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Sharia France: Muslims assault man for eating ham sandwich

Jun 21, 2014 7:52 pm By Robert Spencer

ham-sandwichThe principle is very simple: in Muslim countries, one must conform one’s behavior to Islamic sensibilities. And in non-Muslim countries, one must conform one’s behavior to Islamic sensibilities. “Vive Le Vibrancy! In France Muslims Will Assault You For Eating A Ham Sandwich,” Blazing Cat Fur, June 19, 2014:

NB – Google Translate – The case seems absurd, but it is being treated with the utmost seriousness by the police from Reims (Marne). A 23 year old man filed a complaint on June 8, after being attacked, around 21:30 on a tram in the city by two strangers.

They hit the victim repeatedly in the face because he was eating a ham sandwich. The two attackers, who claimed to be Muslims, said they were offended by the consumption of pork in their presence and so attacked the young man. One witness, a friend of the victim present at the time, was interviewed by investigators and confirmed the facts of the assault. The two attackers, who fled, have so far not been found. Videotape cameras from the tram are being examined.

h/t FDS

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Comments

  1. Guy Macher says

    Jun 21, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Let’s make every Friday “Eat Pork in Public Day”!

  2. Louise from Canada says

    Jun 21, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    It’s really going to far. It’s absurd, absurd. Something should be done, but what???

  3. Angemon says

    Jun 21, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    Good thing it was not Ramadan, otherwise the guy who was attacked could very well be arrested. Eating a ham sandwich in front of fasting muslims? That’s got to be some sort of racially aggravated offense in PC islam-kowtowing France.

    • Semeru says

      Jun 23, 2014 at 12:05 am

      Angemom whines

      PC islam-kowtowing France

      How can you say that France is kowtowing

      The original report stated that The case seems unlikely (not absurd as Spencer reports), but it is being treated with the utmost seriousness by the police

      Spencer doesn’t acknowledge that this happened a year ago, nor does he update that the attacker where tracked down and sentenced.

      What Jihad watcher should be doing is praising the police for bringing the culprits to justice.

      • Angemon says

        Jun 23, 2014 at 5:11 am

        Hey ASSmeru, you still owe me an apology. You falsely and willingly claimed i was a hypocrite and was giving away a pay-only document for free:

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/we-r-going-to-over-power-u-soon-in-shallah/comment-page-1#comment-1062642

        ASSemeru posted:

        “By the way. [sic] you are a damned hypocrite, you chide me for linking to Browleys [sic], yet you do the same thing by linking to the BMA article, which is both copyrighted and behind a pay wall”

        Which i proved to be false:

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/we-r-going-to-over-power-u-soon-in-shallah/comment-page-1#comment-1063062

        Angemon posted
        “That’s a bald faced LIE. Semeru is lying once again. Firstly, I linked to an article that can only be found online (and for free, as i shall prove) while semeru PROVIDED a copy of a book that can still be found on stores. He might as well be stealing money from Crowley and the publishers.

        Secondly, semeru never says where is the supposed “pay wall”, he just says it exists and we’re supposed to believe him, even though he was caught lying on several occasions. In fact, he’s being a hypocrite because although he asks me for sources/citations and citrons he doesn’t provide a source for his claim. Fact is, the article was made available to consult for free by the copyright holder, and I’ll prove it beyond any reasonable doubt. In fact, I’ll provide a step-by-step guide so that even semeru can understand it! And i expect an apology from him when i’m done.

        The link I provided was this:

        http://mhs.eu.pn/mh/19551.html

        Notice the URL reads “mhs”. Also notice there’s no ‘s’ after the “http”. It’s “http”, not “https”, which is what one would expect to find in a website that required some sort of authentication.

        Now check the article to see who holds the copyright:

        “Copyright © The Malta Historical Society, 2005.

        Source: Melita Historica. : Journal of the Malta Historical Society. 1(1955)4(193-2-6)”

        Malta Historical Society – MHS. Interesting! There’s no reason to believe that the article is being provided for anyone else that the copyright holder or that’s behind some sort of access authentication. Anyway, this is the new MHS website:

        http://www.maltahistory.eu/

        You go there, click on “Publications” and you get the following page:

        http://www.maltahistory.eu/publications.htm

        There, you click on “Melita Historica” and a new browser window/tab opens with the URL

        http://mhs.eu.pn/mh/mindex.html

        Does that url sound familiar? http://mhs.eu.pn/mh

        Now, choose to sort by year and yet another window/tab opens:

        http://mhs.eu.pn/mh/myear.html

        Click on 1955 and you’re taken to an anchor in the page:

        http://mhs.eu.pn/mh/myear.html#y55

        Click on the very first article in 1955, the one that reads “Cassar, Paul Psychological and medical aspects of the siege of 1565, pp. 193-206″. A new window/tab opens:

        http://mhs.eu.pn/mh/19551.html

        Notice that is the exact same link i provided and that semeru claimed to be behind a pay wall. Now, did you had to go some sort of access restriction? Neither did I. Once again, i’ll point out that semeru never gave any source/reference to his claim of a “pay wall”, thus proving himself to be a hypocrite. But in the unlikelihood of someone actually charging money to access that document, the copyright holder made it available free of charge, so whoever payed any amount to access it was, in fact, a sucker. Semeru, you didn’t pay to access it, did you? Now, you OWE me an apology. You said i was infringing copyright by linking to an article behind a pay wall. Since that’s not the case, I expect you to act like a mature adult and apologize for making such an abhorrent false claim.

        Now, it may seem like that was a pointless exercise in futility -it’s not like it was the first time semeru lied on something easily checkable- but it goes to show two things: one, semeru once again shows he can’t be trusted. He made a false claim for the sake of trying to make me look as bad as him but his hot air was blown away by the cool winds of truth, just like when he told us that Crowley’s work was based on Bradford and Francisco Balbi (Crowley has 4 pages worth of bibliography) and that Crowley used that article as source (which he didn’t, since it’s not mentioned on his bibliography). Two, it *proves* i didn’t find that article by googling it, like semeru suggested. I *knew* exactly where to find it and there’s no “pay wall” blocking the access to it. It’s available for free to those who want to read it.”

        ASSemeru’s reply was this:

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/we-r-going-to-over-power-u-soon-in-shallah/comment-page-1#comment-1063605

        ASSemeru posted
        “I mixed it up with another Article

        The medical aspects of the 1565 Great Siege of Malta

        http://jramc.bmj.com/content/160/1/79

        What-ever!”

        It’s not “what-ever”[sic] and you didn’t “mixed up with another article”. Well, ASSmeru, i proved you wrong and i proved you’re a liar. Now, where’s my god damn apology?

      • Angemon says

        Jun 23, 2014 at 5:16 am

        Oh, and as for your comment about France kowtowing to islam, you’re an idiot for trying to make it seem i’m making my comment based on this case alone and even a bigger idiot if you actually believe it. Dumbass.

  4. weavo2 says

    Jun 21, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    Just more proof that Muslims are savages!!!

    One can’t just make this crap up:)

  5. Jay Boo says

    Jun 21, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    Muslims consider eating ham a form of cannibalism.
    After all, Muhammad was ….

    • Champ says

      Jun 22, 2014 at 2:15 am

      …a pig, lol!!!

      Good one, Jay Boo!

    • bicky says

      Jun 22, 2014 at 4:42 am

      ” A Pig “

    • Mirren10 says

      Jun 23, 2014 at 10:48 am

      That’s insulting towards pigs, which are intelligent and rather charming animals …

      I can’t think of any animal which is as vile and horrible as mohammed ….

  6. MikeR says

    Jun 21, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    France is one of those CIVILIZED countries with strict gun laws. Too bad. This story should be about two dead towelheads.

  7. DhimmiNot says

    Jun 21, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    Louise:
    You are already on first base as you “get it”.
    Next step is to tell your friends and neighbours, most of whom are misinformed.

    If you wish to initiate a small-group in you church or where-ever, there are 2 DVD series that I suggest:
    a) Truth Unlocked at http://www.truthunlocked.org
    b) Battle for the Hearts at http://www.twrcan.ca or twr.com

  8. Champ says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 2:17 am

    Sharia France: Muslims assault man for eating ham sandwich

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I think mohammedans are cowards for allowing themselves to be *slaves* to such evil: islam

  9. bernie says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 5:48 am

    When was the last time a French Jew assaulted someone for eating a ham sandwich in a public place in France? The Jews there may not agree with it, but they’re not going to attack someone for it, I don’t think.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 22, 2014 at 10:22 pm

      Bernie wrote:

      When was the last time a French Jew assaulted someone for eating a ham sandwich in a public place in France?
      …………………………

      Or a vegetarian or a Seventh-Day Adventist? Or someone fasting for Lent or Yom Kippur? Of course, it would never happen.

      This is, as you imply, Muslim supremacism and nothing else.

      • bernie says

        Jun 22, 2014 at 10:34 pm

        I don’t even think that a French Hindu (there are small minorities of Hindus and Sikhs there) would assault someone for eating a hamburger or cheeseburger in a public place, unless the beef-eater deliberately waved the food in front of their face and said, “Cheeseburgah, cheeseburgah, cheeseburgah!” SNL-style.

  10. bernie says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 5:52 am

    also, how did the Muslims know that it was pork ham and not turkey ham? The two look very similar. Plus, if he had been drinking grape juice, would they have assmed that it was wine, and assaulted him for that?

  11. Jaladhi says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 7:13 am

    Extending the Muslim logic to them – “we are offended by their presence among us, so we do the natural Muslim thing to them”… they will get the idea..

  12. Semeru says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 8:06 am

    Once again we witness Mr Spencer not verifying the article he puts up, this is the second time in as many months he has mirrored an article from Blazing Cat Fur

    Firstly this article appeared 12.06.2013

    Secondly on the original site it was reported that,

    L’affaire paraît improbable, which with google translate, translates to “The case seems unlikely”, not as BCF and Mr Spencer reports “The case seems absurd”

    Both BCF and Mr Spencer jump to the conclusion that moslems where involved.

    And like sheeple the commentators above follow suit, and blame moslems without any evidene, but only assumptions

    In this case, if they had read the source correctly they would have read this

    Addendum du 19/06/14 : Pour avoir agressé un passager et son ami dans le tramway de Reims, en juin 2013, trois hommes ont écopé de six mois de prison ferme. L’union,

    Addendum 6/19/14: For assaulting a passenger and his friend in the Reims tramway, in June 2013, three men were sentenced to six months in prison. The union,

    With further googling, this can be found

    Six mois de prison pour une agression dans le tramway de Reims

    Here it is reported that it was three attackers

    Florian Piddiu, Dahim Belfatmi and Youcef Benabed where sentenced to six months, and Benabed remained at the bar to meet another issue, namely extortion for which he earned four additional months of imprisonment.

    http://www.lunion.presse.fr/region/six-mois-de-prison-pour-une-agression-dans-le-tramway-de-reims-ia3b24n365174

    • Uri says

      Jun 22, 2014 at 9:01 am

      Try it semeru, u muhammadan monkey. You’ll eat my sausage you savage pig.

      • Semeru says

        Jun 22, 2014 at 10:42 am

        ללכת לאכול צלע חזיר

        • Uri says

          Jun 22, 2014 at 10:47 am

          כוס אמך

        • bernie says

          Jun 22, 2014 at 6:14 pm

          please translate the Hebrew(?)

        • Semeru says

          Jun 22, 2014 at 8:54 pm

          Yes Bernie, I invited Uri to go and eat pork in response to his obnoxious remark.

          As to his reply, I can not help as his remark translates as googlygook.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 22, 2014 at 11:14 pm

      Semeru wrote:

      Both BCF and Mr Spencer jump to the conclusion that moslems where involved.

      And like sheeple the commentators above follow suit, and blame moslems without any evidene, but only assumptions
      …………………………..

      What crap. The victim *reported that the attackers identified as themselves as Muslim*, and indicated that that their being offended *as Muslims* was the reason for the attack.

      Now, it is not impossible that the victim was lying or somehow mistaken—but given the fact that the attackers have been sentenced to six in jail over the incident, this seems unlikely.

      And certainly, their names sound Muslim—probably from Africa.

      • Semeru says

        Jun 23, 2014 at 1:14 am

        In réponse to gravent

        The original article that Spencer put up was more than a year old, and started with The case is unlikely not absurd as wrongly translated by Blazing Cat Fur.

        So when an article starts with “The case is unlikely” the this warrants a closer look, which neither Spencer or BCf or any body here bothered to do.

        Every body went with the flow here, no one here attempted to take the “unlikely” out of the article, except for me, It was not Spencer or BCF that confirmed that the it was really moslems who where the culprits.

        Spencer and BCF only put up half the story. It was me that proved with out reasonable doubt that moslems where the culprits, it was also me that even put up the names.

  13. Denise says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 8:47 am

    What is criminal is that western governments continue to allow these muslims into our countries and make excuses for their eccentricities and violent tendencies.

  14. Transmaster says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 8:58 am

    Ham sandwiches today for sure 🙂

  15. GFWSR says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 10:09 am

    My answer is to shoot the muslim SOB hassling you, and feed his corpse to the hogs! Hopefully others would get the message.

  16. Zombee says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Is there any doubt that Islam is a cult of hate and death? There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, its is a misnomer. There is never any condemnation for their savagery and persecution. When Islam has been wiped from the face of the earth, then there will be peace.

  17. epistemology says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    It’s preposterous. Being Jewish I don’t eat pork either, but I don’t mind people eating pork in my presence. I only don’t want them to do it in my house.

    A couple of years ago the French internet site Riposte Laique planned an event with citizens in Paris. It was called “Grand Apérol” They wanted to grill pork sausages and hand out some ordinary French table wine. The muzzies labelled that racist. I can’t see any racism in eating and drinking. I can’t tell how much these paranoid gobshites make me puke.

    Dear American friends, I hope you realize how dire the situation in Europe is. We’re in deep poo and need your help.

    • bernie says

      Jun 22, 2014 at 6:10 pm

      I heard that there have been at least several cases in Europe (such as in Germany and France) in which people have been berated, intimidated or even assaulted by some Muslims, just for speaking Hebrew in public?

      Of course, just because a person speaks Hebrew, doesn’t automatically make them Jewish, or even Israeli.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 22, 2014 at 11:23 pm

      This American stands with you and all Infidel Europeans, Epistemology.

      Good to see you posting again.

  18. ConanKong says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    I would love to see an article where the aggressors attack someone who turns out to be a Savate expert. A few hard shoe kicks to the gut will convince them to keep their jihad internal.

    • Uri says

      Jun 22, 2014 at 1:36 pm

      Krav Maga

  19. akafir says

    Jun 22, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29)

  20. BC says

    Jun 23, 2014 at 6:51 am

    Islam claims to be such a great religion , in fact it claims to be the most superior
    and perfect religion, but it adherents are so delicate even the sight and smell of pork products can harm them. It seems to be like sunlight to a vampire. On the other hand it could be that the followers of the most tolerant faith are just extremely unpleasant and intolerant people.

  21. Semeru says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 12:24 am

    Yeah, my point is made and proved: whenever East Timor comes up you blame christians, Americans, Australians, Canadians, Japanese but refuse to condemn the atrocities committed by the Indonesians.

    Your point is not proven

    I have never blamed christians, I have pointed out that they where involved,by the way, the handful of christian generals just happened to be Indonesian.

    I have never blamed Americans, Australians, Canadians, Japanese, but I have pointed out that they supported Indonesia.

    Once again, notice the dishonesty and selective quoting from ASSemeru. If you read the whole article, you’ll see that religion was not a decisive factor.

    I have never claimed that religion was a decisive factor, the article is consistent with what I have been saying all the time. Religion was not a decisive factor, whether it be catholicism or islam. Yes, I clipped that article, so as to reinforce the fact that the Indonesian invasion was not a Jihad

    There is nothing dishonest about using part of an article to make a point. Spencer and many anti-jihadis are doing it all the time, and as can be seen in main article the even alter the translation.

    One other thing, if the invasion was a jihad, then why did the indonesian government build a new Catholic cathedral in Dili, which was blessed by Pope John Paul in 1989. At the mass the pope preyed for reconciliation

    Also he said “For 450 years, Portugal did nothing for these people. Under Indonesia, they are much better off materially. Education, public health, public services are all vastly better. Still, the Indonesians are not winning the hearts and minds.”

    Interestingly the pope kissed the ground on arrival in Jakarta, he always kissed the ground upon arriving in a country for the first time, yet did not kiss the ground on arrival at Dili.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 5:35 am

      ASSemeru posted:

      “Your point is not proven”

      It is. I stated you’d blame christians and western countries for what happened in East Timor while refusing to condemn Indomesia. That was exactly what you did. Point made and proved kid 😉

      “I have never blamed christians, I have pointed out that they where involved,by the way, the handful of christian generals just happened to be Indonesian.”

      HA HA! The mask finally falls (whatever little of it was left)!!! Notice how ASSEmeru explicitly blames christians only. According to him, “the handful of christian generals just happened to be Indonesian“. Now, if he weren’t really trying to blame christians and really condemned Indonesia for what happened in East Timor shouldn’t he be saying the other way around – those indonesian generals just happened to be christians? Instead we have him admitting – again – the ones to blame for what happened in East Timor were christian, who just happened to be Indonesians. The more he posts the deeper he buries himself – and that was AFTER he saying he was done talking about East Timor. ASSemeru – the gift who keeps on giving 🙂

      “I have never blamed Americans, Australians, Canadians, Japanese, but I have pointed out that they supported Indonesia.”

      Pffft. You blamed everyone but Indonesians. Except for the christians who just happen to be indonesians.

      “I have never claimed that religion was a decisive factor, the article is consistent with what I have been saying all the time.”

      Stop lying, you only say that islam had nothing to do with it and that it was not a jihad. You just said that the blame lies in “the handful of christian generals just happened to be Indonesian“. You go out of your way to say that islam had nothing to do with it and the invasion wasn’t a jihad but you take your time to blame christians and christians alone. If, like you claim, you don’t think religion was a factor then you’d just condemn Indonesia rather than cherry picking the the only one among Suharto’s army chiefs who was non-muslim. Remember, the vast majority of soldiers sent into East Timor were muslims, but you only blame christians. Religion is a factor for you, as long as it’s not islam.

      “Religion was not a decisive factor, whether it be catholicism or islam. Yes, I clipped that article, so as to reinforce the fact that the Indonesian invasion was not a Jihad”

      You clip a lot of articles. In fact I proved you copied just half a sentence, even leaving out the closing quotation marks. And the fun part is that you copied the part that hinted that Moerdani was persecuting muslims but left out the part where it said it was done according to Suharto’s orders to make it seem that Moerdani was doing it out of his own free will. No, your dishonesty and anti-christian bias are more than obvious. In any case, there was nothing in that article saying that the invasion was not a jihad, so there was nothing you could copy from there to either prove/disprove that. Now, notice that while you claim that religion was not a factor, you clipped an article and just sticked to the part where it said the catholics approved of the invasion – no bias there, right? In any case, that part has no source or citation. I expected you, out of all people, not to post something without source or citation, you damn hypocrite!

      “There is nothing dishonest about using part of an article to make a point.”
      Like i said, you copied just half a sentence, even leaving out the closing quotation marks and you tried to make it seem that Moerdani was persecuting muslims but left out the part where it said it was done according to Suharto’s orders to make it seem that Moerdani was doing it out of his own free will. So yeah, that was dishonest, you knew exactly what you were doing and if you weren’t purposely trying to be dishonest you’d apologize for that.

      “Spencer and many anti-jihadis are doing it all the time, and as can be seen in main article the even alter the translation.”

      The thing is, whenever RS posts a comment on a news article, not only he posts the link for the original news article, when he sums up the article he keeps enough of it to stay truthful to what the article says. You, on the other hand, copied half a sentence so it seemed that a christian general was persecuting muslims out of his own free will rather than obeying orders from the muslim head of state. Not only you copied only half the sentence in order to change the narrative, you also didn’t gave the source for the sentence – you claimed you copied it from wikipedia, so where was the link? In any case, you were replying to me, so your claim that RS and many anti-jihadi do that bears no consequence. Face it kid, you tried to pull a tu quoque and failed miserably.

      “One other thing, if the invasion was a jihad, then why did the indonesian government build a new Catholic cathedral in Dili, which was blessed by Pope John Paul in 1989. At the mass the pope preyed for reconciliation

      Also he said “For 450 years, Portugal did nothing for these people. Under Indonesia, they are much better off materially. Education, public health, public services are all vastly better. Still, the Indonesians are not winning the hearts and minds.”

      Interestingly the pope kissed the ground on arrival in Jakarta, he always kissed the ground upon arriving in a country for the first time, yet did not kiss the ground on arrival at Dili.”

      Pffft. Your answer lies in your quote. You’d know that if you took the time to read:
      “the Indonesians are not winning the hearts and minds”

      By 1989, and after being forced to convert by the indonesians, the majority of the East Timorese were catholics. The cathedral was pitiful attempt to wind hearts and minds. But by then a large chunk of the East Timorese population had been killed and Catholicism was a key symbol of the resistance, so it failed. Oh, and if things were so bad in East Timor how come indonesians went there of a better life?

      ““Most of the troops sent to Timor by Indonesian authorities, however, were Muslim. So too were most of the poor Indonesian migrants who came to Timorese towns in search of a better life. The result was that indigenous Timorese came to identify Indonesians and the occupation with Islam. This perception had a galvanizing effect on Timorese society.”

      Also notice that, once again, ASSemeru uses selective quotes to give only half the story. Here’s the 1989 article ASSemeru is selectively quoting from:

      http://articles.latimes.com/1989-10-13/news/mn-163_1_east-timor

      The title is:

      Pope Urges Indonesia to Respect Rights in E. Timor : Religion: In a disputed island territory, the pontiff prays for reconciliation.”

      Now, let’s see some of the things ASSemeru leaves out:

      “According to local priests, the field was once used as an Indonesian military detention and interrogation center. Amnesty International, the London-based human rights organization, estimates that 200,000 people were killed after the Indonesian invasion, and many of them are believed to have been killed here.”

      “He blessed the new Catholic cathedral in Dili built by the Indonesian government. As he did so, an unsigned broadsheet was circulated among the reporters accompanying him. It said in Portuguese: “The Indonesians are trying to hoodwink the world about true conditions in East Timor. Armed resistance continues in the countryside with courage and conviction. Passive resistance in areas controlled by Indonesia is also strong, although the secret police suffocate dissent by trampling human rights.”

      “Turnout for the Mass was only a fraction of what had been predicted.

      “There are checkpoints every 20 kilometers,” a priest told reporters. “Soldiers ask for documents many people do not have. Other villagers have not come fearing they’ll have problems when they return home.””

      The cathedral was build on a place where East Timorese were tortured and killed by Indonesians, there were restrictions preventing East Timorese from attending the mass, the East Timorese left quite clear that they were still fighting against the invading indonesians and that the indonesians were lying about the conditions in East Timor. But, according to ASSemeru, it’s ok to selectively quote to make it seem that the indonesians build the cathedral because they cared about the East Timorese.

      But the most important part ASSemeru left out was this:

      “For the Record
      Los Angeles Times Friday October 20, 1989 Home Edition Part A Page 9 Column 2 Foreign Desk 2 inches; 40 words Type of Material: Correction
      Papal Trip–Because of a transmission error, an article Oct. 13 about Pope John Paul II’s visit to East Timor wrongly attributed remarks critical of the Portuguese colonial legacy to him. The remarks were made by a local priest. In addition, the name of Bishop Carlos Belo was misspelled.
      ”

      So he claimed that the Pope said the East Timorese were better under indonesian rule fully knowing that those remarks were made by a local priest, God knows under what pressure. And that was after he said he was done talking about East Timor and after claiming there was nothing wrong with partial quoting from a news article. What we have here is even more evidence of how unreliable this pro-islamic sack of lying crap is, and the sheer amount of his dishonesty and stupidity. He knows i check what he says and, despite that, he keeps trying to pass blatant lies and half-truths as being trustworthy facts. What a truly disgusting piece of human garbage ASSemeru is, lying to defend murders and rapists while saying nothing about the victims.

      BTW, you never answered my question. You claim to be an expatriate/immigrant trying to integrate into indonesia. Where did you immigrated from? You wouldn’t happen to be the semeru mentioned in this articles, would you?

      http://perthzoo.wa.gov.au/tuesday-1-november-2011-%E2%80%93-the-day-of-semerus-release-6096/

      http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/perths-orang-utan-swings-into-new-life/story-e6frg19l-1226186992493?nk=91c67c3b44d443be86c017ed08a99bf4

      Oh, yeah, where’s my apology? You falsely and willingly claimed i was a hypocrite and was giving away a pay-only document for free. I proved that, not only the copyright holders made it available for free, but also that you quoted from that document before so you knew perfectly the document was not pay-only. Apologize. Now.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 7:32 am

      BTW, ASSemeru, about the Pope not kissing the ground in Dili?

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4410917.stm

      “Papal symbolism

      Indonesia would not tolerate any suggestion that its rule in East Timor was not legitimate.

      It insisted Pope John Paul II hold mass in a natural arena under the mountains outside Dili where a number of atrocities were thought to have taken place.

      But the evidence of extensive human rights abuses, and the anguished protests of Bishop Belo, demanded some show of solidarity from the Pope.

      He managed the balance with characteristically judicious symbolism.

      On arriving in Dili he kissed a cross, with which he then touched the ground, rather than kissing the ground itself as was his custom, to avoid suggesting East Timor was a sovereign country.

      He spoke out strongly against all abuses, without specifying his Indonesian hosts, but making it clear enough to the tens of thousands who had come to hear him whom he had in mind.”

      Seems like the geezer was smarter than most gave him credit for. Not kissing the ground but kissing a cross and then touching the ground with it? That was fully fledged tawriya right in the face of the indonesians, who, like you, were too dumb to realize what he meant by that.

      Now tell me one thing, ASSemeru: what would have happened to the catholic minority in Indonesia if the Pope had kissed the ground in Dili, openly accused the indonesians of their human right violations and asked for independence for East Timor? And after you tell me that, you still owe me an apology. Chop chop.

  22. Semeru says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Oh dear, I made a mistake, and angemon was like a fly to a piece of shiit was pretty fast to jump on it

    I attributed a quote made by a local priest to the Pope.

    He was so fast, he does the same the same as he accuses me of, in fact he goes even further and fabricates a whopping lie.

    The cathedral was build on a place where East Timorese were tortured and killed by Indonesians

    The cathedral was built in the Vila Verdi area of Dili. The pope held the mass at the alleged killing fields of Taci Tola

    No cathedral

    Look at these images of where the pope held his mass, yep definitive proof that angemon is a blatant liar.

    The Indonesian invasion was not a holy war, the Aceh war was, also the conflicts in the Moluccas

    Normally i try to refrain from bad language and name calling, but just sometimes, ah well I have no more to say except I do not apologize to Dickheads

    • Angemon says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 10:24 am

      ASSemeru posted:

      “Oh dear, I made a mistake, and angemon was like a fly to a piece of shiit was pretty fast to jump on it”

      Notice that ASSemeru is the one comparing his post to a piece of “shiit”, not me. It’s not far from the truth, given the ammount of lies and selective half-truths it contains. In any case, there’s no way what he did was a “mistake”, since the quote he attributed to the pope was known not to actually come from the pope since 1989.

      “I attributed a quote made by a local priest to the Pope.”

      A quote that everyone knows to have been wrongly attributed since 1989. Everyone but ASSemeru, the one who has been selectively quoting and outright lying to blame christians for the invasion of indonesian, and overall being pro-indonesia in the matter of the invasion of East Timor.

      “He was so fast, he does the same the same as he accuses me of, in fact he goes even further and fabricates a whopping lie.”

      So which one is it, am i making a mistake or am i fabricating a lie? Lol, ASSemeru can’t even finishing a sentence without contradicting himself! What a joke he is 😉

      “The Indonesian invasion was not a holy war, the Aceh war was, also the conflicts in the Moluccas”

      Notice that, according to ASSemeru, who is the one making the link between the indonesian invasion of Timor and Islam as he was the one who brought that issue up, not me, an army conposed mostly of muslims from a muslim majority nation invading a non-muslim country does not qualify as a holy war, but the same army who invaded a non-muslim country fighting against muslim insurgents in an Indonesian province qualifies as a holy war. Again, his dual standards are out here for everyone to see the disgusting and twisted lengths he goes to in order to protect indonesia and islam from criticism

      “Normally i try to refrain from bad language and name calling, but just sometimes, ah well I have no more to say except I do not apologize to Dickheads”

      Firstly, you never made any attempt in the past to refrain yourself from name calling and bad language. For example, on this very topic you first addressed to me by saying “Angemom whines”. The way you addressed Philip Jihadsky and Uri was not particularly kind either, so that’s evidence you’re lying, again. And that’s on this topic alone. I bet if anyone were to check other topic you posted on they’d find more of that name calling and rudeness for other people you claim not to indulge in.

      Secondly, don’t you think i’ll let that one go. You falsely and willingly claimed i was a hypocrite and was giving away a pay-only document for free. I proved that, not only the copyright holders made it available for free, but also that you quoted from that document before so you knew perfectly the document was not pay-only. Apologize. Now.

      Thirdly, you just accused me of fabricating a lie right after you admitting i made a mistake. Either bring forth evidence to back what you say or apologize for calling me a liar, you filthy piece of human garbage. Apologize. Now.

      • Semeru says

        Jun 25, 2014 at 11:14 am

        Angemon lies
        Thirdly, you just accused me of fabricating a lie

        Your fabrication was the cathedral was built on the killing fields of Tacitulo

        Your can blatantly lie and you expect me to apologize. You got another think coming,

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 11:51 am

          ASSemeru posted:

          “Angemon lies
          Thirdly, you just accused me of fabricating a lie

          Your fabrication was the cathedral was built on the killing fields of Tacitulo”

          LOL! ASSemeru is blatantly lying about me lying. Where did i said the cathedral was build on Tacitulo? In fact, where is Tacitulo for that matter?

          “Your[sic] can blatantly lie and you expect me to apologize. You got another think[sic] coming,[sic]”

          Actually, you have yet to prove that i lied. In fact, you even acknowledged i made a mistake:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/sharia-france-muslims-assault-man-for-eating-ham-sandwich/comment-page-1#comment-1080462

          “Oh dear, I made a mistake, and angemon was like a fly to a piece of shiit was pretty fast to jump on it

          I attributed a quote made by a local priest to the Pope.

          He was so fast, he does the same the same as he accuses me of, in fact he goes even further and fabricates a whopping lie.”

          So first you say i made a mistake, then you accuse me of lying. Either give evidence to support your theory that it was not a
          mistake but a lie or apologize for calling me a liar. And let’s not forget you still owe me an apology for your false claims against me in the other topic.

          In any case, here’s what i said, you little turd:

          “The cathedral was build on a place where East Timorese were tortured and killed by Indonesians”

          No mention of Tacitulo in there. Turns out, you’re the liar, you lying piece of dog crap.

          Another thing: what reason would i have for lying? If you claim i’m lying then explain what i would have to win by lying about something easily disprovable.

          Don’t forget: you owe me two apologies by now. One for the other topic, where you claimed i provided a pay-only article for free and another for claiming i’m willingly lying here.

          Heck, let’s make things more interesting: prove that i willingly lied and not only i’ll let what you did in the other topic slide, i’ll also apologize to you.

          Notice that ASSemeru will never prove that was willingly lying instead of making a mistake (which is something even he acknowledged) not only because all he’ll do form now on is to claim i was lying and use it as a get out of jail card for everything (notice that the more he posts the more contradictions and lies pop up and that he refuses to apologize for the false claims he made on another topic because he falsely claims i’m lying here) but also because i wasn’t lying. Even if i had mistakingly said that the cathedral was build in the Tacitulo fields (go search the topic and tell me where i even mention Tacitulo), there’s nothing to support i was willingly lying about it. You see, i’d need a reason to lie, and what i said about the visit of the pope remains unchanged regardless of where the cathedral was build. I admit i messed up for a bit the location of the mass and the cathedral, so where it reads “The cathedral was build on a place where East Timorese were tortured and killed by Indonesians” should read “The mass took place on a site where East Timorese were tortured and killed by Indonesians“, but that was it, a mistake, so it’s up to ASSemeru to prove that i’m lying (although, to be fair, given how numerous and widespread the atrocities committed by the indonesians against the East Timorese were, chances are Timorese were tortured and killed in the place where the cathedral was build).

          So ASSemeru, ball’s in your field now. Prove what you said about me or you owe me two apologies now.

          BTW, why is it that, according to you, a muslim majority army from a muslim majority country invading a non-muslim country does not qualify a holy war but the same muslim majority army fighting against muslim insurgents in one of its provinces qualifies as a holy war? And are you the semeru in those links? It confirms your story about you being an expatriate in Indonesia.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 10:30 am

      Oh, yeah, i can’t stress out this enough:

      ASSemeru posted

      “Oh dear, I made a mistake[…]I attributed a quote made by a local priest to the Pope.”

      This is the only mistake he acknowledges he did. So that means that everything else, the selective quoting, the insinuations and false info, the blaming of christians, etc, WAS DONE ON PURPOSE.

      And i’m still waiting for those apologies.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 10:37 am

      BTW, you never answered my question. You claim to be an expatriate/immigrant trying to integrate into indonesia. Where did you immigrated from? You wouldn’t happen to be the semeru mentioned in this articles, would you?

      http://perthzoo.wa.gov.au/tuesday-1-november-2011-%E2%80%93-the-day-of-semerus-release-6096/

      http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/perths-orang-utan-swings-into-new-life/story-e6frg19l-1226186992493?nk=91c67c3b44d443be86c017ed08a99bf4

    • Semeru says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 10:38 am

      In my last post I quoted

      The pope held the mass at the alleged killing fields of Taci Tola

      Well before angemon pops up

      During excavations for the hotel, the remains of nine people were found, victims of the Indonesian occupation. The two who wore Portuguese military uniforms, are believed to have been freedom fighters of the Falintil. Also in 2008, approximately 100 bodies were found near Tasitolu in the Delta Comorro

      Oh BTW

      This maybe the cathedral angemon was referring to

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kirche_Tasitolu.jpg

      • Angemon says

        Jun 25, 2014 at 10:50 am

        So, ASSemeru, i asked you to provide evidence that willingly lied. Where is the evidence?

        Also, apologize. Now.

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