It seems ludicrous at first glance: a gang of Muslims thrashing a non-Muslim bloody while pausing to hand out pro-Muslim leaflets. Ordinarily, one would think that it would have crossed their minds that they weren’t exactly presenting an attractive picture of Islam by punching, kicking, and hitting someone with a crutch — but then it all starts to make sense. They were illustrating Muhammad’s statement: As Muhammad said, “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.” (Sahih Muslim 30) So the passersby could see: if they wanted their property and lives to be protected, they needed to convert to Islam forthwith.
“Luton Muslims [sic] preachers, including ringleader Abu Aziz, face jail after being found guilty of affray at the Old Bailey,” by Julia Sutton, Luton & Dunstable Express, June 19, 2014 (thanks to Halal Pork Shop):
A gang of devout Luton Muslims who chanted ‘f**k the Queen’ after battering an innocent football fan to the ground and leaving him covered in blood are facing jail.
Andrew White was set upon by ten Asian men as he walked along Oxford Street in London’s West End.He was hit on the back of the head by ringleader Abu Rahin Aziz, 32, of Hazelbury Crescent, Luton, and punched, kicked, and struck with a crutch as he lay prone on the ground.
When the Muslim group shouted ‘F*ck the Queen’ as Mr White lay bleeding on the ground, football supporters responded by singing the national anthem, the Old Bailey heard.
The gang had cleared the area of Asian women and children before the attack, and handed out pro-Muslim leaflets as the violence was happening.
Qadeer Ahmed, 29, of Althorp Road, Luton; Naseer Khan, 31, of Milfield Road, Luton; Munim Abdul, 33, of Hampton Road, Luton; Jalal Ahmed, 26, of Cavendish Road, Luton; Yousef Bashir, 34 of Dane Road, Luton; Rajib Khan, 36, of Vestry Close, Luton; Moshiur Rahman, 32, of Dane Road, Luton; Mohan Uddin, 36, of Trinity Road, Luton, and Kamran Khan, 29, of Wodecroft Road, Luton, have all admitted affray.
Aziz, an associate of firebrand cleric Anjem Choudary, fled the UK before his trial and is thought to have joined jihadists in Syria.
He denied affray but the jury took just over two hours to convict him of affray in his absence.
Judge Paul Worslsey QC said the attack linked to another bout of disorder a week earlier.
Kamran Khan and Mohan Uddin were both convicted last month of sectarian violence by Sunni Muslims against a rival Shia sect of Islam in Edgware Road at a protest march led by Anjem Choudary.
The pair were in the dock alongside Mohammed Ishtiaq Alamgir, 34, Mirza Ali, 39, and white Muslim convert Jordan Horner, 20, a member of the so-called ‘Muslim Patrol’.
All those involved in both outbreaks of violence are due to be sentenced on Friday.
The trial heard Mr White had been watching the Northampton Town v Bradford City League Two playoff final on May 18 last year, and was on his way with friends to the City of Quebec pub in Old Quebec Street.
Aziz and his pals were manning a Dawah stall outside Top Shop and picked out Mr White as the victim of a pre-planned attack.
Aziz landed the initial blow before Qadeer Ahmed launched himself at Mr White, battering him on the ground using his hands and feet.
Bashir handed his crutch to Uddin and began raining down blows on the football fan, said prosecutor Will Hays.
Kamran Khan also took part in the fight before harassing a group of horrified passers-by outside Top Shop.
Mohammed Khan ran into the melee and kicked and stamped on Mr White as he lay helpless on the ground.
Uddin, now armed with Bashir’s crutch, used it to strike the victim when he was on the floor.
‘Eventually the victim was able to roll out of the group, but remained on the ground, abandoned by the group and bleeding from his head and his mouth’, added Mr Hays.
Members of the public administered first aid before an ambulance crew arrived.
Mr Hays said a protest had been held the same day outside the US embassy in Grovesor Square, central London, by Muslims railing against US foreign policy….
pdxnag says
Here’s a puzzle. Was the attack premeditated?
JIMJFOX says
“Aziz and his pals were manning a Dawah stall outside Top Shop and picked out Mr White as the victim of a pre-planned attack.”
Can’t you READ???
mortimer says
The real puzzle for the Leftards is how this man could misunderstand JIHAD as VIOLENCE when all Leftards know jihad is floral arrangement (!)
kikorikid says
The “football fans” sang?
You Brits better put on your big boy pants before you go
out to play with the Islamist. I’m sure they enjoyed the song just
as I’m sure Boko Harom enjoyed the Tweet from Michelle.
Arm yourself! Cricket bats, hammers, staffs, batons…etc get a
effin clue there or get your ass handed to you every time.
Oh! I forgot. We Colonist don’t have anything worth listening too.
mortimer says
The Brits will soon start to arm themselves against such barbarians.
So…no more ‘religion of peace’ nonsense…Muslims have dropped that mask.
Charli Main says
Ah, come on now Mortimer !!!
These are just some of the “few” Muslims that have misunderstood and misinterpreted the Koran.
Don´t you know that 99.999% of Muslims living in Britain are “moderate” and “peaceful” love you and wouldn´t hurt a fly.
Remember to describe these Muslims as “radical” and not just Muslims. If you do, it will allow all the ” moderate” Muslims to play the ” Muslim victim card”
( tongue now taken out of cheek )
mortimer says
65% of all Muslims want Sharia law under a caliphate…this is normative Sunni Islam of the OVERWHELMING majority.
A caliphate can only be established through violence! So 65% of Muslims support revolutionary, Islamic violence to impose dictatorship.
So much for ‘moderation’. The word is a sign that the speaker who says ‘moderate’ Muslim is clueless.
Charli Main says
” the word is a sign that the speaker who says ” moderate” Muslim is clueless”
Now that is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth sans dhimmni bullshit.
voegelinian says
How about “radicalized” Muslim? Is that also a clue as to the cluelessness of the speaker?
tpellow says
The Islamic intimidation and violence in U.K (as reported above), is being inflicted on British indigenous people, when the percentage of Muslims there is about 5%.
The future of U.K society is grim, and its political class STILL campaigns for mass immigration from Islamic countries, and STILL campaigns for 80 million Turkish Muslims to enter E.U.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
They dropped the mask almost 1,400 yrs ago in Yathrib. It’s been pretty hard not to see what they are. But infidels close their eyes and scrunch their faces and try so hard to imagine herds of smiling Unicorns, so they’re not seeing the Moslem too clearly. Remember, there was a reason Tim Russert used the term Holy Prophet on Sunday morning. Ibrahim was at the table, wearing his white cap, and he was scowling. Nobody recognize what was going on there, either.
gravenimage says
Alarmed Pig Farmer wrote:
Remember, there was a reason Tim Russert used the term Holy Prophet on Sunday morning…
………………………………..
Uh, didn’t Russert die in 2008, APF? Is he practising dhimmitude from beyond the grave?
Jay Boo says
Nazi-Islamism —
Islamists shout “God is greatest,” like a “Heil Hitler” praise.
Their upturned hands display, same as a Nazi stiff arm parade.
Prayer rug thugs, like SA brown shirts try to impose untruth.
Exaggerated bows are as pretentious as the steps of a goose.
Honor killing death squad,
Adolph would be so proud.
Islamic religious police are just Sharia’s godless Gestapo.
Lock-step bootlick lunatics: Ditto
voegelinian says
“Islamists”…? What’s that? I know what Muslims are. Don’t know what “Islamists” are, except an artificial category created by Westerners anxious to avoid tarring all Muslims with the same brush.
shrugger says
I prefer Mohammadans myself.
John C. Barile says
Islamists are Muslims who advance Islam in the political sphere. I prefer “Islamizers,” you know, those observant Muslims who really, really do try to enjoin what Allah what enjoins and forbid what Allah forbids universally.
The True Believer, you know.
John C. Barile says
Correction: “try to enjoin what Allah enjoins and forbid what Allah forbids . . . .”
voegelinian says
Stealth Muslims are Muslims who don’t appear to be “advancing Islam in the political sphere”. Beyond Stealth Muslims, are the rest of Muslims, who enable the advancement of Islam, which is essentially and massively political already.
I.e., your careful distinctions are artificial, inaccurate, and not only not useful, but positively harmful.
John C. Barile says
An Islamist is an Islamizer. He’s not confining himself to his ghettos or his mosque; he acts openly or covertly, trying to gain access to and influence over levers of power throughout Dar al-Harb.
Jay Boo says
@voegelinian
Islamists is not my favorite word either however,
That is the best you can do is to take issue with the word ‘Islamists’ and ignore the rest.
The expression ‘Radical Islam’ is used to “avoid tarring all Muslims (and Islam) with the same brush.”
‘Islamists’ merely distinguishes between the person actively engaged in forcing Islam on others.
Islam is the ‘ideology’
Muslim is the ‘person’ adult or child.
Your careful over-generalizations
“are artificial, inaccurate, and not only not useful, but positively harmful.”
They allow Islam apologists to hide Islam in their favorite hiding place behind victimhood.
kikorikid says
I think us “Bloody Yanks” are going to have great sport
demonstrating ,to you, how to handle “Sharia Compliance Patrols”,
NO-GO Zones, and other “Sharia Compliance” demands.
I know its not universal but those in the UK seems to have accepted
their “Dhimmitude” role. Every time you look into a mirror you should
feel nothing but shame.
Jay Boo says
Islam Propaganda centers
http://www.dawahstall.com/
Wich says
I think these trials are nothing to make islam peaceful. The government of the UK is propping Muslims to become as assertive as they would be. Today in the new library of Birmingham they have two mini mosques, one for women and another for men. And sometimes call for prayer can disturb people studying just outside these ‘meditation rooms’.
Surprisingly, there’s no prayer rooms for Christians in that same library! It won’t be surprising either when people using these mosques in the library attack anyone complaining of their disturbances in the library.
Charlie Griffith says
It seems we have a similarly nasty situation over here….I don’t know about current Birmingham, Alabama but I do know about Frederick County, Maryland where we managed to prevent the establishment and building of something to be called an East Coast Coast Muslim Center by pointing out the horrendous traffic and parking problems which would be the natural accompaniment.
There is here in America a running propaganda effort eagerly encouraged by our C.A.I.R. and A.C.L.U. who leap out and cry-shout, “Racism!” and “Prejudice!” at every potential opportunity.
Those two words have a special resonance over here because of our history with the Negro, becoming more violent with the liberalism of the 1960’s and the Civil Rights Movement.
So, our enemy Muslims resident here, some of them pocketing United States citizenship papers which I have always maintained are mere travel documents of convenience and no indicators of loyalty. leap onto this same bandwagon.
The blame for this circular self feeding contemporary circus [minus the lions] should be placed squarely in the laps of all of the politicians who’re so hungry for votes-votes-votes.
Hence the metastasizing tumor named “political correctness”.
John C. Barile says
Uh, Mr. Griffith, Wich must surely mean Birmingham, England–in the United Kingdom. Not Birmingham, Alabama in the United States. I think that’s an oversight worth pointing out–because of the First Amendment here in America, which forbids establishment of any sect.
Charlie Griffith says
Heh, heh….My mild sarcasm misled you. Please accept my apologies. I was playing with words.
Wordplay with British and American place names has probably been going on ever since 1607 in Virgin-ia. [and, “Tea Party ” days since that first dramatic one in Boston Harbor, but the point of dumping bales of perfectly good Twinning’s {?} tea into Boston Harbor has been long lost.]
Allusions such as those fly over folks’ heads because they’ve never read much History. They’ve become “irrelevant”. That’s another very fertile subject, maybe later.
Of course Birmingham, England was what Wich had in mind.
We could have some more fun playing around with “established”, as in you and I “establishing” a Druid chapter in Mormon Utah……my, oh, my…….
Charlie Griffith says
Of course Wich meant “B’ham. England.
Apologies, my bland sarcasm was missed. Wordplay with British and Ameddican (sic) place names has probably been going on over here since 1607 in Virgin – ia.
We’ve probably got more sects “established” over here and flourishing than most places on earth. But mentioning “sects” you must’ve meant Established as in Government Established.
You and I could stir up some controversy in Mormon Utah by our “establishing” a sect of Druidism among two or so well placed buttes out there and watching the sunrise equinox….what is is it, June 22?……too late this year, maybe 2015-16.
kikorikid says
Yeah, nothing like this is happening in Birmingham, AL.
It will happen at least once but a return engagement
is unlikely. In fact, I invite Islamist to try to set up a
NO-GO Zone anywhere in the Great State of Alabama.
Or a “Sharia Compliance Patrol” God! What fun!
kikorikid says
Yeah, nothing like this is happening in Birmingham, AL.
It will happen at least once but a return engagement
is unlikely. In fact, I invite Islamist to try to set up a
NO-GO Zone anywhere in the Great State of Alabama.
Or a “Sharia Compliance Patrol” God! What fun!
John C. Barile says
Sorry I missed the subtle [sarc], C.G.
Jay Boo says
John you were right about C. G. the first time
and more
@Charlie Griffith
This slime ball race-baiting genocide instigating troll said
“Those two words have a special resonance over here because of our history with the Negro”
Heh, heh….My mild sarcasm misled you. Please accept my apologies. I was playing with words.
Of course Wich meant “B’ham. England.
HE DOESN’T OWN UP TO HIS DECIEPT
and throws out Tea Party as if to be clever
AND also suggested genocide of Muslims on the Petraeus thread
gravenimage says
My mother was born in Birmingham, Wich—long before anyone would have believed that Mohammedans could have largely taken over the midlands.
Peter Buckley says
The article says they were “devout”. Can we get a quote from a “moderate” muslim on how it is those muslims who follow their religion most closely, seem the most violent?
http://www.muslimsdebate.com/n.php?nid=4157
Charlie Griffith says
No, we can’t get such a quote from a “moderate” Muslim because they are so cowed by their throat-slitting “brothers”.
I maintain that there is no such thing as a “moderate Muslim” who reads and is influenced by their Koran. How could there be? Here again, it’s this hypocrisy-laden “political correctness”. It’s a self feeding dilemma which can be the ruination of all of what we used to know as our America.
We’re in for a centuries-long war to defend ourselves against Muslims, so called “moderates” included. They’re expert at infiltration and subversion.
We should heed the lessons of Communist subversion starting about the 1920’s or so, at least here in America, but no, we won’t because no one reads History, it’s “so yesterday”.
One helluva mess.
duh_swami says
Fighting off ten guys is hard and dangerous work. Cowards always prefer to attack with numbers. Around here there are no Mahoundian hordes or gangs, but we do have punks, violent druggies, tweakers, and something the police call ‘transients’…When I go to town, I always carry legal hand weapons, just in case.
I may be almost as old as Methuselah, but I have a surprise or two for any ‘transients’ that may want to demand spare change, or else… I still can’t beat city hall, but I can definitely bust some windows and ruin the paint job…
My advice is that if you live in an area where ‘transients’ may attack you, carry some kind of legal hand weapon. Use the internet for ideas.. The idea is not to beat up the attacker, but surprise him, overwhelm him, discourage him, and escape from him/them…
That works well when there are one, even three, but if there are ten, you need a more substantial weapon or prepare to take your lumps…Allah willing, and he always is, unless you are prepared…Always be prepared….
tpellow says
“‘I disown my sons.
If they come back alive, they should go to jail’: Father’s fury after British medical student, 20 and his 17-year-old brother go to fight jihad and appear in chilling ISIS recruitment video.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663558/ISIS-releases-chilling-recruitment-video-featuring-young-British-men.html#ixzz35GgtwcHm
BC says
When the Muslim group shouted ‘F*ck the Queen’ as Mr White lay bleeding on the ground, football supporters responded by singing the national anthem, the Old Bailey heard.
If there were some supporters present why did they not intervene and rescue the victim?
These valiant Muslim fighters only attck when they are superior in numbers and the victim is unarmed and helpless
eib says
Because the “supporters” were arrogant enough to think of the nation their government had forgotten, and were not compassionate enough to act against the suffering of White.
A good picture of a society that has abandoned Christianity.
The supporters resemble more the Muslims than the historical Christian European identity.
Richie says
How long before muslims demand the banning of the English flag?
John C. Barile says
You mean the Cross of Saint George? As I understand the thing, If I were to wave it pointedly in a crowd of UK Muslims, they would tear it from me, then file a complaint with the constabulary that I was inciting hate and communal strife. What might you Britons say about it?
sootys mum says
Islam is an ideology of hatred and is incompatible with the UN Convention of Human Rights as clearly stated on several occasions by the EU Court of Human Rights. Unfortunately, the court recommended not enforcing their decisions in the interests of public safety – says it all.
Obama and other Muslims to prove that Islam is a religion of peace quote Surah 5.32 – This verse explicitly forbids murder: It relates only to the people of the book, i.e. the Jews, it is not an instruction for Muslims. For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
Please follow this link to the religion of peace website which explains the 109 verses that call Muslims to war against the non-believers – kuffirs. Muslims are required to kill, convert or force us to pay jizya which is a tax to enable us to live under their rule! http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
Muslims have come to the UK to breed and live on benefits while they learn jihad, they regard the benefits system as jizya (see above). There are many good decent people who are also Muslim but the vast majority do not speak out nor do they report Islamists and that offers support to those like this gang.
georgina says
Affray? Whatever happen to the good old British GBH?
Charlie Griffith says
Someone very prominent in U.K. academia and or politics, Labor and Conservative, very badly needs to explain why Britain has become so widely subverted and infiltrated by these Muslim butchers after all of the British experience in dealing and fighting Muslims, especially all during the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Their Whitehall must have sagging shelves of bulging file folders on the subject. Whole warehouses of first-hand, literally hands-on experience with these troublesome Muslims.
Let this be a lesson to us Americans that short sighted political correctness is simply a social and cultural and political and commercial disaster in waiting.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
What we have here is over enthusiasm. These guys were trying hard to make their point, and the dude didn’t get it. So it was time for an exclamation point. They are to be acknowledged as true Moslems.
judi says
“Aziz and his pals were manning a dawah stall outside Top Shop”.
Firstly, how come they were allowed to do this in the heart of the West End, and secondly, is it just a coincidence that Top Shop is owned by entrepreneur Philip Green who just happens to be Jewish?
PJG says
What I found interesting was the use of the word “dawah” as if it needed no explanation. I wonder how many Islamic terms have entered the lexicon in England.
Yesterday the letters section of our national newspaper was abrim with excellent letters about Islam. I was struck by how much the writers (all with Anglo-Saxon names) knew, whereas a few years ago one was considered most peculiar to even WANT to know anything about Islam.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes.
I am seeing the same.
Lots of places.
And not only in “the West”. In the comments to English-language news outlets in places like the Philippines, Thailand, India.
Word *is* spreading. People *are* figuring it out. Knowledge is more widespread than it was two years ago, five years ago, seven years ago.
David says
This was the old classic in action: “Islam is a religion of peace, & we will kill/bash anyone who says it is not”.
Charlie Griffith says
Excellent!
Nice example of Muslim hypocrisy.
Sonia says
The true peace within muslims is ‘freeing itself.
Every nation in the world is condemning ‘the true face’ of Muslims, and theirf dead halal Islam.
White Hunter says
Was Andrew White doing something really offensive, maybe even criminal–like quoting Churchill on the true nature of mohammedism? If so, the mohammedans were merely defending their “religion” from “attack,” which would of course be not only understandable, but justified and legal. [SARC OFF]
Undaunted says
“…a group of horrified passers-by outside Top Shop.”
Horrified. Really? They walked by or stood there and did NOTHING. Wow.
Brits, you deserve what you’re getting. That goes for all the cowards out there, no matter which flag one furls. You deserve every frightened step you must take as you shuffle down the street; each and every punch, every kick, every nick and cut.
Man up. Fight these fuckers where they stand.
Mirren10 says
“…a group of horrified passers-by outside Top Shop.”
Horrified. Really? They walked by or stood there and did NOTHING. Wow.”
I totally agree with you on that, Undaunted. What sort of people just stand and watch when that sort of thing is going on ? And the football supporters who did nothing, just **sang the National Anthem** !! Dear God.
The exact same thing happened when Lee Rigby was butchered in the street. If you look at the mobile phone video taken at the time, you will see people just walking past, totally ignoring that monster with bloody hands and a cleaver, and Lee Rigby’s body lying in the road.
I’m a sixty-two year old woman, and none too steady on my feet, but I hope and pray if I’m ever confronted with anything like that, I will wade in with my walking stick.
I’m going to start carrying a packet of black pepper in my hand bag.
Undaunted says
Hey, just grab one of ’em by that cute little beard they all seem to have and slam his head into the closest, hardest surface you can find right away, like a sidewalk or a brick wall. Keep slamming that head into the cement until they stop fighting. If it’s a Muslimah, pull her scarf off and grab her hair. Slam that head into hard stuff, too.
It’s easy. You just gotta want to survive.
Uri says
Ham Sandwhich
Mirren10 says
@ voegelinian:
You said, quoting John C. Barile;
”Stealth Muslims are Muslims who don’t appear to be “advancing Islam in the political sphere”. Beyond Stealth Muslims, are the rest of Muslims, who enable the advancement of Islam, which is essentially and massively political already.
I.e., your careful distinctions are artificial, inaccurate, and not only not useful, but positively harmful”
I think John was being sarcastic, or ironic. He will correct me if I am wrong.
John C. Barile says
Dear Mirren, if my distinctions are indeed careful ones, how can they thus be inaccurate? Voeg means strained or forced; not careful.
Islam in the political sphere is known as Islamism, a term that is not of my own devising. I make no distinction here between Islamist and Islamizer.
I do make a distinction that Voeg doesn’t like, between Muslimas a noun in its broadest sense, and Islamist Muslim, or Islamizer–a proponent of Islamic supremacy, encompassing all facets of human existence.
John C. Barile says
Correction: “muslim as,” not “muslimas.”
John C. Barile says
I’m content to fight the determined, professedly Islamizing Muslims–not the bulk of them who are, perhaps, only latently so.
John C. Barile says
Note that I did say “latently,” not “stealthily.”
Charlie Griffith says
Careful with your distinctions, they can come up from behind (!) and bite you in the a$$.
John C. Barile says
I am equipped with the latest in taqquiya sensors, Charlie; yessiree.
voegelinian says
A person can be carefully attentive to details while constructing an interpretation; meanwhile some or all of the details he is carefully attentive to and employing for his interpretation can be inaccurate; or the interpretive synthesis of the details can be inaccurate. Yet great care could have been taken nonetheless. If one believes that the complex taxonomy of Homo mohammedensis is relevant to our ability to tell the difference between harmless Muslims and dangerous Muslims, and if one feels the problem Islam is causing the world is of utmost exigency, one will be motivated to carefully attend to the details of that taxonomy and figure out ways to assign the different types of Muslim to either the Harmless or the Dangerous category (with perhaps also a spectrum of gradations between).
One example out of likely thousands over the years of the failure of such a taxonomy was the ghastly tragedy that occurred on December 30, 2009, in Khost, Afghanistan, and it could well symbolize a microcosm of our entire global problem with Muslims and our continuing vulnerability to their deadly fanaticism — a vulnerability disastrously augmented by our tendency to put into practice our anxious need to believe in the pragmatic existence of the Harmless Muslim (and the disaster continues to escalate out of control, like a horrible train wreck in protracted slow-mo that will likely go on another few decades resulting in millions of us getting mass-murdered by Muslims, if our misplaced carefulness continues to be put into practice).
I’ll quote from the clinically unemotional report from the Washington Post (a report mainly dealing with the horrifying fact that the CIA’s head of counter-terrorism had converted to Islam) concerning what it describes as “one of the agency’s most tragic events”:
…the deaths of seven CIA employees at the hands of a suicide bomber who was invited to a meeting at a CIA base in Khost, Afghanistan, in December 2009.
An internal review concluded that the assailant, a Jordanian double-agent who promised breakthrough intelligence on al-Qaeda leaders, had not been fully vetted…
It also should be noted that this Jordanian “double-agent” was a medical doctor and, of course, in a video recorded shortly before he resolved to martyr himself through mass-murder, he praised Allah for this “windfall” — as he had not expected until late in his planning that there would be CIA agents present.
Good God, if even agents in a CIA compound — described by the AP report as a “secretive eastern Afghan CIA base… used as a key outpost in the effort to identify and target terror leaders”, in a war zone no less! — are so gullible as to trust a Muslim as an ally (for which naive trust they paid with their gruesomely murdered lives), no wonder the West at large continues to behave so asininely with regard to Muslims.
And, to put a human face on this tragicomic atrocity, here’s a photo of one of the CIA agents murdered by that trusted Muslim — one Jennifer Matthews, with her little children at home.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/01/19/Local-Enterprise/Images/CIA001c%20.jpg
It’s not likely that this terrible tragedy was the result of sloppiness, to lack of care, on the part of the CIA agents involved (and perhaps also some higher-ups in the chain of command); but rather to a grievously faulty premise guiding their interpretation of the data which they — routinely and unremarkably as part of their training — carefully analyze and put into practice.
Jay Boo says
@voegelinian
Step 1 What a long-winded load of BS to obscure a classic voeg set-up
Step 2 A self righteous straw man come back
Step 3 Too bad Charlie — I’m not batting this tainted bait.
Jay Boo says
not biting
Jay Boo says
@Philip Jihadski
After that first pretentious paragraph of voegelinian, I could take no more.
Charlie Griffith says
Re:
” …….. but rather to a grievously faulty premise guiding their interpretation of the data which they — routinely and unremarkably as part of their training — carefully analyze and put into practice.”
Bingo.
I’ve posted elsewhere that we mustn’t smirk at Kipling’s “East is East and West is West……” because he seems to’ve recognized that we in the West, and I emphasize we Americans in particular with an ocean off of both coasts, simply aren’t wired the same was as Asians, and remember that Asia starts at the Bosphorus and Dardanelles.
We Americans simply don’t do “devious” and “knife in the back” as suavely as they do where we’re now so unfortunately entangled. We seem to be clumsy at “devious”. I mean that as a distinct compliment. The conduct of the Maliki’s and the Karzai’s, among others, is something we don’t understand too well, but we’re learning the hard way, very, very bloodily.
That’s why “isolation” is becoming mentioned more frequently here in America as better serving America’s interests. We have a huge problem with our permissive Muslim infiltration and subversion which the Obama “administration” seems to be encouraging in their vote seeking…… multiculturalism….. and all that.
For some interesting background, suggested reading is Daniel Henninger’s “Take This Job and Shove It” from the Wall Street Journal of March 7, 2003.
Pasted from Google:
“anti-anti-Americanism – Anti-Anti-Americanism.com
http://www.anti-anti-americanism.com/blog/anti-anti-americanism/
Searching for a name I have been inspired by two articles. The first one is an article by Daniel Henninger “Will the U.S. tell the world to take this job and shove it?”
The specific “job” here is the assumption that we’re the World’s policemen. [ A very fertile subject for some other time and place.]
Jay Boo says
Charlie Griffith
Very analytical
Your writing style is eerily similar to another commenter on this site except with less use of five syllable words.
It must be a Birmingham thing
And let me not forget the pretentious reply earlier of:
“Allusions such as those fly over folks’ heads because they’ve never read much History. They’ve become “irrelevant”. That’s another very fertile subject, maybe later”
dumbledoresarmy says
You seem to be conflating “Asian” with “Muslim”.
What are you going to do about all those millions and millions of Chinese and South Korean and Filipino **Christians**? And all those *Indian* Christians? – some of whom have been practising the faith steadfastly since the 2nd century…that is, since *before* your and my pagan northwest European ancestors were converted…by messengers who came from the *East*.
Never, never, never forget where Christianity began.
Because it was most assuredly born “east of the Bosphorus”.
WE – we of northwestern Europe – did not write the Bible that has so profoundly shaped our societies and our civilisation. The *Jews* did that (see Tom Cahill, The Gifts of the Jews, for more).
If “Asia” begins at the Bosphorus, then what do you do with the House of Israel? Where do you place the – NON-Indo-European in origin and indeed sui generis – faith of Israel, without which Christianity would never have existed. Christianity was born as an “Asian” religion – it was viewed as such, very sniffily, by many a staunch Roman pagan aristocrat – and it would still *be* such – *as well as* a “western” religion – if Islam had never been spawned. The tragedy of Christendom is that it was split in two by the rise of Islam and then its eastern half was almost annihilated.
shrugger says
Very humorous, That really made my day. Thanks so much for sharing it.
Think I’ll become an Anti-Anti-American as well. =)
gravenimage says
And how many times have we seen this? Westerners seem compelled over and over again to trust Muslims under the dodgiest of circumstances—with the grimly predictable outcome of dead servicemen, dead consultants, dead doctors, dead aid workers—on and on.
We have seen this over and over again just in Afghanistan, as our supposed Muslim “allies” turn on us on a regular basis. Many of those stories have been covered here at Jihad Watch.
Richie says
Odd are they will get a very light sentence, in the name of ‘community cohesion’
BW022 says
How many times have people railed against even mentioning “Muslim” during a violent attack for fear of tarring all Muslims — even though they may say “Muslim extremists” or “radical Muslim”?
Yet…
The story only refers to there as “Asian” men? 1.4 billion Chinese, 1.3 billion Indians, etc., etc. A total of 4.3 billion (61% of the worlds population) gets tarred.
When describing a group isn’t the idea to use the term which encapsulates what is most common among the group which includes the fewest other non-members to the group? Something which is least usual about them? Yet… instead of tarring 1.5B Muslims, you tar 4.3B Asians?
Why aren’t the Chinese, Russia, Hindu, Philippian, etc. immigrants in the UK saying… “Hey… stop tarring us. If you want to say Asian… say Muslim-Asian and stop tarring the 3.5B non-Muslims on the planet.”
Charlie Griffith says
Good one!………that’s the very definition of “political correctness”…..tar (!) all Asians, equal opportunity, so no particular area of that vast continent is stigmatized. Mustn’t hurt any single group or their feelings. There’s a fine line lurking that when crossed becomes plain ol’ silliness. That’s what we’ve got too much of here in America.
Edward Cline says
“When the Muslim group shouted ‘F*ck the Queen’ as Mr White lay bleeding on the ground, football supporters responded by singing the national anthem, the Old Bailey heard.” I don’t get it. Didn’t any of the “football supporters” go to White’s rescue?
gravenimage says
UK: Muslims face jail after beating non-Muslim while handing out Islamic tracts
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Supremacist Muslims are now so emboldened that they are dispensing with Taqiyya and going straight for intimidation and violence.
More:
Aziz, an associate of firebrand cleric Anjem Choudary, fled the UK before his trial and is thought to have joined jihadists in Syria.
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Why the hell was he out on bail? Surely the British authorities must have realized he was a flight risk?
More:
Judge Paul Worslsey QC said the attack linked to another bout of disorder a week earlier.
Kamran Khan and Mohan Uddin were both convicted last month of sectarian violence by Sunni Muslims against a rival Shia sect of Islam in Edgware Road at a protest march led by Anjem Choudary.
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On an earlier thread, a commenter wondered why we should be concerned about internecine Muslim violence—even on the streets of Britain. I noted that it was entirely unlikely that the violence would remain Muslim-on-Muslim. This just proves it.
More:
The pair were in the dock alongside Mohammed Ishtiaq Alamgir, 34, Mirza Ali, 39, and white Muslim convert Jordan Horner, 20, a member of the so-called ‘Muslim Patrol’.
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Yet more proof that “reverts” are every bit as savage as their born-to-Islam coreligionists.
And note that “Muslim Patrol”—that would be an ad-hoc “Religious Police”, enforcing Shari’ah norms on Mohammedans and Infidels alike—and backing it up with violence.
More:
Aziz and his pals were manning a Dawah stall outside Top Shop and picked out Mr White as the victim of a pre-planned attack.
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So—there wasn’t even any “incitement”—it’s not as though Mr. White called then on their Da’wa bs or was wearing a “Support Our Troops” t-shirt *or anything*. He was just an Infidel, and that was enough…
More:
Aziz landed the initial blow before Qadeer Ahmed launched himself at Mr White, battering him on the ground using his hands and feet.
Bashir handed his crutch to Uddin and began raining down blows on the football fan, said prosecutor Will Hays.
Uddin, now armed with Bashir’s crutch, used it to strike the victim when he was on the floor.
Kamran Khan also took part in the fight before harassing a group of horrified passers-by outside Top Shop.
Mohammed Khan ran into the melee and kicked and stamped on Mr White as he lay helpless on the ground…
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The usual—not just a sneak attack, but a whole gang against one victim.
And in what way is this a *fight*? This is an unprovoked attack, and nothing else.
More:
‘Eventually the victim was able to roll out of the group, but remained on the ground, abandoned by the group and bleeding from his head and his mouth’, added Mr Hays.
Members of the public administered first aid before an ambulance crew arrived.
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Well, I’m glad to hear that. But why hadn’t any of the public come to his aid during the attack? I realize that some of the people were likely elderly or otherwise unable to put up a fight, but sure *some* of the crowd must have been able bodied?
These thugs cannot be allowed to wreck such barbarism unopposed by ordinary Britons.
SpiritOf1683 says
Would they do that in Singapore? If they did, they’d get the caning of their lives. But then again, Singapore isn’t a politically correect place.
SpiritOf1683 says
Would they do that in Singapore? If they did, they’d get the caning of their lives. But then again, Singapore isn’t a politically correect place.
citycat says
Too much TV and computers.
People watching watching watching.
Awareness is lacking and all in oblivion.
Get fit healthy active, practiced in the arts.
Not everyone is a follower.
Awareness has to spread but how.
Ionian says
Can you imagine if a bunch of ex-patriots from the west did this in Saudi Arabia, Turkey or ANY non-western country? The fact is – it has never happened, not even once. If it did the embassies would be closed, there would be worldwide rioting by Muslims, threats of war, etc. Not that any of that is necessarily reasonable, but it goes to show how much more they respect their own, their own national integrity and self respect than we do.
We are distracted while they are out looking for what they can take.
We let hordes of people completely full of hatred for us into our countries, give them welfare and aid while our own are homeless and starving. We have made our countries into virtually open territory for whoever will apply more force for it. We wouldn’t even have to anything violent to keep our lands, just apply the rule of law and stop giving it away, have some self respect. But we are so complacent we give it away to those who will take it by force.
Dumbledoresarmy says
Coming in late to this.
Now, I am as horrified as anyone else, by the fact that there seem to have been non-Muslim people present who failed to help Mr White.
But it’s quite difficult, reading the article, to figure out how many of them there actually were.
We have a Mr White, non-Muslim, with “friends” (at least two, but possibly no more than two; we aren’t told the precise number), presumably also non-Muslim.
We have a gang of ten Muslims, who attack him. Note – this is an area where presumably there are quite a lot of *other* Muslims, because we are told that the gang ” cleared the area of Asian [sic: Muslim – dda] women and children before the attack.” Were there other Muslim *men* hanging menacingly around, essentially functioning as reinforcements?
Mr White’s friends *should* have helped him. But were they physically able to do so? We simply don’t know. They vanish from the story – they’re not even named, they don’t even seem to have acted as witnesses in the court case.
There are the “group of horrified passersby” outside Top Shop. How many, precisely? Three, four, five, ten? No information. Men, women, children? What age? No information. Women with small kids? There had been Muslim women with kids present, earlier on, so perhaps there were non-Muslim women with kids.
There was a group of football supporters – we are not told precisely how many – two? three? four? five or more? not specified – who sang “God save the Queen” at the Muslims (in response to the Muslims’ shouts of “F- the Queen”) *after* the attack, “as Mr White lay bleeding on the ground”. It is possible that these people only arrived on the scene when it was all over…when the thugs had tired of their prey. Another possibility is that it was the *arrival* of this group of people – who may not have *known* what was going on until they walked right into it – that tipped the balance and *led* to the Muslims’ backing off (or else, why did they not keep on attacking Mr White, when he rolled away from them?).
Was it people from among this group, or from among the other group of passersby near Top Shop, or another set, who administered first aid to Mr White? Not explained. Therefore not knowable.
If one rereads the article, it’s quite difficult to get a clear picture of the strategic situation: the terrain plus the size and composition of the respective Muslim and non-Muslim forces. In the absence of the latter, and in the absence of a clear description of who actually saw what was happening, I think one has to reserve judgement.
It may be that those non-Muslims present at the time when the attack kicked off (and I am assuming, here, that the “football supporters” were *not* present) were simply too much taken by surprise – and/ or too much outnumbered by Muslims – to make an effective response.
hirliy,gate says
you brits must carry guns, knives to protect yourselves whenever a muslim approaches you on your streets…the world is aware of the great threat everyday muslims are in your county…stay strong Brits !!!!!