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The belated dawning of awareness about jihad and the caliphate

Jun 18, 2014 3:37 pm By Robert Spencer

The ace artist and satirist BigFurHat says that Glenn Beck has called out the Left for mocking his warnings about the caliphate a few years ago. It’s true: not only did the Left mock him, but I have heard rumors that his focus on the caliphate was a big reason why Beck lost his Fox show, as it cut against the reigning Fox/establishment GOP narrative that Islam is a Religion of Peace That Has Been Hijacked By A Tiny Minority of Extremists.

But BigFurHat adds: “Beck, if you had any integrity at all, dedicated counter-jihadists would have been in that studio with you the day you aired this [show calling out the Left for previously mocking him for calling attention to jihadis’ caliphate aspirations]. I would have voted to have Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller in the studio, simply because they are not only mocked by the left, they are mocked by the right as well. Without them I doubt Beck would even know the word caliphate.”

It must be said that that is true as well. I was the primary source for Beck’s information on the caliphate. On February 5, 2011, I posted here at Jihad Watch video of one of Beck’s first caliphate segments and wrote: “I spent over three hours with one of Beck’s producers a few days ago, providing information for this report on the caliphate dreams of Islamic supremacists worldwide, and how they’re advancing country-by-country.” The segment simply repeated the gist of what I told his producer, who had promised I would be credited, but of course, I was not.

The point here is not that I didn’t get credit for my work. The point is that the establishment Right, especially the Republican Party and Fox News, but also including Beck to some degree, has bought into the Islamic supremacist/Leftist narrative that talking about Islam, jihad and the caliphate honestly constitutes “hatred” and “bigotry,” and has been all too willing to do the opposition’s bidding and shun those who have taken the most heat from the pro-jihad forces. Fox tries (unsuccessfully) to avoid the “Islamophobia” smear by repeating the politically correct line that this is all “radical Islam,” not the real thing, and playing the Left’s game by featuring only ex-Muslims, Christian Arabs, and self-proclaimed moderate Muslims. Beck also tries (and also fails) to avoid the same smear by regularly featuring the nation’s sole moderate Muslim spokesman, Zuhdi Jasser.

By playing along with the Left’s Alinskyite discredit-marginalize-and-sideline game, Beck, Fox, and the establishment Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot. Because the Left and the Islamic supremacists have not spared them and will spare them from the same smear-and-destroy tactics. Once the highest-profile counter-jihadists are destroyed, it will be the turn of the second line. And so on. And the second and third tier who have played along with the game will have, by legitimizing it, abetted the mechanism of their own destruction.

“Glenn Beck Revisits The Time When The Left Was Mocking Him For Saying The Goal of Islam is To Build a Caliphate,” by BigFurHat, iOwnTheWorld, June 18, 2014 (thanks to Pamela Geller):

Good video HERE. And I’m happy Beck has the size platform he has in order to mock the left for being late to this particular party.

That’s all well and good,

BUT

is Beck trying to work his way up to the front row just before they take the official portrait of America’s counter-jihadists?

It’s good that Beck is saying that it’s good that the left is finally catching on, but let’s get real here. I just can’t sit idly by and watch Beck dole out the crow pie as he glosses over the day-in day-out fearless warriors on the jihad front while he presents himself as the Paul Revere on the topic. Beck gets heat for a day or two after a one or two day mention of the caliphate and he’s the symbol of counter-jihad, a martyred one to boot?

There are people that are on FBI watch lists because of their counter-jihad work. Their are people whose entire beat is this topic, I just think they deserve a nod.

Beck, if you had any integrity at all, dedicated counter-jihadists would have been in that studio with you the day you aired this.

I would have voted to have Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller in the studio, simply because they are not only mocked by the left, they are mocked by the right as well.

Without them I doubt Beck would even know the word caliphate.
/rant off

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  1. Tim Furnish says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    Robert,
    Same thing applies to Mahdism as to the Caliphate–FNC will occasionally have me on, but then doesn’t want me to discuss such topics honestly. I was on Shepard Smith in April re Boko Haram and his producer warned me in advance about “dissing a religion.” So Shep never ever gave me a chance to point out that BH’s jihad was just the latest in a long line of such in West African history going back centuries.

    • John C. Barile says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 4:41 pm

      Yours is a fascinating and instructive website, Mr, Furnish.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 4:54 pm

      Thank you, Tim.

    • PRCS says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 8:56 pm

      Thank you, Tim.

      I tweeted? emailed? you right after your “Shep” appearance.

      When you responded that his producer had told you not to “bash” Islam (I think that was the phrase) my suspicions were confirmed.

      I’m glad that you’ve made JW readers aware of that Fox News policy.

      I think Fox is better than, say, MSNBC in reporting the issue–but…

  2. John C. Barile says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    I would like to be on your roster of real believers in our righteous cause, RS.

  3. ....--- says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    I think you’re too harsh to Fox, Robert. Usually its hosts and commentators quite realistic about threat of jihadism, especially on The Five show. Of course Fox is not perfect, but compared to most other media outlets it’s pretty good on this issue.

    • voegelinian says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 7:50 pm

      Sure, FOX is great when they are reporting on the Tiny Minority of Extremists; but they are woefully, unconscionably inadequate with regard to the Vast Majority of 1.3 billion Fanatics and the Normative, Mainstream Islam that is the overwhelming framework and inspiration for their fanaticism.

    • PRCS says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 8:47 pm

      I MUST disagree.

      I want to vomit every time the crew of “The Five” addresses–ever so matter of factly–“radical” Islam.

      Andrea Tantaros–who claims to have read the Qur’an–is the absolute and most idiotically moronic worst.

      And, just now, Dennis Miller repeated that “radical” Islam nonsense at least twice on his pal, Bill’s show.

      • bobm says

        Jun 18, 2014 at 11:12 pm

        Dennis Miller?…..nuff said!

    • ben t says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 7:20 am

      We are in a life and death struggle with mohammedanism. “Pretty good” is NOT enough!

  4. Bosch Fawstin says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    I recently tweeted Beck about something he said about Islam years ago, (which Robert posted on JW in 2007)

    .@glennbeck do u stand by your words “I have read the Koran & can tell you that I unequivocally believe that Islam is a religion of peace” ?

    No answer and I don’t expect one, but I had to call him out. He needs to state how wrong he was and get on board with the ugly truth about Islam.

    • John C. Barile says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 4:42 pm

      Hi Bosch!

      • Bosch Fawstin says

        Jun 18, 2014 at 4:44 pm

        Hey John 🙂

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      Bosch, good to see you posting! How goes the Anti-Jihad art?

    • voegelinian says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      Two years ago, I emailed Beck about that same quote.

      Similarly, he ignored me.

    • awake says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 8:07 pm

      True dat Bosch. It was back when he was on CNN headline, and he also claimed the TMOE line to be true, which he estimated at about 10% of the global Muslim population, a number he obviously pulled out of an empty hat.

      Well, considering that Muslims exceed a billion people world wide, then simply do the math.

      A hundred million jihadists, with an obvious erring on the low, low side.

      Just today the neocon Beck stated that liberals were right and that invading tar-baby Iraq was a mistake.

      That said, BFH is entirely correct in that Beck is seizing opportunity to try to reinvent himself as Robert Spencer without actually acknowledging that Robert actually exists.

      Honest, compassionate conservative, my ass.

    • CVictoria says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 4:14 pm

      I emailed Beck about that same episode. I was floored when i saw it.
      there is no moderation in islam. you’re either brainwashed or you’re not.
      He boasts about seeking the truth but, really, as an amatuer Christian apologist
      he has not found Truth yet. He a morman for crying out loud! Jos Smith raved
      about Mohammed. hmmmm!

  5. logdon says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    Robert’s book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam was my first tome on the subject.

    Since then I devoured other sources on the history of Islam and guides as to how we got where we are.

    Not one of them lines up with the narrative being fed universally across the globe and pushed by the UN, EU, virtually all governments and every municipal council and public service entity here in Britain.

    It took some doing to overcome my avowed non-racism and of course as we all know Islam is not a race that canard flew out of the window some time ago.

    Still they hide behind race law and most liberals, keen to burnish the credentials will go along with that fiction.

    In short we are fed a huge lie which fits into the narrative and unfortunately the hypocritic nature of todays me, me society buys into it.

    Fortunately Muslims brought up in their cocoon of the superiority of Islam always over reach and they just don’t get us, or for that matter bother even trying.

    This leads to the grievous errors of over estimating their own political and social prowess and in the process diminishing ours.

    Consequently the bombast wears thin and at last people take note. After a while the insult and afront to the societies they settle in grates and the slow fuse of resentment begins.

    It’s a long haul ahead but my belief is that at last we’re talking and even msm dullards are forced by facts to report on the truth.

    In Europe anti-immigration parties swept the board in the recent EU elections and whilst some purists will quibble about the circularity of approach, it has to be done this way to ease the path, such is the strength of that damned lying politically correct narrative which backed by insane self destructive law almost clammed us all up.

    And it’s not just Europe. When Mark Steyn wrote America Alone, Obama was some unknown Illinois Senator.

    Now? Well we all know the ‘now’ of Obama and what he’s done to defang US common sense and resistance.

    Fortunately it looks like old Abe’s adage on fooling people has come to the rescue and whether all the people, some of the people, all the time or some of the time, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

    America despite the nay-sayers is a vital beacon of liberty and without that the world, as we’re seeing right now descends into chaos and anarchy with much fairly and squarely placed on the shoulders of Islam.

    Bush’s religion of peace meme whilst bombing the bejasus out of Iraq didn’t help and Obama has vastly worsened the situation by his inept and deliberate Islamophillia which has planted MB right in the heart of his regime.

    It has to be halted and I believe it will.

    America’s great heart cannot be abused in such a disgusting manner and from what I read people are waking to the threat.

    Our great ally of course is the internet and whether JW, Atlas, BNI, FSM, pajamas or the myriad of others, the message of truth is getting out there.

    Keep it up Robert.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm

      Thanks for telling your story, mate. It’s always interesting finding out how people “woke up”, how they realized what Islam was and/ or found their way to jihadwatch.

      *I* got here, and reached my present state of Islamoawareness, by a rather roundabout route, over a period of years.

      1/ Making friends (1990s) with a fan of Jacques Ellul

      and, therefore (1990s) 2/ Reading everything Jacques Ellul ever wrote, which means I read [in French; it has never been translated into English, unlike the rest of his oeuvre] his excellent book on Israel, Un Chretien Pour Israel (*that* permanently inoculated me against what Bat Yeor calls “Palestinianism)

      and, therefore, 3/ Googling Jacques Ellul some years later, to try to find out whether Un Chretien Pour Israel was in print anywhere and therefore coming across Bat Yeor’s “dhimmitude” website, at which I read Ellul’s mini-essay on Jihad that he wrote as foreword for one of her books and *then*

      4/ clicking (sometime late in 2006) on “jihadwatch” which was on the blog roll at Bat Yeor’s site; and I have been reading here ever since .

      The first specifically counter-jihad books I read were first, Bat Yeor’s “Eurabia” which – wonder of wonders – was in my local municipal library (having found her website I was looking for her *other* books, the ones on dhimmitude per se, but they didn’t have those, they just had “Eurabia”, so I read that), and then, from the local branch of Borders, before they shut down, Mr Spencer’s “The Myth of Islamic Tolerance” – which was the only book by Spencer that I have ever bought “off the shelf” in a regular bookshop, as opposed to buying online.

      I had already (?1990s) read the Koran – not sure what prompted me, but it was several years – at least – before 9/11. I knew about the apostasy law, because (being in evangelical Christian circles) I had come across, and read, two books each containing the testimony of intelligent women who had been raised in well-to-do Muslim families in Pakistan but had then converted to Christianity…both had been threatened and had to flee their families and, in the end, their country.

      Reading Ellul on Jihad, and then Eurabia, and then Spencer’s anthology “Myth of Islamic Tolerance” (excellent intro, really, since it contains for example Bat Yeor’s historical summary of the sufferings of the Copts under Muslim rule, all the way through), and *then* Spencer’s “Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades”, everything I’d already read and heard sort of “clicked” into place.

      I had also heard various things from two missionary couples the parish church I then attended was supporting – one in Pakistan, one in Indonesia, where they worked with the local Christian minorities. They had no illusions about Islam. I remember the husband of one of those couples telling me, re Islam “This kind cometh not out save by prayer and fasting”. (If one knows the context of that particular biblical verse, one realizes he was saying that for a Muslim to become Christian involves a massive spiritual upheaval that might best be described as exorcism).

    • awake says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 8:15 pm

      Same here, logdon. The P.I.G., recommended by a co-worker was life altering for me as well. As one who experienced, 9/11 up-front and in living color, Robert’s book helped put my mental conundrums about the jihad into perspective in short order.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Jun 19, 2014 at 8:39 am

        You said – “The P.I.G., recommended by a co-worker was life altering for me …”.

        And there it is, in a nutshell, the essence of the slowly but steadily building and spreading Resistance to Jihad. “Each one teach one”.

        You are here, and you know what you need to know, at least in part, perhaps largely in part, because a co-worker recommended a book to you. Simple as that.

        Let’s think of how many people have bought Mr Spencer’s books, including the P.I.G to Islam. Now, think of those people sharing those books around and recommending them to others. And then those in turn passing them on…

        I gave a copy of the “P.I.G. to Islam” to a younger brother who had shown signs of dawning awareness of the Jihad. And it didn’t just tell *him* what he needed; it woke up his wife, and his wife’s father, too. One book…three people. And who knows how many among their acquaintance, co-workers, etc., by now?

        Further observation – you say that you “experienced, 9/11 up-front and in living color”.

        I can’t recall whether you’ve ever told the story for us all, here in the forum. Have you? If not…would you feel able to tell us, sometime? Perhaps around September 11 this year, or now if you want to. I’d like to hear it. And…remember…younger people like “Curious Teenager” who was posting here a month or two ago, may not be able to *remember* 9/11 because they were only toddlers or preschoolers when it happened. They need to hear the first-hand war stories, if they lob in here, curiously lurking and reading.

  6. John C. Barile says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    What a homecoming from such a diverse crowd of people this is. The one thing we have in common is the desire to be free of totalitarian tyranny advancing under the banner of Islam and its army of slaves and hirelings.

  7. gravenimage says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    The belated dawning of awareness about jihad and the caliphate
    …………………….

    I *hope* people are finally waking up—denial still runs pretty damn deep. I worry that next we’ll be force fed the idea that the Caliphate wasn’t really all that bad…

    Here’s useful idiot Dean Esmay from a couple of years ago, sneering at the whole idea of the Caliphate:

    “Who fears the global Caliphate?”

    http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/cityofbrass/2011/02/who-fears-the-global-caliphate.html

    And remember—the Caliphate need not be fully global to do a *great deal of damage*. After all, there never was a “Thousand Year Reich”, and yet only the very stupid would then dismiss the Nazis as some sort of minor flash in the pan…

    As for Beck, I’m not sure what to say.

    Everything written here is true, and I can well see why many Anti-Jihadists are bitter. On the other hand, he is one of the very few at least semi-mainstream media figures who is talking seriously about this.

    While nothing he says is news to the Counter-Jihad, I imagine a lot of people have learned something about the Caliphate—and the threat of Islam in general—from him, and that is not a bad thing.

    I acknowledge the criticisms of him—they are all valid—yet still regard him as in aggregate an asset to the fight against Jihad, albeit an imperfect one.

  8. mortimer says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    The Leftards will not even be embarrassed by their CLUELESSNESS when the chickens come home to roost IN AMERICA with WEEKLY jihads in American shopping centers and business districts.

    Hillary is the leader of the CLUELESS about Islam.

  9. Patriot says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    Sadly many of the politicians have not yet woken up to the global Islamist threat. Check out this article for more information. http://redmillennial.com/2014/06/18/political-delusions-and-invasion-of-america/

  10. Solsticewitch13 says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    Ya know what? I have read a few articles over the past couple of days, that are saying to LET them have their Caliphate.

    Reason being,, is currently fighting these barbarians,, is more a guerrilla “type” war. They have no base, or country we can declare war on. They don’t have any “central” type organization.

    *IF* they did have a caliphate,, it would be like a country,, as country you can declare war on and bomb the hell out of.

    If we let these savages, “settle” down into this caliphate,, we would have targets like towns and cities to flatten.

    More I think about it,, more sense it does make.

    • Christopher says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 9:57 am

      I’D argue that Mecca is the ‘hq’ of Islam that should be targetted. It’s the idea which needs killing.

  11. Tallulahdahling says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    Hi, Robert.

    It’s disgusting that Beck didn’t give credit where credit is due.

    However, I can’t stand the man. He comes at things in a way that *seems* crackpotty. I’ve always felt repelled by him, and I’m glad he failed to connect you to himself, in spite of the fact that it was crummy of him.

    The fact that he didn’t credit you is perhaps a good reason to be glad that he didn’t.

    You stand very well on your own, and once a person is aware of you, it doesn’t take much to find out how long you’ve been at it and how dedicated you’ve been.

  12. Jewcat says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    I came to start questioning Islam seriously after visiting Indonesia about ten years ago. I was completely naive, mindlessly swallowed the ‘religion of peace’ meme but meeting very frightened Christians and hearing that 12 churches had recently been burned down (the hymn singers were making too much noise!!!) and talking with Muslim women in educational circles, who were scared of the “Arabisation’ of Indonesia, I slowly started to educate myself. RObert’s books were invaluable, also Bat Y’eor, Ibn Warraq, Brigitte Gabriel, Noni Darwish, Wafa Sultan and of course the incomparably brave Pam Geller to name just a few of the excellent analysts of this system all contributed to the education of not so young Jewcat. Once I’d recognised it as a totalitarian system, where the system is more important than the person, things fell very quickly into place. Islamic doctrines must be challenged, debated and discarded.

  13. Alice says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 11:02 pm

    I listen to Beck all the time. He, Hannity, and Rush were all kept apart by people who played them against each other, but now are pretty much on the same page.

    Might I suggest that you forgive Beck for not crediting you, and try to get those three into your ranks of counter-jihadists? You, Pamela, and Emerson, among others, would be a great asset to them, and to the country, and they to you, if you had a wider base. With people like Buck Sexton on The Blaze, someone who has likely heard one of you lecture, you might have a very strong coalition…

    • voegelinian says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 4:26 am

      Spencer already says in his opening piece above that it’s not about Beck not crediting him. Did you not read that?

  14. Northern Virginiastan says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    I understand that Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz al Saud is the second largest shareholder in Fox News

    • Jay Boo says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 7:22 am

      Assuming this is true, and I don’t doubt it one bit; there must be a way to rub the MSM’s face into the stink of their financial backers.

      It is time for the news media to stop digging graves to hide Islam’s shame.

  15. awake says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    Great commentary on Beck back in 2007, by Robert.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/09/playing-pretend-with-glenn-beck

  16. PRCS says

    Jun 18, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    “Beck also tries (and also fails) to avoid the same smear by regularly featuring the nation’s sole moderate Muslim spokesman, Zuhdi Jasser.

    I sent this email to Jasser’s AIFD a few weeks ago:

    “At some point, shouldn’t you tell your audience that your copy of the Qur’an reads the same as every other copy.

    Shouldn’t you tell the American public–up front–that the recent amputations of thieves’ hands in Somalia and Mali were not carried out by the “radical/radicalized” Muslims, the Muslim “extremists”, or the followers of “radical” Islam whom we are expected to believe have “perverted”, “twisted”, or “hijacked” a peaceful religion.

    Why not just tell them that Islam, as written, is antithetical to democracy and much of it is simply incompatible with the U.S. Constitution and precisely which passages from the Qur’an you wish to question, challenge, ignore or reform in your quest.

    Our fellow citizens need to know the truth.

    His co-hort, Raquel Saraswati (who later appeared on clueless Huckabee’s program a few days later) responded:

    “In brief, we at AIFD do not believe that our personal faith of Islam is antithetical to democracy, nor do we believe it is incompatible with the U.S. Constitution.”

    That from Muslim “reformers”.

    • awake says

      Jun 18, 2014 at 11:36 pm

      PRCS,

      I lol’d at your Muslim reformers comment. Awesome.

    • voegelinian says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 4:27 am

      We should never forgive Jasser for the way he treated Wafa Sultan. (That is, if we haven’t already forgotten…)

      Trust no Muslim. Is that so hard to do?

      Apparently so…

  17. QuoVadis says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 12:30 am

    “but I have heard rumors that his focus on the caliphate was a big reason why Beck lost his Fox show, as it cut against the reigning Fox/establishment GOP narrative that Islam is a Religion of Peace That Has Been Hijacked By A Tiny Minority of Extremists.”

    A Saudi prince is the second largest holder of voting stock in Fox News:

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129584557

    That explains the kid gloves Fox News has had on when dealing with Islam the past 10 years.

    • PRCS says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 12:36 am

      Let me address that; please feel free to respond.

      I don’t know if the “Saudi Prince” issue is still legitimate, but just for the sake of argument:

      Why would a Muslim, Saudi Prince allow ANY critique of Islam, then?

      • Bill C. says

        Jun 19, 2014 at 12:53 am

        Simple.

        Sunni vs. Shia.

        Been going on for 1400 years, give or take.

        Sometimes it simply depends on the disparate impact on the income inequality of the number of goats and wives.

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 19, 2014 at 4:29 am

        Wow PRCS. You still don’t get the Stealth Jihad, do you?

        • PRCS says

          Jun 19, 2014 at 11:23 am

          That’s not an answer, Hesp.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 19, 2014 at 4:50 pm

        PRCS wrote:

        I don’t know if the “Saudi Prince” issue is still legitimate, but just for the sake of argument:

        Why would a Muslim, Saudi Prince allow ANY critique of Islam, then?
        …………………………

        PRCS, even assuming he had the power, a Muslim turning the at least semi-Jihad-savvy FOXNews into Al-Jazzeera overnight would not serve Islam.

        Many people would just watch something else—CNN, or the Blaze, or even MSNBC.

        Much better from their point of view to use stealth Jihad—to slowly render certain topics—such as the Caliphate, perhaps—beyond the pale, and to put pressure on the network to edge out the more Islamo-savvy personalities, such as Beck.

        They would probably leave figures like O’Reilly alone—he can be quite critical of “Islamic extremism”, but seems to understand almost nothing about Jihad—and less than nothing about Islam itself.

        A figure like Sean Hannity would fall somewhere in between, but might be too popular to touch, in any case.

        After all, the whole purpose of stealth Jihad is to move so slowly that few notice the frog in the boiling water—and that those who do can be marginalized as cranks.

        Really, I don’t know how “hands-on” the Saudis have been able to be with FOXNews—but I *don’t* believe that their acquiring such influence in the most anti-Jihad major news network (by default, perhaps, but still) is any sort of coincidence.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 19, 2014 at 6:46 pm

          You may well be right, Philip—I’m sure you know more about how this Prince is regarded in Saudi Arabia itself.

          At the same time, we have certainly seen many cases where Muslims appear to be fairly indifferent towards Islam, then find that this is no guarantee against Jihad.

          And the Prince is involved in some serious Da’wa and Taqiyya with his Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim/Christian Understanding, which has among other things sponsored appearances by the Muslim Brotherhood.

          And a Muslim man’s being a womanizer—particularly if the women in question are Infidels—isn’t actually un-Islamic at all.

          I do believe that the recent surge of Muslims—especially Saudis and those from the gulf states—buying up or acquiring managing interest in Western businesses and institutions is a serious concern—*especially* when it comes to the media.

          This *may* just be an investment on the Prince’s part—but I’m not sure I’d want to count on that.

          Certainly, Robert Spencer considers this something of a concern:

          “Jihad? What jihad? Saudi prince meets with Rupert Murdoch to discuss ‘future potential’ alliances”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/jihad-what-jihad-saudi-prince-meets-with-rupert-murdoch-to-discuss-future-potential-alliances

          “Saudi Prince to Murdoch: jump. Murdoch to Prince: How high?”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/12/saudi-prince-to-murdoch-jump-murdoch-to-prince-how-high

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 19, 2014 at 11:41 pm

          Philip Jihadski writes:

          “The Prince you are talking about is a notorious womanizer, is in disfavor with the Sauds, rarely speaks about Islam (I have on very good sources from my days in the Kingdom) and has already apostacized [sic].”

          Aside from the silly implication that a Muslim who is a womanizer, is in disfavor with the Sauds, and rarely speaks about Islam (even if Philip Jihadski knew all this, which he would have to prove beyond his “very good sources from [his] days in the Kingdom”) is somehow less dangerous to us, he goes further to allege, on the same flimsy basis, that this Muslim in question, the most insidiously influential Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, the billionaire Saudi Arabian investor, has apostatized. (One wonders what else rubbed off on Philip Jihadski during his sojourn in “the Kingdom”.)

          A good source of essays on that Saudi snake wending his unctuously colubrine influence in American business and media is Diana West’s collection:

          http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx?Search=Talal

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 19, 2014 at 11:45 pm

          “At the same time, we have certainly seen many cases where Muslims appear to be fairly indifferent towards Islam, then find that this is no guarantee against Jihad.”

          gravenimage seems to find it perfectly unremarkable that she has to school a tried-and-true veteran of Jihad Watch on such a screamingly elementary fact of Islam-101.

  18. PRCS says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 12:37 am

    Funny.

  19. Tom W Harris says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 3:34 am

    Dear Robert,

    To paraphrase Bob Marley: Grow up, wise up.

  20. Jay Boo says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 7:37 am

    The MSM are following Obama’s don’t blame Islam & jihad policy.

    IRAQ
    Obama policy is to blame it all on Nouri al-Maliki and say the problem is merely giving Sunnis more power to deflect attention from ISIS kill-crazy sharia based (true Islam) inspired from the Qur’an. If Nouri al-Maliki actually takes Obama’s advice he will pay the sharia price after which Obama would likely claim that if only Maliki acted sooner, it would have worked.
    Kenya
    Nigeria
    Chechnya
    The list is endless ….

  21. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 8:14 am

    All that matters to me is that people wake up.

    The more, the sooner, the better. I don’t care whether some wake up later than others so long as they wake up *in time*.

    If someone turns up posting here tomorrow and they say they only “woke up” after Boston…I’m not going to waste time telling them off because they didn’t figure it out sooner. *I don’t care*, because what matters is…they’re awake *now*.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 9:03 am

      There is a wall of PC denial in the media obscuring the truth about anything to do with Islam or Muslims.

      Turkish-American Dr Oz (Mehmet Cengiz Öz ) for example
      Only now is his hyped up sales pitch being questioned. Could it be because he has a Turkish ancestry and a Muslim sounding name?
      http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/how-dr-oz-effect-has-hooked-american-consumers-n134801

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 6:19 pm

      Dumbledore’s Army wrote:

      All that matters to me is that people wake up.

      The more, the sooner, the better. I don’t care whether some wake up later than others so long as they wake up *in time*….
      ……………………………

      I *could not agree more*, DDA.

      In the 1930s, there were some—journalists, diplomats, ordinary citizens living in Europe—who tried to warn the West about Hitler and the rise of Fascism, but their warnings were usually dismissed as “alarmist” or even—grimly laughable—as “war mongering”, while all too many in Britain and America and elsewhere considered Hitler and Mussolini benign or even to be emulated.

      But finally they *did* get the word out—and then many in Allied countries either acted as though they had always been anti-Fascist, or, even worse, disparaged those early warners as “premature antifascists”.

      But so what? Yes, it must have been frustrating, but finally seeing the free world stand up to the Axis would have to be its own reward.

      If we are lucky, the situation will be the same this time. I had read enough history when I woke up to the threat of Islam myself that I knew that the standard bearers might in many cases not get their due—but for God’s sake, *consider the alternative*.

      Like Dumbledore’s Army, I welcome *anyone* who wakes up to the threat, no matter how belatedly—I even welcome those who get part way there, because they have at least taken that first step.

    • Champ says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 11:45 pm

      All that matters to me is that people wake up.

      The more, the sooner, the better. I don’t care whether some wake up later than others so long as they wake up *in time*.

      If someone turns up posting here tomorrow and they say they only “woke up” after Boston…I’m not going to waste time telling them off because they didn’t figure it out sooner. *I don’t care*, because what matters is…they’re awake *now*.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Yes, great comment, DDA!

  22. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 8:29 am

    Sorry to be pedantic, but it’s “enclaves” not “conclaves”.

  23. Jay Boo says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 8:31 am

    Nuns protest strip club
    How did the Strip club get to operate next to a convent in the first place in Obama’s Muslim friendly Chicago? Could it be that local Saudi funded Muslims are offended by nuns as they get ready for their Ramadan fanaticism?

    The MSN nbcnews article ends with a quote from the club owner,
    “This is a problem in ideology, not a law problem,”
    (So now it is about ideology)

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nuns-take-streets-protest-strip-club-n135211

    • Jay Boo says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 8:35 am

      Please, I wish to ask in advance that no Muslim or leftist trolls posing as atheists or anti-Catholics or nun hatersrespond.

  24. pennant8 says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 9:17 am

    I guess we are mostly in agreement that Fox is overall better than the rest of the MSM in covering jihad related issues, but they still have a long way to go. I think Megyn Kelly has one of the better shows on Fox but even she sometimes seems to be a little under informed, if not borderline naive about the true nature of the Islamic threat. The other night she had Oliver North on discussing the possibility of going back into Iraq, North was against it due to the fact that we don’t have a Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq. That’s an excellent point.

    Megyn made a comment that drives me up the wall every time I hear it from any media talking-heard, politician or pundit. Basically, if we don’t stop ISIS [or any other alphabet soup jihadist group anywhere in the Middle East] pretty soon they will be here in the US. Conjure up an image of rag-headed whack-jobs packed in the back of a Toyota pick-up truck waving their weapons in the air as they drive down Main Street, USA. It ain’t never gonna happen. But what Fox and the rest of the MSM never discuss is that the brethren of the pick-up truck brigade are already here. But instead of ragged clothes and scarves wrapped around their heads, and pick-up trucks for transportation, they are wearing business suits and riding in limo’s as they travel back and forth doing their infiltration business at DHS, the Pentagon, FBI and Capitol Hill. These well groomed jihadist have already done more damage to our national security than al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and all the rest could even dream about.

    • somehistory says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 2:14 pm

      Anyone who doubts that this is so should read: “Snakes In Suits” by Paul Babiak, Ph.D. & Robert D. Hare, Ph.D. (2006)
      It was not written to be about this issue (caliphate/jihad), but many parts of it certainly fit as it goes into much detail about how people hide what they are and engage in “Psychopathic Manipulation” (chapter 4).

      Constantly qualifying the threat by putting certain adjectives before each important word is not much help for those who are uninformed. For those informed, it is frustrating to hear.
      Once, I listened to different ones speaking on the subject of islam, terrorism, etc. and to their “expert guests,” but no longer can I sit and listen as the truth gets buried in the adjectives, like the jihadists in this country are covered in “suits” to hide the terrorist ties.

  25. AnneM says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 10:08 am

    A correction is in order.

    First, southern Sudan is now an independent country. Second, look for ISIS to overplay its hand if and when they try to attack Israel. Remember they have arms in the basement.

  26. gravenimage says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Bill C.—with respect, I think I found a glitch in your figures. You note that half the population would have an IQ below 100, which is more or less accurate (in the civilized world, at least).

    Later, you cite that figure as half having an IQ *below 70*, rather than 100. That’s actually quite a difference. A person with an IQ below 100 may be limited in many ways, but he would *not* be mentally retarded. He might, indeed, be quite rational.

    I don’t believe that half the world’s population can be considered mentally retarded.

    But I do believe, with you, that intelligence *is* a factor—and certainly Muslim countries consistently score very low on IQ tests—this should not surprise.

    But more significant than innate intelligence, I believe, is how that intelligence is used, and to what extent it is used. And that comes down to philosophy.

    I am using the term “philosophy” in the broadest possible sense here—religion, creed, beliefs, ideology, world view, values, and sense of life. Under Islam, the rational mind is despised, education (except for the rote indoctrination of the Madrassa) is discouraged, and rage and other dark emotions are favored over the use of reason.

    That has a negative effect even on the most natively intelligent people. Certainly, we’ve seen apostates—like Ayaan Hirsi Ali—who seem to gain IQ points virtually overnight when they jettison the mental shackles of Islam.

    Ideology can even have a negative effect in places where intelligence is (superficially, at least) quite valued—there are many intelligent, well-educated people in the West who nonetheless willfully refuse to recognize the terrible threat of Islam, because it would violate their “politically correct” view of the world.

    They have had to bend themselves into increasingly convoluted pretzels in order to avoid acknowledging what Islam truly is—but many of them would rather endlessly violate reason rather than draw the obvious conclusions from the growing proof of the threat we face from Jihad and Shari’ah.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Jun 30, 2014 at 2:19 am

      Coming in very late here, but a propos your excellent observation

      “Ideology can even have a negative effect in places where intelligence is (superficially, at least) quite valued—there are many intelligent, well-educated people in the West who nonetheless willfully refuse to recognize the terrible threat of Islam, because it would violate their “politically correct” view of the world.”

      Yes. Exactly.

      In fact, French sociologist Jacques Ellul, whose book “Propaganda: The Formation of Men’s Attitudes” (original French title “Propagandes”) is one of the definitive studies of propaganda, says – either in that book, or in another – that it is *intellectuals* who are more peculiarly vulnerable to certain types of propaganda, than the less educated.

  27. gfmucci says

    Jun 19, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    I like Beck and really hate to make the connection, but Beck’s Mormon faith informs much of his reticence to criticise Islam.

    A couple of young Mormon missionaries visited us recently. I initiated a discussion, rather one sided, informing them that a huge negative in my mind about Mormonism is their their ignorance of or silence about Islamic doctrine and the scorched earth policy that that evil has perpetuated for centuries. It is all Kum by Yah with Mormons toward Islam due to their perceived commonalities pertaining to the mutual “persecutions”, their relatively recent “prophets”, their post Bible revealed “holy books” and other similarities. These missionaries excused speaking the painful truth of Islam by saying it is part of their faith to not speak evil of any other religion. How sad. They take “do not judge” to the misinterpreted suicidal extreme. Refer to “the frog and the scorpion.”

    • Champ ✞ says

      Jun 19, 2014 at 10:37 pm

      These missionaries excused speaking the painful truth of Islam by saying it is part of their faith to not speak evil of any other religion.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Hmm, that is odd. My Christian faith teaches me to be sincere by telling the truth, hate what is evil (islam), and cling to what is good:

      “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9

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