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Sudanese Christian just released from prison rearrested with husband at airport

Jun 24, 2014 8:54 am By Robert Spencer

Meriam Ibrahim Daniel WasiMeriam Yahya Ibrahim is accused of apostasy because her father was a Muslim, and so she is a Muslim. Her profession of Christianity makes her an apostate, and under Islamic law apostasy is punishable by death. She is an adulteress because Islamic law forbids Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men. Thus both of the charges under which he is being held are mainstream elements of Islamic law. Islamic organizations in the U.S. that profess to be “moderate” should be calling for her release and the reform of these aspects of Sharia. Instead: silence.

“Sudanese Christian woman rearrested,” by Nima Elbagir, CNN, June 24, 2014 (thanks to Answering Muslims):

(CNN) — A Sudanese woman whose death sentence for refusing to renounce her Christian faith was revoked has been rearrested, her legal team told CNN Tuesday.

Meriam Ibrahim, 27, and her husband, Daniel Wani, were arrested Tuesday at an airport in Sudan’s capital as they were trying to leave the African country, Ibrahim’s legal team said.

Details about why the couple were arrested weren’t immediately available.

Ibrahim, 27, was convicted in May by a Sudanese court on charges of apostasy, or the renunciation of faith, and adultery — charges that led to international controversy. Ibrahim was eight months pregnant when she was sentenced to suffer 100 lashes and then be hanged.

But an appeals court in Sudan this month ruled that a lower court’s judgment against her was faulty, and she was released, according to her lawyer.

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  1. AnneM says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 9:04 am

    Not surprised at all.

    Islam is very oppressive against women, period.

    • JIMJFOX says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 10:02 am

      AND every other non-believer too.

  2. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 9:19 am

    Playing nasty cat and mouse games.

    What needs to happen now is a HUUUUGE outrage from every government of every majority-nominally-Christian nation on earth.

    This woman is married to a US citizen.

    By rights, the Sudanese diplomatic rep in the US – if so be they have a diplomatic rep in the US – should be getting hauled onto the carpet, instanter, and given a flea in the ear.

    With *real* threats of *real* Consequences.

    • Mirren10 says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 12:14 pm

      ”Playing nasty cat and mouse games”

      Yes. This is absolutely **sickening** news, and I cannot even imagine how she and her husband must be feeling, right now.

      God, how I loathe, hate, and **despise** this foul religion, from the bottom of my heart.

      Why doesn’t the US intervene ? Her husband is an American **citizen**, and it looks as if he’s been arrested also.

      Well, time to write some more letters, 🙁

      • Islamisdeath says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 2:12 pm

        Because Obama hates Christians. That’s why the U S doesn’t intervene.

        • nevernine says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 6:08 pm

          That is a stupid thing to say. Try to be more substantial in your dialogue.

    • voegelinian says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 2:34 pm

      Her older child is also an American citizen.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      Cat and mouse games—just what I was thinking.

      She and her family were *at the airport*—clearly just about to slip free—and these thuggish Mohammdans wave the spectacle of freedom and them *snatch it away* at the last moment.

      Pure sadism…

      DDA wrote:

      By rights, the Sudanese diplomatic rep in the US – if so be they have a diplomatic rep in the US – should be getting hauled onto the carpet, instanter, and given a flea in the ear.
      …………………………………..

      Here’s the Sudanese Embassy in Washington, DC. They should get an earful from ordinary Infidels, as well—especially Americans:

      Embassy Of The Republic Of Sudan
      2210 Massachusetts Ave
      Washington DC,20008,
      Ph: 202.338.8565
      Fax: 202.667.2406

      You can write, phone, or fax them, or email them here:

      http://www.sudanembassy.org/index.php?option=com_breezingforms&Itemid=13

      Mirren wrote:

      Why doesn’t the US intervene ? Her husband is an American **citizen**, and it looks as if he’s been arrested also.

      Voegelinian wrote:

      Her older child is also an American citizen.
      …………………………………..

      You’re right, Mirren and Voegelinian—these are *American citizens* being abused and f*cked with. Remember that toddler Martin was *also imprisoned* along with his mother, since the Muslim powers that be wouldn’t let her Infidel husband care for the child.

      I would encourage Infidels—again, especially Americans—to write their own government and demand they intervene, as well.

      Actually, not just Americans—I would like to see this become an international embarrassment not just for Sudan, but for the US over its inaction, as well.

      And this is not just an American issue—given the general state of dhimmitude in the West, what kind of precedent will this set if American citizens can be abused by Muslim countries?

      What will happen to the next Briton, or Canadian, or Frenchman, or German, or Australian who finds themselves victimized? How much more likely will it be that these countries will abandon their citizens to Muslim savagery if the purported leader of the free world has done the same?

      • Mirren10 says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 4:14 pm

        Thanks for posting that address, and the email one as well.

        Busy writing …

      • Champ says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 4:15 pm

        Gravenimage, thank you for providing this information; and I just wrote the embassy using the link that you’ve provided above. Again–thank you!

      • nacazo says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 7:28 pm

        Thanks for the link. No excuse for anyone interested not to send at least an email. Mine:

        I respectfully require any assistance you can provide to secure the freedom of a Ms. Meriam Ibrahim which has been accused of apostasy because of an absent father that was Muslim. If this were a crime our President Barack Obama would also be guilty. In my humble opinion this travesty of justice reflects poorly on your country. As freedom of conscience is a value enshrined in the UN Declaration of Human Rights (Article 18) it would look favorably on Sudan to support such rights.

        Respectfully,

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 8:09 pm

        Glad to hear it. I’ve written, as well.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 8:18 pm

        And here’s contact information for the American Embassy in Sudan:

        U.S. Embassy Khartoum
        P.O. Box 699
        Kilo 10, Soba
        Khartoum, Sudan

        Switch Board:

        International: (249)(187)-0-(22000)

        For American citizens:

        Tel: +249-187-022871

        Work Hours: Embassy hours are Sunday through Thursday, from 8:00 to 4:30. Please note that the time zone in Sudan is G.M.T. +3.

        There doesn’t appear to be any way to email them that I can see—but letters and phone calls should do just fine.

        And for Americans, it might also be worth contacting your Senators or Congressional Representative.

  3. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 9:21 am

    The Muslims have probably trumped up some other charge.

    *Anything* at all, so as to have an excuse to hurt, terrorise, humiliate and KILL.

    B*st*rds.

  4. Angemon says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 9:24 am

    Figures. Pious muslims won’t stand idly while having Western sources telling them what to do, especially when it contradicts the quran or the ahadith.

  5. Jay Boo says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Don’t they need to hold on to her until Ramadan so they can claim ‘ the benevolence’ of Islam’s Ramadan as the reason she was released as opposed to the overwhelming stink of Islam slipping past the seals of every mosque?

    The Ramadan beast smiles in daylight with a twinkle in its eye anxious to kill
    while the local mosque chants satanic verse in its lair to flaunt prayers of sharia’s hell.

  6. John C. Barile says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 9:39 am

    PERFIDY! Islam, thy name is infamy.

  7. Jay Boo says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Christianity is about love and respecting human dignity.
    Islam is about degradation of humanity with a shackle and chain.

    SMILE and defeat Islam
    Youtube video song (some words in English)
    Bwana Akisema sung by Anastaciah Karanja (RIP)

  8. gene says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Showing their peace and love again…….

  9. John C. Barile says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 9:51 am

    This is consummate justice in Perfect Islam. And an abomination. Islam in its most noble and glorious manifestation is manifestly abominable.

    Islam is a creed embraced by war criminals and murderers.

    • JIMJFOX says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 10:10 am

      “Islam is a creed embraced by war criminals and murderers”

      A bit of a stretch. I suspect a great many muslims are terrorised by threats in this world and the next. Muhammad’s statement “Lo, I have been made victorious through terror” applies not only to his enemies but to his believers, too.

      That said it must be admitted that many millions of muslims believe that they are indeed “the best of peoples” and revel in their feelings of superiority.

      • John C. Barile says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 10:14 am

        Sudan’s leader is a war criminal. The Sudanese regime are murderers. They are devoutly Islamic. What else do I mean to say?

        • John C. Barile says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 10:17 am

          And I didn’t say “only by.”

          Hyperbolically speaking, I’m correct.

      • cheekturner says

        Jun 25, 2014 at 5:00 pm

        Only a stretch to a mind limited. And as to “a great many Muslims being terrorised etc.” has nothing to do with the founder of this monstrous blasphemy but all to to with the natural result of such mindlessness cultivated by the narcissism, hatred, supremacism and bigotry of such a doctrine. The morbid fear of being outside the ummah prevents any resemblance of moderation in Muslims. They have no balls…at all! Unlike this unfortunate woman who has more balls than the entire male Muslim population that ever was, is or to come.

    • John C. Barile says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 10:10 am

      I use too many syllables.

      Islam is evil

    • John C. Barile says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 10:10 am

      I use too many syllables.

      Islam is evil

      • john spielman says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 11:56 am

        Islam IS evil, BECAUSE Muhammed- pbuh (perpetual banishment unto Hell ) was a demon possessed mass murderer liar thief misogynist and pedophile!

        • AnneM says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 4:00 pm

          AMEN to that!

  10. Charli Main says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 10:17 am

    Relax– take it easy–any minute now—-
    tens of millions of “moderate” ” peaceful” Muslims are going to take to the streets of Europe, USA, Canada and Australia expressing their outrage at the shame that the Sudanese Muslims have brought on Islam, the religion of peace, tolerance and understanding, by their treatment of this Christian woman—-
    just be patient—won´t be long—soon you will see the crowds of angry Muslims on the streets—-just a bit longer——-sooooooooooooon—

    • John C. Barile says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 10:22 am

      You got that right.

    • MikeR says

      Jun 26, 2014 at 11:34 am

      I’m still waiting. I don’t want to miss it. Do you think I have time to make a sandwich?

  11. Patt says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 10:18 am

    These people are devils.

    • AnneM says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 3:57 pm

      Rather, these folks worship the devil.

  12. Lookmann says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 10:20 am

    There’s Honour among thieves, but not among muslims.

  13. Star says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 10:49 am

    This is a total sick religion when not all the moslims are crying out that this has nothing to do with peace at all.This is horor.

  14. mariam rove says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 11:33 am

    Details about why the couple were arrested weren’t immediately available….

    I have the details for you all. It is called Jazieh, a few hundreds of thousand and she will be on her way out…m

  15. MikeR says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 11:51 am

    The rational thing to do would be ‘convert’ to islam, leave that muslim hellhole, and never go back.

    • Mirren10 says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      ”The rational thing to do would be ‘convert’ to islam”

      She is a committed Christian, and has already refused to deny her faith.

      There is nothing ‘rational’ about denying a deeply held belief, in this case, Christianity, and *betraying* it, in order to save one’s skin.

      It would only be ‘rational’, if one held no deep beliefs at all.

      I admire this woman absolutely.

      • John C. Barile says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 12:19 pm

        Some people would rather die than live a lie. The power of faith is like that.

        • Champ ✞ says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 2:02 pm

          True, John …

          And Jesus teaches Christians the importance of staying true to their faith in Him. It’s a serious thing to deny Christ.

          Jesus said …

          “But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.” Matthew 10:33

        • MikeR says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 6:36 pm

          Yes, “the power of faith.” Faith is defined as belief not based on proof. By it’s very definition, faith is irrational. You want this unfortunate woman to be a martyr. I want her to live. What advice do you think Jesus would give her? Yes, I read the quote from Matthew 10:33. It’s too bad that Matthew didn’t have a tape recorder, because I don’t think Jesus would want Meriam to die. The Jesus I know is more compassionate than the Jesus Matthew knew.

        • Champ says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 7:48 pm

          MikeR wrote:

          I read the quote from Matthew 10:33. It’s too bad that Matthew didn’t have a tape recorder, because I don’t think Jesus would want Meriam to die. The Jesus I know is more compassionate than the Jesus Matthew knew.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          MikeR is in good company …

          Since mohammedans have made Jesus into the Jesus of their own liking, too. For shame.

        • Champ says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 8:23 pm

          MikeR is very inconsistent …

          Two days ago MikeR wrote this to me on the “Afghanistan: Convert to Christianity’s family seeks to kill him for leaving Islam” thread:

          MikeR
          June 22, 2014 at 1:55 pm
          Have you considered the possibility that maybe Josef is just f’ing nuts? He traded one absurd belief for another absurd belief. Did that improve his situation?

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/afghanistan-convert-to-christianitys-family-seeks-to-kill-him-for-leaving-islam

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Josef became a Christian …so on that other thread MikeR states the Josef is “f’ing nuts” for leaving islam and becoming a Christian. Yet on this thread he appears to personally know Jesus. Hmm.

          Well, Jesus was quoted saying this to His followers–like it, or not, MikeR …

          True Cost of Discipleship:

          “Then he said to them all: ‘Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self? Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels’.” — Luke: 23-26

        • MikeR says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 10:35 pm

          That sounds like something Jim Jones would have said to his followers in Jonestown, Guyana.

        • Champ says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 8:49 pm

          MikeR thinks that “Matthew” misunderstood Jesus …and MikeR probably thinks that “Luke” didn’t hear Jesus right, either, lol!!! MikeR wasn’t there to record the words of Jesus, but Matthew and Luke were.

          He should read the other two gospels–Mark and John, but MikeR will probably think that they heard Jesus wrong, as well 😀

        • John C. Barile says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 9:51 pm

          Faith is not blind; nor is it devoid of reason. It is a gift, God’s gift of Himself, and when you and I encounter Him–He is Truth, He is Reason, and He comes down to us and draws us to Himself–we then have our proofs.

          Many things that are essential to our human nature are not wholely rational–try to weigh and measure love, hope, trust, beauty, good, and truth. Still, I know that such things are because God IS. God is knowable, reveals Himself in innumerable ways, and is the Essence of All Good. We are rational because He is Reason. We can love because He is Love. He is Truth, He is Fidelity, He is Knowledge . . . ad infinitum.

    • John C. Barile says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 12:17 pm

      There is such a thing as conscience, Mike, and such a thing as fidelity. Meriam is legally a Muslim, through no doing of her own, but her heart is fixed on Christ. It simply isn’t possible for her to comply, because that would mean forsaking her husband and her freedom forever. After all, if she returns to an Islam she never knew, she would thus be guilty of illegal sexual relations under Shari’a. Catch-22.

    • John C. Barile says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 12:17 pm

      There is such a thing as conscience, Mike, and such a thing as fidelity. Meriam is legally a Muslim, through no doing of her own, but her heart is fixed on Christ. It simply isn’t possible for her to comply, because that would mean forsaking her husband and her freedom forever. After all, if she returns to an Islam she never knew, she would thus be guilty of illegal sexual relations under Shari’a. Catch-22.

    • Champ says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 1:57 pm

      MikeR is advocating that Meriam ‘lie’ and to teach her children to lie. Hmm, does MikeR lie when it suites him? Probably. Wow I have zero respect for such cowardice.

      I consider MikeR a first-rate coward.

      • Champ says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 2:09 pm

        oops: suits him, not “suites” him

      • Charli Main says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 3:24 pm

        Just a shot in the dark, Champ.
        Perhaps MikeR is suggesting” whats Taqiyya for the goose is Taqiyya for the gander”.

        • Champ says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 4:02 pm

          Hi, Charli Main …
          Perhaps. But Meriam is a Christian, and MikeR knows that Christians don’t practice taqiyya (or he should know this).

      • MikeR says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 6:00 pm

        Champ, you must think God is an idiot. He gave us all brains to solve our problems. I got lucky, and he made mine much larger than yours. But back to my point: If the idiot muslims are only killing her because she is a Christian, she should suddenly ‘convert’. Do you really think that God wants her to die, and her children to be left without their mother? What kind of cruel God would want her to suffer a terrible death over a religious belief? The God I pray to is much more compassionate than that.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 6:47 pm

          You must have missed the quotation from the Bible, that Champ posted:

          “But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.” Matthew 10:33

          If one is a committed Christian, that is a precept one must obey. Personally, I deeply admire someone who is prepared to defy coercion and threats, in order to stand up for what she believes in; I find it odd that you don’t.

          Is there **anything** you believe is worth dying for, or is simply prolonging your life, at whatever moral and spiritual cost, the be all and end all for you ?

          Your analogy with lying to a robber, is silly. The point has been made; for Christians to deny ** Christ** is a sin.

          ”Champ, you must think God is an idiot. He gave us all brains to solve our problems. I got lucky, and he made mine much larger than yours.”

          Is that some kind of snide insult, in that you apparently believe that the size of one’s brain denotes intelligence ? What utter nonsense. An elephant has a larger brain than yours. Does that mean the elephant is cleverer than you ?

        • MikeR says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 6:56 pm

          I knew an elephant named Kristie years ago. She would beat me at chess three out of eight times. You wouldn’t believe what she could do with a banana.

        • Champ says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 7:36 pm

          MikeR wrote:

          The God I pray to is much more compassionate than that.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          One can only wonder what “god” MikeR prays to …since the God of the Bible forbids lying, and MikeR is advocating that Meriam LIE; even though lying is a sin. He obviously prays to a god of his own making, which is a form of idolatry. So if God forbids lying and idolatry, then the god he serves is not God the Father–but satan, the father of lies (now I understand why Jay Boo called MikeR a satan worshipper a few days ago).

          And when someone chooses to become a Christian they have made a commitment to Jesus Christ and they must count the cost, even unto death …

          “Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.” — Revelation 2:10

          You don’t become a Christian so you can live a cozy life, and Jesus never promised His followers a cozy life, but instead He promised persection and problems here on earth …but He also promised His followers eternal life with God when they die!

          Only a coward suggests what MikeR is advocating.

        • MikeR says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 11:07 pm

          I wish I had seen the comment about me being a satan worshiper. That’s hilarious, since I don’t believe in satan. Well wait. I forgot about Obama. Maybe he’s satan, but I don’t worship him. I didn’t even vote for him. You take the words of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John literally, even though their gospels weren’t written until twenty-five or thirty years after the death of Christ. The words of Christ weren’t written at the time he said them. Can you remember the exact words of your minister’s sermon from twenty-five years ago? Can you remember the exact words your wife said twenty-five years ago? Do you remember who stole a record of 39 and 40 consecutive bases on June 24, 1989? Probably not. However, you think that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, who were not scholars, remembered EXACTLY what Christ said.

        • Champ says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 11:50 pm

          Well, regardless of what MikeR thinks about the validity of the gospels and the words of Jesus, MikeR still advocates that Meriam *LIE*, and God/Jesus do not condone lying. And I suppose that MikeR considers Moses an unreliable source, as well. Moses was a prophet who presented the Ten Commandments to the children of Israel at Mount Sinai, and Moses didn’t even have to write down the Ten Commandmenst, since God wrote them down on the stone tablets Himself:

          “Now the LORD said to Moses, ‘Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered’.” — Exodus 34:1

          MikeR can dismiss the gospels all he wants, but the Bible is clear: Lying is wrong. Period.

          Yeah if the Ninth Commandment doesn’t convince this clown, then nothing will …

          BTW, I’m a woman.

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 4:55 am

          Christian martyrdom is a tragic, beautiful, admirable thing: it puts all the blame on the oppressor, and all the virtue on the victim. It crystallizes in an almost unbearable focus of intensity the crux of the reason why the West has anything to live for, by being willing to die for it — that is, for those who have the historical literacy to remember that their West was a Christian civilization for centuries.

          Nevertheless, it behooves our civilization (or what’s left of it) to defend those who preserve the flame of its venerable past from Mohammedans. I.e., in a saner world, we would send in a commando mission to kill the Sudanese who stand in the way of our rescue of Meriam and her family.

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 7:26 am

          “In a saner world”. Do you mean with a more competent Commander-in-Chief?

        • cheekturner says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm

          I doubt Champ thinks God is an idiot but in truth would not be wrong in considering the same of you. So this woman should lie and convert to Islam? Why? To avoid being murdered? I don’t know what god you pray to but he/she/it obviously isn’t teaching you much! Or you are just incapable of understanding that this life isn’t all there is, and that after death we can be raised to the life we were meant to live. This take s a certain amount of faith which is a gift. Maybe one day you will accept this gift.
          This Sudanese woman is a hero to stick to her faith and not deny Jesus even under the threat of Islam

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 9:00 pm

          My neighbor’s dog left a ‘gift’ on my lawn this morning.

      • MikeR says

        Jun 25, 2014 at 8:02 am

        Would you not want your wife or daughter to lie in a similar situation? Would you not want them to lie to save their lives? If not, your moral compass needs to be calibrated. You are motivated by fear of God, not love of family. It is more important to you that you save your sorry butt from the flames of hell than save a family member from a horrific death. YOU are the coward.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 8:12 am

          You’re calling calling someone a coward with a malfunctioning moral compass for saying people should stick to what they believe in no matter what but you defend lying to get what you want? Talk about cognitive dissonance…

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59 am

          If a lie can save a life, I say tell the lie. If you don’t understand that, you probably never will. I think enough people have been killed over religious beliefs. I have no respect for any minister, rabbi, or imam who would expect a person to die for a religious belief. I have no respect for a GOD who would expect someone to die for a religious belief. That’s right, I said it, and I haven’t been struck dead.

        • Mo says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 11:07 am

          @ Mike R

          “If a lie can save a life, I say tell the lie. If you don’t understand that, you probably never will. I think enough people have been killed over religious beliefs. I have no respect for any minister, rabbi, or imam who would expect a person to die for a religious belief. I have no respect for a GOD who would expect someone to die for a religious belief. That’s right, I said it, and I haven’t been struck dead.”

          Nobody gives a care about your hatred of God. (The real God, as you’ve said nothing about Allah.) Neither are we impressed by your attempts at blasphemy.

          Now, anything to say on ISLAM? You know, that religion responsible for putting this woman and her little kids in jail?

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 11:13 am

          The one lacking understanding of the situation is you. You’re a rabid anti-christian trying to pass as anti-religion in general like that mrDude guy you’re reminding me of – good for you. Now be a good little whatever you claim yourself to be and go play in traffic while Meriam acts according her sense of right and wrong and chooses not to convert to something she doesn’t believe in. Tell me something kid: if she faked a conversion to islam how would her situation change? Since her husband is still a christian her marriage is still null and void and she’d still face the charge of illegal sex – with a christian none the less.

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 12:28 pm

          There are cultural divides in Sudan, with the Arab muslims living in the north, and black Christians or animists living in the south. Sudan is another African country that has completely fallen apart and been at war with itself since it was granted independence from Great Britain and Egypt in 1956. Since 2005, the U.S. has contributed more than $8BILLION (that’s right, with a B) in aid to Sudan. What have we received in return? Most of their citizens hate us, and the muslims are still killing the Christians. A phone call from our muslim brotherhood-loving president to Omar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir, president of Sudan, threatening to cut off aid might gain the release of Meriam Ibrahim and her family. If Ronald Reagan were still president her family would be free, and the world would not be falling apart as a result of islamisation.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 12:41 pm

          MikeR posted:

          “There are cultural divides in Sudan, with the Arab muslims living in the north, and black Christians or animists living in the south. Sudan is another African country that has completely fallen apart and been at war with itself since it was granted independence from Great Britain and Egypt in 1956. Since 2005, the U.S. has contributed more than $8BILLION (that’s right, with a B) in aid to Sudan. What have we received in return? Most of their citizens hate us, and the muslims are still killing the Christians. A phone call from our muslim brotherhood-loving president to Omar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir, president of Sudan, threatening to cut off aid might gain the release of Meriam Ibrahim and her family. If Ronald Reagan were still president her family would be free, and the world would not be falling apart as a result of islamisation”

          And that has nothing to do with your claim that she should have converted to islam nor to your overall behaviour on this post – you claim to be anti-religious but you criticize only christianity and when called on that you went on an overcompensating anti-islamic rant to pretend to be neutral, just like that mrdude, or whatever his last account was nammed. Also, you flat out lied when you said this site automatically capitalized the word koran. Go take a long walk off a short pier and don’t come back until you start acting according to your self-professed beliefs.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 11:18 am

          Mo posted:

          “Now, anything to say on ISLAM? You know, that religion responsible for putting this woman and her little kids in jail?”

          Pretty much. MikeR is talking exactly like muhammad:

          “I call you unto the fold of Islam; if you embrace Islam, you will find safety“

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 11:45 am

          Mo, you clearly haven’t learned much since your Three Stooges gig ended. I thought you died. In answer to your question or comment about my opinion of muslims, I hate them. Since you are a religious nut, you probably don’t believe in hate, or at least you probably say that you don’t believe in hate. Islam is not a religion, it’s a fourteen hundred year old crime organization disguised as a religion. The Koran is filled with hate, from the beginning to the end. I read it the first time the day after 9/11. I’ve read it two more times since, and I’ve also read the Hadith. Have you ever read either? You will notice that Koran is capitalized twice. I didn’t capitalize it, the site automatically did it. I wouldn’t even wipe my butt with the violent, evil book. I believe that one nuclear bomb over Tehran would change the behavior of musims overnight. Does that make it more clear to you about what I think of muslims and their so-called religion?

        • Mo says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 11:54 am

          @ MikeR

          “Mo, you clearly haven’t learned much since your Three Stooges gig ended. I thought you died. ”

          Idiocy and insults.

          “In answer to your question or comment about my opinion of muslims, I hate them. ”

          Then you are also inconsistent with the philosophy of the JW website, since it does not promote hatred of any individuals.

          “Since you are a religious nut, you probably don’t believe in hate, or at least you probably say that you don’t believe in hate.”

          You know nothing about me or my religion beliefs or non-beliefs. You have demonstrated yourself to be an anti-religious bigot.

          Go insult someone else.

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 1:31 pm

          Mo, hatred is a perfectly normal human emotion. Hatred of people who want to destroy our country and kill my family is justified.
          “There is a time to love, and a time to hate.” Ecclesiastes 3:8
          I’m not aware of the JW website espousing any particular philosophy. I think it seeks opinions, and seeks truth. I have read all of Robert Spencer’s books, and have a very high regard for him. I know that he has high regard and respect of our Constitution, which includes the First Amendment.

        • Mo says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 1:42 pm

          @ MikeR

          “Mo, hatred is a perfectly normal human emotion. Hatred of people who want to destroy our country and kill my family is justified.”

          The only one demonstrating any hatred here is YOU.

          You started off ranting about “religion” and Christianity. Don’t try to change things now.

          “There is a time to love, and a time to hate.” Ecclesiastes 3:8

          You have no knowledge of or interest in the Bible. I don’t know why you are bothering to quote it.

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 2:38 pm

          Mo, I liked you much more when you were with Larry and Curly. By yourself, you aren’t very funny.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 12:02 pm

          Notice that MikeR is acting like that mrdude guy, or whatever his last account was named. He claims to be anti-religion but only criticizes christianity and when he’s called on that he goes on a anti-islam overcompensating rant to try to appear neutral. I’m guessing his current account will go the way of the last one soon 😉

          You know, it’s because of people like MikeR that atheists are the most distrusted group in the US.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 12:04 pm

          Oh, and notice that MikeR claims the site capitalized the word “koran”.

          Let’s try that out and see what happens:

          With caps:

          Quran
          Koran
          Qu’ran

          Without caps:

          quran
          koran
          qu’ran

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 12:07 pm

          Oh, look, i managed to write koran in three different ways without being capitalized. There goes MikeR’s theory about the site capitalizing it automatically. What a joke of a poster he is 😉

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 4:30 pm

      MikeR wrote:

      The rational thing to do would be ‘convert’ to islam
      …………………………..

      I know you’ve said this several times, Mike. I find it troubling that you seem to have more criticism for supposedly “irrational” Christians for refusing to stand by their convictions than you do for brutal and sadistic Muslims.

      • MikeR says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 6:16 pm

        gravenimage, the brutality of muslims is obvious to all but the most naĂŻve. Yes, I do think Meriam Ibrahim is irrational. She has an opportunity to save her life, and perhaps her child’s life, by simply saying that Allah has talked to her, and she knows that she was wrong, and that muhammed is the true prophet and Allah is her God. Let me explain it to you in a way that you might understand. Let’s say you are walking down a street with your wife and child, and you are approached by a gunman who demands all of your money. You have $35. in your wallet, and $500. in your shoe. You don’t want to confront the gunman because of your family, so you give him your wallet. When he asks if that is all you have, you say yes. You don’t tell him about the $500. in your shoe. Did you commit a sin?

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 8:30 pm

          No. Incidentally, I would not have condemned this woman if she *had* “converted” with a gun at her head.

          The difference is that you choose to condemn her because she *hasn’t* given in to Muslim savagery—which is a pretty morally indefensible position.

        • John C. Barile says

          Jun 24, 2014 at 9:36 pm

          MikeR, Meriam really has no choice. If she yielded she would still stand condemned by Islamic law. And she would have surrendered her only defense, that, as a Christian woman she is free to marry a Christian man; otherwise–as marriages of Muslim women to Christian men are invalid and null in Islam–she would lose her husband, her life, and her children’s freedom.

      • Champ says

        Jun 25, 2014 at 1:09 am

        I find it troubling that you seem to have more criticism for supposedly “irrational” Christians for refusing to stand by their convictions than you do for brutal and sadistic Muslims.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Yes, I observe the same thing from MikeR, Gravenimage …

        MikeR unquestionably needs to focus on the real enemy: islam, and not on *harmless* Christians. He needs to remove the ginormous chip on his shoulder he has against Christians here, and stop ridiculing and mocking Christianity. As you know, islam is the enemy, not Christianity.

      • Mo says

        Jun 25, 2014 at 11:57 am

        @ Gravenimage

        “I know you’ve said this several times, Mike. I find it troubling that you seem to have more criticism for supposedly “irrational” Christians for refusing to stand by their convictions than you do for brutal and sadistic Muslims.”

        Yep. Only after I keep prodding does he come out and say anything about Islam.

        Anti-religious (anti-Christian) bigots always do this. They continue to lump all religions together. It’s like pulling teeth to get them to say anything about Islam. Only after they have been cornered on it do they then speak out.

  16. Champ says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Details about why the couple were arrested weren’t immediately available.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This precious family has been through enough, and now this nonsense …can’t wait to hear *why* they were arrested. Probably just for the sport of it–because they Can!

    • John C. Barile says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      To their devoutly Muslim Sudanese tormentors, Meriam and Daniel are guilty of capital offenses. The couple are in great danger as long as they are in the hands of the Sudanese.

      • MikeR says

        Jun 24, 2014 at 11:18 pm

        The story of Meriam and Daniel and their children is a tragic one. Their story is in no way diminished by the fact that tomorrow morning we will read or hear about at least one story just as tragic. It might be about an old lady beaten, raped, and robbed. It might be about a child who was horribly abused by a parent. It might be about an innocent family killed by a drunk driver. The difference between civilized people and uncivilized people is that the civilized never stop being appalled by such stories. We even become emotionally involved in them.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 8:48 am

          This is just witless.

          Meriam and her family are being victimised by an evil, oppressive, ‘religious’ **state**, and she is threatened with *death* for refusing to give up her deeply held faith.

          *That* is in no way analagous to accident, or the evil actions of one individual against another, which occur everyday, because uman beings are capable of doing evil to each other.

          You are a moral imbecile.

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 11:07 am

          You are just another religious nut afraid of your God. If it were not for the fear factor, there would be no religion. I refuse to believe in a cruel and vindictive God, and I refuse to live my life in fear. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. It’s a free country (But not as free as it was.).

        • Mo says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 11:16 am

          @ MikeR

          “You are just another religious nut afraid of your God. If it were not for the fear factor, there would be no religion. I refuse to believe in a cruel and vindictive God, and I refuse to live my life in fear. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. It’s a free country (But not as free as it was.).”

          Anything to say on ISLAM, as I asked you before? (Which is the topic of this story and the entire site.)

          Or just anti-Christian bigotry? (Because let’s face it, THAT is the religion you truly hate. Right?)

          Answer me.

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 1:14 pm

          Mo, what is your opinion of Thomas Jefferson? You know who he was, don’t you? He was the principal author of The Declaration of Independence. If not for him, we might still be drinking more tea than coffee and be eating tasteless, crappy food. Have you ever been to Monticello? Do you know anything about Jefferson’s religious beliefs? Have you ever heard of the Jefferson Bible? Have you ever read it?

        • Mo says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 1:45 pm

          @ MikeR

          “Mo, what is your opinion of Thomas Jefferson? You know who he was, don’t you? He was the principal author of The Declaration of Independence. If not for him, we might still be drinking more tea than coffee and be eating tasteless, crappy food. Have you ever been to Monticello? Do you know anything about Jefferson’s religious beliefs? Have you ever heard of the Jefferson Bible? Have you ever read it?

          This is not a story about the Bible. It’s certainly not a story about Thomas Jefferson. ( You can keep your stupid insults about me not knowing who Thomas Jefferson is to yourself while you’re at it. Do not EVER speak to me like I’m an idiot. Do you hear me? )

          It’s a story about ISLAM and its abuses.

          Deal with THAT.

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 2:44 pm

          Mo, thank you for confirming that you know absolutely nothing about Thomas Jefferson or the Jefferson Bible.

        • Mo says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 2:53 pm

          @ Mike R

          ‘Mo, thank you for confirming that you know absolutely nothing about Thomas Jefferson or the Jefferson Bible.”

          Thank you for confirming that you are a simply an anti-Christian bigot who cannot and will not deal with the topic of this post and of this site, which is ISLAM and the Quran, not Christianity and the Bible.

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 8:37 pm

          The two subjects are inextricably connected.

        • Mo says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 9:10 am

          @ MikeR

          “The story of Meriam and Daniel and their children is a tragic one. Their story is in no way diminished by the fact that tomorrow morning we will read or hear about at least one story just as tragic. It might be about an old lady beaten, raped, and robbed. ”

          What parallel is there between a run-of-the-mill crime, and the deliberate throwing in jail of a woman and her children due SOLELY to the teachings of an evil religion and the evil actions of its followers?

          I’d love to hear it.

        • MikeR says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 11:14 am

          The moral parallels are obvious (at least to me). Someone who commits a rape or murder, or someone who knowingly drives drunk and as a result kills someone, is no less evil than someone who kills someone over religious beliefs. That comment does not diminish the evil of any of those acts. They are equally reprehensible. The fact that one incident involves religion and the others do not involve religion is irrelevant.

        • Mo says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 11:27 am

          @ MikeR

          “The moral parallels are obvious (at least to me). ”

          Only to you.

          “The fact that one incident involves religion and the others do not involve religion is irrelevant.”

          Of course it does. That’s the entire point of this story – it’s about religion. And not just any religion, but ISLAM.

          Notice how you keep avoiding that fact and instead keep blathering on about “religions”, as though they all teach the same things and the followers do the same things.

          Go and spout your moral relativism and anti-religious bigotry elsewhere. This story is about the abuses and teachings of ISLAM.

        • Champ says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 3:17 pm

          Mo wrote to MikeR:

          Thank you for confirming that you are a simply an anti-Christian bigot who cannot and will not deal with the topic of this post and of this site, which is ISLAM and the Quran, not Christianity and the Bible.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Brava, Mo!!!! …and this nasty poster MikeR” needs to get lost.

        • Mo says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 3:19 pm

          @ Champ

          “Brava, Mo!!!! …and this nasty poster MikeR” needs to get lost.”

          Thanks.

          It’s so tiresome, isn’t it? You’d think folks like this would at least try to come up with something new every once in a while!

        • Champ says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 3:39 pm

          You’re welcome, Mo! …yeah you sure have MikeR’s number–good job!

          “It’s so tiresome, isn’t it? You’d think folks like this would at least try to come up with something new every once in a while!”

          Yes, it’s *very* tiresome. MikeR continues to derail the threads with his off-topic hatred for Christians. And people like him are such a nuisance since they are part of the problem; when instead they can choose to grow-a-brain and be part of the solution: uniting with Christians, Jews, and people of all faiths, to stand against our common enemy: islam

          Well, I think my advice has fallen on deaf ears, and MikeR has turned himself into a bonafide loser on JW–since he’s lost perspective and comradery with others here.

          Take care, my friend!

        • Mo says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 3:46 pm

          @ Champ

          “uniting with Christians, Jews, and people of all faiths, to stand against our common enemy: islam”

          Yes, indeed. We are all in the same proverbial boat here. Islam teaches hatred of us all, so we must stand together against it. We don’t have to agree on every topic. We don’t even have to like each other very much. (Though that’s always preferable.)

          “Take care, my friend!”

          You as well!

  17. Lawrence Kelley III says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    WICKED, TWO-FACED, LYING (TIQIYYA) BASTARDS!!!!

    HUSSEIN OBAMA-SOEBARKAH CAN SEND MILITARY ADVISERS TO NIGERIA TO HELP HUNT DOWN BOKO HARAM & THE SCHOOL GIRLS HE KIDNAPPED, BUT CAN’T DO THE SAME IN SUDAN JUST A FEW HUNDRED MILES TO THE EAST.

    OBAMA-SOEBARKAH IS A MUSLIM HIMSELF. WE ALL KNOW THAT NOW.
    AND REMEMBER HOW HE LIED WHEN CAMPAIGNING SAYING: “JESUS IS LORD!”
    WHAT A TOTAL LOWLIFE CREEP. HOPE GOD BRINGS HIS HAND AGAINST HIM.

  18. Angemon says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    You know what? I wouldn’t be surprised if the government is just keeping her in the country and waiting a pious muslim decides to carry out the sentence for apostasy himself. If that happened, the sentence would have been carried out and the government wouldn’t have to cave in to international pressure to contradict what’s in the quran and ahadith.

  19. voegelinian says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Indeed.

    • Wellington says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 9:35 pm

      I second your “indeed,” voegelinian, to no45th’s post. I think we can agree, as I believe so many others would, that the so-called “moderate Muslims” are actually, ironically and even paradoxically more of a hindrance to the continuation of Western liberty than are the “radicals” of this most deluded and warped religion which goes by the name of “Islam.”

      After all, giving cover to malevolence by way of ignorance or silent complicity is quite arguably the only thing worse than pure evil itself. I trust that here we have no dispute.

  20. WTD says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    Embassy of Sudan: Mariam is free to leave Sudan, she just has to do it legally

    WASHINGTON, June 24, 2014 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The Court of Appeal in Northern Khartoum overruled the primary court verdict regarding the convicted Abrar Hadi Mohammed Abdullah (Meriam Ibrahim) and ordered her release after the pleadings submitted by her defense. With such a highly anticipated outcome of a case that has been misused by many to smear Sudan, Sudan’s justice system deserves the utmost respect and recognition.

    Once again, the people of Sudan represented in their judicial system have proven to the world that they possess the wisdom, tolerance, and a just system that protects human rights and beliefs.

    It is regrettable and disturbing that some elements attempted to bring Mariam to U.S by issuing her an entry visa on a fraudulent travelling document obtained from a foreign country (for a woman the whole world knows is a Sudanese national). That is inexcusable and unnecessary violations for all laws and regulations including US ones. The same legal system that protects her right and secures her freedom is capable of guaranteeing her right to leave the country whenever the legal procedure comes to an end.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 8:54 pm

      Thanks for the update, WTD. More mind games. The Sudanese lauding their own oppressive Islamic system—and expecting civilized people to buy their crap—is just grimly laughable.

  21. King Dave says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    The Islamic government of Sudan’s Reversal of the death penalty for apostasy was clearly a ruse. As expected by anyone who pays attention to Islam, as soon as media attention dies, so will this Christian woman

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Jun 27, 2014 at 7:22 am

      Well then, the pressure has to be kept up, and *increased*.

      Letters and rallies and pressure put on *western* governments, unrelentingly, to put pressure on Sudan.

  22. gravenimage says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    Very important point, DEWDDS.

  23. eib says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Bad faith declarations are the product of a bad faith. Islam.

  24. WTD says

    Jun 24, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    EXCLUSIVE: Sudanese mother freed from death sentence for marrying a Christian is now charged with fraud and BANNED from leaving the country as campaigners slam State Department for ‘shameful’ attempt to help her

    The Sudanese woman who was sentenced to death for being a Christian has been released from her latest detention but has been charged with new crimes, MailOnline can reveal.
    Meriam Ibrahim has been accused of falsifying travel documents as she tried to leave the African country hours after the death penalty was dropped against her.
    It is understood that the authorities told her she should have used the Muslim name she had when she was born, not the Christian name she uses after choosing to worship that faith.

    • Champ says

      Jun 24, 2014 at 10:18 pm

      Oh my gosh the red tape of islam is neverending! Here we have more preposterous charges being brought against dear Meriam. G’us a break!

      • Semeru says

        Jun 25, 2014 at 2:05 am

        Oh my gosh the red tape of islam is neverending! Here we have more preposterous charges being brought against dear Meriam. G’us a break!

        No not preposterous, Ibrahim was arrested for not having the proper travel documents, she was using emergency South Sudanese documents with a United States visa even though she is Sudanese.

        I find it strange that she could get an entry visa to the states so quickly, as South Sudan or Sudan do not participate in the Visa Waiver Program.

        Very sloppy of then to use false traveling documents when so many eyes are on them

        • Champ says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 2:09 am

          It is understood that the authorities told her she should have used the Muslim name she had when she was born, not the Christian name she uses after choosing to worship that faith.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Oh please. These are in fact preposterous charges, but once again “semeru” gives islam and company a pass–like always.

        • Champ says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 2:27 am

          The whole nightmare that Meriam and her family have had to **endure** is PREPOSTEROUS, as is the whole of islam!!!!! …but notice that this important fact escapes the attention of the mohammedan slave “semeru”.

          Get lost slave. Y’bug me!

        • Mirren10 says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 8:14 am

          ”Very sloppy of then to use false traveling documents when so many eyes are on them”

          semeru, you make me **puke**.

          This woman is fighting for her freedom and her life, to live freely with her husband and children and practice her religion.

          Sudan is brutally and evilly attempting to prevent that, to take her *life*, and her *family*, and her *religion*, and all you can find to say is **very sloppy of them** ??!!

          Not **one** word about the evil behaviour of the Sudanese government, not one word about how Meriam was forcrd to give birth **chained to her bed** – no, all **you** can say is ”very sloppy of them.

          You are a disgraceful excuse for a human being. Bugger off and die. You make me **sick**.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2014 at 8:21 am

          Mirren10 posted:

          “semeru, you make me **puke**.

          This woman is fighting for her freedom and her life, to live freely with her husband and children and practice her religion.

          Sudan is brutally and evilly attempting to prevent that, to take her *life*, and her *family*, and her *religion*, and all you can find to say is **very sloppy of them** ??!!

          Not **one** word about the evil behaviour of the Sudanese government, not one word about how Meriam was forcrd to give birth **chained to her bed** – no, all **you** can say is ”very sloppy of them.

          You are a disgraceful excuse for a human being. Bugger off and die. You make me **sick**.”

          Pretty much the same conclusion i got in this topic where ASSemeru tried to defend the atrocities of indonesians in East Timor:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/sharia-france-muslims-assault-man-for-eating-ham-sandwich

          According to him, the invasion was the work of christians who happened to be indonesian.

        • Mazo says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 12:36 am

          This lying piece of scum Angemon claimed I was your sockpuppet account here

          Angemon
          March 2, 2014 at 3:39 pm
          Nothing worth seeing here folks. Just semeru complaining that all JW readers are western imperialist racist bigots who have a grudge against muslims. Of course, since that’s not true, he needs to create a sockpuppet account to say something incredibly racist and stupid so he can use his other sockpuppet accounts to pat each other on the back and say “look at that guy, that’s how all JW readers are”.

          Reply

          Then this lying piece of filth spent hours trying to deny that he claimed I was you. Who else was he referring to back then?

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/malaysia-obama-to-honor-islam-by-visiting-triumphal-mosque-built-on-site-of-church

          After he lied and tried to attribute what you said to me (I never talked about how Indonesia wwas religiously tolerant, and he dares place my handle in his post and attributes your comments to me)

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/indonesia-thousands-at-anti-shia-alliance-event-call-for-jihad-against-shiites/comment-page-1#comment-1039481

        • Angemon says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 5:05 am

          The Maz-hole posted:

          “This lying piece of scum Angemon claimed I was your sockpuppet account here”

          I didn’t mention your name or the word sockpuppet here you dumbass. Do you kiss the black stone with that lying mouth?

          “Then this lying piece of filth spent hours trying to deny that he claimed I was you. Who else was he referring to back then?”

          Hours? LOL, more like a handful minutes since you never proved anything. You made up that lie and constantly repeated it to distract attention away from the fact i was shooting you down and exposing your lies. In fact, in the topic that Maz-hole links to, i stated several times that i used ASSemeru and Maz-Hole interchangeably because they both spout the same kind of nonsense. Also notice that long time regular Philip Jihadski said before that he ran ASSemeru’s and MAz-Holes posts through an academic anti-plagiarism software and they turned out to be ober 90% similar.

          “After he lied and tried to attribute what you said to me (I never talked about how Indonesia wwas religiously tolerant, and he dares place my handle in his post and attributes your comments to me)”

          Once again, more lies from the Maz-Hole. Like i said before, I used ASSemeru and Maz-Hole interchangeably because they both spout the same nonsense about Indonesia and the Maz-Hole is trying to pass that me saying “ASSemeru said this but Angemon is saying it was me who said it”. What a lying piece of pig crap Maz-Hole is. Do you kiss the black stone with that filthy mouth? Do you get extra good deed points if you make up lies about non-muslims?

          Overall, the Maz-Hole is acting like a good mahommedan by mimicking muhammad, like the quran mandates. Apparently, muhammad never forgot a perceived slight and never let go of a grudge, and neither does the Maz-Hole, as you can see by his creepy stalker behaviour. Now, notice that on the topic the Maz-Hole links to he claims this:

          “ Angemon tried to associate me with Semeru and Indonesia in the first place- is it because Philip Jihadski accused me and Semeru of being the same person?”

          That raises two questions. The first is, why his the Maz-Hole only attacking me and not PJ despite, according to him, we both said the same thing? Does it have anything to do with being me and not PJ who debunked the Maz-Hole’s trash and exposed his lies? The second is, two different people (allegedly) said the same thing. Is the “you claim i’m ASSemeru therefore i’ll stop discussing the issue at hand and focus on calling you a liar” a typical Maz-Hole defense strategy or is it possible that ASSemeru and the Maz-Hole in fact spout the same nonsensical crap to the point they’re indistinguishable?

          Now, what does the Maz-Hole’s grudge with me has to do with Meriam and her situation? Nothing, that’s what. I pointed out to Mirren10 that ASSemeru’s views and behaviour in another topic was as stomach turning as his behaviour here (go read that other topic if you want) and here comes the MAz-Hole for the rescue, acting like ASSemeru’s personal white knight. It’s not only a ruse to draw attention away from the plight of Meriam but also a petty attempt to get back at me for handing his ass over to him on the Malaysia mosque he’s linking to. Notice that ASSemeru and the Maz-Hole are not the only posters whose lies, half.truths and fabrications i exposed in the past, but those are the only ones who tag team to cover each other’s ass. Begone Maz-Hole, and let’s get back to Meriam’s plight.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 6:06 am

          Just a small addendum to further expose the MAz-Hole for the sack of lying crap with a grudge he is:

          The Maz-Hole posted:

          “Angemon
          March 2, 2014 at 3:39 pm
          Nothing worth seeing here folks. Just semeru complaining that all JW readers are western imperialist racist bigots who have a grudge against muslims. Of course, since that’s not true, he needs to create a sockpuppet account to say something incredibly racist and stupid so he can use his other sockpuppet accounts to pat each other on the back and say “look at that guy, that’s how all JW readers are”.

          Reply”

          Hey Maz-Hole, here’s the topic you’re taking that post from:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/china-islamic-jihadists-murder-27-injure-109-in-jihad-attack-at-kunming-railway-station

          Any reason to NOT link to the topic where you’re taking the post from? I wonder if it has anything to do with not wanting others to see that Champ and PJ suspect you and ASSemeru from being the same person? No, you can’t have that, can’t you? You can’t have other people accusing you and ASSemeru of being the same person when you need to falsely claim i’m talking about you and ASSemeru.

          Now, for your claim that i’m referring to you and ASSemeru on that post you need to show two things: one) a post of either you or ASSemeru saying what i referred to as “something incredibly racist and stupid” and two) a post of the other one saying something along the lines of what i described (“look at that guy, that’s how all JW readers are”). Post those posts or admit you’re lying.

          But you post them, can you? Hence you you didn’t link to the topic where you’re cherrypicking my post from. You just searched and searched through god knows how many hundreds (thousands?) of topics, you came across one where i said “ASSemeru” and “sockpuppet”and you decided to say “oh, look, Angemon is talking about me”. You festering pile of pig crap, stick to your usual shtick of claiming that anti-jihadis are in fact anti-chinese racists, or spreading eastern-western strife, or whatever lying crap usually flies out of your lying orifices.

          You owe me two apologies. You purposely cherry picked one of my posts out of context in order to falsely claim i was talking about you and ASSemeru and you insulted me while doing so. Apologize for the lie and apologize for the insults you threw at me, you pig-dog with no no sense of honor or truth.

          And after you apologize, i suggest you go eat a tub of sand, like you suggested Mr Spencer to do in case the attackers turned out not to be Uyghurs – which turned out they were:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/china-islamic-jihadists-murder-27-injure-109-in-jihad-attack-at-kunming-railway-station/comment-page-1#comment-1015460

          The Maz-Hole posted:

          “If the attackers turn out not to be Uyghurs, go eat a tub of sand and never ever stick your nose into asian affairs again….“

        • Angemon says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 6:17 am

          Oh, another thing, you Maz-Hole. Is ASSemeru such a disgusting excuse for a human being that even your paranoid ass gets bent out of shape when you think someone is linking the two of you? Is ASSemeru so bad that even you want to have nothing to do with him?

        • Semeru says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 6:42 am

          According to angemon

          According to him, the invasion was the work of christians who happened to be indonesian.

          you area lying POS. i have never said that invasion was the the work of christians, but I have said that the christian generals that where involved just happen to be Indonesia.

          And ugly fact that many counter jihadi loathe to acknowledge

          You can notice how the POS doesn’t link direct to the comment but to the thread.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 7:01 am

          ASSemeru posted:

          “According to angemon

          According to him, the invasion was the work of christians who happened to be indonesian.

          you area lying POS. i have never said that invasion was the the work of christians”

          Let’s play a game: i link to posts where you only blame christians for the invasion and to posts where you say that the invasion had nothing to do with islam, and you link to posts where you blame muslims and non-christians for the invasion. Whoever runs out of posts to link first loses. The date and time on the posts needs to be older than the date and time on this post. You start. 3… 2… 1… GO!!!

          “but I have said that the christian generals that where involved just happen to be Indonesia.”

          And that’s exactly what PROVES you blame the invasion on christians alone. If not, you’d say “the generals involved were indonesian who just happened to be christians”, not the other way around. Hence why you refused to blame indonesia for the invasion of East Timor and the atrocities and attempted genocide committed against the East Timorese.

          “And ugly fact that many counter jihadi loathe to acknowledge

          You can notice how the POS doesn’t link direct to the comment but to the thread.”

          Ah, imitation id the best form of flattery. Look at what i posted here very recently:

          “http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/sudanese-christian-just-released-from-prison-rearrested-with-husband-at-airport/comment-page-1#comment-1080904”

          “Hey Maz-Hole, here’s the topic you’re taking that post from:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/china-islamic-jihadists-murder-27-injure-109-in-jihad-attack-at-kunming-railway-station

          Any reason to NOT link to the topic where you’re taking the post from?”

          How cute, ASSemeru is trying to copy what i did. Now, here’s where he gets it wrong: the Maz-hole cherry picked one of my posts and purposely left out the topic where it came from. He did that because, if one were to read the topic, one would realize that MAz-Holes claim does not hold up to scrutiny. I, on the other hand, link to the topic and tell you what to look. Anyone who is interested can go and see for themselves. Now, in order to ASSemeru’s claim make any sense, i shouldn’t have linked to the topic at all. Poor ASSemeru, you tired and you failed… AGAIN 🙂 🙂 🙂

          Now, i’ll let this one slip because, like i said, imitation is the best form of flattery, but you still owe me two apologies. Apologize. Now.

        • Semeru says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 7:00 am

          What a POS angemon is.

          He rants at Mazo for not linking directly to a comment. Yet the hypocritical POS doesn’t link directly to a comment I am supposed to have made.

          He then tells Mazo to get back on topic, when i was POSAngemon who went of topic

        • Angemon says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 7:07 am

          ASSemeru posted:

          “What a POS angemon is.

          He rants at Mazo for not linking directly to a comment. Yet the hypocritical POS doesn’t link directly to a comment I am supposed to have made.
          ”

          LOL!!! More lies from ASSemeru. I rightfully scolded the Maz-Hole for copying one of my posts and leaving out the topic where it was taken from. I, on the other hand, linked to the topic where your comment is. Clearly not the same situation, and clearly the lying POS in this case is you.

          Unless you want to claim you’re too dumb to tell the difference between copy/pasting a post without mentioning the topic it was in and saying “well, ASSemeru said this, here’s the topic, go see for yourselves”. Because if you claim you’re too dumb to tell the difference i’ll probably believe it, given your track record, and i bet most of the regulars will too.

          “He then tells Mazo to get back on topic, when i was POSAngemon who went of topic”

          Pffft! More lies from ASSemeru. I replied to someone who pointed out how disgusting you are. How am i going out of topic when i’m replying to someone else, dumbass?

          Now, you owe me two apologies. Apologize. Now.

        • Semeru says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 8:43 am

          Once again you lying POS. i have never said that invasion was the the work of christians, but I have said that the christian generals that where involved just happen to be Indonesia.

          Notice the word involved, one of its meanings is participating , or to take or have a part or share

          No I do not owe you an apology, rather it is you that owes me an apology, for distorting what I say

          The fact is the moslem majority Indonesia committed one of the worst holocausts of the last century, with christian generals participating, and the USA suppling 90% of the weapons.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 11:01 am

          ASSemeru posted:

          “Once again you lying POS. i have never said that invasion was the the work of christians”

          Notice what i said here:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/sudanese-christian-just-released-from-prison-rearrested-with-husband-at-airport/comment-page-1#comment-1080921

          “Let’s play a game: i link to posts where you only blame christians for the invasion and to posts where you say that the invasion had nothing to do with islam, and you link to posts where you blame muslims and non-christians for the invasion. Whoever runs out of posts to link first loses. The date and time on the posts needs to be older than the date and time on this post. ”

          Now, do you see ASSemeru linking to a post of him blaming muslims and non-muslims for the invasion? Neither do i. In fact, in the post of him i’m replying to he goes to say “The fact is the moslem majority Indonesia committed one of the worst holocausts of the last century“, but even that is misleading since he follows up with “with christian generals participating, and the USA suppling 90% of the weapons“, Now, do you see him admitting that muslims are in any way related to the genocide of the East Timorese? Neither do I. He only says that christian generals participated – not indonesian generals from the muslim-majority Indonesia, just “christian generals”. So what we have here is more proof that he can’t bring himself up to criticize muslims for what happened in East Timor. What a disgusting piece of human waste ASSemeru is proving himself to be.

          Now, since he didn’t post any older posts of him like i asked, then we can conclude that it’s very likely he never did. My game is still going ASSemeru. Older posts. Now.

          Also notice that earlier on ASSemeru called me a POS for not linking to a specific post:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/sudanese-christian-just-released-from-prison-rearrested-with-husband-at-airport/comment-page-1#comment-1080920

          “What a POS angemon is.

          He rants at Mazo for not linking directly to a comment. Yet the hypocritical POS doesn’t link directly to a comment I am supposed to have made. ”

          And here he is commeting about something he said without linking to the specific post – with the added irony of being the same he chided me for not linking to. What does that make him? By his logic, a POS, and a hypocrite on top of it.

          “No I do not owe you an apology, rather it is you that owes me an apology, for distorting what I say”

          You little turd, i didn’t distort what you said. You kept blaming the invasion on christian generals alone, and you even went as far as to say that the generals were christians that just happened to be indonesian, not the other way around. In fact, you even went out of your way to avoid saying that muslims participated in the genocide of the East Timorese people.

          In fact, here’s a standard ASSemeru post regarding Indonesia and East Timor:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/indonesia-sharia-to-apply-to-non-muslims-in-aceh/comment-page-1#comment-1028849

          Feel free to read all of it, i’ll just post some excerpts that i consider to be relevant to this discussion:

          “Fact #1 The actual architect of the 1975 invasion was a stern army general known as Benny Moerdani. The most powerful of commanders to serve under Suharto, Moerdani was a conservative Javanese Catholic, not only that, it was Moerdani who broke a cease-fire

          Fact #2 Benny Moerdani was not the only high ranking christian army officer involved with East Timor.”

          “Fact #3 Many of the militia members targeting church institutions in East Timor were themselves primarily recruited from Catholic families.”

          [note: there’s no indication that the recruited militia members were catholic, think about janissaries in the ottoman empire, who were also recruited from christian families]

          “Fact #5 The characterisation of the East Timorese as a racial or ethnical group targeted for genocide is equally problematic. Although Indonesia was primarily responsible for the post-ballot violence and pre-ballot intimidation, most acts of violence against pro-independence East Timorese were physically carried out by militia members of most of whom were East Timorese. The issue is whether members of a group targeted for genocide can carry out genocide against other members of their own group.”

          That proves that ASSemeru places the blames for the invasion on christians who, according to him, just happened to be indonesians, as if being indonesians had nothing to do with their role in the invasion and the sole deciding factor was them being christians. Now, did you all read the whole post? Did you saw him talking about the role of muslims on the invasion of East Timor and the atrocities committed against the timorese, even though Indonesia is a muslim-majority country, muslims composed the vast majority of the Indonesian army and that the head of state at the time was a muslim? Neither did I. In fact, look at whom he blames for the bulk of the atrocities committed in East Timor. According to him, “The characterisation of the East Timorese as a racial or ethnical group targeted for genocide is equally problematic. […] The issue is whether members of a group targeted for genocide can carry out genocide against other members of their own group.. Did you catch that? Stomach-turning “blame the victim” theory, courtesy of ASSemeru.

          BTW, ASSemeru, if you’re thinking about saying “Angemon scolded Maz-Hole for being a stalker and searching thousands of topics looking for Angemons’s old posts to bring up but Angemon did the same with my post” you got another thing coming. That post of yours was posted by the Maz-Hole a couple of months ago:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/malaysia-obama-to-honor-islam-by-visiting-triumphal-mosque-built-on-site-of-church/comment-page-1#comment-1041578

          And since it was the Maz-Hole who brought that Malaysia Obama topic up, you can thank him for your latest ass-kicking .

          “No I do not owe you an apology, rather it is you that owes me an apology, for distorting what I say”

          No, it is YOU who owe me some apologies. You owed me two, one for a false charge and another for making a false claim about what i said, and now you owe one more, for the exact same reason. How can i be distorting what you say when all I do is quote you and point the implications of what you say, you ignorant pig-dog?

          And from now on, kindly stick to the issue at hand – the plight of Meriam. Repeat your disgusting “blame the victim” theory if you don’t have anything worthwhile to say but from now on only post off-topic comments if you decide to apologize to me, not to gratuitously insult me like your sorry butthurt ass has been doing so far, mmmkay?

        • Semeru says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 10:32 am

          Mirren 10

          This woman is fighting for her freedom and her life, to live freely with her husband and children and practice her religion.

          Sudan is brutally and evilly attempting to prevent that, to take her *life*, and her *family*, and her *religion*, and all you can find to say is **very sloppy of them** ??!!

          Yes the woman is fighting for her life etc etc

          So to get her out of the country on South Sudanese emergency passport was very clumsy.

          Why

          #1 The immigration officals are aware that she is Sudanese, so it is certain they are going to make problems for her. Clumsy that her people did not foresee that

          #2 She was traveling on an emergency South Sudanese passport, which are issued so as a citizen can travel back to Southern Sudan

          #3 The passport was issued after only several hours, so this is going to raise questions as to whether it is legitimate.

          #4 An emergency passport is valid for only three months, USA immigration regulations require that the passport is valid for six months before expiring, when applying for a visa. So there is a question on how she got a visa on an emergency passport.

          #5 She may have a visa in her passport, but that does not guarantee, she would be allowed into the USA. This is entirely up to the immigration official at the port of arrival.

          #6 What will happen to her if the immigration refuse her entry because she tried to enter without a proper passport

          When so much is at risk then then they have been very clumsy

        • Mazo says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 11:57 am

          I don’t apologize to people who lie.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/robert-spencer-in-frontpage-mag-leland-yee-an-anti-gun-democrat-jihadists-can-love/comment-page-1#comment-1029178

        • Angemon says

          Jun 26, 2014 at 1:31 pm

          The Maz-Hole posted:

          “I don’t apologize to people who lie.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/robert-spencer-in-frontpage-mag-leland-yee-an-anti-gun-democrat-jihadists-can-love/comment-page-1#comment-1029178”

          Dumbass. Linking to one of your posts claiming JW and FPM lied bears no significance to the apologies you owe me.

          You owe me two apologies. You purposely cherry picked one of my posts out of context in order to falsely claim i was talking about you and ASSemeru and you insulted me while doing so. Apologize for the lie and apologize for the insults you threw at me, you stinky pig-dog.

          And after you apologize, i suggest you go eat a tub of sand, like you suggested Mr Spencer to do in case the attackers turned out not to be Uyghurs – which turned out they were- and never ever stick your snout into my affairs again:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/china-islamic-jihadists-murder-27-injure-109-in-jihad-attack-at-kunming-railway-station/comment-page-1#comment-1015460

          The Maz-Hole posted:

          “If the attackers turn out not to be Uyghurs,go eat a tub of sand and never ever stick your nose into asian affairs again….“

  25. duh_swami says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 5:34 am

    Religion…The late Rev Hensley said, ‘Everyone knows more about it (religion)_, than you do, just give them a chance and they will tell you all about it’…

    Meriam…I knew this was going to happen…I hate it when I’m right.

    • Mo says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 9:04 am

      @ duh_swami

      “Religion…The late Rev Hensley said, ‘Everyone knows more about it (religion)_, than you do, just give them a chance and they will tell you all about it’…

      Meriam…I knew this was going to happen…I hate it when I’m right.”

      We’re not talking about “religion” here, since religions all teach different things.

      We are talking about Islam.

  26. duh_swami says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 5:38 am

    Everyone talks about ‘moderate’ Mahoundians, but no one has ever seen one.

  27. WTD says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 8:17 am

    Note how the gravity of the dangerously precarious situation is for Christians in Sudan…this is how a “Christian” publication reports this family’s troubles in Sudan:

    Meriam Ibrahim re-released

    “Latest reports suggest that the Christian Sudanese mother-of-two who was sentenced to death for apostasy, released, and then detained at the airport yesterday, has been freed once more.”

    (Snip)

    “Persecution charity Release International yesterday welcomed Ibrahim’s release, but warned that she is still at risk from “vigilantes” and that religious persecution in Sudan is on the rise.

    “We’re delighted Meriam has been released, but it should never have come to this,” Release Chief Executive, Paul Robinson, said in a statement.

    “Religious coercion – persecution by another name – is already getting worse for Christians in Sudan, despite the constitution. The authorities are becoming more rigid in their enforcement of Islamic law. They have demolished churches and deported Christians. And if it hadn’t been for an international outcry, they might have taken the life of this woman.”

    Demolished churches! deported Christians! Sure doesn’t illustrate the barbaric nature of Islamic ethnic/cultural/religious cleansing, now does it?

  28. Jay Boo says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Is it ‘mind games’ or do they want to hold out until Ramadan so they can give Islam the credit for being ‘merciful’?

    By the same token if they knew that politicians in the West would not only hold them accountable but use this as an opportunity to put Islam’s nose face down deep into its own stink at Ramadan for the whole world to see these servants of self-serving Islam would be forced to behave like decent human beings.

  29. John C. Barile says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Spot on.

  30. DhimmiNot says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Hmmm…things are beginning to be more clear now. This morning, the BBC has posted a photocopy of the travel documents of Meriam Ibrahim, all prepared by her lawyers and aided by the US State Department.

    The documents are from the Republic of South Sudan and are entitled Emergency Travel Document…all in English. It bears a US Visa stamp.
    In it, Meriam states that she is South Sudanese and lives in South Sudan, but was born in Al-Gedarif. This city is within Sudan, not South Sudan. Therefore Sudan claims that she is using false travel documents.

    An error like this is perplexing as she is being advised by 3 or 4 lawyers, the US State Department and the government of South Sudan.

  31. Mirren10 says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    MikeR said to me:

    ”You are just another religious nut afraid of your God.”

    Wrong. I am actually agnostic.

    However, I am quite capable of appreciating the essential differences between islam and Christianity.

    How many Christians are demanding that atheists like you should be imprisoned ? None.

    As has been noted above, you are far more concerned with your hatred for Christianity, than you are in exposing the evil of islam.

    Bugger off. You have nothing cogent to say.

    • Champ says

      Jun 25, 2014 at 1:43 pm

      As has been noted above, you are far more concerned with your hatred for Christianity, than you are in exposing the evil of islam.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Bingo, Mirren10! …you’ve nailed it!

      MikeR has revealed his rabid hate towards Christians here, and he’s better suited on a forum where he may bash Christians to his evil hearts content …since this forum isn’t going to tolerate it!

      Too many posters here understand that Christianity is a true religion of peace, and that islam is NOT. Poor and ignorant, MikeR, he’s incapable of making this distinction and focusing on the real enemy: islam.

      So yes, MikeR needs to *bugger off* and take his detrimental offerings someplace else and stat. He either needs to become part of the solution, or leave. And as it stands, he is only part of the problem. Many atheists, agnostics, Christians, Jews–and of course other faiths, are banding together as friends here to focus on what really threatens our freedoms and lives: islam.

      Take care, my friend 🙂

      • MikeR says

        Jun 25, 2014 at 10:20 pm

        John Adams: This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.
        Thomas Jefferson: We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication.

  32. Frank Courtney says

    Jun 25, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    I agree with Wellington that “moderate Muslims” giving cover to malevolence is worse than the pure evil of Islam but I would argue it is not the only thing worse.
    Other contenders are Islam’s leftist pimps, media dhimmis, liberal apologists, PCMC nincompoops, cultural relativists et al who deny, obscure or excuse the truly abhorrent nature of Islam.

  33. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jun 27, 2014 at 7:36 am

    I observe that a certain mohammedan who has turned up in this thread had zilch, nada, *zero* to say by way of condemnation of the gross injustice and cruelty – every bit of it derived directly from the sharia of Islam – to which an addled-by-Islam Sudanese state has been subjecting a Christian woman and her husband and small children.

    And that, I think, tells us all we need to know about him.

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