant; formerly Hindu and Buddhist Pakistan and Afghanistan; formerly Zoroastrian Iran—this humiliation of Infidels fueling conversion to the creed of their oppressors.
And this goes hand in bloody hand with kidnappings, forced conversions, expulsions, and out right mass murder in turning parts of the world into Dar-al-Islam.
And *this* is what Abu Waleed wants to do to civilized Britain…
andrew sapia says
What a piece of shit! You arrest paul Weston for offending these savages and yet this mother fucker can spout this hatred against non-Muslims with impunity. You Brits are fucking retarded.
somehistory says
These individuals are so very disgusting. If they truly believed that their pedo prophet was right, they would spend their time encouraging, nicely, others to learn all about him in order to believe also. But they know they must either force it by threats and violence, or by appealing to those who already wish to rape and kill.
This guy knows his belief is a bunch of hogwash, so has the idea that he will do these things to Christians so they will feel so abased, they will give up their hope, faith and love for all that is good and righteous in order to keep their clothing and their beds. But if not, then he gets better clothing and a nice clean bed for the night. And he ignorantly thinks the admiration of the wife who only feels disgust for him; and the admiration is for her husband for keeping his faith.
Christ was said not to have a place to lay his head. He evidently didn’t have a large wardrobe of clothes, but only the one outer garment and one inner garment.
Some were discussing the Scripture where Jesus said that if someone asks for the outer garment, give him also the inner garment as an argument for giving this muslim what he demands. This is a misapplication of what Jesus was saying. When the Pharisees came to Jesus and made demands upon Him, (‘tell us who sent you, and by whose authority you do these things, Jesus replied that they had to answer his question first), he refused to give in to their evil requests, explaining to them just what He saw in them (graves, dirty cups, snakes).
The Christian who lives in a muslim dominated land may be forced to give up whatever he has, he may give it up and still be killed. But the Christian who does not allow his faith to be destroyed, has a reward much greater than nice clothes and a warm bed awaiting him/her. If the Christian lives in a non-muslim dominant country, he is not obligated to open his door or invite the muslim in and give him his bed.
This muslim doesn’t understand true faith, nor love of what is right and true; therefore, he does not understand a Christian or his feelings for Jesus Christ nor the Father in heaven.
Champ ✿ says
Yes, I agree! …great comment, Somehistory!
somehistory says
Thanks, Champ. I always enjoy reading yours, but don’t always have time/circumstances to say so.
Boaz says
Well said. More worrying, however, are the Christians that don’t understand their faith nowadays-they don’t know who they are in Christ-and that is why many fall away from the faith. I’ve quoted Romans 13:1-7 here re Christian obligations, but many still just don’t get it. I quote verses like Philippians 3:8 and I am called a muslim, or just a divisive and hateful Christian. People don’t want to be confronted. Jesus held a mirror up to their twisted pathology and was killed for it….
From the beginning, God punishes people for turning away from Him. I have no doubt that that is what is happening now, as we barrel down the road to hell on earth. People myopically believe that our temporal suffering is the worst thing that can possibly happen to them. Satan revels in this deception! To deny that Jesus’ apostles died for a lie is suicidal. God has given us ample evidence of the supernatural and His miracles, not to mention Messianic prophecy confirmed by the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Rylands Library Papyrus P52 seals the deal. Of ALL the fragments that could’ve turned up, it was John 18….
Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.” – John 18:37
Game. Set. Match.
God bless.
somehistory says
Thank you, Boaz. Many has been the time people have misunderstood just how to give an answer to those who challenge their faith. And Jesus asked, “When the Son of Man arrives, will he really find the faith on the earth? (Luke 18)” During tribulation or trials, faith is tried and, if it stands, the person is strengthened as metal can be strengthened by fire. But if the individual has not built firmly, his faith can weaken when others persecute or even just misapply things the Bible says, esp if these things are said in order to trip him/her up.
I always recall that the devil misapplied Scripture when speaking to Jesus. Jesus had unyielding faith in His Father, knew the Scriptures, and replied accordingly. The devil then sent humans (Pharisees and others) to say things to weaken Jesus and thus thwart Him in carrying out His Father’s promises. When that didn’t work, persecution came.
It’s no different with us today. And people such as this muslim use every devil trick to make Christians give in. Unhappily some do.
Keep up the faith. Keep your eyes on the prize. The devil’s time is limited. And a “great crowd” will “come out of the great tribulation” alive. It’s a promise no one can take away.
Bezelel says
God grant me the serenity to accept the the things I cannot change,the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.
Geordie says
Enough of your preaching before I puke. Keep this up and you’ll be flying planes into buildings before you know it.
Bezelel says
Go ahead and puke. Whatever your issue with Christians comes from it is blurring your judgement. I didn’t address you with my comment and you have a choice not to read it. I have read some of yours and have determined that communication with you is pointless. I will not allow an insane keyboard bully to deter my comments to others. You do not control this board, you can’t even control yourself. If you are trying to promote atheism you are failing miserably. What you have done is expose yourself as a hateful bigot who has need to attack others to make yourself feel better about yourself. I smell a troll.
Christopher says
Please… I beg of you… muslim with a little m… try to force me to do anything ever. You will beg allah also with a tiny a to kill you just to stop the pain.
Jordan Pierce says
This is an individual living in a Christian country advocating violence and hatred toward the very people who allow him to live in their country. Cracking down on people like this is long overdue. This is getting way out of hand. Mosques must not be used to spread hatred and intolerance in this country. It is time to start enforcing the laws of the land and arrest people like this and give them a stay in our penal system.
Bezelel says
You made the very point of it all. The gov. is who is allowing islamic supremacists in to the country to start with. Then refusing to do their job of enforcing the Constitution. It is Criminal endangerment on their part. Arizona is still fighting the Feds for the right to enforce Constitutional law that the Feds are refusing too.
Kepha says
@Geordie. Go ahead and puke. It may be a healthy purge for your stomach. Then again, some probably feel you have been puking–all over them.