The fact that a Western country is inspecting religious books for being in line with democratic laws is a major breakthrough. We should all forward this example to relevant politicians in our country and ask them to check the Quran as well. I sent this letter to the editor today (you are welcome to use it):
Finland is going to examine whether a book by Jehovah’s Witnesses is in line with Finnish rule of law. I suggest that Finland and all other Western countries do the same with the Quran. Or do they not dare to?
From Yle:
On Friday, Finland’s Jehovah’s Witnesses will give their religious rule book to the Minister of Justice and the Minister of the Interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it’s in line with Finnish rule of law.
Jay Boo says
The Life of Muhammad
The restless Serpent of Satan Never Sleeps
He turns in his grave plotting deceits.
Islam loses all credibility from its beginning
Through the Life of Muhammad and his companions.
Many will disagree with these words.
They will say look at all that is written about Muhammad and Islam.
They will rightly claim that I have failed to list all of Muhammad’s many depravities.
Myxlplik says
Interesting, has anyone heard of a Jehovah’s Witness murdering anyone subsequent to the by laws in this manual? Ever hear a Jehovah’s Witness state they had to murder people to implement its laws? I never even knew it existed until I read this article.
Probably says they have to dress up and annoy people door to door all the time. It’s funny one time I told some Jehovah’s Witnesses who came to my door I was a true believer already, but then sent them to my aunt who was in “dire” need of saving. 🙂
Vincent Ambrose says
As a ‘former’ Jehovah’s witness, i can honestly say they have nothing but love & respect in their Hearts for Mankind, my only issue was the blood transfusion law. They are GOOD people, they even use Gods personal Name which is more than most religions do.
Tommo says
JW’s have destroyed families, caused mental breakdowns and control members with threats of isolation and damnation. They are a manipulative controlling religion who won’t salute the flag, stand for the national anthem or fight in the armed forces. Don’t expect any support from JW’s in our fight against Islamic supremism, they’re too busy following their warped view of Christianity.
bill says
Any religion which refuses their children blood transfusions ( there is no religious basis for this as blood transfusion was unknown in biblical times) and prefers to let them die. Or the Christian ‘scientists’
who refuse to let their children be treated by modern medicine and prefers to let them die, are affected by the same sort of mental illness/ lunacy as the radical Islamists
The MAD Jewess says
The JW’s visited me when I was sick in the hospital.
They are nice people.
Any sect of Christianity can become warped just like Judaism can–‘reform’=Communism
kikorikid says
Not real proud of this but I heard the
doorbell as I was stepping out of the
shower and, with a towel, went to the
Peephole and saw it was the omnipresent
JW. I just answered the door naked.
My porch broke out in “flusters”.
jewdog says
If Sharia is in force in Finland, then the Jehovah’s Witness bible will definitely be illegal.
Eileen says
The JW Bible is an award winning English translation with the only complaint being they put the name Jehovah in it. Checked that out online. While their Saturday morning door knocks are not appreciated by many as another posted they have never blow anyone up for their religion.
They seem an odd choice to investigate. Perhaps they have knocked on Muslims doors.
The MAD Jewess says
They’re nice people.
They have the ‘fruits.’
Whereas many ‘Christians’ AND ‘Jews’ do NOT.
MrIpe says
At least some time ago JWs opposed the divinity of Christ. In that sense they are like muslims.
Regards from Finland!
Edward Cline says
Actually, I’m opposed to a government making book inspections to see whether or not a particular book is compatible with a country’s laws. A country that has such a practice is on its way to becoming authoritarian (such as Germany, which has more or less banned “Mein Kampf”). What the government should be doing today is inspecting people who adhere to Islam, and denying them entry, because their creed would violate or be in conflict with a Western country’s laws. And if it lets them in, it must uphold its own laws, and not make exceptions for rape, wife-beating, female genital mutilation, underage marriage, murder, harassment of non-Muslims, and a host of other Koran-based and sanctioned depredations, because those practices are “religious custom” or based on Islamic “cultural nuances.” And if a country does make such exceptions, then it’s on its way to legalized looting and conquest by Muslims by invitation. Such as we’re seeing in the UK and Europe.
tprn says
well stated, thank you.
bill says
Any religion which refuses their children blood transfusions ( there is no religious basis for this as blood transfusion was unknown in biblical times) and prefers to let them die. Or the Christian ‘scientists’
who refuse to let their children be treated by modern medicine and prefers to let them die, are affected by the same sort of mental illness/ lunacy as the radical Islamists
John Shelley says
Hey Bill, children dont go to hospital everyday for a blood transfusion, JW’s are honest and peaceful biblical people. They are same bunch of regular guys who work as labor, clerk, fireman, engineers, doctor or whatever and still have time to wake up early on saturdays or sundays voluntarily to visit other people to give words from bible that would lift people’s spirit who is really low because of what’s going on with the world. Moreoever, there are alternative methods now rather than doing blood transfusion, just type it in your google, doctor’s are now doing surgery on major operations without doing blood transfusion and they thank JW’s on this. There are couple of hospitals now that specifically don’t do blood transfusions even for heart bypass, now the US Military is doing an advance study applying the bloodless method which they find very practical and safe when in combat or not in combat. Just think of this, blood transfusion does now always save life in fact it can also kill, but it is in your bible too and it is what God says “Abstain From Blood” Acts 15.20.
bill says
The Germans have very good reasons for banning Mein Kampf as neo Nazis and Nazi apologists are a problem there still. However it would be useful for people to read it to learn what self indulgent tedious nonsense it is. Hitler made millions from it as it was mandatory for every home to have one (unless one wanted to be looked on with suspicion) and copies were given away to newly weds. How many of the millions of copies were actually read is another matter
kikorikid says
Ed, Great post!
The two strategic concepts pushed by the Muslim Brotherhood
are “Civilization Jihad” and “Creeping Shariah”. Your post
is a good, pragmatic-descriptive definition of both.
Good job.
mark says
This is scary news. What happens in Europe eventually happens in North America. Bibles will one day be outlawed in the USA and Canada, I believe, maybe in a decade or so.
kikorikid says
I see great sport in the American Future.
It will be called, “Get the Shariah Compliance Patrol”.
No rules, inventive techniques get higher points.
Have fun kids!
Huckleberry Finn says
I’m a Finn (from Finland) and really like what Robert Spencer and y’all do for the community. what could I do to help my government realize the danger of Islam?
the internet says there’s not many Muslims in Finland, but weird that every day I see women in Hijabs. poor women… these hot summer days must be a burden, I bet
No Fear says
I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness until I was 21. They are pacifists. I never heard a violent word spoken at any gathering. They abide by all laws with a few exceptions. They pay taxes.
1. They will NOT fight in wars or do armed service.
2. They will not accept blood transfusions.
3. They do not celebrate Christmas and birthdays and do not support nationalism (won’t salute flags).
They are a nuisance knocking on doors but they are fairly harmless. They might not like secular western governments but they do NOT plot against the West.
Islam is way more dangerous to the West.
Myxlplik says
So a pointless gesture against pacifists…
Authorities are either setting a precedent, safely, on a group who doesn’t kill, or are cowards persecuting pacifists to make a show while the 2,000 gorilla (Islam) sits in the room smirking with a toothy grin.
The MAD Jewess says
If the JW’s are in America, they cant ALL move to Michiganistan.
Here in USSA, our problem is predominantly Communism
The MAD Jewess says
They’re nice people. They ACT like true Christians, feed the poor, visit elderly, they visited me when I was really sick/
Its up to those that meet with them to not become totally indoctrinated.
I have NO issue with them.
In fact, talking with them & having them as my friends has helped me (personally) deal with the liberal pigs.
citycat says
Koran is the heaviest.
The others are still heavy.
Check them all.
The books divide humanity.
Ditch the lot till the beast from the east is sorted.
Kepha says
This comes from someone who, if he respects JW’s as people, regards their religion as blasphemy against the Word become Flesh.
Congratulations, Finland. You’ve given Stalin and Kuusinen a postuhumus victory.
Censoring books to be sure they’re in line with “democratic laws” sounds just like the sort of Stalinist doublespeak we’d expect from people under the tutelage of the Great Father of the Peoples. I guess Finland’s very sorry that Mannerheim and Co. made Stalin think twice about making their country another Estonia for fifty years and exiling a big block of their population to the Siberian wastes.
Congratulations all you catspaws of 20th century totalitarianism who were misled to your deaths in Karelian snows by Papa Stalin’s purges of your best officers. You’ve liberated Finland after all.
kikorikid says
Yeah, a “Katyn Forest” type Liberation.
somehistory says
During Hitler’s rule in Germany, Jehovah’s Witnesses preached against what he was doing and many were imprisoned and killed by him through his concentration camps and pogroms. He called them a “brood” which he would *exterminate.* In the U.S. during WWI, some were jailed and books were banned. One of the banning of books in the U.S. was because the book advocated for Christ to rule over earth through God’s Kingdom and the government didn’t like that. Because for Christ to rule over the earth through God’s Kingdom means all human kings will have to resign or be taken out. The government didn’t like reading/hearing that.
Some years ago, a friend told me that when she was jailed in Texas (for going door to door while there was a ban on it), she had a 2 year old daughter and since the sheriff had no place to put the child while her parents were jailed, the child spent the time in the cell with her mom.
A lot of information can be found by searching the history of Jehovah’s Witnesses. As stated by others, they may be hated, but they don’t kill or advocate killing.
All religious groups have something that others do not like, with which they do not agree, do not understand, or the fact that it is a *religion* which places them in a category of disliked groups. But islam is in a category all by itself.
Smart Guy says
The problem with Jehovah’s Witnesses is that their founder was Charles Taze Russell, a 33rd level Freemason. Just as Mormons were founded by a mason so were the JW’s. Russell is buried in Pennnsylvania next to his grave is a 10ft high stone pyramid that was put there by the Watchtower Society. So why would a Christian church place a Pagan religious symbol such as a Freemasons pyramid next to their founder’s grave. So what is the purpose of demons running a Christian church that spends all its time studying the Bible? “The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
JW’s came from a meeting with Seventh Day Adventists yet another church founded by Freemasons. Mrs White and her husband are buried next to Freemason needles or pillars. One of the Seventh Day songs is “To the work, to the work.” JW’s would sing to the same music “From house to house , from door to door.” The purpose of the demon inspired adventism is to get good men to do nothing. JW’s are an Adventist type religion in which members are forbidden to engage in political activism. The Kingdom of God can only come into being if Christians engage in political activism. Refusing to engage in military service is not the same as refusing to vote. Our democracy comes from the English Civil War wereby Parliament defeated the Royalists. That victory by the Puritans who are now known as Congregationalists led the way to the founding of America it was Oliver Cromwell who wrote a Constitution for England in which he wrote “The right of Protestants to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed.” Now the world we live in is ruled by the sword.
“It is not without purpose that the superior authorities bear the sword, for they are God’s ministers.” Well back in about 1650 us Protestants became the superior authorities. In our time have we given that authority over to people who are not even Christians? Such as Obama? According to the Revelation a Christian is forbidden to fight for any country not led by a Christian. The early Catholic church would excommunicate anyone who would bow down to the Pagan Roman Empire. Freemasons hate Christianity, the KKK and the buring cross was the work of Freemasons, the buring cross symbolized their hatred of Christianity. Law and order came to the wild west through the vigilanties.
Refusing to vote or join the posse or do jury duty, is irresponsible citizenship.
Calling the world evil and saying that it is ruled by the devil is one thing but refusing to fight evil makes one a passive supporter of evil. So in conclusion Jehovah’s Witnesses have to be classified and an evil church.
“The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing”
Adnan says
I am from Muslim background and I read Jehovah’s witness leaflets and little books, they always have a nice things to say about the nature and God and I learn many things from those books which I didn’t know before, my western friends don’t read they look down. When I speak with my western friends about Islamic Ideology and culture they never listen to me they put the conversation a side and say “all religions are the same” even they never read the Quran or the Bible or the Torah or anything they still put everything in the same boat. I think a lot of westerners “Europeans” under the age of 50 are lazy they don’t want to read about religion or culture or anything they are into political correctness and having a good time.
Bezelel says
The mental condition of the under 50 crowd that you described has been summed up as “contempt prior to investigation”. A Rabbi said that, historically, when ever technology makes advances spirituality takes a back seat. “The nature of God” is a major difference in those who do believe there is a God and I am glad you mentioned that. I have not studied JW’s book,but they do not have a reputation for causing trouble.The commenter above who made ugly comments about the JW’s and the Christian Scientists as well has probably extremely limited information about either one. I have studied the Christian Science book called “Science and Health with Keys to the Scriptures” and have heard the claims against them refusing medical treatment for children. So I had to get past my own “contempt prior to investigation” in order to see what was in it. No where in the book does it imply a penalty for using medicine. They have the approval of the CDC and stress and I mean stress the Loving Nature of God. To any one who reads it they will understand the absolute futility of forced conversion. That true conversion is a process that takes willingness from each and every individual to strive to understand the Loving Nature of God and how best to relate to God.There are similar efforts in other religions that share agreement on the “Universal Spiritual Principals” that extend to people who have no knowledge of or desire to learn or practice.
dumbledoresarmy says
Bottom line: JWs don’t kill their apostates, and they won’t come back to kill you or enslave you, if you politely say “No” when they call.
Muslims, on the other hand, are supposed to kill – and often *do* kill – anyone who tries to leave their religion of blood and war; and if they present to you the “call to Islam”, then if you refuse to become a Muslim, *or* refuse to become a dhimmi, they feel entitled to turn round and *attack* you.
Lee Roy says
The Jehovah’s witnesses read and teach the bible… That’s it. Any books, leaflets etc… That they distribute are only to help show the bibles true meaning, and is always backed up with quotes from the bible.
So they are guilty of spreading the truth about the bible. Wow!
You don’t have to believe in god or the bible, but at least it’s nice to hear the true meaning of the bible from the Jehovah’s witnesses.
gabe says
JEHOVAH WITNESSES WILL NOW BE FORCED TO STOP SHUNNING Jehovah wins
Joheun Chingu says
I’m sure JW definitely check out the Quran as well. because they will definitely follow the instructions in the Bible verse 1 John 4 :1 “to test every inspired statements” (http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/E/2013/62/4#h=17:0-18:0)
I think they may not use the Quran as found many contradictions in it.
and I’m sure they definitely do not want to declare their general findings because their purpose is to preach the good news and talk the same expectation of the Kingdom of GOD that I could also show the verse in the Quran.
indeed when I read the Quran. I have found within it much contradiction. And as Annisa 82 said if too much contradiction is not from GOD (http://quran.com/4/82)
you can ask me directly via email about the verses that contradict each other.
but I think it is better you ask me the verses that explain the truth of the promise and hope of the Kingdom of GOD in the future contained in the Quran. And things are clearly stated servant GOD will not reply much less take up arms and fight. Because Muslims means Peace Love and Islam means submits himself to GOD.
I’m not the one of JW for now but hope someday I can join with them.