This will not endear them to many Muslims. The Saudis themselves, who are no friends of The Islamic State, assiduously destroy religious artifacts in a bid to prevent “idolatry,” but since Muhammad himself is — according to Islamic tradition — supposed to have prayed in the Kaaba, they have not dared to touch it. Will an irresistible force here meet an immovable object? Muslims must reject and destroy all possible temptations to idolatry, and also must follow Muhammad’s example in all things. Can the Kaaba ipso facto not be an inducement to idolatry because Muhammad prayed there? Or must it be destroyed despite Muhammad’s example so as to prevent the worship of stones? Are Muslims to follow Muhammad in all things or are they to destroy all sources of idolatry? Can’t do both in this case! This will be interesting to watch.
“ISIS: We will ruin the Kaaba after capturing Saudi Arabia,” APA, June 30, 2014 (thanks to Tabitha):
Baku. Rashad Suleymanov – APA. Representatives of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) stated that they will ruin the Kaaba after capturing Saudi Arabia.
APA reports quoting Turkish media that ISIS wants to take control of Arar city of Saudi Arabia and start operations here.
ISIS member Abu Turab Al Mugaddasi said that they would destroy the Kaaba in Mecca: “If Allah wills, we will kill those who worship stones in Mecca and destroy the Kaaba. People go to Mecca to touch the stones, not for Allah.”
Islam_Macht_Frei says
Destroy the Kabaa? I guess it’s more evidence for the theory that even the most evil people can have good qualities…..
Fr. Basil says
Destroy the Kaaba? Go for it!
Charli Main says
I recommend that they hone their skills at Kaaba destruction by pounding to rubble that vile Muslim obscenity desecrating the Temple Mount.
xyz says
hahah.. good job kill each other..
john spielman says
WOW! Islam is more divided than even I thought. Guess it’s time to sell my stock in the Mecca Clock Tower hotel complex across the street from the Kaaba. (sarc)
Why dont we just give them a nuke tip cruise missle that’s programmed only to target the Kaaba in Mecca and let THEM finish off Islam !
jihad3tracker says
Hello John — You made the point I was trying to ( about division ) but in a shorter way…
Please let me stick a fascinating vid here, by the superb David Wood, posted last December on his blog — Answering Muslims.
Here’s a hotlink ( crossed fingers that it leads right to the post )…
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2013/12/inside-kaaba.html
MrIpe says
That was an awesome video, worth of seeing by every muslim!
shrugger says
For some reason. I’m utterly unable to bring myself to a state of caring.
duh_swami says
It’s been done before. I read somewhere that the Ka’aba has been destroyed some 60 times, often by nature but sometimes by invading hostiles.
John C. Barile says
I see this Azerbaijani newspaper report, quoting Turkish sources, as a sign of conventional Islam’s push-back against the Islamic State’s uber-puritanical onslaught.
Jay Boo says
A Dilema
Islamic double-speak ties itself up with threats and passive aggressive self-loathing.
jihad3tracker says
Robert Spencer is the resident expert here at JW, and if he says “This will be interesting to watch.”, we can be downright sure that is true and probably an understatement.
The success of ISIS reminds me of a wise cautionary : Be careful what you wish for… you might get it. Saudis of course use the caution of deep dollars, but dirt poor fighters have no such luxury… they must get things done fast.
The entire world now has a clear view of victorious Islam’s consequences.
The fact that it relates to Sunni versus Shia mutual hatred is secondary IMHO to the actual behavior and methods Muslims use to prevail — destruction and death, in the glorious style of the prophet himself.
7th Century methods frozen in time but with modern weapons.
Softly Bob says
I don’t believe that ISIS ever said this. I heard it was just a rumour put out by the Saudis to stifle Muslim support for ISIS.
There is no way that any devout (lunatic) Muslim would ever want ton see the Ka’aba destroyed. The Ka’aba has been destroyed in the past but only because of attempts to steal the Black Stone and move it elsewhere which ended up in the usual wreckless Muslim fisticuffs.
Sakuri says
Indeed, extremely hard to believe. A Saudi plot sounds more believable.
john spielman says
the Wahabbite SAUDI regime has destroyed most of the muslim shrines erecterd under the Ottoman rule and the kissing the BLARNEY STONE (KAABA STONE) I mean, could be looked at as idolotry.
Reality Check says
Whatever the origin of the statement, I am glad to see them so divided.
Jack Diamond says
It may be because of Islamic eschatology about the Mahdi and End Times. Al-Baghdadi seems to be styling himself not only as caliph but the last caliph, the Mahdi. Walid Shoebat wrote an interesting piece, not only about the spiritual importance of Syria (the Mahdi’s first capital, where the Devil will be defeated, where Jesus–the Muslim Jesus- will return) but the reason the Mahdi rules in Jerusalem is because Mecca is no more:
“Abdul Rahman al-Wahabi in the The Day of Wrath states:
“The final battle will be waged by Muslim faithful coming on the backs of horses…carrying black banners. They will stand on the East side of the Jordan River and will wage war that the earth has never seen before. The true Messiah who is the Islamic Mahdi will defeat Europe, will lead this army of Seljuks [Turks]. He will preside over the world from Jerusalem because Mecca would have been destroyed.”
So, somebody has got to do it! This is another reason why ISIS/IS would attack Jordan, too, so they can war against Israel from the East to fulfill prophecy (well, someday). Al-Baghdadi has changed his name to reflect his Muhammadan bona fides, as required for the Mahdi. Caliph Abdullah (he has to carry one of Muhammad’s names); ibn Muhammad of Quraysh (he must be descended from Fatima, which he claims –“the Prophet said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah [one of Muhammad’s wives].” (Al-Sirah al-Halabiyyah, v3, p61). Anyway, he seems to be positioning himself (contorting himself) for such a claim because these prophecies are taken very seriously by Muslims who believe in the coming of the All-Conquering hero. And if Al-Big Daddy is not the guy, someone else will surely claim to be until they get it right. It’s another angle to the unfolding story.
The only Islamic prophecy I choose to believe in is this one: “Faith will crawl back to the Madina like a snake crawls back to its hole. By Him who holds my soul in His hand, people will leave their religion in throngs just as they entered it in throngs. Islam will crawl back to the land of Hejaz like a snake crawls back to its hole, or like a herd of wild goats huddling on top of a mountain … Islam began a stranger and will return a stranger.”
Jack Diamond says
and Lebanon?
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/isis-declares-war-lebanon
David says
I salute the wag in 1674 who smeared it with faeces.
In 1674, according to Johann Ludwig Burckhardt, someone smeared the Black Stone with excrement so that “every one who kissed it retired with a sullied beard”. The Shi’ite Persians were suspected of being responsible and were the target of curses from other Muslims for centuries afterwards, though explorer Sir Richard Francis Burton doubted that they were the culprits; he attributed the act to “some Jew or Greek, who risked his life to gratify a furious bigotry.”[23]
Jay Boo says
They have a point
Muhammad was a (stone worshipping) hypocrite and (satanic verse quoting) false prophet who conjured up evil spirits using plagiarisms and despicable lies.
zulu says
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jihad3tracker says
As an old guy who has seen plenty of unexpected twists and turns in world events, I have to call this current situation completely astonishing in terms of speed.
Yes, there are plenty of ways for ISIS to screw themselves up, but the basic UNKNOWABLE FUTURE COURSE OF THIS seems to be solid enough for regional anxiety. With its spread to areas beyond the immediate Mid-East — especially the EU.
Followed by unstable markets… Followed by commodity and resource price instability. Followed by panic. And so on.
Laugh at me if you want to — but I am putting “on hold” the intention to buy a car. I am also keeping my personal defense arsenal tuned up, with a check of survival supplies.
mariam rove says
Laugh at me if you want to — but I am putting “on hold” the intention to buy a car. I am also keeping my personal defense arsenal tuned up, with a check of survival supplies.
Not laughing, but go ahead by a car!!!!
John C. Barile says
I need my car to head for the boondocks or the border come catastrophe or civil disorder.
John C. Barile says
I need my car to head for the boondocks or the border come catastrophe or civil disorder.
Gene says
“APA reports quoting Turkish media”
This doesn’t sound right. These people are evil and not particularly smart, but I’m not sure I would trust the Turkish media on this one. I think the Turks have a vest interest in preventing ISIS from spilling over into Turkey.
voegelinian says
Islam has been divided since day one. Nothing new here. Other factors surrounding this SOSO (Same Old Same Old — ISIS should change their acromoniker to that) may be new (like the fact that their enemy while a million times stronger and more sophisticated then them is simultaneously using all its strength and sophisticated to handicap itself rather than fight them); but not Islam or Muslims per se.
voegelinian says
lapsus teclensis: “strength and sophistication”
Haven’t had my morning Jihadaccino yet…
mariam rove says
Calipha!! This is about the best news!!!!! Now even more so they will be killing each other off!!!!! M
artie Galcin says
Violence, violence and more and more violence. Where is this so called peace we keep hearing about. It’s all Bull Crap.
Aardvark says
Islam is the Religion of Peace in the same way that Little John was a dwarf…
Jay Boo says
Ramadan Rats infest the Kaaba
There is the seeping awareness that each and every neighbor and even one’s own family members delights with orgasmic fantasies of having the opportunity to Ramadan-rat out someone for failing to follow Islam properly.
These (Ramadan Rats) return year after year and lacking a Pied Piper, Muslims are forced to live in fear.
The day begins with a (Call to prayer … AKA ‘Choking the Rooster’)
We in the West can only imagine what it must be like to live in a country where every single morning one wakes up with the hideous ‘CHOKING THE ROOSTER’ sound of a ‘call to FEAR’.
Walter Sieruk says
A claim by Islamic scholars as well as jihadists is that no one can produce something as beautiful as the Quran in the way the words are arranged and thus it can only be of God. This claim should be answered.
First, all someone has to do is examine some of the great works of literature to fine much written beauty. Such as the Greek epic poet Homer with his Iliad and Odyssey and then Virgil who produced the Aeneid has beauty. Even one of the non-Bible books in the Apocrypha called The Song of Three Children is also very beautiful. Thus just because someone sees a work that is written in great beauty doesn’t mean it’s inspired by God.
Second, the scholar Edward Gibbon wrote after an examination of the Quran that it is an “incoherent jumble of fable and precept and declamation which seldom excites a sentiment or an idea, sometimes craws in the dust and is sometimes lost in the clouds…” The writer Thomas Carlyle wrote the Quran is “A wearisome jumble, crude, incondite [with] endless iterations [and] longwindedness…” Likewise, the philosopher David Hume was NOT favorably impressed after reading the Quran.
[Source of the three scholars mentioned – Secrets of The Koran: Revealing Insight Into Islam’s Holy Book .56,66, by Don Richardson]
Furthermore, the following should be taken into consideration.
Of course the Muslim who reads the Quran will see great beauty in the way the words are arranged. This is, in part, because of the power of suggestion after being told so many times that the Quran is so beautifully written. That’s an old brainwashing method, repeating and being told that same thing again and again. Since he or she is always being told the same lie will end up believing that lie. In addition to that, the Imams try to discourage their people from reading other works, such as the Bible, so then they don’t have much or anything to compare or contrast the Quran with. Of course there are some Muslim’s that do read other works, but they are exceptions and they read other things only after they were already brainwashed by the Imams. In short, the Muslims can’t read the Quran objectively because their Imams have programmed them to have a strong bias towards it.
joeb says
I’ve said before on here I’d quite like to see the kaaba on one of those fuzzy, b&w cockpit crosshair videos, or the nosecone camera of a cruise missile as it closes in, then the picture turns into noise.
but I’ll settle for less than that.
John Duffin says
Somebody get me a bowl of popcorn!
Adeela says
It amazes me how all of anti-Islam people put forth such vague statements without actually knowing true Islam. The word itself means peace, then how could it possible spread fear. Islam never, in it’s history killed anyone in order to spread or destroy faith. Jihad was fought as an act of self-defense when Muslims were being brutally persecuted. I urge that you study Islamic history yourself, as opposed to seconding what you hear from people. Think about this, how many Christians in the world actually practice the true teachings of Jesus Christ? People of all religions have manipulated true teachings, but that does not at all mean that what they now practice is what the religion really teaches.
For more info visit: Alislam.org
Champ says
“Adeela” is a bald-faced LIAR! Take your nonsense-poopaganda and get lost …
The truth about islam and company is what Robert Spencer provides …not what “Adeela” is trying to sell here.
CogitoErgoSum says
Oh, Adeela! I can feel my blood pressure rising! As Philip pointed out to you above, the word “Islam” does NOT mean “peace.” The word “Islam” means “submission.” Submission, submission, SUBMISSION!!!! Get that into your head. Have YOU studied Islamic history and not learned that??? Either someone has been lying to you….or you are lying to us. Islam means submission and a Muslim is one who submits. Commit that to memory…and get a broader view of world history while you are at it.
Angemon says
Adeela posted:
“Jihad was fought as an act of self-defense when Muslims were being brutally persecuted. I urge that you study Islamic history yourself, as opposed to seconding what you hear from people.”
Ignorant dumbass. How about you take a nice big cup of STFU then follow it with a nice, hot cup of “practice what you preach”? One of the perks of being the caliph is to be able to declare offensive jihad, and if you were to look through European history then you’d surely notice the cause-effect of appointment of a new caliph by the Ottoman Empire and jihad against Europe.
“People of all religions have manipulated true teachings, but that does not at all mean that what they now practice is what the religion really teaches.
For more info visit: Alislam.org”
How are you able to breathe under all that irony? alislam.org is a hamadi website, and ahmadi are branded as heretics and persecuted by orthodox muslim, and yet you stand here telling us how peaceful islam is? Are you a non-ahmadi trying to cash-in on ahmadi’s view of islam? Trying to pretend that the teachings of a sect persecuted as heretics are what mainstream islamic sects are all about? That’s a rethorical question BTW, i doubt you’ll ever set foot on this topic (let alone site) after dropping your steaming pile of taqyyia (at least going by that screen-name).
But if i’m wrong and you do show up your face around here again then explain us how ahmadis are right and how sunni and shia are wrong. Not “go to this website for more info”. You’re telling us that we’re wrong, the least you can do is to prove it by your own words.
“Oh, you guys are anti-islam, islam means peace, jihad is just self-defense, go learn about islamic history and find that out by yourselves”. Ignorant dumbass, parroting easily debunkable lies. I hope his paycheck matches the quality of his propaganda work – utter crap.
Kepha says
Given what happened to the first Khalifas , I don’t think that this new guy claiming to be Khalifa is likely to die peacefully in bed, nor do I think he’ll live very long. Lest any conspiracy-monger think I’m a front for the CIA or something like that, I’m basing my predictions on the generally unsettled situation any revolution engenders, and on the volatility of Islamic politics. After all, at least three of the original Khalifas (by Sunni reckoning) were assassinated.
Richie says
Time to break out the popcorn!
Guy Macher says
We should save our powder until they’ve beatrn each other to a pulp.
BC says
Wait a minute, if the Calip-hate is going to attack Saudi Arabia and the US has defence agreements with SA is the US going to go to war to save SA?
BC says
This confirms the insanity of these people. They are so consumed by fanaticism that they think they can rule the world. When they come up against a real army they will get a wake up call.
Freddy Cougar says
Go for it, destroy the Kaaba. Pagans worshiped it long before the Islamists did. I think it is Allah’a will.
sidney penny says
” Are Muslims to follow Muhammad in all things or are they to destroy all sources of idolatry? Can’t do both in this case! This will be interesting to watch.”
Saudis will not let it be destroyed.
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/is-the-kaaba-an-ancient-hindu-shiva-temple-confiscated-by-mohammed/
Is Kaaba an ancient Hindu Shiva Temple confiscated by Muhammad during raids?
Suspended donkey says
Its not possible to destroy the kaaba easly, some groups claimed that they are going to destroy kaaba, its not a easy job for them. SA is a very strong country with US support, then how they can enter to Mecca all the way from Syria ( all the way are desert ) one or two helicopter can destroy these people I mean ISIS’s.
Adil says
My dear frnds, in Islam our prophet told us that plz respect all the religious and their believer. And Islam teach us peace not war. Islam said don’t harm people of other religious. And terrorists doesn’t have any religious.
Angemon says
Adil posted:
“My dear frnds, in Islam our prophet told us that plz respect all the religious and their believer. And Islam teach us peace not war. Islam said don’t harm people of other religious”
quran 2:98
“[…]Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.”
98:6
“Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures. ”
47:4
“So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives).”
48:29
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. ”
Careful Adil, in some muslim countries what you said could get you in jail, or worse…