Inspiring piety by means of terror: “One of the women in the brigade came over, pointing her firearm at me. She then tested my knowledge of prayer, fasting and hijab.”
“In Raqqa, an All-Female ISIS Brigade Cracks Down on Local Women,” by Ahmad al-Bahri, Syria Deeply, July 15, 2014 (thanks to Jerk Chicken):
Their mandate? To apprehend civilian women who do not follow the organization’s strict brand of Sharia law.
Shortly after the Sunni militant group the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) retook control of Raqqa earlier this year, it created the al-Khansaa’ Brigade, an all-female unit operating in the city. Its purpose is to apprehend civilian women in Raqqa who do not follow the organization’s strict brand of Sharia law, including a mandate that all women be fully covered in public and that they be accompanied by a male chaperone.
“We have established the brigade to raise awareness of our religion among women, and to punish women who do not abide by the law,” says Abu Ahmad, an ISIS official in Raqqa. “There are only women in this brigade, and we have given them their own facilities to prevent the mixture of men and women.”
He says the organization, which has been pushing further into eastern Syria after taking control of the Iraqi city of Mosul and key points on the Iraq-Syria border last month, needs a female brigade to “raise awareness among women, and arrest and punish women who do not follow the religion correctly. Jihad is not a man-only duty. Women must do their part as well.”
The women who join the brigade are either women of Raqqa who wanted to take part in ISIS’s activities there, or, often, the wives of mujahedeen who have come to fight from other parts of Syria or the region.
Though women are assuming new, more powerful roles across Syria – the U.N. now estimates that one in four displaced families in Syria has a female head – residents here say that any “girl power” wrought by the brigade is mitigated by the harsher restrictions they have been tasked with imposing on Raqqa’s women.
“ISIS created it to terrorize women,” says Abu al-Hamza, a local media activist. He says the brigade raided the city’s Hamida Taher Girls School and arrested 10 students, two teachers and a secretary on the grounds that some of them were wearing veils that were too thin. Others were accused of wearing hair clips under the veil, pinning them in a way that showed too much of their faces.
Al-Hamza says that the women subsequently spent six hours in an ISIS detention center, where they were whipped. “After arresting those women and girls,” continues al-Hamza, “they took them to ISIS prisons and locked them in for six hours and punished some of them with 30 whips each.”
Zainab is a local teen who was arrested by female members of ISIS four months ago.
“I was walking down the street when a car suddenly stopped and a group of armed women got out,” she says. “They insulted me and yelled at me. They took me to one of their centers and kept me locked in a room. Nobody talked to me or told me the reason for my detention. One of the women in the brigade came over, pointing her firearm at me. She then tested my knowledge of prayer, fasting and hijab.”
The fighter told Zainab she had been arrested because she had been walking alone, without an escort, and because her hijab was not worn properly. “You should be punished for taking your religion lightly,” she told Zainab, before threatening harsher punishment should she be arrested again.
Two hours later, she was released. But for Zainab – and other women here – the message was clear.
“The brigade has created fear among the women and girls of Raqqa,” she says. “We’ve seen how they move, always watching women on the street, raiding schools, arresting students and locking them in for hours.”
Jan Fourowls says
So what are we doing about it to use our words for anything but preaching to the choir here?
Here’s another of my comment series unlikely to be posted today —
Your [http://wamc.org/post/mass-us-senator-markey-weighs-ukraine-and-gaza] failure to “approve” the comment below would only prove that you’re part of the TTHT (Taqiyya Trojan Horse Tactics) brigade.
Consistent with the subtext of his remarks here, Senator Edward Markey, Democrat from Massachusetts, also and not coincidentally on the U.S. Senate’s Committee on Foreign Relations, is co-sponsoring S. 2219 with New York Democrat Congressman Hakeem Jeffries sponsoring H.R. 3878. See https://www.facebook.com/ConcernedAmericansAgainstTheTakeoverOfAmerica/posts/529458160496134. Senator Markey by his remarks about the plane shot down over the Ukraine and about Gaza utterly fails to disclose: (1) the likelihood that Ukrainian Muslim terrorists (with the most to gain from the chaos, and also being unwelcome to non-Muslim “separatists” who know from experience about Islamic terror tactics and are fighting in self-defense against the Muslim terrorists) misused stolen Russian equipment to shoot down the plane, or (2) the ongoing deception and violence of Hamas as a terrorist organization by its 1988 charter (never abrogated), currently requiring its own soldier-citizens in Gaza under Hamas threat to be human shields to Israel’s cross-fire in self-defense after Hamas initiated aggression. Senator Markey is a hypocrite and oligarch who like POTUS betrays the American people in foreign press commentary as well as in Washington, D.C.
As I get informally, behind-the-scenes censored more and more on the internet, I am emailing all my personal contacts and lists with messages like the following:
“Hope you’re having a beautiful Saturday! Thinking of you, wishing only good to all you love.
This email forwards information and a guide to action for anybody who might be similarly moved under rapidly escalating Islamist geopolitical encroachments and new risks to Americans by stealth jihad. We now face a new potential to have our Constitutional freedoms eroded internally through elected officials following the overtly demoralizing terrorism of 9/11, Fort Hood and the Boston Marathon Bombing. (The fact that some legislation tracking websites publish a small likelihood of this anti-freedom legislation passing could be designed to lull us into inaction. In a “taqiyya” world, nothing said or printed can be taken at face value, only what is done or not done.)
There’s a lot of information in the forwarded email. In summary without the provided context, Congressman Hakeem Jeffries sponsoring H.R. 3878 is a Democrat, New Yorker and Muslim.
His co-sponsor in the Senate for S. 2219, Senator Edward Markey, is a Democrat and Liberal from Massachusetts, also and not coincidentally on the U.S. Senate’s Committee on Foreign Relations.
It continues to go increasingly wrong in the UK where Muslims and their apologists who are politically prominent citizens twist more and more control of government into alignment with principles of Sharia law instead of the rule of Western civilization’s law. In America we still have the Constitution which the UK lacks, and which our forebears fought the British to obtain. Congressman Hakeem Jeffries’ bill, aided and abetted by traitorous Senator Markey, is an end-run around the Constitution that many bloggers I read see as a “line in the sand” we should not allow our nation to cross.
I hope and pray Americans will not believe falsely “it cannot happen here” and by inaction not even let their elected leaders know we object as a patriotic people.
And now I’m going to go enjoy the rest of my Saturday while I’m still free to do so!”
islamisdeath says
I assure the vast majority of Americans do believe it cannot happen here. I am told this often by family and friends and acquaintances.
Jan Fourowls says
I definitely hear you, “islamisdeath.” The response I most often get is “that’s so scary,” and yes, hello, that’s the whole point of terrorism as Muslims practice it. Reading one day of JW ought to convince them otherwise, but in my experience without the Holy Spirit for comfort, counsel and courage, people actually cannot face the abhorrent existential terror of Islam and retreat into various forms of denial aka fantasy. (Thus the Stockholm Syndrome-esque fantasy that appeasement will work, or 180 degrees from that, still a fantasy, that the second amendment will save America when POTUS has the nukes.)
I hope and pray that those you know will become able to face the fear and join you in understanding what we’re up against.
Mirren10 says
” … but in my experience without the Holy Spirit for comfort, counsel and courage, people actually cannot face the abhorrent existential terror of Islam and retreat into various forms of denial aka fantasy.”
Crap. I am agnostic, I don’t share your beliefs, and I am perfectly capable of facing the abhorrent nature of islam, and doing everything I can to fight against it.
You are entitled to your beliefs, but don’t fall into the trap of assuming that only devout Christians have the capability of understanding what islam is all about, and fighting against it.
There are other devout Christians here, for example, Champ, and dumbledoresarmy. Neither of them exhibit your arrogant assumptions, cloaked in rather syrupy piety.
There are plenty of atheists, and agnostics, who post here, who are equally capable of discerning the evil of islam, and fighting against it. I can’t speak for them, but I personally find your arrogant assumptions offensive and irritating.
If your intention is to proselytise for Christianity, you’re going the wrong way about it, for my taste. Champ, and dumbledoresarmy, and other Christians here, are more likely to convert me than you are, since they don’t constantly rub my nose in it.
Talk about Christianity all you want, in your posts; just don’t assume that only people who share your beliefs are capable of fighting back against islam.
John C. Barile says
I want to let all the non-theists here whom I know and like–such as you, J. Mirren–to know that I certainly mean no offense if and when I use religious language and imagery, presume to talk theology, or even lapse into syrupy religiosity.
Himalayan Pony says
Thanks for mentioning about the Holy Spirit, Jan,
yesterday I was wondering what would happen if He also leaves! And surprisingly I got an email from a friend in Germany who said yesterday’s message in church (in Germany) was “How would your life be if the Holy Spirit takes a holiday for a few days?” Even that sounds terrible to me. But there is a verse saying that could happen too – though I don’t know when:
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“And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he may be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. — 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7…
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It is strange for me that even if a couple of people start talking about the Christian faith here on this site, others pounce on them, trying to silence them…I I find it strange as a Christian from a Hindu background).. But that’s life, I accept it.
John C. Barile says
Himalayan Pony, I think that if the Holy Spirit didn’t restrain evil, that a preternatural power and a seducing spirit would empower Muslim supremacists to rally to a universal caliphate bent on conquering all for Antichrist.
gravenimage says
Good post, Mirren.
boakai ngombu says
thank you for the info
as you are blessed with faith in Jesus, I trust that your Saturday given reminded you of your freedoms.
Jan Fourowls says
Yes, it did, Boakai! And I hope you similarly enjoyed faith in Jesus. Thank you for the kind comment.
Jay Boo says
Just an opinion
Jan Fourowls if you are going to repeatedly post off-topic then it would be better to say so at the very beginning especially when you choose to make it the very first comment.
It would be much easier to read this long meandering thread if it were condensed into separate posts.
Off topic is always easier to read when condensed and with the use of fewer “I”‘s and “me”‘s
Jan Fourowls says
Just an opinion, Jay Boo — you don’t have to read anything you don’t want to!
At least for now you have that freedom in the USA.
Ivan Bogdanov says
@j_Poo
One year from than now past you come here with all piety imploring to be educated on Islams and become in the anti-jihad. Now you are authority? No you are but bleating sheep and bitch for Fill_Itsarseski. Only very few commenter here like DDA are not the sheep that clutter up the site.
Bleat less and make sense.
More Later….
Jay Boo says
Does voeg agree with all this by a strange coincidence???
gravenimage says
If “Ivan” isn’t a troll, then he is a close relative to that species…
dumbledoresarmy says
Look I would really rather not be complimented by you at the same time as you make snidely insulting remarks about others here.
It makes my skin crawl.
voegelinian says
Back in February of this year (bold emphasis added — should be dripped in vivid red paint and displayed on the front doors of Jihad Watch for Criminy’s sake):
Jay Boo
February 26, 2014 at 9:35 am
Islam is not 100% evil.
However, the politically correct news media like NPR & BBC needs to focus more
on what is at the evil core of Islam than on its window dressing.
voegelinian
February 26, 2014 at 5:39 pm
“Islam is not 100% evil.”
Two questions come to mind:
1) What percentage of Islam is not evil?
2) What does this non-evil percentage consist of?
_____________________________
Guess what — Jay Boo never responded to my searingly good questions.
voegelinian says
Further back, in October of 2013, after I cited links from Andrew Bostom demonstrating that al-Sissi is not a Moderate Muslim but a supporter of supremacist jihad (i.e., he’s a garden-variety Muslim), Jay Boo responded:
Jay Boo
October 8, 2013 at 4:23 am
Andrew Bostom
Good grief
You’ve got to be kidding.
_________________________
It’s simply impermissible in the Counter-Jihad for anyone to sneeringly dismiss someone as eminently useful as Andrew Bostom. As JW veteran responded at the time:
Jan
October 8, 2013 at 5:05 am
Why are you sneering at Andrew Bostom ?
”Andrew Bostom
Good grief
You’ve got to be kidding.”
If you have anything relevant to say about Dr. Bostom, as to why he should not be cited as a source of information, then why not say so, and produce proof, instead of your silly comment, above.
____________________
Brava!
Meanwhile, I responded (under my previous nickname “LemonLime”) to Jay Boo with one of my typically “arrogant” sarcastic retorts which so horrendously wound and aggrieve the precious sensibilities of certain hypersensitive souls here on JW:
LemonLime
October 8, 2013 at 2:35 pm
With a cogent counter-argument like that utilizing persuasive evidence (as every counter-argument must), I see my defense is utterly defeated I don’t know if I have the will to go on anymore…
(Someone else at the time also balked (insufficiently, of course, without providing an adequate counter-argument) at the Andrew Bostom evidence — some Johnny-come-lately-never-to-be-seen-again commenter named “no1”. I wonder what happened to him…?)
Myxlplik says
Ah, there goes the myth that Muslim women will be the arbiters of an Islamic reformation, looks like these women are on the wrong side of the bayonet.
Most Americans don’t believe the conflict has anything to do with religion, and the others who do know we are on the cusp of a global religious war are too afraid to admit the scope of things to come.
I’ve had lots & lots of conversations, sooner or later people will realize what is happening. Sooner or later a Western European nation will descend into Islamic barbarism and chaos, then and only then will those who are either too unimaginative to see, or too cowardly to admit will come to know the truth.
danias says
Ahh I wish.
Sharing stories like this pinned me as spreading sterotypes in negative, racist ways with my peers who tried to get me kicked out of college (didn’t work).
dumbledoresarmy says
Was this in the USA? How recently?
Anyway: you tried. You did what you could. Who knows, some of those people who got angry with you might “come around”, later on, when the truth jumps up and bites them (Note, we don’t want them to get killed, we want them to **change their minds**) and they realize you were right about Islam.
Just hang in there and keep on keeping on. Ever heard of a book called “Getting Through”? you can get it from the “citizen warrior” website. I’ve got a copy… need to reread it. Lots of useful hints.
dumbledoresarmy says
Welcome to the real-life – decidedly de facto and ad hoc – Order of the Phoenix.
Encountering the same panicked repression of the truth that Dumbledore and Harry experience in the book of the same name, when they start trying to tell people that Voldemort’s back.
Well, *we’re* trying to tell people that the *Jihad* is Baaaack! And they don’t want to believe us.
pumbar says
That picture is hilarious!
Jay Boo says
The first one is standing
The second is crouching
The third is bending over more
The last is hunched over tip-toeing the ground
pumbar says
There is a fifth one but she’s buried up to her shoulders getting stoned; not in a nice way either.
Jay Boo says
Charlie’s angels — not
Muhammad’s bitches
No wonder Muslim women love to poison their husbands at Ramadan.
gravenimage says
All-female Islamic State brigade enforces Islamic law on women
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The women in Islam can be just as eager to oppress other women as are the men.
More:
residents here say that any “girl power” wrought by the brigade is mitigated by the harsher restrictions they have been tasked with imposing on Raqqa’s women.
All-female Islamic State brigade enforces Islamic law on women
……………………………..
No sh*t…
Tradewinds says
I remember when I felt sorry for Muslim women, back in the ’90’s. I don’t feel that way anymore.
shrugger says
Has no one thought to ask? Where are their chaperons?
Jay Boo says
Maybe all four share the same husband.
Johnd says
I see that as progress. Women in Islam have been underemployed far too long, and this is a positive step, to build their self esteem and image. All that bottled up madness, lust and frustration working for the Islamic common good. Creeping around in a burka with a tommy gun alteady high on the list of feminist priorities. Allah, piss be upon him, must be exploding with pride.
FatherJon says
Wasn’t this why we lost thousands of young allied soldiers in Aghanistan, to get rid of this brutal Islamist conformity? Now it’s spreading all across Iraq and Syria. What a waste of our young men.
This time let them sort it out amongst themselves. While they’re killing each other, they’re leaving the rest of us alone.
FJ
mike ryan says
If the world’s past with Islam is any indication of what the future with Islam holds, I can not be so sure that, before long, they won’t be coming for us AGAIN!
Cindy Mccoy says
This is the craziest thing I have heard in a long time. What are these women getting in return for this??? Because I can’t see why they would do this. This is the most mixed up cult . Thank God Almighty that I don’t understand I guess. If I did I might be that mixed up too!! Jesus, please help these poor women. Set them free from that vile religion!!
Mirren10 says
” What are these women getting in return for this??? ”
The opportunity to lord it over their ‘sisters’. In a word, **power**. It isn’t only mohammedan men who love a sense of supremacism, lots of mohammedan women do also.
Tradewinds says
“This is the most mixed up cult.”
Islam turns humans into monsters.
tpellow says
Will West’s leftist political ‘feminist’ women support, or oppose, Muslim jihadist women in the imposition of Sharia repressive violence against all women?
joeb says
In all seriousness, I’m certain Naomi Wolf, Germaine Greer and their ilk will be truly thrilled by this.
Mirren10 says
”In all seriousness, I’m certain Naomi Wolf, Germaine Greer and their ilk will be truly thrilled by this”
Yep. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they started gibbering about the wonderful ’empowerment’ of women this evinces. They already think the burka is ‘freedom’. Puke.
AfricanChristian says
Besides being evil, how joke islam is.
David says
This article about a rape of a 10 year old girl & the planned honour killing of her afterward sums up everything that is wrong with Afghanistan, & Islam in particular.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-struggle-to-keep-an-afghan-girl-safe-after-a-mullah-is-accused-of-rape-20140720-zuypw.html
Holy Shirt! says
“In a “taqiyya” world, nothing said or printed can be taken at face value, only what is done or not done.
Congressman Hakeem Jeffries sponsoring H.R. 3878 is a Democrat, New Yorker and Muslim.
His co-sponsor in the Senate for S. 2219, Senator Edward Markey, is a Democrat and Liberal from Massachusetts, also and not coincidentally on the U.S. Senate’s Committee on Foreign Relations.”
On planet Taqiyya, every official is a Senator Malarkey (in fact, if not in name).
On planet Sharia, all-girl goon squads [Eat your heart out, Karl] rove freely, guardians of laws effectively banning their daily lifestyle. ‘The Running Man’ knew the absence of men did not guarantee of the absence of balls.
On planet Islam, society itself is dysfunctional, the Model of Madness.
That a remnant of Jews has survived their 1,000+ year jihad is miraculous.
Will Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, other faiths and atheists be so fortunate?
Elisheva14 says
We are fortunate to have all this info and be awake enough to process it. It is almost impossible to convince others of the dangers ahead. These women are zombies of sorts and dangerous.
Bryan says
Beard madam?
Mirren10 says
@ John C. Barile
Hi, John !
You don’t offend me at all, people with sincere beliefs never offend me. (Except mohammedans, of course !)
What annoyed me about Jan Fourowl’s post was the blithe assumption that only people with Christian beliefs can appreciate, and fight against, the horrors of islam.
Even though I don’t share your beliefs, John, I always wish you, and other Christians here, well. Peace ! (a la Pat Condell) 🙂
John C. Barile says
I just can’t resist posting this, OT though it may be, since this is one independence movement you can sway along with, and I admire the Kurds above other Near Eastern peoples–besides, not all Kurds [who are non-Arab] are orthodox Muslims; I lose track of minorities and esoteric creeds among them–the 21-point Sun on their flag is a Zoroastrian symbol; Yazdanism (Yarsani, Yezidi, and Alevi strains) derives in part from Zoroastrianism: http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D33Zd1c4QDIs
Now this is what I call “girl power.”
Long live Kurdistan, jewdog!
John C. Barile says
Please try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SetwsLL1I10
voegelinian says
“not all Kurds [who are non-Arab] are orthodox Muslims…and esoteric creeds among them–the 21-point Sun on their flag is a Zoroastrian symbol; Yazdanism (Yarsani, Yezidi, and Alevi strains) derives in part from Zoroastrianism:”
The following study should help to disabuse one of such glibly parroted notions:
http://home.hum.uva.nl/oz/leezenberg/PoliIslamKurds.pdf
John C. Barile says
Thanks to you , most pious, righteous Imam, I see how far I have strayed from The Right Path–may Allah preserve you!
Mirren10 says
I think this selection of articles on Kurdistan, from Jihad Watch, shows that they are somewhat schizophrenic, to put it at its mildest.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/category/kurdistan
John C. Barile says
I love schizoids–I have 84 different personae myself.
voegelinian says
My link documents among other things, Kurds in Iraq throwing acid on girls and attacking women for wearing short skirts. Also, JW some time back reported on a stoning of a woman in a Kurd area in Iraq. But all this data is irrelevant to the prejudice we should rationally employ against all Muslims — Kurds included. Why some JWers have this strange reflex to want to defend certain types of Muslims that pop up, does not baffle me, but does dismay me.
John C. Barile says
I don’t want to defend Muslims as Muslims, nor defend Islam. I sense that Islam’s absurdities do overtake its ambitions, and that internal contradictions within Islam-dominated societies do sometimes come to the fore. RS has noted that Islam is a vulnerable, brittle construct when faced with real challenges, like modernity, nationalism, secular humanism, science and rationalism. I perceive that pre-Islamic cultural strains may reemerge and displace salafist conformity at times; jahiliyya coupled with utilitarian imperatives have some potential to rein-in Islamic virulence.
If veteran, senior U.S. armed service members and Israeli back-channel intelligence and diplomatic circles have long-standing, cordial relations and shared security and economic interests; If Bibi Netanyahu’s government favors Kurdish independence, as does Gov. Mike Huckabee; well then, so do I.
John C. Barile says
. . . Have long-standing, cordial relations and shared security and economic interests–with Kurdish nationalists, that is.
John C. Barile says
John C. Barile says
Tried to post a lively stage performance in Irbil, a 2014 Kurdish pop music festival–no luck.
Beagle says
Here in Orlando I have seen women (presumably, minus the AK-47s) dressed just like that swimming (barely), riding bikes (yes really), and walking in heavy thunderstorms.
At some point I will end up having to explain that to a child. Good luck convincing a normal kid there is nothing wrong with that. Not that I would try to normalize the sharia femininja brigades.
It’s like some weird postwar absurdist play, but actually happening around me. I usually cite Rhinoceros.
jewdog says
This is what you get when you combine Women’s Lib and The Inquisition. I wonder if they eat their young.
Greyhound Fancier says
They don’t eat them – they raise them to be suicide bombers and jihadis.
VLParker says
The world is nuts.
Silvia says
It’s easy to trash and criticize Muslim women but it’s not fair. They are half the population and THEY ARE DOOMED from the second they are born! They are in CONSTANT danger for their lives, their whole lives.
As for why women would oppress other women in Islam. I’ve read many books, fiction and non fiction about these societies and I guess the reasons are varied –
Brainwashing, Stockholm syndrome, constant fear.
I think it was Wafa Sultan who talked about it in her book. She said something very reasonable about the cruelty of women to other women. I think it was her who said that THAT was the ONLY place where women in these hellholes had any power! They are so oppressed, so persecuted, so helpless and powerless that the only place where they could feel they had control and an outlet for their anger, was in treating other women badly. It makes sense.
pumbar says
They’re probably reverts. Have no sympathy for any of them.
dumbledoresarmy says
The other part of it is this: we all know about women who become, say, madams, or accomplices to serial torturer-killers. Some of the cruellest guards in the death camps were female. Evil is a human thing…
There are women, as well as men, who get off on bullying and tormenting others.
And any of us who watched the Harry Potter films or read the books encountered that pink and poisonous sadist, Dolores Umbridge.
In Marjane Satrapi’s book “Persepolis”, which describes the Khomeini-driven return-to-real-Islam of Iran, she describes the black-clad female “virtue police” who delighted in terrorising and bullying women and girls whom they deemed to be insufficiently-Islamic in dress or demeanour.
gravenimage says
Silvia wrote:
It’s easy to trash and criticize Muslim women but it’s not fair. They are half the population and THEY ARE DOOMED from the second they are born! They are in CONSTANT danger for their lives, their whole lives.
As for why women would oppress other women in Islam….I guess the reasons are varied…
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I don’t believe that anyone who practices thuggery should get a free pass.
Yes, women are oppressed in Islam—but that doesn’t render them completely without agency.
While I have a certain amount of sympathy for Muslimahs who are cowed and terrified, I have *no* sympathy for those who *victimize others*.
Rezali Mehil says
People have asked whether this would happen in America….
It will if Allah SWT wills it so….and if it is the case I want the red-neck cow girls to know the following …
No white burka to save you from the heat …only black in heat ..to demonstrate your pious nature …and no cowboy hat over the burka…it’s insulting…
More later…
Rezali
Reality Check says
More later? Don’t bother …
flakmusic says
“… if Allah SWT wills it so…”
Allah TSW is a wanker – if he exists. But if he doesn’t exist he still is a wanker.
pumbar says
More Shi’ite later.
gravenimage says
The repulsive Rezali Mehil wrote:
People have asked whether this would happen in America….
It will if Allah SWT wills it so….
………………………………
This vicious Muslimah—who also condones child marriage and Honor Killing—is *exactly* the sort who would join the “religious police” and abuse other women with relish. *Ugh*.
agwnonsense says
“An eye for an eye” works for me,male or female if you live by the sword die by the sword.All fanatics Islamic ,Zionist ,Christian whatever should be shot.
gravenimage says
What witless moral equivalence. What Jews and Christians are living by the sword?
Mirren10 says
@ Himalayan Pony.
You said:
”It is strange for me that even if a couple of people start talking about the Christian faith here on this site, others pounce on them, trying to silence them”
Presumably that was meant for me, since I took exception to part of Jan Fourowl’s post ?
**This ** is the part I objected to:
” … but in my experience without the Holy Spirit for comfort, counsel and courage, people actually cannot face the abhorrent existential terror of Islam and retreat into various forms of denial aka fantasy.”
Why do I object to it ? **Not** because she talks about the Holy Spirit, but because she arrogantly assumes only those who believe in the Holy Spirit can ”face the abhorrent existential terror of islam” and only those who so believe do not ”retreat into various forms of denial aka fantasy”.
This is manifestly untrue, all you have to do is cruise through the threads to see that there are **many** atheists and agnostics here, who do **not** ‘retreat into various forms of denial’, and who **do** ‘face the abhorrent terror of islam’.
I have not ‘pounced’ on her; I have merely stated what I objected to, in her post. And I would never dream of ‘trying to silence’ anyone. Objecting, and stating why, is not ‘trying to silence’. It’s free speech, debate and discussion. That’s part of what this site is about.
And for the record, I am not in the least anti-Christian. Like Wellington, I feel that if all the mohammens in the world immediately converted to Christianity, the world would be a hell of a lot better place.
Himalayan Pony says
Hi Mirren10 – thanks for taking the time to explain, I appreciate that. Of course I meant you and also some others, not just you.
It is OK that you feel that way, because that is your point of view as an atheist.
But at the same time from the point of view of a Christian, it is about the faith he/she has. If a person believes (and knows through an experience or a revelation beyond a doubt) that he / she believes in a Truth or that Jesus is the only Way, then such a response from a Christian is not wrong. It is all about “absolute truth”. http://www.gotquestions.org/absolute-truth.html
If I knew beyond a shadow of doubt that what I believe is absolute Truth (without of course trying to force others to believe what I believe – ( that is not even possible anyway), – then I would answer the same way too, after having experienced Jesus, and the Holy Spirit… Of course, I know that atheists are also suffering under Islam and have to deal with it the best that they can. But as a Christian I definitely believe that a loving God is in control, which gives some comfort despite all this madness. Sometimes when a Christian makes such statements, it comes across as being arrogant, but it is really not like that 🙂 (BTW I appreciate many of your posts here)…
gravenimage says
Himalayan Pony, I believe Mirren’s issue with Jan’s post was not that she was expressing her Christian faith, but that she was asserting than no non-Christian—and presumably that would include Jews and Hindus and Buddhists as well as agnostics and atheists—are actually capable of opposing the evil of Islam.
But we see non-Christians here at Jihad Watch every day who fervently and bravely oppose Jihad and Shari’ah.
Robert Spencer himself is a devout Christian, but he has partnered with non-Christians many times—including stalwart Anti-Jihadist atheists like Hugh Fitzgerald and Pamela Geller.
I believe than *any* moral person can ethically oppose Jihad—and, moreover, that it is important for us to ally with them, whatever their spiritual faith.
Himalayan Pony says
I agree with you gravenimage that any ‘moral’ person of any faith can oppose this islamic ideology the best they can, but still feel that a real Christian has something more (Jesus) to confront this evil, I hope I am not upsetting you by saying this.
Himalayan Pony says
@Philip Jihadski
Not at all, but if that’s how you feel I can’t do anything about it. Go ahead – feel upset.
Himalayan Pony says
http://www.awmi.net/extra/article/root_grief