If this is true, it means that Hamas and Islamic Jihad know they’re losing. Islamic law stipulates that “if Muslims are weak, a truce may be made for ten years if necessary, for the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) made a truce with the Quraysh for that long, as is related by Abu Dawud” (‘Umdat as-Salik, o9.16).
Note that this can only be done if “Muslims are weak.” The same legal manual also quotes this verse of the Qur’an: “So do not be fainthearted and call for peace, when it is you who are the uppermost” (Sura 47:35). So Hamas and Islamic Jihad would not be calling for a truce at all if they believed that they were in a position of strength. “Interests that justify making a truce are such things as Muslim weakness because of lack of numbers or materiel, or the hope of an enemy becoming Muslim . . .” (‘Umdat as-Salik, o9.16).
The bottom line: Hamas and Islamic Jihad are feeling the heat and want a truce in order to regroup and emerge in a stronger position. But Western analysts do not know or care about what Islamic law says, and so they will think this means that these groups want peace, and press Israel to accept — when what it really means is that its enemies are weak, and know they’re losing, and Israel should press forward to victory.
“Report: Terrorists Offer 10-Year Truce,” Arutz Sheva, July 16, 2014:
Palestinian Arab sources reported Wednesday that Hamas and Islamic Jihad have drafted a ceasefire offer that would involve a 10-year truce with Israel.
The terrorists want all crossings into Gaza opened, and an international airport to be opened in Gaza. The Rafah crossing is to be opened up to international traffic, under UN supervision, with international observers along the borders.
There is no official confirmation of the offer and it is being greeted with skepticism, as more of a trial balloon than an actual offer.
Other articles in the alleged proposal include the withdrawal of IDF tanks from areas they entered in Operation Protective Edge; a complete removal of the blockade on Gaza; an international sea port; no more flights by Israeli aircraft over Palestinian territory and expansion of the fishing zone to 10 km from the shoreline.
In addition, the terrorists demand that Israel release the terror prisoners who were freed in the Shalit deal and re-arrested in Operation Brother’s Keeper.
Other terrorist conditions: Israel will be obliged not to interfere with the activity of the Palestinian unity government, and industrial zones along the border will be rebuilt and renovated.
Angemon says
“There is no official confirmation of the offer and it is being greeted with skepticism, as more of a trial balloon than an actual offer.”
Testing who? Israel, whose history has shown to be open to a peace agreement as long as it safeguards its territory and he lives of its inhabitants, the “palestinians”, who want Israel razed to the ground, or the international community, who wants to press Israel into accepting any peace at any cost?
Mayla says
The idiot in the White House and his protege the secretary if dtste
islamisdeath says
All of western Europe and imam obama, Lurch and Shitllery.
islamisdeath says
All of western Europe, imam obama, Lurch and Shitllery come to mind immediately. These fools are unaware of the 10 years til we get stronger and can come back and try to massacre you all over again aspect of this. They dont care either.
Sheep following their leader over the cliff that’s the western population in general.
kikorikid says
HUDNA!
umbra says
Roll in the tanks and clear hamas (plus all other terrorists factions) out of gaza permanently. Better to live in real peace with the scorn of the world, than with a false peace wrapped in useless approval of the world.
john spielman says
I was going to say , to quote General Curtis Lemay, that they should be “bombed BACK to the stone age” but on second thought, Islamists LIVE in the stone age!
umbra says
Can always bomb them back to the pre-Stone Age (pre-civilisation), since they are uncivilised to begin with.
Ron says
Israel should concede nothing.
Buraq says
Let’s have a Hamassacre! No truce. No quarter given. Cut down to the last clown!
john spielman says
VERY FUNNY! though I doubt that the
HAM ASS will stay put and allow themselves to be “martyred. ” they will flee into Egypt, only to murder steal and rape another day.
kikorikid says
John S., Egypt is waiting on them to appear. Hamas is the militant arm of the Muslim Brotherhood which is NOW sitting at the bar of justice in
Cairo. Hamas linked up with PA because they were being pursued in
the Sinai by Egypt. Hamas is running out of friends.
nacazo says
Response shoud be “Lo”
dumbledoresarmy says
From Mr Spencer’s commentary to the news report:
“The bottom line: Hamas and Islamic Jihad are feeling the heat and want a truce in order to regroup and emerge in a stronger position. But Western analysts do not know or care about what Islamic law says, and so they will think this means that these groups want peace, and press Israel to accept — when **what it really means is that its enemies are weak, and know they’re losing, and Israel should press forward to victory** (my emphasis – dda)”
If our media knew what they were doing, and our diplomats and governments knew what they were doing – if they knew the very bare bones basics of how Islam works – then all our newspapers, the moment that Hamas proposed a “ten year” “truce”, would have given us what we had to wait for Mr Spencer to tell us, here – about the Treaty of Hudaybiyya, and the Muslim tactic of making “truces” when weak which they (the Muslims) fully intend to break as soon as they are strong enough.
My advice to Netanyahu and to the IDF is this: the *moment* Hamas proposed this ten year “truce” you should have sent out a communique to the UN and to all Western heads of state containing the information – about the Treaty of Hudaybiyya – that Mr Spencer has so concisely summed up in his remarks above.
And then you would, without any further explanations or apologies, start hammering Gaza harder than ever and go on hitting them till they are well and truly defeated.
Ivan Bogdanov says
Hear, hear, DDA!!!!!! Right on the lolly, As usual. A clear, cogent voice in a herd of bleaters.
More Later….
Jay Boo says
@dumbledoresarmy
A truly excellent well thought out commentary dumbledoresarmy
So good in fact, that Ivan Bogdanov’s attention seeking (what about me) Hear, hear exclamation pointed pretend applause cannot over-shadow it in the least.
John C. Barile says
I wish the guy would take his meds.
John C. Barile says
Rather, I hope that he has.
dsinc says
Israel must give Hamas, Islamic Jihad and any other savages the same truce that Israel would get from the savages. NO TRUCE AT ALL. They would be pushing their advantage and slaughtering all in their path. Drive the lot of them into the sea. Take back Gaza, shut down all the mosques and ban the practice of Islam as Attaturk did in Turkey.
Ivan Bogdanov says
I second this motion.
Jay Boo says
Ivan Bogdanov
You forgot to add your usual “more later”
Jaladhi says
How many times in Islamic history Muslims have offered a 10 year truce when they are weak and when they are strong enough they break the truce on any flimsy pretext. This Mo/allah taught them well and this what Hamas is doing now. They want time out for getting more advanced rockets so that they can shell Israel again with more accuracy or dodge Israel’s defenses.
No brainer and no deal, Hamas!!
Paleologos says
Screw the truce.
A truce is a laugh with these slime.
Go in and kill them or make them surrender.
Don’t stop.
Israel, we are with you!
R/
Paleologos
jewdog says
Not a bad proposal, really. And can I keep my religion if I wear a yellow star and pay the jizya?
John C. Barile says
Yes!
At least until Imam al-Mahdi comes–THEN you embrace The True Path or we CUT YOUR THROAT!!
John C. Barile says
/sarc
“We” is “they.”
Jay Boo says
It is not just Muslims fasting now but starting yesterday observant Jews will likely be fasting as well.
Not sure how this will affect outcome.
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Summer_Holidays/Tzom_Tammuz/tzom_tammuz.html
Elliott says
For the record:
The day of fasting in the Jewish calendar on Tuesday of this week (17th of “Tammuz”) commemorates a number of negative occurrences regarding Israel and the Jewish people. It is one of the four Dawn-to-dusk Fasts in the Jewish calendar. Observant Jews do not eat or drink (anything) from dawn to dusk on these days.
Mirren10 says
I just looked it up on google.
Yet another example of a mohammedan theft from Judaism ! (Ridiculous ramadanadingdong)
gravenimage says
And unlike Muslims, observant Jews do *not* demand that Gentiles refrain from eating or drinking publicly during Jewish fasts out of “respect”—still less would they threaten violence if Gentiles do not.
Ralph says
Finnish off the Muslim Idiots and than come over to the US and pick other Muslim, Obummer and his Muslim Brotherhood WH Cabinet.
Beagle says
That is less a cease fire proposal than a Christmas wish list. Maybe Israel could sweeten it with ponies for everyone in Gaza.
Dan says
Don’t fall for it.
Israel you’ve turned cheek too many times.
The only way terrorist organizations like Hamas are going to stop is when “Moderate Muslims” put them on trial and imprison or execute them as war criminals.
Until that happens, I wouldn’t trust a Hamas peace offering out of rifle range.
ploome says
Hamas is losing and they want a hudna, and they are laying down conditions….
makes sense to me
/
Sweetness says
Those terms are unacceptable. What’s the Arabic word for chutzpah ? They are losing badly and they turn around and demand everything they want as if they already won this “war”? No deal, sickos.
mortimer says
Anyone hear of “FOLLOW THE MONEY”?
I understand that warfare is very expensive. So who is paying for the expensive weapons these jihad morons are using every day?
Which are the countries sending money to the jihadists? What should be done more to stop them sending money?
dumbledoresarmy says
At least one western-country that has been giving “aid” to the Pooooor “Palestinians” [TM] has now decided to STOP.
The Netherlands, God bless ’em. No more jizya! And think of the money they’ll save!
Mentioned here, by one of my favourite Israeli Jewish bloggers.
http://israeliminx.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/a-round-up-of-our-rocket-full-day-so-far/
“In other good news, politicians in Holland voted unanimously to cut off all aid to the Palestinian Authority.” END QUOTE
Source here:
http://www.yourjewishnews.com/2014/07/16-n33598.html
Yippee!
Kudos to the Dutch!!
May every *other* western nation that currently forks out “aid” to the “Palestinians” (sic), do likewise.
Let’s all write to *our* politicians and suggest this excellent piece of economising. Moral *and* money-saving.
Turn off the jizya tap!
Champ says
A 10 year truce? …ahahaaaahaaaaaaa!! Yeah right!!! 😀 Hamas can’t go 10 minutes without starting a fight.
Go Israel! Defeat Hamas once and for ALL!!!
mariam rove says
I agree with you champ! They should just finish Hamas now. Once for all. m
bettina says
Of course, this is what Israel wants right now. You can target a few men, but how in G-d’s name do can you expunge an ideology that’s taken hold of so many brainwashed arabs in that strip from hell?
All these hate-filled teenagers seething against the Jew because imams and mullahs say so, because it’s written, and because Hamas makes sure they act on it…
Gail Griffin says
You know what gets me is that Hama’s is losing but wants Israel to pay for all this infrastructure and has all these demands as if they had the upper hand. I would tell Hama’s “Your independent build it yourself, get your donars to give you the money.”. Be sure to build bomb shelters while your at it. Use some birth control too
” maybe if Hama’s taxpayers had to fork over the $$ they would not be OK with wrecking it all again.
John C. Barile says
It would be bloody work, urban street fighting is what Hamas wants. So does Iran; they want another South Lebanon stand-off, which wears Israel down.
My idea would be for a limited but indefinite Israeli return, to take-back the Philadelphia Corridor at Gaza’s south end, and the northern end of the Strip, and make it nigh impossible for Hamas & Co. to rearm. Hold these and suppress terror–and Hamas, in its impotence, may disintegrate. Besides, if Israel must take back all of the Strip to enjoy relative peace and security, it ought to be easier to accomplish in two stages, rather than one.
Mayla says
Good idea! I also like surgical strikes from the air Basically take out just about every piece of land since they have so many caves and holes and tunnels to smuggle weapons and launch rockets. Take out any building that looks even slightly suspicious. They were warned to leave. Now it’s time to learn from the lebanese war and ignore White House opinions.
Once air strikes take out most of everything then do the land incursion.
JIMJFOX says
As usual a sensible comment and practical solution. Well said
John C. Barile says
Thanks, JFOX.
Sarah L Nield says
I wrote using pen and paper and stamp to the poorly disguised new Nazi party VivaPalestina with this message;
Thanks for the list of companies who do deals with Israel! I know who to buy from now! I have bought some oranges. Products of Israel. I buy a lot of products of Israel. I am not saying where from because you will put on your brown shirts and stand outside with your signs.Don’t buy from Jews.
To any Israeli reading this, know. Every decent person is behind you and as a life long Socialist I apologies unreservedly for the left’s persecution of your beautiful country and it’s courageous people. I have explained to my fellow Socialists I cannot in all conscious support a political stance that would watch and applaud while another Shoah takes place.
Never stop fighting til the fight is done!
(Sorry if there is a double comment posted. It won’t work at this end and I want to get my true feelings out there so I am trying again).
Mayla says
Hi can you publish that list? I’ll buy from them
Sarah L Nield says
According to the VivaPalestina website (I wouldn’t sully this noble site by linking), the main companies mentioned to boycott:
McDonald’s.
L’Oreal.
Coca Cola.
I was going to photograph my oranges with the product of Israel and me holding a Coca Cola bottle and e-mail it but the cowards e-mail bounces it back.
Mayla says
Yea that figures. Thanks for the info.
Mirren10 says
Well done !
I did the same on the malevolent ‘BDS’ site. I left a message thanking them for telling me which products to buy, and ended with Long live Israel.
And I always make a point of buying Israeli products whenever I see them.
Long live Israel !
Walter Sieruk says
The members of Hamas don’t know it but they are fighting for a lost cause. That is they are fated to lose in the mad Islamic quest to destroy the State of Israel. Another thing the Hamas members don’t understand or don’t want to understand is that they are striving against the Will of God. For the One True God Who is God of the Bible has given all this land that now composes the State of Israel to the Jewish people. An example this may be seen in Genesis 28:13-15. 35:10-12. Deuteronomy 32:48,49. Psalm 105:7-11. 135:4. Since the Hamas members are striving against the Will of God that not only makes their war against Israel actions of extreme futility but that also makes them wicked. So even if Hamas join forces with other like minded Islamic terror groups such as Hezbollah, P.I.J. etc. they will end up losing and losing hard. For the Bible teaches in Proverbs 11:21. “Though hand join in hand the wicked shall not go unpunished.” [K.J.V.] Furthermore, such anti-alliances against Israel are nothing new. they go as far back as to ancient times. For example, the Bible in Psalm 83:3-4 reads “They have taken crafty counsel against they people…They have said, Come,and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee.” Further in the same chapter in verses 16-18 shows the end result of such anti-Israel scheming. For these verses read “Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, of O Lord. Let them be confounded and troubled forever; let them be put to shame and perish. That men may know thou, whose name is JE-HO-VAH, art the most high over all the earth.” [K.J.V.] That is the One True God Who has the name of Jehovah. He is the God of the Bible, the Middle East and the whole earth. This is in great contrast to the false pagan Lunar god of Islam and the Quran. For in spite of what the apologists for Islam claim which is that the God of the Bible and the God of Islam are the same God. This claim is false. As I had so thoroughly explain in earlier posting on this site and even gave many book titles who exposes this truth. As the one entitled WHO IS THE ALLAH ? by G.J.O. Moshay. Nevertheless, the whole point made here is that Hamas along with Hezbollah ,P.I.J. etc. are all fated to fail in their goal to destroy the State of Israel because the God of the Bible will not allow it.
Champ says
Exactly, Walter! ..great comment
JIMJFOX says
“God of the Bible will not allow it”
I feel SO much safer now, Walter.
Mayla says
Walter – I completely agree. Try dividing Jerusalem the seat of G_d’s throne. Man will try and have tried. G_d will ultimately win. He always does. Even against Hamas
Champ says
“God of the Bible will not allow it”
I feel SO much safer now, Walter.
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History proves that Walter is right; as Christians, we have every confidence that God will protect Israel: past, present and future.
tpellow says
“Hamas Offers a Hudna”
http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2014/07/16/hamas-offers-a-hudna/
Also:-
“Tactical Hudna and Islamist Intolerance”
http://www.meforum.org/1925/tactical-hudna-and-islamist-intolerance
Dora Kay says
Oh Israel, Wipe Hamas and Islamic Jihad off the face of the earth! The Lord God commands it of you.
alyn21 says
One would hope that Israel is not stupid enough to accept another truce.
Hamas must be destroyed. There is no other way. If Israel’s govt lets them off the hook again then Netanyahu needs to be replaced immediately.
Mayla says
I agree- Netanyahu has to take out Hamas. As I heard someone say once in England – turn the Gaza Strip into a tube station and then work your way to Iran and Lebanon. Yea- you can’t bomb them back to the Stone Age. Neanderthal man had more morals and ethics.
The rest of the world including the poor excuse for a president occupying the White House has to stand up to these people. That means give them no form; no special favors and deport them. I hear Pakistan and Iraq may have some openings. I believe japan won’t even t let these degenerates into the country. Good move.
Also pay no attention to the White House or U S state department or UN. Israel do what you must to defend yourself!
Tzipporah says
Since when does the loosing side get to make all the demands. Israel would be insane to consent to any demands as it would be appeasing and encouraging more terror attacks.
gravenimage says
Hamas, Islamic Jihad know they’re losing: reportedly offer 10-year truce
If this is true, it means that Hamas and Islamic Jihad know they’re losing. Islamic law stipulates that “if Muslims are weak, a truce may be made for ten years if necessary…
………………………….
Could be. But then there’s all this:
…want all crossings into Gaza opened, and an international airport to be opened in Gaza. The Rafah crossing is to be opened up to international traffic, under UN supervision, with international observers along the borders….
Other articles in the alleged proposal include the withdrawal of IDF tanks from areas they entered in Operation Protective Edge; a complete removal of the blockade on Gaza; an international sea port; no more flights by Israeli aircraft over Palestinian territory and expansion of the fishing zone to 10 km from the shoreline.
In addition, the terrorists demand that Israel release the terror prisoners who were freed in the Shalit deal and re-arrested in Operation Brother’s Keeper.
Other terrorist conditions: Israel will be obliged not to interfere with the activity of the Palestinian unity government, and industrial zones along the border will be rebuilt and renovated…
………………………….
But ll of the above are not just general perks—they are all things that would make if *much* easier for Hamas to wage violent Jihad Israel.
If Israel agreed, some of these policies would be easy to reverse if Hamas broke the treaty—but some, like building Gaza an airport with which they can import weaponry and fighters, would be *much* harder to revoke.
I hope Israel is smart enough not to bite.
And bravo to Israel—I hadn’t realized that they had been able to rearrest the terrorists released in the Shalit deal. Good for them!