UPDATE: YouTube has (predictably) pulled down the video under pressure from Islamic supremacists.” What they want to do, of course, is deflect attention away from Muhammad’s child marriage and how it is imitated in the Islamic world. You can still see it for the time being here:
David Wood puts it well at Answering Muslims:
This would be a bit too graphic to post as a video, but as news, it needs to be addressed. A number of European activists have put together an animated film about Muhammad’s relationship with Aisha. The film is being released in numerous languages (including English, French, German, Swedish, and Spanish).
Any predictions concerning the international reaction? Will there be bloody riots, or peaceful protest? Will President Obama condemn the film, or will he defend freedom of speech? Will the producer Imran Firasat be arrested, or will he be challenged to debate the issue?
Champ says
Yeah the ugly *truth* about their pedophile-prophet will have mohammedans rioting in the streets as they defend this pervert!! …”how dare you insult our prophet!!!”
**SPIT**
Wow how can anyone defend the indefensible? Their defense of moohamhead goes beyond reason and common sense, and is in fact demonically driven–nothing else makes sense to me.
Wellington says
How indeed, Champ, can any sensible and informed person defend Mohammed. I see no logical path to such a defense.
Hope you’re doing well, my friend. Best to you and yours as always.
Champ says
Thank you, Wellington! …the best to you and your family, as well 🙂
Shane says
I hope the people involved with this movie have strong security as some members of the “religion of peace’ will go into a homicidal rage when they see this.
rabrooks says
I asked a muzzy (sunni)aquaintance about this subject. Standard response. First, denial. Second “who told you that?” Third “Where is it in the koran?” Thrid “When you talk about my religion it makes me upset! No more talk about pislam!” He did everything but “strike me above the neck!” They will kill each other over this point!
Under their law it’s “Slander”-anything that a muzzy doesn’t want known. Simply ANYTHING a muzzy doesn’t want known. Too bad kaffirs can read. 80% of the muzzy world can’t read or write their own language, let alone arabic.
Gregory James says
And the Kings of UK Monarchy had 5 wives and 13 children during a similar period in History, married at approximately the same age.
Have you no access to information? People lived shorter lives, therefore were married younger. You clearly are not reading history, just the comment pages of the internet.
Your type may only be looked upon with pity.
Although your hatred quickly acts as fuel in this world.
Angemon says
Rezali by another name posted a big, steamy pile of false-equivalence taqyyia.
“And the Kings of UK Monarchy had 5 wives and 13 children during a similar period in History, married at approximately the same age.”
First of all, there was no UK monarchy back in the 7th century. UK came into existence early in the 18th century, IIRC.
Second, monarchies are not your everyday man. Marriages were almost never for love and almost always as a mean of cementing alliances. Tell us, which UK kings married at that age? What historical events lead to that? Do you know what happens to a country if a king dies without a wife and/or heirs? No, monarchies are a “special case”, in a matter of speaking. In any case, UK kings don’t have a holy book telling their followers “look, this is how you must act”. The equivalence you’re trying to make fails because of both of those issues: royal marriages are more about sealing alliances, even if some royal family members were married young it’s very likely it was for political reasons and, unlike muhammad, there’s no “divine revelation” telling British to imitate those examples and marry children that young.
“Have you no access to information? People lived shorter lives, therefore were married younger. You clearly are not reading history, just the comment pages of the internet.”
If marrying children so young was customary in muhammad’s times, like you claim, then he wouldn’t need divine revelations to justify his marriage… Besides, if your “they lived shorter lives and married younger” theory were truth (how old was muhammad when he died, btw?) then were are your widespread records of children being married at the age of 9? On the early 20th century the average life expectancy was 31 so, by your logic, there should be an abundance of reports of girls married that young. And why was aisha married to a man in his fifties – old enough to be her grandfather even if he had married and had a son at the age of 20 and his son married and had a son at the age of 20 – rather than to a boy around her age? Also, your “they had a shorter lifespan thus married younger” also doesn’t explain to why british muslims ship their pre-teen daughters to, let’s say, Pakistan, to marry their cousins. Is the life expectancy and living conditions in the UK so bad that they need to be shipped abroad very young to marry people they probably never even met?
So tell us, “Gregory James”, tell me again why what’s an overall exception in the history of the UK is supposed to prevent us from criticizing what’s taking place in the muslim world nowdays – the marrying of prepubescent children to men old enough to be their grandparents? It’s happening because muhammad did so and whatever he did (or didn’t) became an example for muslims. It’s exactly like Champ stated: “how can anyone defend the indefensible? Their defense of moohamhead goes beyond reason and common sense, and is in fact demonically driven–nothing else makes sense to me“.
TruthPrevails says
Its almost funny that all these Islamophobes are just keeping themselves happy by commenting among themselves, with all the same centuries old BS that people like them have been spitting on the character of the Prophet (PBUH). This is something I’ve been seeing for ages now, to an extent that it has almost lost its significance. And their claim that Internet will ‘destroy’ Islam is indeed laughable- and YOU KNOW THAT. All Internet probably does is bring all the culprits together on a forum, so that they can just BS with each other and be happy. Period.
In the words of the Holy Quran: “They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.” (9:60)
You WILL fail and the words of Quran WILL prevail- The generations to come will see it (I wish this forum comes in some search engine 200 years from now- Hurrahhhhhh)
As regards to the marriage of the Prophet with Ayesha (r.a) , all I can say is that the marriage was consummated when she reached her puberty, at about 11 (not 9) years, with the consent of her father- And there is NOTHING wrong with it. And the benefits of this marriage have been countless- the largest being that with Ayesha being so young and at the best of her mental and physical abilities, she has taught more religion to the coming generations than all other wives combined, and more than any almost all other people, including men.
P.S. FYI I am an Ahmadi Muslim, and we have answers to EACH and EVERY of your BS- and I mean it- we are not that ‘defenseless’ as you guys think
http://www.alislam.org
Angemon says
TruthPrevails wrote:
“All Internet probably does is bring all the culprits together on a forum, so that they can just BS with each other and be happy. Period.”
And yet, more and more people are wising up to muhammad and islam…
“As regards to the marriage of the Prophet with Ayesha (r.a) , all I can say is that the marriage was consummated when she reached her puberty, at about 11 (not 9) years”
Where are you getting that number? All sources of Aisha’s own testimony deemed to be authentic confirm that she was nine at the time and that she had yet to reach puberty. Here’s an idea, how about you go to Saudia Arabia or Pakistan and tell all the native “islamophobes” your “Aisha was 11” theory. I’m sure they’ll love it!
“And the benefits of this marriage have been countless- the largest being that with Ayesha being so young and at the best of her mental and physical abilities, she has taught more religion to the coming generations than all other wives combined, and more than any almost all other people, including men.”
You might want hold on the Aisha praise. Last time i checked, she wasn’t too fond of muhammad or islam. Like she said to muhammad: “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.“.
“P.S. FYI I am an Ahmadi Muslim”
Oh, you’re ahmadi? Then do go to SA and Pakistan and tell them that their sources are wrong about the age of Aisha. BTW, what’s the status of ahmadi islam in SA and Pakistan?
“ and we have answers to EACH and EVERY of your BS- and I mean it- we are not that ‘defenseless’ as you guys think”
Answers? Like saying “Aisha was 11 and reached puberty because i said so”? You did not give any sources for that so it’s not an answer, it’s dawah.
Mo says
@ TruthPrevails
“Its almost funny that all these Islamophobes are just keeping themselves happy by commenting among themselves,”
We don’t have a phobia about your death cult. We are appropriately concerned about it, since its purpose is to subjugate the entire world under it’s hate-filled, oppressive, murderous rules.
” with all the same centuries old BS that people like them have been spitting on the character of the Prophet (PBUH).”
What character is that? Oh, that of a murderer, warlord and child rapist? You admire that, do you?
Show me what in this trailer was false regarding Islam? In fact, show me anything posted on JW that is “BS”? Not the comments, the site.
SHOW IT TO ME.
Do not ignore me. Answer me. I cannot stand it when I ask people things and they run off like the cowards they are. Answer me. You’re making all these accusations. Back them up.
The rest of your screed I ignored. Provide evidence for what I’ve asked, and maybe I’ll read the rest.
TruthPrevails says
“Oh, that of a murderer, warlord and child rapist? You admire that, do you? ”
LOL!!! And you are asking ME to show you the character??
First you have to get out of your bigoted misery and SHOW SOME CHARACTER OF YOURSELF- I can’t show anything to someone with this much egregious bias
These phobes show the very same hatred and lack of character they claim to counter in Islam- LMAO!!
Nicole says
There is “Nothing Holy or Honorable” about Muslims brutally murdering Christians, and other non-muslims in the Middle East.
Anonymous says
thank you for telling everyone this
Peter Buckley says
More please. I said it a long time ago, and will repeat:
THE INTERNET WILL DESTROY ISLAM.
Apparently it is the Internet which is “radicalising” muslims.
But, it is also the Internet which is informing muslims about things they didn’t previously know, and are leaving Islam.
Conclusion: muslims are becoming aware that the “moderate muslim” position is becoming more and more untenable.
So they have a choice between Islamism and jihad, or joining the rest of the human race by leaving Islam.
I know which one the “vast majority” will choose, don’t you…..?
Shane says
I hope that you are right. We must educate everybody, especially Muslims, about the truth of who the Warlord Muhammad really was. Muhammad was not a man of peace and he was a notorious womanizer.
shortfattexan says
So far, it appears the vast majority are keeping silent, tacitly approving everything that the “tiny minority of extremists” do.
harbidolls says
many are MINOs. muslem in name only, afraid to reveal their true thoughts. I notice some get more nervous than angry when we discus anything concerning islam.
Jay Boo says
“THE INTERNET WILL DESTROY ISLAM.”
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That may be true, but this video is not really that effective and will more likely rally the Huff Post crowd as much as anti-jihad folks.
A for effort
gravenimage says
With respect, Peter, I doubt there are really many Muslims who are unaware that the “Prophet’s” favorite wife was a little girl.
And if most Muslims were ignorant of this fact, why would pedophilic child marriage on the model of the Prophet be so widespread in the Muslim world?
After all, one of the Ayatollah Khomeini’s very first actions following the Islamic revolution in Iran was to lower the marriage age *to nine*—the age when little Aisha was first raped by Muhammed.
Shane says
Most Muslims will deny Aisha was 9 when Muhammad copulated with her, but they may really know that it is true. It is possible that Muslims are suffering from doublethink – they know Muhammad did this and is not perfect, but they still say he is the perfect man for Muslims to emulate.
Getting this fact out there for the world to know is important, so I hope leaders in the West do not shut down this movie.
gravenimage says
Shane wrote:
Most Muslims will deny Aisha was 9 when Muhammad copulated with her, but they may really know that it is true. It is possible that Muslims are suffering from doublethink – they know Muhammad did this and is not perfect, but they still say he is the perfect man for Muslims to emulate.
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I believe that with many Muslims it is much more chilling than this, Shane: they deem “the Prophet” to be perfect even in matters such as this.
After all, Muslims all around the world wouldn’t be “marrying” little girls on the model of Muhammed if they *didn’t* consider this a behavior to emulate.
In other words, it is not that the don’t consider Muhammed to be the perfect man—it is just that pious Muslims have different values than we do.
You can, in fact, confirm this from the comments of some Muslims on this very thread.
Paul says
I don’t KNOW which path the vast majority will choose, but suspect that as Islam grows and becomes even more powerful, they will default to Islam. Perhaps they will be denigrated as the hypocrites they are, for not having given of their sustenance and lives in the cause of Allah. But probably they’ll be alive and enjoying the fruits of the shahideen who gave their all for Allah and his Messenger (PBUH).
John C. Barile says
. . . Five . . . Four . . . Three . . . Two . . . .
jihad3tracker says
I would like to finish that progression with an appropriately sized “BOOM” — but 10,000 point type does not fit on a monitor…
John C. Barile says
Ffizzle.
Stanton Cordray says
Is anything really served by making a film like this? I’m all for freedom of expression, but, going out of your way to inflame and offend people when what you are saying is not itself of any particular importance seems a bit counterproductive to me.
The point that child marriage is common in the Muslim world because Mohammed is an example of perfect behaviour to them is no doubt worth making. But nothing will change, not even awareness, because of one offensive film.
ecosse1314 says
Really?? So we have to censor the truth in case some extremists are offended. Maybe we should keep quiet about FGM or jihadist kidnapping school girls…just in case the criminals involved have their feelings hurt?
Ashley says
I agree. It is important to expose the truth. Sadly, I fear those associated with the creation of this film will find a heavy bounty for their heads.
I also fear that the film might miss its intended mark and backfire. Boys and men will likely be titillated by the child-porn aspect of the film (at least my take from viewing the trailer) and think Islam is a pretty cool jig.
I applaud all willing to stick their neck on the butcher block to expose ugly truths.
Joe says
The point is not censoring. The point is the film is useless. Everyone knows M. married a child. Plus the animation totally sucks. Nobody will learn anything new by this and instead we’ll get stacks of bodies piling up.
Jax Tolmen says
@Joe
You’re wrong. Not ‘everyone’ knows about the paedophilia Muhammad engaged in. Everyone on Jihad Watch knows about it, but the general public are understandably ignorant of the truth about Islam.
If ‘everyone’ knew the facts about Islam, then Jihad Watch would not be the mouth piece of the enlightened minority that sees the religion for what it really is. It would be the flagship of the majority, and a popular condemnation of the most heinous of faiths.
Tradewinds says
I don’t agree that the animation sucks. In fact it’s done very well. My guess is you’re a Muslim. The film is not useless. As for “bodies stacking up” that’s due to Islam, not an animated film.
Benghazi? It happened on September 11, 2012, due to Islam, not a film.
Ashley says
Jax,
I had no idea that Mo married a child and engaged in rampant pedophilia until I pulled up a chair here at JW.
I’m learning so much.
I wish the film success in reaching its targeted audience.
Ashley says
Joe says: “The point is the film is useless.”
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I’m not sure how you can come to that conclusion based upon viewing a trailer.
To call a film “useless” is quite the critical review. Hard to tell how the film will be received, but I hope it sheds light on Muhammad’s predilection to wed and rape a little girl.
gravenimage says
Joe wrote:
The point is not censoring. The point is the film is useless. Everyone knows M. married a child…
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Firstly, there are still many people who have *no idea* about this. If Joe were to ask his neighbors he would no doubt find this to be the case.
More:
Plus the animation totally sucks. Nobody will learn anything new by this and instead we’ll get stacks of bodies piling up.
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Even if this film were deemed to be poorly made—as with the “Innocence of Muslims” film trailer, that is *no* grounds on which to censor any work.
If you believe that it is, then you understand *nothing* about freedom of expression.
Another reason this is a bullsh*t argument is this: many people believed that Salman Rushdie’s book “The Satanic Verses” was a well-written book—some even considered it a masterpiece. This hasn’t stopped millions of pious Muslims around the world howling for his murder.
To pretend that his is about aesthetics is grotesque.
There is a lot of bad art around the world—how often is the artist *threatened with death* if his work doesn’t measure up to someone’s standards?
Which brings us to those stacks of bodies—do you believe they stacked themselves up? Do you believe the writers or the filmmakers or the artists are stacking them up?
What crap—instead, it is homicidal Muslims threatening violence if Shari’ah censorship is not observed by the cringing dhimmis.
Shane says
Not everyone knows that Muhammad was a notorious womanizer, including many Muslims who can’t read. This movie will expose Muhammad as a very flawed man, and not a holy man at all.
nevernine says
Well, I think that a prophet of a religion was having sex with a nine year-old IS significant information to bring to people’s attention. As far as saying one should not offend Musilms is nonsense. Yes, they should be directly confronted with such facts of their religion. And no, one film will not bring change, but to always back off such knowledge will do far less. This is always the lame defense of not being critical of religious beliefs–don’t offend. YES–offend and inform a naive and ignorant public. THAT, is the way to bring the necessary change.
voegelinian says
I agree: generally speaking and in principle, Muslims should be offended; with certain case-by-case exceptions where one may be concerned to avoid explosions in public places.
PRCS says
“Yes, they should be directly confronted with such facts of their religion.”
The problem is that, for the most part, they are not being directly confronted.
The questioning is far too often “softball” and asked by people who either don’t know what they’re talking about or who are biased in favor of Islam and brown skinned people.
In watching that horrid Hannity special “Radical Muslims on The March” last week I noticed that Jamie Glasnov was–I believe–the ONLY panelist to cite passages from the Qur’an in his argument with that idiot, Mike Ghouse.
And even then, their confrontations are countered by morons like Hannity who, so matter of factly “separates “radicalism” from Islam and tells Dr. Bostom that if Muslims want a caliphate, they’re “radicalized”.
Shane says
Yes, millions of infidels should offend Muslims as much as possible so they won’t go into a homicidal rage every time someone says something negative about Islam or Muhammad. It’s a type of psychological therapy called Extinction.
Chabuco says
inflame and offend people… —
Pointing out, the truth, facts and historic events are regarded as “inflammatory” and “offensive”. Got it!
Res ipsa loquitur.
Shane says
You must be a Muslim or a liberal because you equate telling the dark truths about Islam as insulting. I would wager that you mention the Christian Crusades any time someone criticizes Islam. Telling the truth about the Warlord Muhammad is a worthy goal. Perhaps some Muslims will be encouraged to leave their religion of war.
Sasko says
Are you aware what you just said? Is the making of this movie a wrong thing or is just the TRUTH that hurts you? Inflame and offend people? Are you serious? If somebody want to believe in lies like this is up to them, but for you to tell others not to express their personal opinion about someone is a Nazi methodology.
The child marriage PLEASE take a note IT IS A CHILD and I don’t care where it was. You think that it was not disgusting by people (NORMAL ONE) who live back then. Have a look at today’s situation in our time is considering as a big crime.
Wake up you stupid and ignorant man and stop defending the EVIL. I wonder if you have a daughter of 6 years, will you give her to some old man to abuse her.
Mohamed is the worst prophet from the worst religion in the world and it disgust me to imagine to have a sex with child were she was still playing with toys.
Americanaa says
I agree, Stanton. Vicious denigration of a faith that is not necessarily practiced today as Muhammed practiced it. There are countries where child brides and FGM are still the norm but they accompany other societal ills such as extreme poverty where children are treated as a monetary system. But this film is a follow up to film by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula which caused so much outrage around the world. To write such a trashy interpretation when we’ve got our own cults that have indulged in this child bride business is ridiculous.
ecosse1314 says
You do not seem to understand that as Mo is the perfect man then all his actions are exemplary.
You are just indulging in trying to muddy the water.
Tradewinds says
“Americanaa” = Muslim. Newsflash: You’re not fooling anyone.
Angemon says
Americanaa posted:
“a faith that is not necessarily practiced today as Muhammed practiced it.”
Because muslims can’t, not because they don’t want to…
“There are countries where child brides and FGM are still the norm but they accompany other societal ills such as extreme poverty where children are treated as a monetary system”
The large majority – if not all – being muslim countries. No wonder, seeing how islam gives divine sanction to child marriage. Tell me, how is it using a child as a monetary system related to FGM?
“To write such a trashy interpretation”
“Trashy interpretation”? Is that what you call to a outright reenactment of what’s in the islamic texts? LMFAO!!!
Well, whoever writes Americanaa’s checks can’t say he’s not getting his worth out of it.
Bradamante says
Americana! We meet at last! To me you are an almost mythical figure, because when I first came to this board and expressed myself somewhat clumsily, a number of people thought I was you. I think that confusion has long since been straightened out, though.
To respond in part to your comment: your argument doesn’t hold together logically. If this faith is “not necessarily practiced today as Muhammed practiced it,” then surely a film that is set entirely during Muhammed’s lifetime is not denigrating said faith. It appears to be criticizing Muhammed, not the faith that is so different. How it’s different, you didn’t specify, but moderate Muslims everywhere can stand up and explain exactly which parts of Muhammed’s example they’re rejecting. It should make for a very interesting dialogue.
gravenimage says
Hi, Bradamante. I never believed you were “Americana”—but you can see what a nasty piece of work she is, and why a lot of people here were pretty freaked out in her wake—including some who were as a result perhaps a bit too touchy regarding her possible reappearance.
By the way, she sneaked back here a few weeks ago, with the new posting system—but was banned again pretty quickly.
Now she’s found a new work-around—*Ugh*.
Hope you are doing well.
voegelinian says
I see that Americana has had a makeover — she/he added an Islamic double-a (to go with his/her double AA bra cups beneath her/his burka).
More later… (as his/her fellow traveler likes to say here)
Mo says
@ Americanaa
“I agree, Stanton. Vicious denigration of a faith…”
Denigration is Muslim-speak for saying FACTS about Islam.
Your pedophile warlord prophet raped a 9 year old. That’s FACT. If you don’t like me saying that, too bad. You will not bully me into silence. Do you hear me? Do you understand me?
Here’s what your prophet did:
Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
“Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: “I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).””
” that is not necessarily practiced today as Muhammed practiced it.”
Oh, no? Tell that to the countless child brides in the Muslim world.
“But this film is a follow up to film by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula which caused so much outrage around the world.”
Telling the truth about Islam causes outrage, eh? Why is that? Do tell.
” To write such a trashy interpretation when we’ve got our own cults that have indulged in this child bride business is ridiculous.”
What in the trailer was false regarding Islam?
Take your attempts at comparisons elsewhere. They don’t fly here.
We know what your prophet did. We know what he was. He was a warlord, a liar and a child rapist.
We will not bow to your death cult – not now, not ever. Do you hear me?
gravenimage says
“Americanaa”—who has been banned here many times, and is only able to post because she is spelling her username with an extra “a* here—wrote:
I agree, Stanton. Vicious denigration of a faith that is not necessarily practiced today as Muhammed practiced it.
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What crap. The problem is that Islam is practiced by all too many Muslin on *just* the model of the “perfect man”, Muhammed. And his sacrilized rape of little Aisha when she was just nine years old is *exactly* why child marriage is so rife in the Muslim world.
And how is pointing this out the “denigration of a faith”? If a faith sacralizes child rape, it *should not* be respected, and it has “denigrated” itself.
More:
There are countries where child brides and FGM are still the norm but they accompany other societal ills such as extreme poverty where children are treated as a monetary system (sic).
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More crap. Child marriage—and FGM—are not cultural vestiges in poor countries. Instead, Muslims are pushing for the spread of these practices *today*—and where it is already practiced, Muslim clerics resist any reform of these horrors *on Islamic grounds*.
More:
But this film is a follow up to film by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula which caused so much outrage around the world.
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Actually, there is absolutely no reason to believe that this is another effort by Nakoula.
But what difference would it make, in any case? What “Americanaa” does not tell you is that in both cases this “outrage” came only from the Muslim world, and the outrage was based on Infidels daring to *tell the truth* about the vicious savagery of Islam.
She wants us to shut up about the horrors of Islam. And why not? This has always been the ugly MO of this Muslim apologist.
More:
To write such a trashy interpretation when we’ve got our own cults that have indulged in this child bride business is ridiculous.
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“Americanaa” is probably referring to cults like Warren Jeffs’. What she does not say is that such pedophilia is *illegal* in the civilized United States, that Jeffs was on the FBI “Most Wanted” list, and that he has since been arrested and sentenced to life in prison.
She *also* won’t tell you that virtually all Americans were horrified by and condemned Jeffs’ crimes—*including* the mainstream Church of Latterday Saints (Mormons).
Would that there was this same condemnation in the Muslim world—or among pious Muslims in the West.
Instead, all too many of them are happy to follow the model of their vicious “Prophet”—including the sacralized rape of little girls.
Also, look at her condemnation of this being a “trashy interpretation”—I suppose she believes that the proper interpretation of Muhammed’s child rape should be *respectful*. *Ugh*.
Mo says
@ gravenimage
“Also, look at her condemnation of this being a “trashy interpretation”—I suppose she believes that the proper interpretation of Muhammed’s child rape should be *respectful*. *Ugh*.”
Yep.
I refuse to be respectful of child rape, nor anyone who commits it, nor anyone who condones it (especially by skirting the issue and not outright condemning it!), nor of any culture that enshrines it as an acceptable practice.
Such individuals and cultures deserve contempt, not respect.
Any sane, civilized human being knows that.
gravenimage says
Hi, Mo. I agree with your comments 100%.
Mo says
@ gravenimage
“Hi, Mo. I agree with your comments 100%.”
Thanks for the info about this poster as well. I can’t remember all these various trolls and troll aliases!
voegelinian says
Speaking of trolls and aliases, I wonder whatever happened to “whatmecare” — the main commenter accused of being Americana (and quite cleverly winning over the confidence of most JWers over time, though he never fooled me).
eib says
The Ummah viciously denigrates every other religion on the planet at least five times a day and often more.
The rape of children, the dispossession of entire communities and cultures, mass murder, and even cultural and religious genocide are all the heart and soul of Islam.
Truly, Islam is profane.
Tradewinds says
What’s offensive is Muhammad not the film. All of the ugly truth getting out there about ‘ol Mo the better. I couldn’t care less whether the barbarians are “inflamed.” Let ’em be inflamed, who gives a damn. And as for “offending” them:
“What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend it doesn’t exist.” – Sir Salman Rushdie
Bradamante says
Yes, it is well worth doing. It helps to raise awareness of the rot at the heart of Islam, and it helps to show that the kuffar are not afraid to tell the truth. And when Muslims start rioting and carrying on, as they no doubt will, it will be an opportunity to talk about the truth about Islam and about freedom of expression.
David says
What is so offensive about it? That, according to the Mohammedan sources, Mohammed ravaged a little girl? Or that some people are reporting on the matter?
If it is offensive (as you admitted), then make the only sensible conclusion–that those parts of Mohammed’s life are offensive. And what kind of credentials has someone got as a prophet to the Divine who is a paedophile (let alone warmonger and mass murderer)? People who honestly believe that shite should have to answer for their beliefs.
This is a way to make clearer and force the issue between those who support and those who oppose paedophilia. Anyone who believes that paedophilia is always and absolutely wrong, ought to question Mohammed’s credentials to being the chosen one of the Divine, among other reasons.
Zathras says
What a simpering, apologetic comment about the documented life of the man who has killed more people than the Black Death a d Smallpox together.
What purpose? Truth! But obviously that evades your indoctrination as the propagated lies about the “perfect man” still have millions in tears or pain.
Champ says
Stanton Cordray wrote:
Is anything really served by making a film like this? I’m all for freedom of expression, but, going out of your way to inflame and offend people when what you are saying is not itself of any particular importance seems a bit counterproductive to me.
The point that child marriage is common in the Muslim world because Mohammed is an example of perfect behaviour to them is no doubt worth making. But nothing will change, not even awareness, because of one offensive film.
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Hillary Clinton, is that you?!
BlackOldCat says
Reading Aisha’s words in Sahih Buhkari are horrible enough – but to see the animated video is a way to spread the graphic images of what this young girl lived and experienced. HER words are from the past – what better way to show them using the VIDEO? I totally agree this is the way to do this and I’m shocked by Aisha’s WORDS COME TO SIGHT !! No different that reading Anne Frank, versus watching the movies about her life.
I hope there will be more animated film of Mohammed and his barbarism – and include the ‘women your right hand possesses, the taking of his adopted son’s wife, the murder of his own Arab tribespeople because they ‘MOCKED’ that hideous 7th century monster. And that is what he is. If it were Hitler, we would have no question of pushing the message the man was a monster. We cannot silence ourselves or we are playing a role in the subjugation of young girls and women. Where are those young African girls now? Same as AISHA – raped and sold as wives to old barbaric men. My prayers go out to all of them, my tears fall for girls and women I don’t even know. WE NEED TO SEE THIS and not hide our heads in the sand.
gravenimage says
Stanton Cordray wrote:
Is anything really served by making a film like this? I’m all for freedom of expression…
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*Really*? It sure as hell doesn’t seem like it…
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…but, going out of your way to inflame and offend people when what you are saying is not itself of any particular importance seems a bit counterproductive to me.
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“People”, huh? Oddly, it seems that only pious Muslims and apologists for the savagery of Islam are offended by this.
Since being frank about the horrors of Islam *always* serves to “inflame and offend” Muslims, you are suggesting that we avoid telling the truth about the “religion of peace”. This is dhimmitude, and it is *exactly* what supremacist Muslims themselves demand.
And what does “inflamed” mean? That they are likely to write a pithy letter to the editor? Of course not. It means that they are apt to become violent—which means that you *are fine* with Muslims censoring us at threat of violence. *Ugh*.
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The point that child marriage is common in the Muslim world because Mohammed is an example of perfect behaviour to them is no doubt worth making. But nothing will change, not even awareness, because of one offensive film.
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Firstly, many Infidels still *don’t* know this. And while we may not be able to influence things directly in Dar-al-Islam, we can certainly refuse to deal with countries that allow child marriage—something we may not even know about if films like this are censored.
And this is *starting to effect the West*—Muslim child marriage is starting to become common here, and if we are clueless about it we are far less likely to be able to do anything about it.
And why do you find a film that tells the truth about the horrific pedophilia at the heart of Islam to be “offensive”? I find *child marriage itself* to be offensive, not *exposing it*.
That you find telling the truth about evil to be offensive says a great deal about you—and nothing good, I’m afraid.
John Duffin says
Big Congratulations to everyone involved in making this production!
All of humanity thanks you for your efforts.
The internet: Where religion goes to die!
gravenimage says
What witless moral equivalence. It’s not “religion” that is sacralizing child rape—just Islam.
John C. Barile says
Let’s see now . . . Pakistan will issue an international arrest warrant for Imran Firasat . . . Interpol will be alerted . . . fatwas against this film will be issued from Morrocco to Indonesia . . . imams will rail, curse, and revile this production and its makers in their khutbas . . . death threats and violence will spring forth and mobs gather to attack anyone and anything associated with this provocation . . . Mr. Obama will sharply condemn this undertaking in the U.N. General Assembly . . . the OIC will campaign all the more insistently for local and global bans on speech that “defames religious sanctities” . . . .
Always On Watch says
How long before YouTube removes this video?
AnneM says
Look for it to land somewhere else.
KrazyKafir says
Yup, it’s pulled now.
mariam rove says
OMG! You thought the last cheesy movie on youtube that caused the jihadists to riot all over the world was bad, wait until this one is released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! M
Angemon says
Not before September 11. Remember Benghazi.
mark says
Muslim extremists can buy the video and hide it under their mattress with their nudy magazines full of American women.
Wellington says
Message to all Muslims and dhimmi supporters of Islam: The founder of a major religion, no matter when the time in history, has no business bedding a nine-year old. One knows this or should know it.
This pedophiliac action alone makes Mohammed a pariah and a fraud, never mind all the other egregious things the Muslim sources relate about their Model Man.
John C. Barile says
Nine lunar years, Wellington, nine lunar years. Nine times 354 days.
Wellington says
Yeah, John C., forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me. So the little girl was really only eight when bedded by the Fraud. Ah, just when you think Islam can’t sink any lower, …..
Salome says
So Mohammad was not quite as old as stated, either? Not much comfort there. (By the way, the images of him in the trailer are very flattering. This film isn’t half as disgusting as it might’ve been.)
voegelinian says
Not only the bedding down of Aisha:
Bukhari (volume 1, book 4, numbers 229-233):
Aisha had to wash and scrape the semen stains off the Prophet’s clothes before he went to prayers…
It is not clear from the surrounding text whether Aisha was 9 at the time she was dutifully scrubbing Mohammed’s cum off his garments, or whether she was 10, 11, 12; or 8 or 7 or even 6. Does it really matter? On this basis alone, all Muslims are damned (whether or not they choose to try sophistry to evade Bukhari’s report).
John C. Barile says
This is a direct challenge to All The Powers That Be, and reaction is sure to follow (regrettably). The ensuing showdown will bring about changes for better and for worse. Freedom of thought and expression will be advanced, or be curtailed and suppressed–probably both.
John C. Barile says
I post drivel sometimes; my Satanic Verses.
Guy Macher says
Everyone copy this video! It will not last long on Youtube! The bridal rape scene will be the main reason.
Good work!
voegelinian says
I’m computer-illiterate. How does one copy a video?
pdxnag says
We certainly could not have a children’s theater production depicting a jihadi vision of heaven.
Isn’t kiddy porn banned everywhere? There must certainly be a high risk of stiff jail sentences and a life of registering as a sex offender for producing, and perhaps even possessing, the film. Yet the prospect of criminalizing the presentation of the life of mohammad does put government officials in a bind, particularly those who want to do cartwheels to satisfy the Muslims who have cultivated the view of Muslims as victims.
This trailer itself should be quite enough to invite violent outrage by the pious. I’d say that they cannot let this trailer pass without shouting allahu akbar as they shed some blood. The stage for this act of the drama “Islamic Conquest” has been set and the curtain is drawing open . . .
bernie says
Japan only banned child porn this year; however, the ban doesn’t extend to animated images, so I understand.
Michael Copeland says
In the previous low budget video, “Innocence of Muslims”, Mohammed’s life was faithfully depicted as recorded in the revered Islamic sources.
The White House’s opinion?
“We find it disgusting and reprehensible.”
voegelinian says
One odd thing about the video: at the end, they list “Partners” who have supported the project. One of them is the “Danish Islamic Council”. This is an organization of Muslims in Denmark that has been behind the construction of a mega-mosque in Copenhagen.
About this, a Gatestone Institute article noted:
Copenhagen City Council member Lars Aslan Rasmussen said, “Gifts like these from Qatar are not free and I am worried that Muslims in Denmark risk becoming radicalized and pushed even further from the society that they should be a part of.”
Rasmussen added that the 25,000 member Danish Islamic Council (Dansk Islamisk Råd) — a Muslim umbrella group that is building the mosque — belongs to the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Europe (FIOE), which has close connections to both Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3968/denmark-grand-mosque
Very odd indeed. The only reasonable conclusion is that the D.I.C. is an example of some ultra-clever stealth jihad.
Alongside “Danish Islamic Council” in the video’s listing of partners we also see the name “Scarlatti Bombatti”, apparently associated with the D.I.C. I tried a bit of Googling to see where Ms. Bombatti stands on Islam, and only found a smattering of comments she has made in various places seeming to show conservative bonafides.
voegelinian says
Woops — the “Partner” at the closing credits is the “Dutch Islamic Council”, not the Danish Islamic Council.
Back to the Googling board.
voegelinian says
Okay, now about the Dutch Islamic Council. This report states:
“The Dutch Islamic Council that includes 40 Islamic institutions stated that Wilders’ film [Fitna] is a threat to the peaceful coexistence in the country, calling on him to engage in dialogue with the Council in order to abolish his fears about Islam and explain Shari’ah.”
http://www.arabwestreport.info/year-2008/week-4/5-netherlands-new-attacks-against-islam
So this Islamic institution that balked at Geert Wilders’ film Fitna now supports a film that vividly blasphemes against their Prophet…? Doesn’t pass the smell test.
shortfattexan says
Well, at least they were “calling on him to engage in dialogue ” instead of calling for him to be beheaded.
So maybe they really are legit.
Or maybe not, who knows? I’m totally guessing. I never heard of them till just now and I know nothing about them except what you said in your post.
voegelinian says
shortfattexan,
It’s impossible for them to be legit, since they can’t possibly be ignorant of Islam and know that blasphemy against Muhammad is a capital crime in Islamic law. I smell a Dutch Quilliam Foundation. I emailed Imran Firasat to ask him what’s up with this.
voegelinian says
I emailed the film maker Imran Firasat nearly two days ago and asked him why the Dutch Islamic Council is supporting the project. He hasn’t responded yet. I also just emailed the Dutch Islamic Council (at least I think it is — I was only able to find “Islamitische Raad Nederland”, and with the predilection of Muslims to generate a jungle of alphabet-soup organizations, I wouldn’t be surprised if I got the wrong one…).
gravenimage says
Odd. Thanks for the research. Voegelinian
Ashley says
Whoa, voegelinian…I didn’t pay attention to the credits after viewing the trailer. My bad. I agree, “Danish Islamic Council” leaves me scratching my head.
Very suspicious…
Beagle says
I predict showing this film in Sweden will be only slightly more illegal than murder.
cranky.white.woman says
“Will there be bloody riots, or peaceful protest? ”
Smart money’s on bloody riots.
mariam rove says
Yes. There will be. M
shortfattexan says
True, but those were going to happen anyway. If it’s not this video, it will be something else.
duh_swami says
I don’t doubt this movie will tic off a lot of Mahoundians. But ‘Frankly my dear, I don’t give a …’ They tic me off every day…
Tradewinds says
I’m offended by mass-murdering over-populating Islam and it’s psychotic followers every single day.
Peter Buckley says
This is interesting. When I googled realislamtv, I got 2 websites:
The one that is producing this film:
http://www.realislamtv.org/
Then there is this one:
http://www.realislamtv.com/
In other words, people looking for the PRO-Islam website, may end up looking at the other one. Clever or what?
Rezali Mehil says
Hmmmm!!!!
It hurt me …but I did watch the disgusting trailer.
The angle that you people see is that …Muhammad SAW /Aiesha is a dirty perverted relationship. But the Muslim (and especially the Muslimah) see it from a spiritual aspect…i.e. she was ordained, she was the luckiest child on this duniyah at the time. She went on to have a child so clearly she was OK and she served the prophet SAW very well in all aspects of life.
One must remember that only a chosen few received seed from the prophet SAW, and in the main other than the jewess who poisoned him …all of the others were grateful for such a life giving gift.
This gift is not only seed but it represents the flowering of Islam in all it’s glory. Had the jewess not interfered …there would have been an orderly transition to the next leader …and Muhammad would have left Islam in the safe hands of the Shite.
Now that did not happen, the jew naturally has ruined this transition as did the sunni side of things.
That is the real story to be told….it would be a much more relevant film to make…i.e. why not portray the life of the prophet SAW living to grand old age..shrugging off the poison of the jewess, and handing over power to his deserving chosen …by Muhammad SAW , for Islam to truly turn out to be the religion of peace.
Perhaps in THAT movie prominent jewesses can form a line a thousand strong (covering their hair) and read out together a verse… apologizing for the treachery of the jewess and making overtures of peace by supporting the passing of half of Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine.
More later …
Rezali
Champ says
It’s hard to believe, but the revolting and soulless mohammedan “rezali mehil” has reaaaally outdone himself this time with his disgusting show-of-support for moohamhead: the sexual deviant and child molester. His above comment reveals *once again* that he is one sick and perverted person …yuk
moohamhead was a vile low-life, and now “rezali mehil” takes second place, so congratulations slave. Yeah this vile comment will be hard to beat, even by his low standards.
Yeah, go away.
Cherish freedom says
That is just stupid. That’s all you have to say? This reveals who you are… Uneducated, unexposed, brainwashed, backwards, and ridiculous. I’d like to say this is entertaining – and I admit – it’s so stupid I laughed, but it’s more frightening to know you really think this.
For the record, any western society would welcome a Jewish friend or neighbor. They are good people.
Vapourking says
Rezali
Your mental illness is getting worse get some help love, being an asslifter it’ll be free as well.
Jay Boo says
Rezali Mehil said,
“This gift is not only seed but it represents the flowering of Islam in all it’s glory.”
The flower-illusion of Islam has long withered to reveal it was nothing but a cage of thorns growing in the cesspool of Islamic depravity.
cat says
As a mental health professional, I advise you to seek help.
Champ says
lol!! 😀 …it’s so true but your comment struck my funny bone!
cat says
well champ only someone who is clearly a lunatic would write such drivel 🙂 as Rezali
Mirren10 says
Errch !!
Every time you post, I always think you can’t crawl any lower, and every time, you prove me wrong.
”It hurt me …”
Not as much, I’ll bet, as it hurt Aisha.
”But the Muslim (and especially the Muslimah) see it from a spiritual aspect … ”
There is nothing ‘spiritual’ about raping a child. The fact that you, and other mohammedans, think there is, neatly underlines the essential evil pathology at the heart of islam.
And **that** rezali the repulsive, is why islam will never make any headway amongst decent, civilised people.
medina says
Rezi, I’m going to chalk this up to another bad crotch day for you. Have you ever ridden a bicycle? The pain of all that scar tissue and the memory of your mother holding you down and prying your legs apart…why, Aisha is your patroness!
It is understandable that this video stirs unrest and pain in you, but we have to be honest. The alternative is more people–like you.
St. Michael Defend Us says
To what child did Aisha give birth? I could not find it on the internet. Even if she DID give birth to a child, why would that mean she was OK? She was OK because she survived and didn’t die after being raped?
When muhammed died, it was the jewish woman’s fault that there was not an orderly handing off of power? muhammed was getting old enough, why had he not made provision for this? Why had he not named a successor?
I think that, even if he HAD named a successor, there STILL would have been infighting and warring among the muslims. It is just like a gang, or mafia, just a battle among the members over who would ultimately run the con game.
cheekturner says
@ Rezali
One must remember that only a chosen few received seed from the prophet SAW, and in the main other than the jewess who poisoned him …all of the others were grateful for such a life giving gift.
Yeah only a few received seed from the profit cos he was like Islam totally IMPOTANT. (See ole Mo suffered dislexia and he thought he was IMPORTANT.) But many more unfortunate people (note the absence of gender) were assaulted by this filth merchant Mudhutmad
This gift is not only seed but it represents the flowering of Islam in all it’s glory. Had the jewess not interfered …there would have been an orderly transition to the next leader …and Muhammad would have left Islam in the safe hands of the Shite.
Ho ho Rezali! Yuh nailed it there. Shite it was and shite it remains. Well done
Now go forth and multiply in short jerky movements.
Mo says
@ Rezali Mehil
“It hurt me …but I did watch the disgusting trailer.
The angle that you people see is that …Muhammad SAW /Aiesha is a dirty perverted relationship.”
An old man raping a 9 year old IS a “dirty and perverted relationship”. Sane people know this.
“But the Muslim (and especially the Muslimah) see it from a spiritual aspect…i.e. she was ordained, she was the luckiest child on this duniyah at the time. She went on to have a child so clearly she was OK and she served the prophet SAW very well in all aspects of life.
One must remember that only a chosen few received seed from the prophet SAW, and in the… ”
And that’s as far as I read of your vile comment.
Thank you for posting this. To see a Muslim (or a Muslim supporter) actually advocating for this child rape is preferable to them denying it happened.
Know that I loathe this perverted death cult with all my soul. Know that. Know that I will never submit to it or be silenced in speaking out against it.
Know that.
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THIS is the ideology against which we are fighting.
Islam is a demonic ideology that has enshrined child rape as a good thing.
We must never, ever, EVER give up or give in to it!
gravenimage says
The repulsive Rezali Mehil wrote:
Hmmmm!!!!
It hurt me …but I did watch the disgusting trailer.
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Please note that the only reason Rezali Mehil found this hurtful and disgusting was because the film does not *laud* child rape.
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The angle that you people see is that …Muhammad SAW /Aiesha is a dirty perverted relationship. But the Muslim (and especially the Muslimah) see it from a spiritual aspect…i.e. she was ordained, she was the luckiest child on this duniyah at the time.
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Isn’t every victim of child rape “lucky”? Wait…no…that would be the pedophile who abuses them.
Actually, the vile Rezali Mehil has many times waxed lyrical about child rape. This was her response when I criticized the “Prophet’s” vicious pedophilia:
“What a disgusting person you are for attempting to portray something that was holy matrimony ordained by Allah SWT into this. – Shame on you kufr”
Here’s my drawing of little Aisha. You can find Rezali Mehil’s foul post in the comments:
http://s478.photobucket.com/user/gravenimageartist/media/AishasWedding-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0&_suid=1403830646953023425304214470088
She considers child rape *holy*—*ugh*.
But this is nothing unusual—it is orthodox Islam.
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She went on to have a child so clearly she was OK and she served the prophet SAW very well in all aspects of life.
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Two things here—firstly, giving birth is hardly proof that one has not been abused—after all, women who have been tortured and raped have often been impregnated.
Secondly, rather famously, Aisha *never did* have a child. While we can never be sure, having been raped regularly from the tender age of nine may well have had a lot to do with that.
So Rezali Mehil’s “argument”—spurious as it is—doesn’t even hold up by her own criteria. What a surprise…
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One must remember that only a chosen few received seed from the prophet SAW, and in the main other than the jewess who poisoned him …all of the others were grateful for such a life giving gift.
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Yes—I’m sure all those victims of Jihad rape and sex slavery were just thrilled…sarc/off
One such victim was Safiyya, who was raped by Muhammed the night that the “Prophet” had had her father and husband murdered and her whole tribe either murdered or sold into slavery…
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This gift is not only seed but it represents the flowering of Islam in all it’s glory. Had the jewess not interfered …there would have been an orderly transition to the next leader …and Muhammad would have left Islam in the safe hands of the Shite.
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The usual, just with a Shi’ite twist. That islam would have been completely peaceful if it hadn’t been for the “perfidious Joooooos*. Just grimly laughable, considering how Sunnis and Shi’ites have been slaughtering each other for almost 1400 years.
And also the usual—that Shi’ites are the only “true” Muslims, and that Sunnis have it all wrong. Of course, Sunnis think the same way—and they are both happy to butcher each other to prove it. *Ugh*.
And note that Rezali Mehil Islam “in all it’s (sic) glory” is *represented by child rape*. *Horrible*.
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Now that did not happen, the jew naturally has ruined this transition as did the sunni side of things.
That is the real story to be told….it would be a much more relevant film to make…i.e. why not portray the life of the prophet SAW living to grand old age..shrugging off the poison of the jewess, and handing over power to his deserving chosen …by Muhammad SAW , for Islam to truly turn out to be the religion of peace.
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“Religion of peace”—meaning they would just be mass murdering Infidels, and not each other…
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Perhaps in THAT movie prominent jewesses can form a line a thousand strong (covering their hair) and read out together a verse… apologizing for the treachery of the jewess and making overtures of peace by supporting the passing of half of Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine.
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Sickening—the idea that Jews should “apologize” and further enable Muslims to slaughter them for daring to resist Muslim barbarism in the first place. *Yuk*.
Rezali Mehil says
Graven, Graven, Graven …up to your old tricks again….speaking for others …interpreting with your garbage analysis.
You said you had no children…how is that seed from you husband coming along then?…just a few lonely spermatozoa swimming around …not being able to complete the swim then ?
Seedless like the Jaffa orange I’ll bet…and knowing that …you put up with drawing paintings of children being done over. How is your mindset when you are drawing graven…is it a dark one …you are the sick one.
Allah SAW has decided not to bless you with children due to your ego woman…..Live with it …oh and do try and make hubby understand…
Muhammed SWT managed to keep all his women happy …your man cannot even make one happy?
More Later….
Rezali
cheekturner says
Rezali you really did nail it in your post when you stated that Mudhutmad would have passed on the religion (Ha! ha! sarc/off) to the safe hands …”OF THE SHITE(sic)” (caps. mine)
Yeah Thrush, Shite it was and SHITE it remains as per the garbage that comes from your vile mouth presented here as posts.
gravenimage says
The repellant Rezali Mehil wrote:
Graven, Graven, Graven …up to your old tricks again….speaking for others …interpreting with your garbage analysis.
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Notice that Rezali Mehil doesn’t actually *refute* anything I said. But really, how could she?
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Seedless like the Jaffa orange I’ll bet…and knowing that …you put up with drawing paintings of children being done over…
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Actually, much of my work is quite sunny—that is not possible, however, when cataloging the horror of Islamic child rape.
And notice her bizarre assertion that only someone without children could be disturbed by sacralized pedophilia. But this is clearly a lie—many parents, including Philip Jihadski here, have expressed their rage and disgust over this victimization of the innocent.
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… How is your mindset when you are drawing graven…is it a dark one …you are the sick one.
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I’d generally describe it as “righteous anger”—this *is* dark, but only because of the nature of the crime being condemned.
In light of the subject, it is actually quite cleansing.
Here’s the work in question again, in case anyone missed it:
http://s478.photobucket.com/user/gravenimageartist/media/AishasWedding-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0&_suid=1403830646953023425304214470088
Note that Rezali Mehil considers such condemnation to be “sick”—while she considers the *lauding* of such crimes to be healthy.
She is perfectly happy to hand over children to pedophiles for abuse.
And yet…despite her admiration for the rape of children, it is notable that she didn’t sell her *own* daughters over to pedophiles for abuse.
I’ve often wondered why—was it due to the influence of civilized Infidels in Britain that gave her pause? Was it simple fear of running afoul of Kaffir laws against such evil?
Or was it that last vestige of decency—that she couldn’t bring herself to subject *her own* little girls to such abuse?
Even if we accept this as evidence of some small remaining aspect of humanity that hasn’t been beaten out of her, though, one thing is abundantly clear: that she is all too happy to subject *other little children* to rape and terror in the name of her foul creed. *Ugh*.
eib says
Quote:
This gift is not only seed but it represents the flowering of Islam in all it’s glory.
end
Your religion is profane.
Your prophet is false.
Your culture is corrupt.
Your society and political structure are ruined, having rotted from the inside.
Rape is no gift.
The rape of a child is no blessing.
Truly, Islam is profane.
cherish freedom says
Let’s give a round of applause for the brave men and women who produced this film. It is about time that Westerners heard the truth about this violent, religiously -inspired form of psychopathy.
And in watching this trailer, and having watched news of the global tragedies throughout time that were created by muslims, it is clear that this cult of terror is not moving forward, has not advanced, has not contributed to the greater good, and will continue down its constant path of rape, murder, and complete destruction.
I was born free and embrace my freedom, my faith, and my culture.
Go away, muslims. Go far, far away. There is no place for you here.
Tradewinds says
“Go away, muslims. Go far, far away. There is no place for you here.”
How about their own planet? Way far away through a worm hole into another galaxy.
Is that far enough?
Aardvark says
No! That is not enough!
If mohammedans are in a far galaxy, they will still be enslaving and mutilating women, and still molesting innocent children.
I want Islam to be totally eradicated from all galaxies in all parts of the multiverse.
I want Islam to be nothing but a nasty, fading memory; a footnote in the history books.
Tradewinds says
Fine by me.
Champ says
Team Obama will throw this filmmaker under the bus if there’s another terrorist attack like Benghazi …
John C. Barile says
. . . And the First Amendment along with him.
Edmonton says
Mohammed was a true prophet.
The prophet of Satan. His birthplace has hastened in global warming so Satan may manifest himself on this planet. Allah is simply one of Satan’s moon god demons.
Champ says
Hear, hear!!
Mark Dertouzos says
Damn.
Christians and Catholics must be hella ashamed of all the child raping by Christian Pastors and Catholic Priests that he have to use a dude who lived 1,400 years ago as an excuse.
Misery loves company.
Bradamante says
Kindly point out the passages in Christian scripture that are used by Christian pastors to justify the rape of children. If you could also list the governments that cite Christian scripture to justify keeping child marriage legal, that would be helpful as well. I’ll wait while you attempt to find any examples of either of these.
Marriage of little girls (and hence the rape of little girls) is explicitly allowed in Islam. Islamic governments cite Islamic texts to prove that they should not change their laws.
Angemon says
Catholics ARE Christians, you ignorant dumbass. Please specify which other sect of christians you’re talking about when saying “Christian Pastors and Catholic Priests”. In any case, that’s a red herring. Christian priests who abused children did so against the tenants of their faith, just like the higher ups who covered them, not because they were imitating their Prophet or because their scriptures mandated them to do so. Not only your argument is ignorant, it also fails at the moral equivalence level you were trying to set up.
So i suggest you crawl back to whatever islamic/leftist/anti-christian black hole of ideas you usually hang out in, we have enough ignorant comic reliefs as it is right now (and you’re not even that comic in the first place, although you aced the ignorant part like a pro).
dumbledoresarmy says
Good post.
However: you wrote – “against the tenants of their faith”.
It should have been “against the tenets of their faith”.
Tenants = people paying rent to live in a room, flat, or house.
Tenets = doctrines, beliefs.
Sorry to be pedantic.
Angemon says
Indeed, i stand corrected 😀
I’d love to “blame” Swiftkey for doing its job – i probably misspelled it as “tenents” and it auto-corrected to “tenants”- but i should have proof-read before posting so, my bad.
Thanks for the correction, and don’t worry, you’re not being pedantic.
John C. Barile says
Our Lord Jesus clearly warned us about scandal against the least of His little ones.
cheekturner says
@ Mark
“Misery loves company”
Misery would enjoy your miserable company then. Before commenting and quoting spuriously and erroneously get yourself educated in the facts.
Fact 1: The incidence of child abuse within the Catholic priesthood is per capita below that in secular society. But child abuse in secular society is not as juicy a headline as child abuse within religious enclaves, headlines which are aimed at trolls like you for avid consumption
Fact 2: Not one Christian I know or have heard of has tried to use the excuse that because mudhutmad did it, it’s okay for our spiritual leaders to do likewise.
Fact 3: All true Christians, agnostics, atheists and other real human beings utterly deplore the antics of mudhutmad and likewise those who follow his example whether religiously titled or secular.
You are a Knob mate.
Mo says
@ Mark Dertouzos
“Damn.
Christians and Catholics must be hella ashamed of all the child raping by Christian Pastors and Catholic Priests that he have to use a dude who lived 1,400 years ago as an excuse.
Misery loves company.”
There are no Scriptures or Catholic teachings commanding or condoning child rape.
Now, anything to say on this movie or on the child rapist Mohammad?
gravenimage says
It is only Muslims who use “the Prophet” as a model for child rape. Any Christian clerics who abuse children know that their crimes are *not* condoned by their faith—that’s why they act in secret.
Unlike pious Muslims, who proudly proclaim the desirability of child marriage, and enshrine it in Shari’ah law.
mortimer says
To protest this animated film, Muslims must DEFEND PEDOPHILIA. This is the untenable position of Islam today. Modern psychiatry is agreed that pedophilia is psychologically damaging. There is no defense for Islam. Mohammed was undoubtedly a pedophile and must be condemned for it. Therefore, Mohammed is a false prophet. Therefore, Islam is false.
The Prophet says
Disgusting as it is, the truth must be revealed. These people are disgusting at best.
CogitoErgoSum says
I think if a writer were trying to come up with the most slimy and disgusting character possible for a book or movie, using Muhammad as a model would be the way to go. The man is a perfect example all right….a perfect example of how NOT to live your life. He is the epitome of evil. Just thinking about some of the things he did makes me feel dirty inside…. a true-to-life depiction of his deeds in a movie turns such a film into pornography and a glorification of gratuitous sex and violence. I wonder what justification YouTube gave for pulling this particular video: pornography? graphic depiction of child abuse? hate speech? being offensive to Muslims? And yet billions consider the Quran a miracle and think Muhammad lived a holy life worth emulating. …????? All based on the word of Muhammad himself and no one else. I don’t get it…..and never will.
ecosse1314 says
In answer to Razzily. Surely if Mohamhead was truly allahs divinely appointed prophet then Allah could have stopped the Jewess poisoning the old fraud.
That Allah failed to stop the death of his alleged prophet means he ( mo) was no more a prophet than i am.
Angemon says
Oh, it seems that allah had a little more to do with it than just letting muhammad ingest the poison…
OldBlackCat says
FINALLY! This film is a GREAT idea! Should be shown to children of age 9 and up, so we’ll hope their parents see to do this. We are horrified to see the Pedophile Prophet in “action” from Sahih Buhkari as descriptions from the pages are shown on a video come to technicolor life. Takes on a more horrible presentation, doesn’t it as compared to reading how vile Mohammed was and his teachings are just self-serving. A vile, old, warped man, who had ‘exceptions’ for himself for wives, rules for others didn’t apply to him. How self serving! Marriage to an old rich widow, then a 9 year old, then the captive slaves that ‘the right hand possesses’. Then the marriage to his adopted son’s wife! More self-serving. What is wrong with muslims that they don’t see this hypocrisy? Do they NOT READ THE KORAN, or SAHIH Buhkari? Anything? Is the IQ low? Is the educational level low or nonexistent? Is the propaganda factor high? Of course! Are the barbarians conduct against everything that we modern societies should exclude from our countries? Should this travesty against women be allowed in modern Western countries? NO! Are muslims bringing in multiple wives and subjecting them onto our welfare roles? Sure! Should this stop? Yes! Should immigration files be searched and people like this deported? Yes!
SHOULD MORE FILMS be shown about Mohammed and his murder of other people, other ARABS included? Mockers of his own tribe? Absolutely!
I fully support this action and pray more will hit the internet!
We’ll be watching our ‘elected’ representatives and taking notice on who NOT TO VOTE FOR depending on their condoning this behavior of a whole political system – the EVIL OF ISLAM !!
Thinking From First Principles says
To accompany the movie, perhaps someone with expertise in the law could draft a proposal for Shariah-compliant revision of our sex offender laws and publicize it for what it is … the reality of what would be required to revise our laws to be consistent with the perfect example for all time. Imagine if a legislator, playing the devil’s advocate, was to actually propose those changes in order to force a public discussion by the mainstream?
squeezethejuice says
Once again the Westerners are trying to impose their own decadent vision of how society should be run. In the West it is customary for a woman to marry at 40, not a virgin and having spent time in many sinful relationships with men she was sexually attracted to, only to settle for any fool who would still marry her at this age and unable to bear him any children – or give birth to monsters b/c of complications due to advanced age.
In Islam, on the contrary, it is believed that a husband should be allowed to enjoy the entire length of time his wife is young, beautiful and able to bear him children. Similarly a wife should enjoy the protection of a man at the height of his status and power, when he is no longer a boy but a man who can provide wealth for his wife and children.
Is it any wonder that more and more men and women are becoming sick of Western culture in which things like love become impossible to develop b/c both men and women are sleeping with others? Is it any wonder that they are flocking to Islam, a religion that promotes happiness for both men and women, allowing them to follow their own natural roles in life as given by Allah (swt)?
Champ says
I’ll assume you’re being sarcastic …
:-/
And for what it’s worth, islam brings nothing but hell on earth!
Champ says
(ok guys I know he isn’t being sarcastic, but his comment is so ridiculous and **twisted** by islamic thought–that it’s hard to get my mind around).
Get. Lost. slave.
Angemon says
squeezethejuice posted:
“Once again the Westerners are trying to impose their own decadent vision of how society should be run.”
Taking a stance against child abuse qualifies as “decadent”? You’re a disgusting piece of human waste.
“In the West it is customary for a woman to marry at 40, not a virgin and having spent time in many sinful relationships with men she was sexually attracted to, only to settle for any fool who would still marry her at this age and unable to bear him any children – or give birth to monsters b/c of complications due to advanced age.”
Notice that the notion that women can marry out of love, divorce and marry later on – again, out of love – is completly alien to stj. As for giving birth to monsters you might want to tell your co-religionists to stop marrying their cousins.
“In Islam, on the contrary, it is believed that a husband should be allowed to enjoy the entire length of time his wife is young, beautiful and able to bear him children.”
Notice the contradiction: women having a relationship with someone they’re sexually attracted to : bad. Men marrying women for being young and beautiful: good. So, stj, what happens when the woman stops being young, pretty and is too old to bear children?
“ Similarly a wife should enjoy the protection of a man at the height of his status and power, when he is no longer a boy but a man who can provide wealth for his wife and children.”
So women should marry men because of their money and social status? In the west, when a woman is with a man for financial reason, we call that prostitution.
Pfffft, seems like islam is the perfect religion for ugly and fat old man who can’t get sex without having to pay for it.
“Is it any wonder that more and more men and women are becoming sick of Western culture in which things like love become impossible to develop b/c both men and women are sleeping with others?”
The contradiction about women getting tired of men sleeping with other women isn’t obvious to stj – figures, parrots lack critical thinking. In any way, stj is suggesting that women who are tired of man sleeping around with others are converting to a religion that allows men to have 4 wives and any number of sex slaves – once again, stj fails at spotting the glaring the contradiction.
“Is it any wonder that they are flocking to Islam, a religion that promotes happiness for both men and women, allowing them to follow their own natural roles in life as given by Allah (swt)?”
“Natural roles”? By his description, women are supposed to whore themselves out for house and food and the only chance men have of getting a wife (or more) that’s young, pretty and able to bear children is to have power and money. See, that’s the reason why young muslims willing blow themselves up – they can’t wet their beak because girls of their age have been married since they were 9 and they’re dirt poor because, well, islam, so their only chance at getting some are the fabled 72 virgins in paradise.
Now begone, like i said, we already have enough ignorant comic relief posters.
cheekturner says
@ sueezethejuice
I quote from your post
Is it any wonder that more and more men and women are becoming sick of Western culture in which things like love become impossible to develop b/c both men and women are sleeping with others? Is it any wonder that they are flocking to Islam, a religion that promotes happiness for both men and women, allowing them to follow their own natural roles in life as given by Allah (swt)?
Is the real reason that a few idiots turn to Islime that they can have four wives, as many as their right hand owns (concubines or slaves) and can also rape any infidel (note absence of gender) in the interest of furthering islime and all with the blessing of allah?
And isn’t it quaint that your juvenile diciples all enjoy taking part in the decadent western habit of having sexual relations with as many of the opposite and the same sex as possible. Or is this practice a pious muslime’s devotion to Taqquiya and carried out to deceive us into thinking they are “normal” and “moderate” and dutifuly carried out in obedience to allah despite their natural inclination to abhorr such activity?
Your’e another Knob mate.
cheekturner says
Typo
should be
You’re another Knob mate.
cheekturner says
Just to confirm my above post
Oxford Mail The charges relate to five girls aged between 13 and 15 and are said to have taken place between 2011 and this year. All of the men, who are aged between 19 and 21 and Muslim, were remanded in custody to appear at Oxford Crown Court on July 4.
The men are:
Ahmed Hassan-Sule, aged 20, of Glyndebourne Gardens, Banbury, charged with nine counts of sexual activity with a child.
Said Saleh, aged 20, of Orchard Way Banbury, charged with one count of sexual activity with a child.
Mohamed Saleh, aged 21, of Orchard Way, Banbury, charged with two counts of sexual activity with a child and one count of rape of a female under 16.
Takudzwa Hova, aged 21, of Broughton Road, Banbury, charged with one count sexual activity with a child, one count of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity and one count of rape of a female under 16.
Kagiso Manase, aged 20, of Warwick Road, Banbury, charged with three counts of sexual activity with a child and two counts of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.
Alexandru Nae, aged 19, of Broome Way, Banbury, charged with one count of sexual activity with a child and one count of rape of a child under 16.
Hope someone around the Banbury area knows these turds.
squeezethejuice says
The more I read the answers of the infidels, the more I am convinced that they are jealous of Muslims that they don’t have a young wife between 15 and 17 years of age. And who will stay beautiful even after 10 years, and also loyal to their husbands.
cheekturner says
Hey, Thrush, have you noticed how butt ugly your “wives” usually are. No wonder you want them covered in oversized balaclavas.
I have a wife (only one!) and have had for 40 years and she still is beautiful to behold physically and spiritually and I wouldn’t trade her for any muslimah, all of whom are devoid of any beauty whatsoever, but moreover are repugnant due to the stench of islime.
See the above post? Child abuse at the hands of muslime youths, not secular or religious youths but MUSLIME youths. Got it yet Thrush?
You and yours are welcome to your absurd view on life and the deviant practices you hold holy, but for your own sake take them back to the bedouin shitholes they originated from.
cheekturner says
@ squeezethejuice
quote: ” The more I read the answers of the infidels, the more I am convinced that they are jealous (sic) of Muslims that they don’t have a young wife between 15 and 17 years of age.”
It is impossible for any infidel to be jealous of Muslimes who have young “wives” between 15 and 17 years of age. It is impossible to be jealous of something you don’t possess.
However perhaps being obviously uneducated you meant to imply that infidels may be, or rather are, envious. I for one usually dispose of rubbish at the local tip.
cat says
if wives stay loyal under islam it is because their husbands beat them and they live in fear of being the victims of an honour killing. hardly an ad for Islamic marriage.
Actually you make muslim men sound very shallow, they just want beauty ( they don’t want any intellectual stimulation or sense of humour). its just about sex, you can beat her if she doesn’t provide sex on demand, and when she gets old, just get another younger wife.
Ashley says
Squeezethejuice…your entire comment is repulsive and ludicrous…for a fleeting moment I thought, “surely you jest.”
“In Islam, on the contrary, it is believed that a husband should be allowed to enjoy the entire length of time his wife is young, beautiful and able to bear him children.”
Young, beautiful and able to bear him children? Like an eight year old “wife” being savagely raped by her “husband”?
I sure as hell hope you are on some sex offender registry and being carefully monitored. May you never get within 10,000 miles of a child.
Mo says
@ Squeezethejuice
“Once again the Westerners are trying to impose their own decadent vision of how society should be run.”
Speaking out against child rape is a “decadent vision of how society should be run”?
“In the West it is customary for a woman to marry at 40, not a virgin and having spent time in many sinful relationships with men she was sexually attracted to, only to settle for any fool who would still marry her at this age and unable to bear him any children – or give birth to monsters b/c of complications due to advanced age.”
Wow, 40 is “advanced age”?
Well, I guess it is, when compared to age 6…
The rest of your filth is not worth my brain power to read.
Your death cult has no place in civilized countries.
gravenimage says
Is it any surprise that sickening apologists for Muslim perversion have been coming out of the woodwork on this thread? *Ugh*.
The disgusting “squeezethejuice” (squeeze the Jews) wrote:
Once again the Westerners are trying to impose their own decadent vision of how society should be run.
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What could be more “decadent” than trying to protect children from pedophiles? *Ugh*. More of the Muslim view of “morality”.
More:
In the West it is customary for a woman to marry at 40, not a virgin and having spent time in many sinful relationships with men she was sexually attracted to, only to settle for any fool who would still marry her at this age and unable to bear him any children – or give birth to monsters b/c of complications due to advanced age.
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What crap. This is the twisted Muslim view of what it means to marry for love, rather than being forced into marriage as a prepubescent child with an old man.
It is also bullsh*t for another reason—the fact is that birth defects complications from pregnancy are *much less common* in the civilized West than they are among Muslims. And besides frequently sub-standard or non-existent medical care, one of the major reasons for this are cousin marriage and underage girls trying to bring pregnancies to term.
More:
In Islam, on the contrary, it is believed that a husband should be allowed to enjoy the entire length of time his wife is young, beautiful and able to bear him children.
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And note that those “rights” for the husband needn’t involve the consent of the “wife” at all.
And why should this surprise? Beside forced child marriage, rape and sex slavery are perfectly acceptable in Islam, as well.
And according to this pious Muslim, that starts when the “wife” is in grade school.
And no nine-year-old child is able to bear children. In fact, this may well be why Aisha never bore Muhammed children, having been raped from when she was a young child may well have damaged her and rendered her unable to conceive.
More:
Similarly a wife should enjoy the protection of a man at the height of his status and power,
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You mean when he’s at the peak of his wife-beating years?
More:
when he is no longer a boy but a man who can provide wealth for his wife and children.
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And yet, the West is far more affluent than any part of Dar-al-Islam save that flush with unearned oil wealth. Why might that be?
More:
Is it any wonder that more and more men and women are becoming sick of Western culture in which things like love become impossible to develop b/c both men and women are sleeping with others?
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What *absolute crap*. Love is impossible with forced marriage, pedophila, polygamy, the “Triple Talaq” summary divorce, wife=-beating, and “Honor Killing”.
In fact, one of the things Muslims most abhor about the free world is that people can *marry for love*.
More:
Is it any wonder that they are flocking to Islam, a religion that promotes happiness for both men and women, allowing them to follow their own natural roles in life as given by Allah (swt)?
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There’s very little happiness for women in Islam—see my list, above.
And most Western “reverts” are hopeless losers. The women tend to be the same sort of dysfunctional types who marry men on death row, and the men are generally thugs who can’t attract free women, and assume their only chance is where some woman will be *compelled* to marry them by force. *Ugh*.
More:
The more I read the answers of the infidels, the more I am convinced that they are jealous of Muslims that they don’t have a young wife between 15 and 17 years of age.
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Or 8 or 9 years of age—isn’t that what you really mean? It may come as a surprise that healthy Western men *aren’t* attracted to schoolchildren.
In fact, decent Western men feel compelled to *protect* little kids—not rape them.
More:
And who will stay beautiful even after 10 years, and also loyal to their husbands.
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And how is that “loyalty” ensured? Not through love and mutual respect, but just through the threat of “Honor Killing” if they are not. And, of course, there is no such stricture on Muslim *men* to remain loyal their wives. And why would there be? After all, women are regarded as nothing but “tilth”. *Ugh*.
Ashley says
When I read Squeezethejuice’s post I said to myself “whoa…graven is eventually going to come around and rip this POS to shreds with her signature paragraph parsing!”
You did not disappoint!
Thank you!
gravenimage says
Thank you, Ashley—I really appreciate your kind words.
Vapourking says
Yep the Muslim man can provide wealth for his wife and children, providing he can leech off the West, b/c as you know Islam has never produced anything, nothing, not a thing, Islam the perfect parasite requires a host, remove the host and Islam comes crashing down.
Ooch!! Hurts doesn’t when you realise how dependant you are on us?
All Islam worries about is moral corruption to the point it destroys itself, well wacko that’s helpful, keep kidding yourself about people flocking to it average length of a new convert is 10 months, wake up inbred your religion’s coming to an end.
cat says
You are barking mad. Many women are happy not to be married or to marry later in life. Being a virgin is not commendable in and of itself. Muslim women are terrorised into staying virgins because they know brainwashed men and women will kill them if they as much as look at a man, or go out unaccompanied by a male relative, etc. Many muslim women are not virgins because of any personal commitment to chastity but out of pure fear of your evil cult.
Western women can freely access education, buy their home, drive a car, etc and don’t need a man to “protect”” them. Under Islam men are not protectors but oppressors. Under islam your husband is that charming man who is allowed to beat you and kill your child with impunity under sharia. Please don’t give me a husband, I don’t want a muslim wife beater and potential wife/child murderer should I or my potential offspring displease my muslim husband.
The only western women who join islam are morons or the ill informed.
voegelinian says
A problem I have with the video is that the physiognomies of Mohammed and Aisha are a bit too white (the readers less deformed by PC MC will know what I mean).
Another problem is that Mohammed is depicted in too manly a fashion; I suspect Muhammad had more of an effeminate je ne sais quoi. Think the Artist formerly known as Prince.
cheekturner says
Agree entirely. Mudhutmad had an inclination to the same sex (crossmuslimblogspot) and was known to cross dress, and further was impotent and suffered premature ejaculation and is cited as having stated he preferred virgins (note no gender specifics) as they expected less.
Wow what a guy!!!
Semeru says
It has been noted that mohammed suffered Temporal Lobe Epilepsy and Acromegaly
Thanks to another mental illness, temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet of Islam had vivid hallucinations which he interpreted as mystical and divine intimations. When he claimed he heard voices, saw angels and other ghostly entities, he was not lying. He could not distinguish reality from fantasy.
Muhammad also suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder, causing his fixation on numbers, rituals and stringent rules. OCD explains why he lived such an austere life and why his religion is filled with so many absurd rules.
In late life Muhammad was affected by acromegaly, a disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone, resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue. Acromegaly occurs after the age of 40 and usually kills the patient in his early 60s. It causes impotence, while TLE increases libido.
http://alisina.org/understanding-muhammad/
The only thing wrong with the above quote from Ali Sini is TLE (temporal lobe epilepsy) increases the libido, where in fact significantly greater number of temporal lobe epileptics were found to be hyposexual. They had a global loss of performance and interest in the sexual sphere and showed no concern over it.
Now to voegelinian,s comment
A few of Acromegaly (gigantism) symptoms are Generalized expansion of the skull, pronounced brow protrusion and pronounced lower jaw protrusion, enlargement of the tongue and teeth gapping. Also soft tissue swelling visibly resulting in enlargement of the hands, feet, nose, lips and ears
‘Ali Ibn Abi Taalib, may Allaah be pleased with him, said: “The Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, was neither excessively tall nor extremely short. He had thick hands and thick fingers and toes.” [At-Tirmithi]
Anas Ibn Maalik, may Allaah be pleased with him, said: “The Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, had a large head.” [Al-Bukhaari]
No wonder mohammed and moslem objected to image of him
In men, Acromegaly can lead to a low testosterone level, causing decreased sexual drive and impotence.
voegelinian says
Despite Ali Sina’s interesting speculations about the psychology of the Prophet, we don’t have the report of the MRI (Mohammedan Resonance Imaging); and besides, plenty of nutcases abound who don’t have “acromegaly”.
gravenimage says
Kudos to Imran Firasat for continuing to speak out against the horror of Islam—even though this is endangering his sanctuary status in dhimmified Europe.
Semeru says
Bullshit
Firasat was not extradited to indonesia the face charges for the murder of chinese chritian Victor Rizki Wibowo, because European regulations state.
If the offence for which extradition is requested is punishable by death under the law of the requesting Party, and if in respect of such offence the death-penalty is not provided for by the law of the requested Party or is not normally carried out, extradition may be refused unless the requesting Party gives such assurance as the requested Party considers sufficient that the death-penalty will not be carried out.
In the image below of Firasat is also two women, on the left is Triana, Firasat,s mistress who was sentenced to 9 years for her part in the murder, to the right is Firasat,s wife, who was sentence to 18 months.
http://news.liputan6.com/read/301928/pelaku-mutilasi-akhirnya-terkuak
You are giving kudos to a pos who dragged his children to Indonesian, because of his and his wife’s fraudulent activity in Spain.
When they arrived in Spain first (moslem) Firasat where penniless, yet after only a few years they where able to open several kebab restaurants in Indonesia, where did these money come from I was report that the Firasats sold three restaurants without their partners knowledge just before they fled
Firasat was smart enough to have have his wife a legal owner of the business, and this is why he has been able to stay free from charge relating to the the iIegal sale of the restaurants. Because his wife is the legal representative of the restaurants, she is the one who will face charges, that is why she never came back to Spain.
No Firasat left his wife to face the music, and god knows what his children had to face.
gravenimage says
Semeru wrote:
Bullshit
Firasat was not extradited to indonesia the face charges for the murder of chinese chritian Victor Rizki Wibowo, because European regulations state…
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I didn’t say Firasat was in danger of being extradited to Indonesia; I said he was in danger of losing his sanctuary status in Spain, which he is:
“Spain to deport Pakistani ex-Muslim refugee for criticizing Islam”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/spain-to-deport-pakistani-ex-muslim-refugee-for-criticizing-islam
And while I’m not an expert on the case, from what I’ve read the murder charge sounds entirely trumped up.
Has Firasat has some hinky business dealings? That sounds plausible—but it is also beside the point here. Firasat is not in danger of losing his sanctuary status for that, but just for speaking out on Islam.
As for the issue you raise on the other thread that Firasat is not necessarily an expert on all aspects of early Islamic history, I hardly see that as a vital point.
While it is certainly preferable that a critic of Islam’s scholarship be impeccable, it is not necessary.
Certainly, not every critic of Christianity, or Judaism, or any other faith gets all the details right. But *they* aren’t in danger of deportation as a result.
The point is that it should be legal to criticize Islam.
And his bringing the issue of the “Prophet’s” marriage to little Aisha when she was just nine, and it’s influence on the Muslim world ever since *is* an important issue.
I notice Semeru does not address that at all…
Semeru says
Graven
And while I’m not an expert on the case, from what I’ve read the murder charge sounds entirely trumped up.
Yes I agree that most that you read sounds that the charges are trumped up, the reason for this what you have read is from counter jihad had sites, and in most cases are from Firasat himself.
Firasat is an old hand at appealing for support, so it is possible to check what he is now actually is true.
Why I do not believe a word that comes out of his mouth is because the first time I read about him was the claim that his partner was an Indonesian buddhist, and her family was murdered by moslims during the 1998 anti Chinese riots.
I was living in Indonesia at the time of the riots, also I was hanging out with a couple of Indo/Chinese at the time. The Indo/Chinese are a very tight community, and most of them are christians or buddhist and do not mix with or marry moslems.
So when Fiarast claims his partner is a buddhist, it is very hard to swallow. Especially when her family where murdered by moslems.
They also claimed that her first husband was murdered by moslems, this seems strange, because she would not be that old, and Indo/Chinese women do not marry young.
His claim that he met her in a mall in Karachi is also rather hard to swallow, no buddhist in going to flee to pakistan.
Their claim that they faced persecution in Pakistan and Indonesia because of their moslem/buddhist relationship, is BS, because if they returned to Indonesia with a wedding certificate, their marriage would be accepted. It is not unknown that Indonesians who want a mixed marriage can just hop over the water to Singapore, get married and register their marriage, without any problem.
Firasat kicked up a big stink about how dangerous it was for them to return to Pakistan/Indonesia, but not long after being granted asylum, he fled to Indonesia. He claims he fled because he was being threatened for anti-islamic activity, but there a news reports that he lefts after cheating quite a few people who helped him. Why didn’t he go to the police for protection, the easy answer to that is he couldn’t, because of the Firasats fraudulent activity.
Firasat claims many things, but after digging up old news reports it is easy to see that Firasat is telling lies
One of the most notable, is his claim that he was granted asylum because he faced the death penalty for speaking out against, when in fact he was granted asylum on humanitarian grounds, and that being him being a moslem and his wife a buddhist.
Every one in the counter jihad movement are desperate for heroes, that they take what Firasat says at face value.
Some that many people overlook, the police in Indonesia do not investigate or arrest people for blasphemy until a complaint has been lodged by hardliners, or when the hardliners storm somebody.
Firasat,s claim that he was arrested for blasphemy is very dodgy, as blasphemy is one crime that is reported. He was arrested in Tangerang, which is a FPI stronghold and the police have very strong relationship with FPI, so it is impossible for the hardliners not to know he was arrested. When somebody here in Indo is busted for blasphemy then the hardliners are onto it, and there is no way to buy yourself out.
He left Indonesia on the 7 july, nine days before he mistress was arrested of murder. His wife was arrested short for forging his passport.
It is interesting, in Europe she is known as Jenny Setiawan, but in Indo she is known as Linna Serachman. Now her is where it gets interesting, Se is a prefix for one or first, rachman is derived from the arabic name Rahman based on the triconsonantal root R-Ḥ-M.
Rahman is a very common moslem name in Indonesia. A buddhist will not have a moslem name here in Indo. Even during the time when Suharto banned the Chinese, they chose Indonesian name, not muslim name.
So can any one explain why she had a muslim name in Indonesia
Fact he started several kebab restaurants in Spain, cheated his partners and fled to Indonesia where he started several kebab restaurants, he tried to extort money from people who where helping him, but things went wrong and a christian ended up mrdered. Firasat then returned to Spain and is using the anti-jihad card to provoke the moslem to go on a rampage, also to create a situation where it would be impossible to extradite him.
People should start reading what was reported prior to him fleeing to Indonesia. You like most every body else are going by what Firasat says.
Now a simple question, why would the media report about Firasat and his partners hinky business dealings when he fled, yet nothing about him being threatened? It is not like Firasat to say quite, he was he would have squealed like a pig to the media and police.
He is wanted in Indonesia to faces charges for murder, not blasphemy
Semeu says
POSAngemon I wrote
“The day I stop using the term moslem and mohammedan, start using the politically correct tern muslim or start capitalizing words such as allah, then you can start thinking I am a muslim”
Please pay attention, when I stop using the term moslem and mohammedan.
Now look at my comments this thread, and it is very clear I have not stopped using the term moslem.
Any way what difference does it make whether I am a mohammedan or not.
It doesn’t change the fact that Firasat is wanted for murder in Indonesia, and his Buddhist wife has a muslim name, and his children are going to be brought up as moslims and moslemahs.
It doesn’t alter the fact that christian general participated in the invasion of East Timor
It doesn’t alter the fact that priests in Britian and the USA are buggering little boys
Angemon says
ASSemeru wrote:
““The day I stop using the term moslem and mohammedan, start using the politically correct tern muslim or start capitalizing words such as allah, then you can start thinking I am a muslim”
Please pay attention, when I stop using the term moslem and mohammedan.”
Oh, unlike you I’m paying attention. You set three different conditions: “stop using the term moslem and mohammedan, start using the politically correct tern muslim or start capitalizing words such as allah“. Notice that ASSemeru finishes is set of conditions with “or”, thus setting the case that any of them is an indicator that we can start thinking he is a muslim as opposed to using “and”, in which case all of them would have to take place.
Now, notice the second condition: he must start using the term “muslim”, which is completely unrelated to the first one (stop using the terms moslem and mohammedan) and the third (start capitalizing words such as allah) because, like i said, he used “or” as opposed to “and”. Since I gave evidence that he used the term “muslim” in the past in addition to using it here, we can prove that he started using the term “muslim”, thus fulfilling one of the three cases where he said one could start thinking he’s a muslim. Like i pointed out on my previous posts, he capitalized the word “Muslim”, which could be used to make a case for the third condition, since he doesn’t specify which words other than allah needed to be capitalized, but that would be overkill.
“Any way what difference does it make whether I am a mohammedan or not.”
That’s what we should be asking you since you’re the one who several times in the past refused to answer the question “are you a muslim?”. Not only that, you’re the one going out of your way to assure gravenimage that you’re not so yeah, it makes a difference.
So ASSemeru, are you a muslim? Are you a moslem? Are you a mosleem? Are you a mahommedan? Do you condemn mahomet for marrying a 9-year-old girl? Do you condemn mahomet for having sex with a 9-year-old girl? Do you condemn islam as a whole for giving divine sanction to such a repulsive practice?
Now, ASSemeru posted another reply to me:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/movie-trailer-aisha-and-muhammad-the-dramatic-life-of-a-little-child-married-to-the-prophet-of-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1081774
Is it just me or the speech, both in pattern and grammar, and demeanor in that response is different enough as if it was written by a completely different person? Anyway, in there he states the same drivel about “stopped using the term moslem”, which i just debunked, and offers a different explanation:
“BTW I use two browsers, Safari when I need to use english and the spell is adjusted to detect muslim and corrects it to moslem.
Firefox is set to spell check Swedish, and there is no adjust on the spelling of moslems
So it can happen that when I use Firefox muslim does slip through.”
That makes no sense on several levels.
If he uses Safari when he needs to use English and Safari is set to auto-correct the currently used term “muslim” with the more archaic term “moslem” (just roll with it for now) and Firefox is for Swedish only then there’s no way the word “muslim” should ever show up in any of his posts in English. But we have several of his posts in English with the word “muslim” in it. Now, Firefox allows for spellcheckers in many languages so if he commonly uses Firefox to post in English why wouldn’t he set it up with the same replacement clause as in Safari?
Secondly, here’s what he wrote:
“The day I stop using the term moslem and mohammedan, start using the politically correct tern muslim or start capitalizing words such as allah, then you can start thinking I am a muslim”
Shouldn’t that last word be “moslem” or “mohammedan” if he really commonly uses them instead of “muslim”?
Also, if he has the spellchecker set to replace “muslim” with “moslem” then we shouldn’t see him using the term “mohammedan” ever, only “muslim” or “moslem”.
And that brings us to my final point to why the browser explanation is BS. Notice what he says: he says he has a spellchecker set to replace “muslim” with “moslem”. He made using the term “moslem” or “mohammedan” instead of “muslim” an important point. If he really makes a point in using the terms “moslem” or “mohammedan” instead of “muslim” would he require a spellchecker to do that for him? Because what happens is that he types “muslim” an the checker replaces it with “moslem”. Notice what he says: “So it can happen that when I use Firefox muslim does slip through“. No, if we believe his words about the browsers and spellchecker then the only logical conclusion is that he commonly uses the term “muslim” instead of “moslem” or “mohammedan”. So, since he already started using the term “muslim” instead of “moslem” or “mohammedan” then we can start thinking he’s a muslim.
“BTW dickhead on the previous thread you asked me where did I emigrate from. Well i you really have been paying attention then you should have noticed that I mentioned where I grew up.”
No, you didn’t. In any case, i didn’t ask where you grew up, did i? Pay attention, dumbass.
Semeru says
POSAngemos
Whatever
I have not stopped using the word moslem.
I do not used moslem as taquiya,which you will most probably accuse me of. It is a very good way of sticking a finger up to mahometans.
If you care to look through my posts, you will find that in the majority of them you will find I use moslem.
The irony is that you and most of the commentators here use the term muslim there-fore conforming to moslems demands. Journalists switched to muslim from moslem in recent years under pressure from Islamic groups.
I have been using the term moslem since 2006, while searching muslim/moslem, I opened wikipedia and found this little gem
Until the late 1980s, the term Moslem was commonly used. Muslims do not recommend this spelling because it is often pronounced “mawzlem” /mɒzlɛm/ which sounds somewhat similar to an Arabic word for “oppressed” (Za’lem in Arabic)
With further searching I found another gem
According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies,”Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word.” But the seemingly arbitrary choice of spellings is a sensitive subject for many followers of Islam. Whereas for most English speakers, the two words are synonymous in meaning, the Arabic roots of the two words are very different. A Muslim in Arabic means”one who gives himself to God,” and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means”one who is evil and unjust” when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, Mozlem with a z.
http://hnn.us/article/524
Another irony is most people do not know what moslem means, and this goes for you, and you, Mr Spencer and most counter jihadis are complying to islamic demands every time you use the term muslim.
Angemon says
ASSemeru posted:
“Whatever
I have not stopped using the word moslem.”
What we have here is a clear example of a strawman. I never said he stopped using the word “moslem”. If anything, it’s he who makes the case for not using it.
As i told before, ASSemeru gave us three cases that would makes us think he’s a muslim:
Those cases are:
“I stop using the term moslem and mohammedan, start using the politically correct tern muslim or start capitalizing words such as allah”
Now, i proved he uses the “politically correct tern [sic]” “muslim”, so i proved he fulfills one of the three possible conditions he set up for us to start thinking he’s a muslim:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/movie-trailer-aisha-and-muhammad-the-dramatic-life-of-a-little-child-married-to-the-prophet-of-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1081755
More: he only uses the term “moslem” because, according to him, one of them is set up to automatically replace “muslim” with “moslem”:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/movie-trailer-aisha-and-muhammad-the-dramatic-life-of-a-little-child-married-to-the-prophet-of-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1081774
“BTW I use two browsers, Safari when I need to use english and the spell is adjusted to detect muslim and corrects it to moslem.
Firefox is set to spell check Swedish, and there is no adjust on the spelling of moslems
So it can happen that when I use Firefox muslim does slip through.”
He proved that he normally uses the term “muslim” instead of “moslem” and yet, he’s here trying to convince us that he writes “moslem” as if it is something he actually does often and with a specific purpose.
“It is a very good way of sticking a finger up to mahometans.”
No, if you want to flip the bird to your coreligionists start using the term “mahomedans”. You guys hate it when we say you follow muhammad rather than allah, even though it’s the truth.
Another thing: just how many muslims do you think you stick your finger into in this website? Because not only they’re not exactly the target audience of this website, there is also much more here that they’ll feel offended (namely, the truth about islam and jihad) before they start taking offense at using “moslem” instead of “muslim”. Also, did you ever had anyone on this site telling you that you should use the term “muslim” instead of “moslem”?
“If you care to look through my posts, you will find that in the majority of them you will find I use moslem.”
Notice the contradictions: first, he implied he never used the term “muslim”, then he said he set up one of his browsers to auto-replace “muslim”with “moslem” and now he’s telling “oh, but i used moslem in most of my posts so everything it’s ok”. Think about it, dumbass. You’re admitting you used the term “muslim” after implying you never used it. The second of your conditions still holds true, like i proved, so it doesn’t matter that you use the term “moslem” more often – even though we don’t know exactly how many of those times you actually spelled out “muslim”.
“Another irony is most people do not know what moslem means, and this goes for you, and you, Mr Spencer and most counter jihadis are complying to islamic demands every time you use the term muslim.”
Nice strawman, dumbass. Whether writing “muslim” is complying to islamic demands or not it doesn’t change anything: you said that we could start thinking you’re a muslim when you start using the term “muslim” and I proved you already use the term “muslim”, caps and all.
Semeru says
PPJ/POSangemon
So the spelling nazi, who goes into almost epileptic fits when i make a spelling mistake, now overlooks that I could have misspelled my nick.
Oh dear
You know what would make it even better? Cross checking all IPs connected to “Semeu”/”Semeru” with all other JW accounts to see if that’s the only shared account.
You are not very internet savvy, have you ever heard of HSPA 3G modems and Dynamic IP addresses.
Any way I could not care a flying fook whether you pair of dickheads think I a moslem or not.
BTW jihateski, you are an obnoxious and hateful little prick, and it would not surprise me if you poop your pants if you should happen to ever come face to face with any-one you challenged to fight on this forum
Angemon says
ASSemeru posted:
“So the spelling nazi, who goes into almost epileptic fits when i make a spelling mistake, now overlooks that I could have misspelled my nick.”
The recurrent inability to tell the difference terms like “than” and “then” or “were” and “where” can’t be blamed on a spelling mistake… In any case, there’s the “misspelled nick” excuse sounds really fishy since JW has an account system. Any particular reason for you not to have an account, even you’ve been commenting here for how long now?
“You are not very internet savvy, have you ever heard of HSPA 3G modems and Dynamic IP addresses.”
Nice gloat/admission of guilt, dumbass. There’s no reason to talk about dynamic IPs if you’re neither using the same machine/ISP to access different accounts/nicks or if you don’t have two or more people posting with your nick (since, going by your words, you apparently need to write your nick every time you want to post here, although you’ve been posting here for how long now?). It should be obvious that that i’m not the one responsible for checking account accesses on JW so my alleged lack of internet savyyness has nothing to do with it.
In any case, your talk about 3G modems and dynamic IPs is as lacking as your logic abilities – if you have two or more people using the same internet access point, 3G modem or not, while they have different IPs on their local network, their IP on JW would be the same, even if they are accessing different accounts. That means, in terms that you can understand, that if you have two different people on different computers using the same access point, 3G modem or not, to access two different accounts on JW at the same time they will show up as having the same IP. Actually, they’d have more than their IP in common. Any given website can tell, among other things, your ISP, hostname, country, state, hub city, and type of connection, and JW is no exception. So if one account was accessed from different, let’s say, ISPs, states or countries in a short frame of time, or constantly over time, good luck with your “dynamic IP” defense.
Also, you might want to do a little test: fire up your alleged 3G modem, check your IP address and turn off your alleged 3G modem. Repeat, let’s say, 5 times and tell us how many different IPs you got. The IP given to you by your ISP depends on what IPs are available on your ISP so, if your IP wasn’t attributed to someone else since you last turned your alleged 3G modem off, they it’s quite likely you’ll be given the same IP over and over, especially if you’re restarting your alleged 3G modem just to post with another account.
With that in mind, let’s imagine a JW user that uses two different browsers – for example, Safari and Firefox – to access different accounts in JW and tries to cover his ass by restarting his 3G modem every time he goes to post with the other account. What do you think the IP access log in JW would look like for both of his accounts?
Semeru says
Boooo!
I can post under any name I want, it is a matter of changing the name in the profile
Ask Champ, haven’t you notice she sometimes has crosses or hearts after her name Champ ✞
It is possible to comment without sign into an out, and if auto fill is turned off then spelling mistakes are not corrected
dumbledoresarmy says
Recently, a long article was published in “The Australian”.
Called – confrontingly, and accurately – “It’s the young flesh they want”.
It described forced and/ or child “marriage”, wife-beating and honour murder among “immigrants” in Australia.
The author, one Anne Barraclough, carefully avoided singling out Islam – and quoted an imam who was lying through his teeth, as usual – but it was pretty obvious, reading between the lines, that most of it – and the worst of it – was being perpetrated by the Muslims.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/it-is-the-young-flesh-they-want/story-e6frg8h6-1226949239039
Islamoinformed Aussies here present: send this article, suitably annotated and highlighted, to your elected reps and to relevant Govt ministers (e.g. minister for immigration), and ask some *very* pointed questions.
Dr Mark Durie makes some good points about it, here:
http://markdurie.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/the-koran-and-child-marriage.html
SATURDAY, JUNE 14, 2014
The Koran and Child Marriage
Semeru says
More bullish from Firasat
Viewers are requested to take note that Lars Hedegaard and Ingrid Carlqvist did not wish to be part of this movie at the last moment for safety reasons, but I could not remove their names and appearance from it because of time constraints. Therefore, they should not be held responsible for this movie in any way whatsoever.
Firasat claims he could not remove them from the trailer, well anybody who has edited films that are to be published on youtube knows that it doe not take so long to clip the parts that are not wanted.
Another question arises a to the real reasons Lars Hedegaard and Ingrid Carlqvist withdrew their support. They make no mention of this on their sight Dispatch International
Rezali Mehil says
Kudos to you Semeru,
Imran Firasat it seems to me is still a secret muslim. He convinced those two who are close to death through old age anyway to say a a few daft words….and then they wanted out. …but did he let them go ….would he let them go …NO.
Imran wants to cause a big explosion…wants to make himself a household name almost as big as Muhammad SWT.
He cares not for those two …or you lot …he is there for the short haul a name…and money…he is a shark and an entrepreneur…and you wallies fall for anything that gives you a temporary “win” on a subject that was a natural thing that was done in the 7th century by both muslims and christians.
Christian however carried on into the 20th centuary…Why… didn’t the Irish vicars bugger little boys in the 70s,80s 90s to help them reach the correct pitch in their practice of hymn singing? …It was on the BBC quite regularly then …they were very young too …but that pratt Gravel won’t draw pictures of a vicar up into the boy…”sing higher, sing louder”!!…”you hear me” ….
The things is that muslims are being desensitized daily by your excesses …soon your videos, films etc will have little effect… you need to move onto something new.
More Later….
Rezali
cheekturner says
Did you read my reply to our posts Thrush? ya know the one about old mudhutmad handing on Islime to the safe hands of the “SHITE (sic)”
Like I said shite it was and shite it remains much like the garbage emanating from your vile mouth and presenting here as posts.
Frontal lobotomy recommended.
cheekturner says
The above for the attention of Rezali garbagemouth a.k.a. Thrush.
gravenimage says
The repulsive Rezali Mehil wrote:
Kudos to you Semeru,
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As noted, I would hope that Semeru, who exhibits at least occasional brief flashes of decency, would be ashamed to be complimented by someone as evil as Rezali Mehil. We’ll see…
More:
Imran Firasat it seems to me is still a secret muslim…
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Pious Muslims can *never* bring themselves to believe that anyone would actually leave their foul creed…
More:
He convinced those two who are close to death through old age anyway to say a a few daft words….and then they wanted out. …but did he let them go ….would he let them go …NO.
……………………………..
Does Rezali Mehil have any problems with devout Muslims who would harm these people? Of course not—instead, she considers them expendable because they are “near death”—*Ugh*.
More:
Imran wants to cause a big explosion…wants to make himself a household name almost as big as Muhammad SWT.
He cares not for those two …or you lot …he is there for the short haul a name…and money…he is a shark and an entrepreneur…
……………………………..
The usual claim—and one often made against Anti-Jihadists in general, including Robert Spencer: that they don’t *really* have any problem with the horrific savagery of Islam—instead, they only want to make a quick buck.
There are, of course, several logical failings of such a stance—firstly, there are easier and *safer* ways to make money than to publicly oppose Islam.
The second point should be even more obvious—if *no one* actually had any problems with Islam, there’d be no “market” for this in the first place.
The fact is that Anti-Jihadists are brave and principled—and are willing to put up with ridicule and threats to get the world out about the Jihad threat.
More:
and you wallies fall for anything that gives you a temporary “win” on a subject that was a natural thing that was done in the 7th century by both muslims and christians.
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Even in the Dark Ages, it was not the norm for grown men to marry six year old children, and rape them at nine.
And would that this were relegated to the Dark Ages—instead, pious Muslims are condoning child rape *today*, and all in the name of the “Prophet”.
More:
Christian however carried on into the 20th centuary…Why… didn’t the Irish vicars bugger little boys in the 70s,80s 90s to help them reach the correct pitch in their practice of hymn singing? …It was on the BBC quite regularly then …they were very young too …
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As Philp Jihadski points out, this is utter rot. And unlike in the Muslim world, pedophilia is *illegal* here in the civilized West. The idea that the *BBC* was airing specials about child sodomy is utterly bizarre.
More:
but that pratt Gravel won’t draw pictures of a vicar up into the boy…”sing higher, sing louder”!!…”you hear me” ….
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Presumably “Gravel” is a reference to myself. I condemn the abuse of children wherever it occurs—and in the free West, so does *virtually everyone else*. Pedophilia is a *crime* here—pedophiles are arrested, and convicted, and even have to follow strictures to protect children after their release.
But for Muslims, this is not a crime—instead, harming children is a *model of conduct*. *Ugh*.
More:
The things is that muslims are being desensitized daily by your excesses …soon your videos, films etc will have little effect… you need to move onto something new.
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The morally stunted Rezali Mehil appears to believe that the criticism of Islamic child rape is aimed at twitting Muslims—*but it is not*. Instead, it is aimed and *educating Infidels*.
That’s what Rezali Mehil and those like her *really* fear—an educated and indignant Infidel population, who aren’t going to stand for Muslim savagery.
Rezali Mehil says
Graven says…
The idea that the *BBC* was airing specials about child sodomy is utterly bizarre.
Graven is so much up her own a$$ now …she believes her own commentary… people please do not believe her BS…she is having you on …still here is the truth of my claims …
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-20393842
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-25943086
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2893045.stm
http://www.sceala.com/phpBB2/irish-forums-25756.html
More Later ….
Rezali
gravenimage says
Rezali Mehil wrote:
…still here is the truth of my claims …
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Good God, what crap. I never said the BBC wasn’t reporting *on crime*—I said that her grotesque assertion that the BBC was running specials on Irish vicars buggering little boys to enhance their choir singing was bizarre.
In fact, the fact that the BBC—and many other news outlets—have widely covered cases of pedophilia *proves my point* that child abuse is *criminalized and condemned in the West*.
Here in the civilized world, we *abhor* criminals who prey on children—especially those in positions of power like teachers and priests—rather than lauding them as the “perfect man” and model for emulation. *Ugh*.
cat says
There’s a straitjacket with your name on it 🙂 and a padded cell.
cat says
There is a straitjacket with your name on it and a padded cell
gravenimage says
Semeru wrote:
More bullish (sic) from Firasat
Viewers are requested to take note that Lars Hedegaard and Ingrid Carlqvist did not wish to be part of this movie at the last moment for safety reasons, but I could not remove their names and appearance from it because of time constraints. Therefore, they should not be held responsible for this movie in any way whatsoever.
Firasat claims he could not remove them from the trailer, well anybody who has edited films that are to be published on youtube knows that it doe not take so long to clip the parts that are not wanted…
…………………………………….
What is Semeru’s point here? That Firasat is a technically inept film editor? That for some reason he chose not to remove his colleagues names?
Notice that Semeru has *no* condemnation for the threat of Muslim savagery that caused them to fear putting their names on such a project to begin with.
We saw *just* the same thing with the “Innocence of Muslims” film trailer—criticism of Nakoula for putting actors in harm’s way, yet seldom any condemnation of those Muslims issuing the threats.
More:
Another question arises a to the real reasons Lars Hedegaard and Ingrid Carlqvist withdrew their support. They make no mention of this on their sight Dispatch International
…………………………………….
If they just decided they didn’t like the project, why would Firasat draw attention to their names at all? That would just be an embarrassment if they were to pan his work.
But it really doesn’t matter—Semeru just wants to fling random sh*t at the wall, and hope *some of it* sticks.
Please note that he *still* hasn’t condemned child marriage—and I very much doubt that he ever will.
Also interesting: Semeru used to deny on a regular basis that he was Muslim—I haven’t heard a peep about it in well over a year. I wonder if he’s finally gone ahead and “reverted”?
And note that he is now being complimented by the sickening Rezali Mehil—a pious Muslim who has *no* trouble lauding child marriage outright.
Is this *really* the company he wants to keep here?
Semeru says
Graven
As noted, I would hope that Semeru, who exhibits at least occasional brief flashes of decency, would be ashamed to be complimented by someone as evil as Rezali Mehil. We’ll see…
I learnt a long time ago, way back before you started to comment here, to let anything that Rezali Mehil says run off my back just like water off a ducks back, her whole point is to send you up.
The are a few things she writes that Naseen wrote, and hubby was one of her favorite words she used for her husband who was killed in an earthquake, Naseem claimed she travelled a lot between England and Pakistan, also her son studied in England.
Yes Rezali/Naseem does have a very dark humour
To her credit she does sum up Firasat perfectly. And there is reason to believe that he could be a secret moslim, considering his wife has an Indonesian name, and he behaved like a moslim in Indo, there is the body of a dead christian to prove it
http://www.liputan6.com/tag/victor-rizky-wibowo?sort=terlama
I do not quite understand Rezali, if she thinks that Firasat is a muslim, why is she giving me kudos, maybe it is because he is a sunni.
You have mentioned before about me not condemning, and I have responded that anybody messing with children should be castrated regardless if they are moslem or non moslem
Just because I do not deny I a not a moeslem every ten minutes or when it suit you, or dickheads like jihadski or angemon, doesn’t me I am a moslem.
The day I stop using the term moslem and mohammedan, start using the politically correct tern muslim or start capitalizing words such as allah, then you can start thinking I am a muslim
As for Lars Hedegaard and Ingrid Carlqvist we only have Firasats side of the story.
I will speculate that they did not see the trailer until after it was finished, and they pulled out when the realized the purpose of the film is not to educate, but to provoke a violent reaction.
Or they where scammed much the same way Firasat tried to scam Bare Naked Islam, And many others In Spain and Indonesia
http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/03/firasat-wanted-cash-from-barenakedislam.htmlt
Another interest thing is he is campaigning against islam, we do not see him campaigning to get his wife and three children out of Indonesia, for every word and video he makes closes the doors for his wife and children.
Rezali was 100% correct about Firasat,
He cares not for those two …or you lot …he is there for the short haul a name…and money…he is a shark and an entrepreneur
Like a true moslem he used his wife and children, and dumped then in Indo to face the shit.
Firasat should be sent back to Indonesian, and the counter jihad should see you the real victims are, the real victims are his wife and children, the murdered Victor Wibowo his family and all the people who helped in Spain who helped him only for him to cheat
Angemon says
ASSemeru posted:
“The day I stop using the term moslem and mohammedan, start using the politically correct tern muslim or start capitalizing words such as allah, then you can start thinking I am a muslim”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/sharia-france-muslims-assault-man-for-eating-ham-sandwich/comment-page-1#comment-1080012
“So Answer this, If I was pro-islam, why would I take the effort to find out if this article was correct, and then post my findings confirming that it was muslims involved?”
“I have pointed a the role that christian generals played, the most prominent being Leonardus Benjamin Moerdani actively persecuted religious Muslims ” [note: notice the capitalization]
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/sharia-france-muslims-assault-man-for-eating-ham-sandwich/comment-page-1#comment-1080149
“Well well, Moerdani was not the only non muslim general”
“Representing the Catholics only 3% of the population of that country with 87% of Muslims” [note: more capitalization]
“to whom the continuity and reinforcement of the small catholic minority in the biggest Muslim nation of the World” [note: once again, capitalization]
Talk about being hoist by his own petard…
Semeu says
Angemon
Please read again
The day I stop using the term moslem and mohammedan, start using the politically correct tern muslim or start capitalizing words such as allah, then you can start thinking I am a muslim
Notice I write when I stop using the term moslem, as you can see very clearly I have in my comments in this thread I am still using the term moslem
Notice I also write when I use muslim you can start thinking I am moslem. This does not mean that I am moslem.
BTW I use two browsers, Safari when I need to use english and the spell is adjusted to detect muslim and corrects it to moslem.
Firefox is set to spell check Swedish, and there is no adjust on the spelling of moslems
So it can happen that when I use Firefox muslim does slip through.
Also I have to use three different languages daily English, Swedish and Indonesian, and when using Indonsian I have to bounce between different dialects, Bahasia, Madurese and Javanese
BTW dickhead on the previous thread you asked me where did I emigrate from. Well i you really have been paying attention then you should have noticed that I mentioned where I grew up.
Semeru says
POSangemon/PPjihateski
I blame ramadan. He shouldn’t try to pull a stunt like that on an empty stomach
My post Semeu/Semeru is dated June 28, 2014 at 7:01 am
Saturday, June 28, 2014 will be the last day of the Hijri month of Sha’ban of 1435 H, and therefore, Sunday, June 29, 2014 will be the first day of Ramadan.
As for Semeu misspelling, well I have explained I use two browsers, one of them (firefox) I have not adjusted the auto fill. Also when I have a slow connection, it is much faster to log in.
Angemon says
ASSemeru posted:
“My post Semeu/Semeru is dated June 28, 2014 at 7:01 am
Saturday, June 28, 2014 will be the last day of the Hijri month of Sha’ban of 1435 H, and therefore, Sunday, June 29, 2014 will be the first day of Ramadan.”
The timestamps in the posts are from the server time, not your local timezone, dumbass.
“As for Semeu misspelling, well I have explained I use two browsers, one of them (firefox) I have not adjusted the auto fill. Also when I have a slow connection, it is much faster to log in.”
Here’s what he said before regarding the two browsers he used:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/movie-trailer-aisha-and-muhammad-the-dramatic-life-of-a-little-child-married-to-the-prophet-of-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1081774
“BTW I use two browsers, Safari when I need to use english and the spell is adjusted to detect muslim and corrects it to moslem.
Firefox is set to spell check Swedish, and there is no adjust on the spelling of moslems”
He claims to use one browser for english and another for swedish and is now blaming the one used for swedish for the errors on english posts written in english.
Notice that he claims the issue with his name is due to an auto-fill error that, for some reason, never happened before, even though he hinted that he used Firefox to post in english before. Now notice what he says in his next post:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/movie-trailer-aisha-and-muhammad-the-dramatic-life-of-a-little-child-married-to-the-prophet-of-islam#comment-1082469
ASSemeru posted:
“I can post under any name I want, it is a matter of changing the name in the profile”
Do you see the contradiction? If, like he claims, he has an account because it makes it faster to log in then auto-fill is not the issue – one only is required to fill in a username when posting without an account. So he claims it was an auto-fill issue then claims he can change his name however he wants on his profile. Also notice that while the “change name under profile” explanation is the only plausible explanation he gave so far, he never actually said it was what caused the different usernames, he just said he could change his name in his profile. Not only that, look at the timestamps. Here’s when PJ noticed the different usernames:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/movie-trailer-aisha-and-muhammad-the-dramatic-life-of-a-little-child-married-to-the-prophet-of-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1082090
Philip Jihadski
June 28, 2014 at 10:58 pm
Here’s when ASSemeru offered a possible plausible explanation, without saying that it was actually what happened:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/movie-trailer-aisha-and-muhammad-the-dramatic-life-of-a-little-child-married-to-the-prophet-of-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1082469
ASSemeru
June 30, 2014 at 2:32 am
That’s almost two days later. Now, why take so long? He can’t say he wasn’t around at the time, since he posted in between to further insult PJ. Notice that the posts offering mutual-exclusive explanations are not only a few hours apart but they also show considerable differences in demeanor and grammar, consistent with two different people posting.
Now, i explained why the auto-fill and account profile explanations are mutually exclusive. But that’s not all, ASSemeru went further away and added a third explanation:
“It is possible to comment without sign into an out, and if auto fill is turned off then spelling mistakes are not corrected”
So, the same auto-fill which was supposedly not adjusted and was responsible for the error in name is now turned off, meaning that he had to fill in his username by hand and just happened to commit the same spelling error twice. Notice that, once again, he never actually says that that was what happen, he just says that it’s possible to comment “without sign into an out“. I guess he meant to post “without sign into an account”, but, once again, that contradicts what he said about changing his username in the profile.
Not only that, he told us before that when he has a slow connection it’s much faster to log in. Let’s overlook for now that it’s faster to post with an account regardless of whether your connection is slow or broadband since all you have to do is log in and from there on you just need to type your comment and press the “post comment” button rather than also having to enter the name and email every time. So if he’s on a slow connection where it’s much faster to log in why bring up those lame-ass excuses of posting without signing in and a mis-adjusted auto-fill that was in fact turned off? No, seems like ASSemeru is flapping all around, desperate to find alternate explanations, and shooting himself on the foot while doing so. You guys need to find one explanation and stick with it, what you’re doing so far (each coming with a different explanation) is counterproductive.
Semeru says
The timestamps in the posts are from the server time, not your local timezone, dumbs.
Yes I know, any way
“My post Semeu/Semeru is dated June 28, 2014 at 7:01 am which would be about 7:00 pm local time in Java. Which leaves about 5 hours before ramadan starts on Sunday, June 29, 2014, 10 hour before moslems start fasting, and as sun-set in Java. it is about 20 hours before moslems start feeling hunger pangs.
Any rate this thread is about a cheesy film made by a suspected murderer
Angemon says
ASSemeru posted:
“Any rate this thread is about a cheesy film made by a suspected murderer”
Eh. The little turd is cornered. Not only he failed to pass his own “here’s why i’m not a muslim” test, he also can’t explain why he posted messages with two different usernames so now he’s trying to draw attention away from it while attacking both the film and the film maker.
What’s the matter? Can’t stand the depiction of what your self-proclaimed prophet did? Too bad that, unlike him, you can’t make up revelations to justify the crap you’ve been pulling.
Semeru says
POSangemon
Seems like you are the one who is backed into a corner, flustered and and having to resort to bad language, is it because you where way off mark about the start of ramadan.
Eh. The little turd is cornered. Not only he failed to pass his own “here’s why i’m not a muslim” test, he also can’t explain why he posted messages with two different usernames so now he’s trying to draw attention away from it while attacking both the film and the film maker.
Actually I was criticizing Firasat before you came along using what I said about East Timor as a distraction.
And as far as Firasat is concerned, he has taken taquiya to a completely new level and pulled the wool over the eyes of most most in the counter jihad movement so as to assist him to save his miserable arse from facing trial in Indonesia for the murder of a christian.
Any rate you are completely free to think what you want about, if you think I am a moslem that is up to you, no skin of my nose,or any where else on my body.
Angemon says
ASSemeru posted:
“Seems like you are the one who is backed into a corner, flustered and and having to resort to bad language, is it because you where way off mark about the start of ramadan.”
LOL! The best ASSemeru can do is a “NO U”! LMFAO!!!
Face it kid. You failed to pass your own “here’s why i’m not a muslim” test. You can’t explain why you’re posting under two different screen names with different demeanors. You’re done.
Oh, and as for the use of “bad language”, you might want to start checking what you post before trying to project into someone else:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/movie-trailer-aisha-and-muhammad-the-dramatic-life-of-a-little-child-married-to-the-prophet-of-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1081740
“ dickheads like jihadski or angemon”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/movie-trailer-aisha-and-muhammad-the-dramatic-life-of-a-little-child-married-to-the-prophet-of-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1082142
“Any way I could not care a flying fook whether you pair of dickheads think I a moslem or not.
BTW jihateski, you are an obnoxious and hateful little prick, and it would not surprise me if you poop your pants if you should happen to ever come face to face with any-one you challenged to fight on this forum”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/movie-trailer-aisha-and-muhammad-the-dramatic-life-of-a-little-child-married-to-the-prophet-of-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1081774
“BTW dickhead on the previous thread you asked me where did I emigrate from.”
As you can see from ASSemeru’s posts, there’s plenty of “dickheads” in his mouth – in a matter of speaking 😉
Angemon says
Assemeru posted:
“ is it because you where way off mark about the start of ramadan.”
“Where”? LOL!!!
Hey, illiterate dumbass, how about you show where i gave a “way off mark” start date for the ramadan? You can’t, can you? Like i i said, you’re cornered. You failed to pass his own “here’s why i’m not a muslim” test. You can’t provide a definitive explanation to why you’re posting with two different usernames, and now you’re claiming i’m flustered about something i never said to draw attention away from you. What a joke ASSemeru is 😉
Either prove I gave a “way off mark” start date for the ramadan or else that’s another apology you owe me.
gravenimage says
Semeru wrote:
I learnt a long time ago, way back before you started to comment here, to let anything that Rezali Mehil says run off my back just like water off a ducks back, her whole point is to send you up.
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Actually, Rezali Mehil’s whole point here is the advancement of Islam, and she will use any tactic she deems useful to that end, including Da’wa, Taqiyya, preaching despair (i.e., “resistance is futile”), and—as you note—what she considers ridicule of Anti-Jihadists.
Incidentally, I much predate Rezal Mehil here—unless it turns out she is Naseem. I started posting here in 2006.
More:
The are a few things she writes that Naseen wrote, and hubby was one of her faorite words she used for her husband who was killed in an earthquake, Naseem claimed she travelled a lot between England and Pakistan, also her son studied in England.
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Certainly, there are similarities—both are from Pakistan and seem to have decamped at some point for Britain. But while both were nasty Da’wa artists, Rezali seems more aggressive than Naseem ever was.
More importantly, Naseem was Ahmadi, and Rezali is Shi’ite. I don’t believe that either of them would lie about their faith, even if they would about everything else.
Ultimately, I believe they are more examples of a type a type than the same person—though ultimately it matters little.
One more thing they have in common, of course, is that even though a world-wide victory of Islam would almost certainly endanger them as minorities, they *still* seek it, because Islam trumps everything for them.
More:
To her credit she does sum up Firasat perfectly. And there is reason to believe that he could be a secret moslim, considering his wife has an Indonesian name, and he behaved like a moslim in Indo, there is the body of a dead christian to prove it
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I don’t really care that much if his wife was Buddhist to begin with or not.
And the idea that a “secret Muslim” would continue to criticize Islam, even to the point where his dhimmified host country is considering deporting him simply strains credulity.
Appeasing Spain is not the comments section of JIhad Watch—it’s not as though he is getting brownie points for continuing to point out the danger of Islam.
As for the murder, as I noted, this doesn’t sound very plausible from what I’ve heard. And no Western nation would send him back to Indonesia on blasphemy charges—but they might well on a trumped-up murder charge.
More:
I do not quite understand Rezali, if she thinks that Firasat is a muslim, why is she giving me kudos, maybe it is because he is a sunni.
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That might be it—certainly, she hates Sunnis. More likely, though, she is just seeking to discredit him—and it doesn’t really much matter to her whether she is rationally consistent about this or not.
More:
You have mentioned before about me not condemning, and I have responded that anybody messing with children should be castrated regardless if they are moslem or non moslem
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If this is the case, you might well ask yourself if serving as an apologist for pedophilic Islam is really the best way to realize your values.
John C. Barile says
The makers of this film assert that they have a compelling case they wish to present in a medium fitted to an extremely sensitive topic. Under the laws of the United States and its Constitutional protections, they are free to do so. Even B. H. Obama and his Cabinet are forced to concede this point–yet they would violate or supersede these if they could. If they do, it would be as odious a violation as those depicted [Ughhh!] in this animated film.
voegelinian says
I sent another message to Imran Firasat on his website, asking him why the Dutch Islamic Council is supporting his film. Until I hear or read a plausible explanation for this astonishingly strange fact, I cannot but conclude something fishy is up, from one quarter or another.
http://www.mundosinislam.com/contact/
Semeru says
Have you received a reply
I have reason to believe that Firasat claims it is the Danish Islamic Council.
Bear me out please.
This new film is not much different to his last film, which ALI Sini has pointed out was a provocation for moslems to run amok.
He is hoping for negative reaction from moslems. If you remember back to the Danish motoons, it was Ahmed Akkari and Ahmad Abu Laban the who lead the delegation that toured the Middle East to ask for diplomatic support. Along with Akhmed Akkari, he authored the Akkari-Laban Dossier/false cartoons which was used on that tour.
This could also be why Lars Hedegaard and Ingrid Carlqvist do not want to be associated with the film
Arabian Guy says
Dear All,
I am a muslim guy and I just stepped in this blog by fault, 1st Muhamad married Fatima when she had 13 years old and this doesn’t need any explanation , you just need to read more objectively , and even get back to your history you will find the same age ranges that were married.
2nd , I hope that my words are being read by people that have at least 10% of culture that allows them to think twice before judging other religions that believes in Moses and Jesus also!! I hope that you can stop watching movies and brainwash materials and start digging into researches and books about more realistic information, I will not tell you to seek truth as you will accuse me by madness and fellowship , only give a chance for yourself and start an objective search not made by another guy that you don’t even know him , and see the information specially in books and even see translated Koran or Ahadiss , why not ?? you spend a lot of time watching movies and writing comments!! if I took one name of anyone of you guys and turned it out to a movie that he was raping cats and dogs would you believe directly ?! I can imagine whatever I want but still the truth can be discovered in other ways.
Be objectives guys , don’t be racist !!! And no we will not kill anybody because he hates Islam or Muhamad (PBUH) , your minds and your stereotypes only are the ones that will kill you!!
Peace.
Angemon says
Dear Arabian Guy,
We’re talking about Aisha here, not Fatima. Try to stay on point from now on, ok? As for non-muslims marrying around the age of 13, that’s irrelevant to the point at hand. You’re engaging in the kind of behaviour that i’d expect from a dimwitted moron, not from someone who talks about “reading objectively”. You see, nowadays in Western, non-muslim countries, anyone who marries a 9-year-old girl deserves to spend time in jail, as opposed to muslim countries, where marriage with a 9-year-old girl is an accepted practice precisely because muhammad did so, and that’s why we’re discussing it here.
2nd, you seem not to know that there are plenty of people here who don’t believe in Moses or Jesus. Atheists, agnostics, maybe even hindus or buddhists. Now, in behalf of those who do believe in Jesus i’d like yo ask you 3 simple questions.
1 – Do you believe that Jesus is the son of God?
2 – Do you believe that Jesus died on the cross?
3 – Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead?
If you answered no to any of those questions then you don’t believe in the same Jesus that Christians believe in and therefore they are free to judge islam without the shackles and stigma of the “but wait, we believe in Jesus too, you wouldn’t want to criticize Jesus, would you?” fallacy that you’re trying to stifle criticism of islam with.
Finally, criticizing an ideology is not the same as being racist. As for your claim that you won’t kill us for “hating” islam, who killed Theo van Gogh in 2004 and why?
Peace Out.
Mo says
@ Arabian Guy
“1st Muhamad married Fatima when she had 13 years old
Show me were anyone is talking about Fatima? Answer me.
Oh, and “marrying” a 13-year-old is okay? Thank you for agreeing your prophet is a child rapist.
“2nd , I hope that my words are being read by people that have at least 10% of culture that allows them to think twice before judging other religions that believes in Moses and Jesus also!!
Your words are being read by people who have read your Koran and about the life of the warlord child rapist Mohammad. We know what your death cult teaches.
We will not submit.
“Be objectives guys , don’t be racist !!!”
Tell me, what race is Islam? Answer me. Do not ignore me.
” And no we will not kill anybody because he hates Islam or Muhamad (PBUH) ,”
Telling the truth is hatred, eh?
What a liar you are. The proof of that is evident every single day, all over the world as your coreligionists oppress, rape and murder.
We know what your blood cult teaches. We know what its followers do.
We will not submit.
A normal guy says
Dear Arabian Guy,
I am neither christian nor muslim.
I fully support your statement!!!! History is repeating and the Islam is going through a process, christian did a long time ago.
Nevertheless, times changed and possible the time will come, that Islam need to be interpreted in another, possible modern way.
Let’s live in peace together and let’s ignore some ideots trying to destroy all values we have, we want to support.
Cheers
Mo says
@ a normal guy
“History is repeating and the Islam is going through a process, christian did a long time ago.”
Christianity didn’t have to go through any process, since Christianity teaches nothing of the same violent, hate-filled things that Islam does.
Care to address any of my points which Arabian Guy (predictably) chose to ignore?
nazir says
Youtube has taken it down but Vimeo still has it. Please download to your local hard disk before it is too late:
It is here as well:
http://www.islam-watch.org/video.html
Mo says
@ TruthPrevails
Where’s the answer to my questions? Here, let me refresh your memory:
What character (of the “prophet”) is that? Oh, that of a murderer, warlord and child rapist? You admire that, do you?
Show me what in this trailer was false regarding Islam? In fact, show me anything posted on JW that is “BS”? Not the comments, the site.
SHOW IT TO ME.
Do not ignore me. Answer me. I cannot stand it when I ask people things and they run off like the cowards they are. Answer me. You’re making all these accusations. Back them up.
Oh, you have no answers and no evidence? That’s what I thought.
Be gone. Take your death cult with you.
We will NOT submit to your warlord child rapist prophet. Got it?
Dajjal says
The video has been uploaded to Prochan, and embed code is available. here is the link: http://www.prochan.com/view?p=9ce_1405031329
Interest seems to have faded, but my review at Islam Exposed is still getting a few hits.
HOGSTER says
Vimeo have taken it down too. it’s becoming very hard to find a copy, seems all movie sites are frigging muslim sympathisers…. here is part 1 of ‘Aisha and Muhammad’ I’ll be searching the net for part 2
http://www.islam-watch.org/mvideo/ingles.mp4