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“Middle East security analyst”: rise of global jihad “has nothing to do with Islam”

Jun 25, 2014 7:13 pm By Robert Spencer

AndreasKreigHow could a “radical interpretation of Islam” have “nothing to do with the religion”? How is it that these groups that uniformly explain and justify their actions on the basis of Islam have nothing to do with Islam? How is it that a group that calls itself the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant and another that calls itself the Congregation of the People of the Sunnah for Dawah and Jihad have nothing to do with Islam? Why is it that study after study has shown that jihadis are actually generally wealthier than their peers, and yet Krieg asserts that the jihadis are “disillusioned by austerity” and thus turn to Islam?

Why is it that this palpable nonsense gets printed in the mainstream media without a murmur of dissent? Why is only Krieg quoted and no one who looks at the available evidence and says that the rise of the global jihad has everything to do with Islam? Why does the ever-witless Daily Mail not ask Krieg to give anything more than the barest explanation for his counterfactual claims? Why does the mainstream media always rush to exonerate Islam of all responsibility for the ever-mounting number of atrocities done in its name and inspired by its texts and teachings, instead of confronting the ideology that jihadis say motivates and inspires them and formulating positive and effective ways to limit its power to incite to violence?

I’d love to debate Andreas Krieg about this question. But I am sure that he would refuse to do so.

“From Syria to Iraq, Kenya to Malaysia: How new era of Islamic fundamentalism is spreading fear and chaos around the world,” by Simon Tomlinson, Daily Mail, June 25, 2014 (thanks to Adam):

Andreas Kreig [sic], a Middle East security analyst at King’s College London in Qatar, said he had noticed a rise in extremism in recent weeks and months, but said Islam wasn’t to blame.

He told MailOnline: ‘All the empirical evidence shows that it is on the rise. You’re seeing it in all the headlines, then you’re looking at Iraq, you’re looking at Syria, you’re looking at Nigeria.

‘But in all three cases this has nothing to do with Islam. I think people in the West may think it is because they feel alienated by Islam. There is alot [sic] of Islamaphobia.’

Mr Kreig [sic] said more and more communities – often disillusioned by austerity or other grievances – have turned to religious groups as an alternative to secular regimes in recent years.

He said: ‘When communities become disenfranchised – and lot of them are muslim – they use Islam to further their particular cause.

‘They adhere to a radical interpretation of Islam, but it has nothing to do with the religion.’

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  1. John C. Barile says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    Of course, Mr. Krieg’s Qatari hosts provide him with the right data and assessment of events.

    • umbra says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 8:04 pm

      Evidently his qatari host also provided a replacement brain for him to use.

  2. Louise from Canada says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    What a stupid but stupid foolish liar!

  3. mortimer says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    Andreas Kreig will lose all credibility with remarks like this. Kreig is a fabulist, a storyteller and a minstrel for the Saudis who are trying to cover their tracks away from the JIHADISM their great-great-great-great grandfathers espoused. What is Wahhabism, but a jihadist philosophy of purifying Islam and the world through violence?

    The Saudis now try to convince the Islamic world that only a GOVERNMENT may declare jihad, when Mohammed CLEARLY ENCOURAGED individuals to make SELF-DIRECTED JIHAD against their ‘near enemies’.

    Kreig’s remarks make one wonder if he has even read the Sira and hadiths concerning jihad or whether he is acquainted with the canonical scholars of the consensus. Kreig apparently has chosen to pass on the Saudi government propaganda which those in ISIS know is heresy.

    Kreig is passing on a heretical version of Islam without even realizing it. Some scholar! His Ph.D. directors need to send him back to read the Sira and hadiths.

    Islamism is

    • bukkdem Jizheads says

      Jun 26, 2014 at 12:58 pm

      If he can’t associate violence with Islam, can he associate it with polygamy breeding excess male cannon fodder? Can he associate it with alarming amount of inbreeding caused by consanguineous marriages exceeding 50% in some countries? These are scientific facts which contribute to psychopathic behavior. And only Muslims practice these.

  4. Angemon says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    “‘They adhere to a radical interpretation of Islam, but it has nothing to do with the religion.’”

    The same way that the flour, eggs, peanut butter and sugar mixed according to the instructions has nothing to do with the peanut butter cookies i had for breakfast or that the throat cancer my uncle died from had nothing to do with the pack of cigarettes he smoked daily for over 20 years.

    “Andreas Kreig, a Middle East security analyst at King’s College London in Qatar”

    Hey, look who’s signing his paychecks from! It’s like having a doctor payed by a tobacco company telling us that there’s no connection between cigarettes and some types of cancer! Dumbass sell-out.

    • Twostellas says

      Jun 26, 2014 at 5:43 pm

      Great analogy. Paid spokesliars.

  5. Wellington says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Is that Krieg in the photograph? I ask because such a countenance exhibits either wisdom or foolishness——-no in between. I’d be bettin’ on the latter but I’d like to know for certain if this is the overeducated doofus who is the subject of this article.

    • PGuud says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 11:28 pm

      It’s likely that he is dissembling. He has to, if he wants to keep his job; most importantly, if he wants to live. I’m sure that the brutal murder of Ambassador Stevens is a permanent reminder: “Tow the line, or else!”

      But that’s not to excuse him.

      The truth is an antivenin to Islam. The world needs more truth-tellers.

      Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

      • Champ says

        Jun 25, 2014 at 11:38 pm

        “The truth is an antivenin to Islam.”

        Bravo, PGuud! …I sure like that one!

        And I agree ..the world does need more truth-tellers.

        🙂

        • PGuud says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 1:07 am

          Thank you, Champ.

          I hope that you’re doing well. 🙂

      • PJG says

        Jun 26, 2014 at 8:12 am

        It’s “toe the line”. Sorry, can’t help myself. English teacher at heart.

        • PGuud says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 5:58 pm

          Sorry, can’t help myself.

          No need to apologize. “Toe” is accurate to its origin/history. “Tow” is the bastardized variation.

          Certainly, you are correct.

          I appreciate the nudge.

          Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

      • Twostellas says

        Jun 26, 2014 at 6:09 pm

        Losing or selling your soul isn’t a pretty thing. This man is lost. He’s told himself the lie enough times, it’s probably became very easy and natural. How easy it is to lose something so valuable. He probably even thinks he’s doing something good. Smh. I often think the worst thing about Islam is not the physical atrocities, but the loss of souls, of those who would make the world a better place, of the artists, thinkers, futurists, musicians, people who could bring beauty to the world, courage, innovation for humanity, something Islam seriously discourages and it raises hate in the Islamist’s heart to tolerate such people, they feel compelled to kill them and/or their spirit. Those who have lost these things to Islam have lost much more than a body. It’s a travesty. This is something the left cannot comprehend with their ‘multicultural’ ignorance and their knee-jerk defense of Islam. Talk about slippery slope. They can’t see that those who oppose Islam and its cultural and political influence on the spirit of Muslims and the destruction of non Muslims is a much deeper problem than suicide bombing and raids of murder. Those who justifiably oppose its current influence believe in the right of all people to live in freedom, we are the true progressives.

  6. Jeff says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    Definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

    • umbra says

      Jun 26, 2014 at 5:25 am

      He is doing the Tugg Speedman.

  7. mortimer says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    …Islamism is Islam!

    Though there is a rejection of foundational Islam by thinkers and intellectuals who seek to reinterpret Islam in the light of modernity, they in turn are labelled with being heretics, apostates or deviationists by the jihadists.

    Islamism is not a caricature, nor a counterfeit, nor a heresy, nor a fringe nor an atypical phenomenon versus classical, orthodox, Sunnite Islam.

    To the contrary, Islamism is naked Islam, Islam without a mask and without paint, Islam perfectly consistent and true to itself, an Islam that has the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications.

    Mr. Krieg, Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower and as the tree is present in the seed.

    Islamism is political Islam, the bearer of a project for a model society and whose aim is to establish a theocratic state based on Sharia, the only legitimate law—since it is divine—since it was revealed and enshrined in the Koran and Sunna—it’s a law that applies to everything.

    Here is an all-inclusive and all-encompassing project, one that is total, totalizing and totalitarian.

    Islam is at once a religion, a state and a society—din wa dawla.

    And so it has been since its very distant origins.

  8. Silvia says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    “analyst at King’s College London in Qatar”

    Stopped reading after that.

    • Wellington says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 8:33 pm

      Sound point. Actually, an insuperable one.

  9. awake says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    Mr. Kreig is either a Muslim, who is intentionally employing taqqiya, or an Islam apologist being paid to employ taqqiya.

    There is no third alternative. He cannot be an unwittingly duped dhimmi, with his heart in the right place, but his mind incapable to comprehend the illogical premise he purports.

  10. BLOODFART says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    How much is he getting paid for this lie????

  11. AngloJew says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    I’ve noticed recently, including on a debate on BBC Question time on this issue recently, that Muslims (and their apologists) claim no link between Islam and Islamism yet any criticism of Islamism is met with accusations of Islamophobia.

  12. James Foard says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    I wouldn’t call the Daily Mail “ever witless”. They have actually done a rather decent job, in fact a stand up job reporting on Islamic terrorism around the world. I complement them on it. They have done extensive coverage on Miriam Ibrahim’s situation, much more than the lame stream media has, and have also covered other stories, like the IRS scandal, that the lame stream networks have tried their best to cover up. The Daily Mail is not perfect, but I go to it for a lot of my information on the global terrorist threat.

    • JIMJFOX says

      Jun 26, 2014 at 5:27 am

      I agree; also the Telegraph and the Express are beginning to tell it like it is- at LONG last. Plaudits to the Mail. (Interestingly, if you read the Mail, that makes you an islamophobe)

      • James Foard says

        Jun 28, 2014 at 1:05 am

        The enemy of Islam is my friend. We should join hands with all counter jihadists, across borders, across religions; Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Protestant, Catholic (good luck with that one), Orthodox – this is a global menace that is as dangerous as an asteroid strike. We need to be reaching across the sea to other countries through NGO’s (non government organizations), since our own United States government is apparently in a state of apoplexy regarding Islam, or worse, in active participation with it. This is very serious, it will affect generations worldwide decades, centuries after we have passed from the scene unless we do something about it now. We need to start forming committees to discuss this, as Mr. Spencer and Ms. Gellar have done so well and so admirably.
        We need to bypass the government, not in any armed revolution sort of way, but in reaching out and forming organizations in a local community level and also on a worldwide scale through communication, seminars, and strategy. Our government has failed in this most important of all tasks, in fact, has betrayed us and our future generations to the Islamic horde. We need to pray, and fast, and repent, and turn to God, and then develop a plan of action. God bless, God help us in this endeavor.

  13. Thomas says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Well, I heard the phrase, “islam is a religion of peace”, yet again on fox news, with a hesitation before the word peace. No-one who is informed is buying that crap any more. Problem is IMHO, over 50% of the people are either too stupid or don’t pay any attention and they believe it.

    If and when we finally admit that islam is the root cause for terrorism, then maybe we can get down to destroying it once and for all. We need to go after islam like we did the nazis in WWII. An all out war against islam. Close down all mosques, deport anyone who worships the warlord and his book, and just destroy the evil cult once and for all. Am I being to harsh here?

  14. Champ says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    Great, another analyst trained in islamic doublespeak …

  15. VLParker says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    Where do these idiots come from and how do they get their jobs?

  16. sidney penny says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    “He (Andreas Kreig) said: ‘When communities become disenfranchised – and lot of them are muslim – they use Islam to further their particular cause.”

    A lot of non muslim communities become disenfranchised all around the world.They do not resort to violence,kidnapping and terrorism.

    “I’d love to debate Andreas Kreig about this question. But I am sure that he would refuse to do so.”

    Maybe he won’t because he is in Qatar

  17. gravenimage says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    “Middle East security analyst”: rise of global jihad “has nothing to do with Islam”
    …………………………….

    Normally I would consider it at least somewhat heartening to find someone using the term “Jihad”—but this just shows the depth of denial, when someone can say *Jihad*—an entirely Islamic concept, has “nothing to do with Islam”.

    More:

    Andreas Kreig, a Middle East security analyst at King’s College London in Qatar, said he had noticed a rise in extremism in recent weeks and months, but said Islam wasn’t to blame.
    …………………………….

    In *Qatar*? Bought and paid for…

    More:

    He told MailOnline: ‘All the empirical evidence shows that it is on the rise. You’re seeing it in all the headlines, then you’re looking at Iraq, you’re looking at Syria, you’re looking at Nigeria.

    ‘But in all three cases this has nothing to do with Islam. I think people in the West may think it is because they feel alienated by Islam. There is alot [sic] of Islamaphobia.’
    …………………………….

    Yup—concerned over the mass kidnapping and rape of girls as young as twelve? Bothered by thugs lining the streets of a major city *with decapitated heads*? Must be “Islamophobia”…sarc/off

    More:

    Mr Kreig said more and more communities – often disillusioned by austerity or other grievances – have turned to religious groups as an alternative to secular regimes in recent years.
    …………………………….

    What crap—Syria and Iraq (especially the latter with that great infusion of American aid) have actually been fairly prosperous by Muslim standards.

    Nigeria actually has a higher GDP than South Africa. It may not be evenly distributed, but this is a very well-off country by African standards.

    And while some of these “grievances” are Sunni/Shi’ite, most of them simply have to do with the “grievance” that Islam isn’t fully implemented.

    More:

    “They adhere to a radical interpretation of Islam, but it has nothing to do with the religion.”

    What? So Islam has nothing to do with Islam, radical interpretation or otherwise?
    …………………………….

    Pretzel words…

    And someone *might* be able to make this argument if this were one group, or even a few groups—but this is happening over much of the Muslim world, as well as in Dar-al-Harb wherever there is a large enough population of Muslims.

    It is, in fact, virtually universal in Islam.

    Here’s more from Andreas Kreig, where he simultaneously seems to recognize and be completely in denial over the Islamic nature of the “Arab Spring”:

    http://www.academia.edu/5002348/Will_Todays_Freedom_Fighter_be_Tomorrows_Jihadist

    Maintaining this degree of schizophrenia must take a great deal of effort…

    • Mazo says

      Jun 26, 2014 at 12:45 am

      Showing off your lack of knowledge again?

      The most prosperous states in the Middle East are Gulf Arab states like Qatar, Kuwait, and UAE.

      Syria and Iraq are economically stagnant and have been for decades, with a large rural mass of impovershed farmers who migrate to cities to find work (which in fact they don’t find, sinking into even deeper poverty). Syria also has had crop failures and repeated drought.

      Your so called aid is worth excretement to the common people. America sends aid to Thailand and the Philippines, and corrupt generals and politicians pocked all the moeny while tens of millions of their citizens live in crap subhuman living conditions. America knows this full well, the aid is just to bribe the generals and make sure they stay in America’s pocket.

      Nigeria has the largest population in all Africa, over 168 million people, even more than Russia does.

      Mexico and the Philippines are both majority non-Muslim, and are plagued by kidnapping and violence. The police in the northern, non-Muslim Philippine islands of Luzon and Visayas participate in the kidnapping and thuggery. Kidnapping is not just limited to Abu Sayyaf in the south.

      Mexican drug cartels behead people with chainsaws, skin people alive, cut peoples limbs off and act live savages in general. I don’t see any of you giving a damn

      • thomas_h says

        Jun 26, 2014 at 9:20 am

        @Maso

        “Mexican drug cartels behead people with chainsaws, skin people alive, cut peoples limbs off and act live savages in general. I don’t see any of you giving a damn.”

        But of course we do – on a dedicated website. Here is the address:
        http://www.muhammad-was-a-pig.edu. Do try and see for yourself.

        Please, don’t get discouraged if you see an error message. Just keep on entering “Mohammad-was-a-pig” and eventually you’ll get in. Then you will be asked to log in. You may use my log-in details below:
        user name: “thomas_h”
        password: “GiveAllahLobotomy”.
        Again: you may need to write “GiveAllahLobotomy” a few times before you are finally in.
        Yes, it is a bit complex, but we needed to make it this way in order to keep out the Mexican Drug Cartel trolls.

        • Champ says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 4:12 pm

          ahaha!! …yeah and everyday I wake up worrying about the mexican drug cartel taking over the planet. NOT! 😀

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 26, 2014 at 3:46 pm

        Mazo wrote:

        Showing off your lack of knowledge again?

        The most prosperous states in the Middle East are Gulf Arab states like Qatar, Kuwait, and UAE.
        ……………………………………

        What a tool. I wrote “fairly prosperous by Muslim standards”, not “flush with unearned oil money’, which applies to the Gulf States you cite. Certainly, Iraq and Syria—at least before this recent bloody Jihad—have been relatively prosperous when compared to total basket cases like Yemen and Somalia.

        In any case, “economically stagnant” describes the status quo in much of the Muslim world.

        More:

        Your so called aid is worth excretement to the common people. America sends aid to Thailand and the Philippines, and corrupt generals and politicians pocked all the moeny while tens of millions of their citizens live in crap subhuman living conditions…
        ……………………………………

        This is true. It is also true that except for the Jihad insurgencies raging in the south of these nations that the populace is not responding to such corruption by waging violent Jihad. I wonder why that is—might it have something to do with the fact that most of the Thai and Filipino people are Infidels?

        More:

        Nigeria has the largest population in all Africa, over 168 million people, even more than Russia does.
        ……………………………………

        And this proves…what? Yes, it is a populous country, and a corrupt country, but it would be *much* better off it didn’t have a ravening Mohammedan population pushing for a full Shari’ah state.

        The main point is that there are a lot of impoverished people in the world, but only Muslims are waging violent Jihad.

        This insanity is driven by Islam, not by poverty as Andreas Krieg asserts.

        More:

        Mexico and the Philippines are both majority non-Muslim, and are plagued by kidnapping and violence…I don’t see any of you giving a damn.
        ……………………………………

        Mazo is full of crap as usual. I am actually deeply concerned about violence everywhere—not least on our southern border.

        But there is no doubt that of all the evil in the world today that Islam presents the greatest threat—and that that threat is *mushrooming*. Even professional apologists such as Andreas Krieg can’t ignore this entirely.

        But Mazo’s entire purpose in posting at this site is his attempting to distract us from the obvious fact.

        • John C. Barile says

          Jun 28, 2014 at 6:37 pm

          I believe this is our friend “Horse,” a Taiwanese Hui.

  18. Vapourking says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    Islam although embarrassing to the human race, it’s a never ending source of amusement, the joke that just keeps on giving.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 26, 2014 at 3:55 pm

      Only if you have a *very* dark sense of humor, Vapourking…

  19. Memridotorg says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    This guy is a tool and a coward until he debates Spencer and it is recorded and put on YouTube. His statements are propaganda.

  20. Varg i Veum says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 1:00 am

    Well, good to know. Then the Crusades and the inquisition had nothing to do with christianity.

    • St. Michael Defend Us says

      Jun 26, 2014 at 10:19 am

      They also had a lot to do with islam.

  21. jimmi says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 3:36 am

    ‘They adhere to a radical interpretation of Islam, but it has nothing to do with the religion.’
    This sentence is incredible.

  22. Beth says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 3:49 am

    Andreas Kreig, a Middle East security analyst at King’s College

    Koran (chapter and verse given for proof)

    047.004 – Beheadings

    033.052 – Gang Rape of female ‘infidels’

    005.033 – Crucifixions

    008.067 – Treason

    033.061 – Genocide “without mercy”

    005.041 – Racism….

    005.041 O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: whether it be among those who say “We believe” with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie [[This is Racism – It is hate speech]]

    Maybe Andreas Kreig needs to go back to first grade and start over – because even first graders would be able to understand that those teachings are violent. Either that – or he is a liar. My guess is that he’s a liar.

  23. Sumit Basu says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 5:02 am

    The fact that more and more so called “experts”, “analysts”, “leaders”, journalists, politicians and clerics are increasingly shouting out this lie is a clear evidence that more and more common people around the globe, who do not have any vested interest in perpetuating this lie, have started analyzing and seeing the truth.

  24. Frank Tillman says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 6:07 am

    Dumb as a bocks of rox & batshit crazy

    Melville Chamberlains direct descendant

  25. Artie Galvin says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 6:28 am

    OMG. What an amazing moron. He is nothing more that a tool for the ruling islamic elite of Qatar.

  26. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 6:33 am

    “a new era of Islamic fundamentalism”, i.e. “The Jihad is back” (to use the words of the inimitable Conor Cruise O’Brien).

    And then, re the feelings of the average Infidel (and not only within the West, either) – “people in the West may think it is because they feel alienated by Islam.”

    No. Because they – quite rightly and rationally – feel THREATENED by Islam.

    The prospect of being blown up or shot at – or stabbed, or slashed, or bludgeoned or hacked at with an axe – whilst on the train, plane, bus, bar, restaurant, sporting event, in the shopping mall, in one’s hotel room, or even at the finish line of a marathon or in the mah jong hall, or the prospect of being rammed or run over whilst one is peacefully driving or walking down one’s own city street – concentrates the mind wonderfully.

  27. Andy says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 6:37 am

    If you are a moslem I’m not surprise with your statement, Mr Kreig. But, if you infidel, I am truly shock with your statement. Are you blind or you live in another planet?

  28. mackb says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 7:10 am

    2+2=4, but that has nothing to do with arithmetic.

    Never end a sentence with a preposition, but that has nothing to do with language or the rules of grammar.

    E= (mc) squared, but that has nothing to do with physics.

    It used to be said that the inmates were running the asylum when madness takes over. But what do you call it when idiots who can’t make the most basic connections are running academia?

  29. Angemon says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 7:22 am

    “‘They adhere to a radical interpretation of Islam, but it has nothing to do with the religion.’”

    You know, the more i look at that the more i think that the only way that sentence makes any sense is a hack censorship work. Receive Kreig’s report, search for criticism of islam, add “but it has nothing to do with the religion” before sending the report back to where it was intended to go in the first place. Not that his report isn’t whitewashing islam, but that final touch seems like a hack censorship job. IMO.

  30. VampireJack says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 7:55 am

    Someone should tell the guy that Islamophobia has NOTHING to do with Islam.

    The Aryan Brotherhood has nothing to do with race.

    Mickey Mouse has nothing to do with Disney!

    Dear God……

  31. duh_swami says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 8:09 am

    Mexican drug cartels behead people with chainsaws, skin people alive, cut peoples limbs off and act live savages in general. I don’t see any of you giving a damn.

    Do they shout Allahu Akbar while doing it? ‘ Jesus saves’? ‘Hail Krishna’? Are they on a world wide campaign to secure the planet for Allah by ‘cartel jihad’?
    This site is about Islam, and jihad, it is not about cartel abuses.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 26, 2014 at 8:28 am

      duh_swami posted:

      “Do they shout Allahu Akbar while doing it? ‘ Jesus saves’? ‘Hail Krishna’? Are they on a world wide campaign to secure the planet for Allah by ‘cartel jihad’?
      This site is about Islam, and jihad, it is not about cartel abuses.
      ”

      Right you are duh_swami, this is jihadwatch, not cartelwatch, so trying to bring something restricted to a limited geographic area and pretending it’s the same as a growing worldwide problem is a very dumb attempt to draw attention away from the ever growing issue of jihad threating to engulf the world. Yes, mexican cartels do very nasty things to some people. No, the mexican cartels don’t claim that their holy texts gives them the right to do so nor do they claim it’s their goal to spread their religion all over the world. And if we were to compare atrocities committed by the mexican cartels (or any other criminal group) with the committed by jihadis then the criminal groups would lose both in numbers and brutality.

      Anyway, I have the feeling we’ll hear more about cartel abuses in the future:

      http://www.meforum.org/3233/mexican-jihad

      Mexican Jihad

      by Raymond Ibrahim
      Gatestone Institute
      May 11, 2012

      Some highlights from that article:

      “As the United States considers the Islamic jihadi threats confronting it from all sides, it would do well to focus on its southern neighbor, Mexico, which has been targeted by Islamists and jihadists, who, through a number of tactics—from engaging in da’wa, converting Mexicans to Islam, to smuggling and the drug cartel, simple extortion, kidnappings and enslavement—have been subverting Mexico in order to empower Islam and sabotage the U.S.”

      “Another 2010 article appearing in the Washington Times asserts that, “with fresh evidence of Hezbollah activity just south of the border [in Mexico], and numerous reports of Muslims from various countries posing as Mexicans and crossing into the United States from Mexico, our porous southern border is a national security nightmare waiting to happen.” This is in keeping with a recent study done by Georgetown University, which revealed that the number of immigrants from Lebanon and Syria living in Mexico exceeds 200,000. […]only a handful of these 200,000 are necessary to wreak havoc north of the border.”

      “As far back as 2005, an article entitled “Islam is gaining a Foothold in Chiapas” showcased the inroads of Islam in Mexico:

      Long a bastion of Catholicism, southern Mexico is quickly turning into a battleground for soul-savers. Islam, too, is gaining a foothold and the indigenous Mayans are converting by the hundreds. The Mexican government is worried about a culture clash in their own backyard… Muslim women in headscarves have become a common sight….

      To appreciate the significance of the fact that Muslim headscarves “have become a common sight” in Mexico, consider the words of former jihadist Tawfik Hamid, who personally knew al-Qaeda leader Ayman Zawahiri. In his book, Inside Jihad, he writes: “The proliferation of the hijab [Muslim headscarves] is strongly correlated with increased terrorism…. Terrorism became much more frequent in such societies as Indonesia, Egypt, Algeria, and the U.K. after the hijab became prevalent among Muslim women living in those communities.””

      “Kidnappings, as part of a drug cartel or as part of a jihadist operation, which legitimizes crimes such as kidnapping and child slavery, have become increasingly common. To convert non-Muslims to their cause, Islamists also whip up—and then exploit—a sense of “grievance” against the “white man.”“

    • Myxlplik says

      Jun 26, 2014 at 9:35 pm

      “Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.”

      Mexican drug cartels come and go, but Allah has a tighter grip on tyranny than drug cartels, because Cartels are motivated by money… Not some lark of the imagination whose purpose is to lie, cheat, steal, and murder to self propagate like a virus of death and destruction until everyone believes in the same imaginary friend. Yup drug cartels are small fish in the tyranny dept, compared to Islam.

  32. David from England says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    As we say in the UK – `What a load of old cobblers!’

  33. Carlos Danger says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    This chap is an analyst. OK. A friend of mine works in a hospital, and once made the point that “Somewhere out there is the World’s dumbest doctor, and some poor schmoe has an appointment with him at 9:00 A.M. tomorrow morning.”

  34. Myxlplik says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    Robert, I think this guys hairdo would win a debate on Islam, against you.

    LOL, Sarc off

  35. rabrooks says

    Jun 26, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    and Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity.
    With idiots like this running things, we got nothing to wworyabout!!!!!

  36. Alexius Comnenus says

    Jun 27, 2014 at 8:22 am

    How can someone with common sense can say this absurdity! Since the beginning of this demonic so called ‘religion’, the force, crime rape and forced conversion was used. Just read the history, please. Do not spread lies and do not mislead people who will read this inept statement. You are either one of Musobama’s acolites or you are mentally sick. Islam is not a religion, has nothing to do with God, and it must be stopped until is not too late. Please read the statement of the Byzantine Emperor Manuel Paleologus regarding islam.

    Alexius

  37. Kenny says

    Jun 27, 2014 at 11:55 am

    The really bizarre, yet amusing, thing is, he doubtless really believes what he says! Not only that, numerous politicians, single issue fanatics and other self deluding dickheads will queue up to agree with him, but all in the interests of looking cool and promoting multi-culturalism (Islam=culture? Hmm?), you must understand.

    In order to understand the above mentioneds views, simply read ‘The Emprerors new clothes’, by Hans Christian Anderson. Those who are familiar with this story already will understand the point.

    Finally, “Disillusioned with austerity”. Is that the kind of austerity that bin Laden had to endure, or the austerity that English people are subject to due to Governmental financial incompetence, yet don’t kill people over?

  38. voegelinian says

    Jun 27, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    There is alot [sic] of Islamaphobia.

    I think there’s a second [sic] there; shouldn’t that be “Islamophobia”? (Actually, there is a third [sic] there, in a way, though it’s spelled sick, and it refers to Prof. Krieg himself.)

  39. voegelinian says

    Jun 27, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    An interesting (to say the least) photo of Prof. Krieg:

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-x7n3NViMucc/Twws705okuI/AAAAAAAAAEg/3NC6kauCOlA/w800-h800/photo.jpg

    • voegelinian says

      Jun 27, 2014 at 1:14 pm

      Master Krieg’s curriculum vitae is impressive (although rather scant in publications, save for a 2012 book, Motivations for Humanitarian intervention: Theoretical and Empirical Considerations (Allah help us!); but he’s still a young man with a remarkable hairdo). His academic-cum-geopolitical specialty dismays, but leaves us aggrievedly unsurprised: “military humanitarian intervention” (i.e., Neo-Wilsonian Geo-Policing joined at the hip with the perennial White Man’s Burden, rebooted with the PC MC Paradigm 3.0).

      http://www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/departments/warstudies/people/phd/krieg.aspx

      That’s quite a niche Krieg has landed for a career move, right at the nerve center of the international nexus at the crossroads of Finance, War and Ethics (where the latter of that neo-Mitternichian triumvirate is mired in the sticky tar of the Good Intentions with which we are paving the planet) — and where better to be based than in an Emirate?

      http://www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/departments/warstudies/people/phd/krieg.aspx

      Lest anyone presume that Krieg’s worldview necessarily derives from Leftism, a recent report by Andrew Bostom about Dick Cheney’s infatuation with the grievously Wilsonian scholar emeritus & eminence grise Bernard Lewis (old enough to be classically Wilsonian and to pass that torch onto a newer generation of Neo-Wilsonians) and his disastrous shaping of American policy vis-à-vis the Muslim world through the grotesquely catastrophic Lab Experiment of Operation Iraqi Salvation whereby millions of Muslims will become Modern Western Secular Democrats with Purple Thumbs if only we lavish enough trillions of $$$ on them and sacrifice the lives, limbs and genitalia (destroyed through IEDs) of our men and women.

      As Bostom reports:

      … in a private dinner with Dick Cheney at the vice president’s residence, Mr. Lewis explained why he was cautiously optimistic the U.S. could gradually build democracy in Iraq, say others who attended. Speaking on NBC’s “Meet the Press” just before the invasion of Iraq, Mr. Cheney said: “I firmly believe, along with men like Bernard Lewis, who is one of the great students of that part of the world, that strong, firm U.S. response to terror and to threats to the United States would go a long way, frankly, toward calming things in that part of the world.”

      And:

      Eight days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with the Pentagon still smoldering, Mr. Lewis addressed the U.S. Defense Policy Board. Mr. Lewis and a friend, Iraqi exile leader Ahmad Chalabi—now a member of the interim Iraqi Governing Council—argued for a military takeover of Iraq to avert still-worse terrorism in the future

      http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2014/06/24/my-discussion-of-iraq-framed-by-dick-cheneys-april-1991-policy-speech-and-the-bernard-lewis-doctrine/

      (And don’t forget that Chalabi, reasonably assumed, by those whose heads are not in the Arabian sand, to be an Iranian saboteur, has reared his ugly nose again to dangle his Moderate Carrot before a gullible America ready to spend millions to help the Shiites again.)

      “Military humanitarian intervention” indeed. Mashallah!

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 27, 2014 at 1:16 pm

        correction: “neo-Mitternichian” should be “neo-Metternichian”

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