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Islamic State’s caliph al-Baghdadi said to be severely injured, flees to Syria

Jul 5, 2014 2:46 pm By Robert Spencer

al-Baghdadi2If this turns out to be true, it will be a severe setback for the nascent caliphate — but with the Islamic State’s hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against it, surely not an unexpected one. Succession in the historical caliphates was often a haphazard and violent affair, and almost certainly will be in this case, if al-Baghdadi dies and his Islamic State holds together at all.

“Iraqi Isis Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ‘Severely Injured and Flees to Syria,'” by Vasudevan Sridharan, International Business Times, July 5, 2014:

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Sunni militant outfit Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis), is said to have been severely injured in the raging battle forcing him to flee to neighbouring Syria.

According to a report in the Iraqi news network Al Sumaria, the insurgent leader was injured during a raid led by Iraq’s Shiite-led security forces in the west of Anbar.

“The Iraqi security forces carried out an operation in the city of Qaim on the border with Syria based on accurate intelligence and with the help of the Air Force where the leader of ISIL, Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi was seriously injured,” said Haidar al-Shara, a representative of the international parliament in Iraq.

However, the report has so far not been independently verified. If confirmed, it will be a severe blow to the militant group which has been marching on several Iraqi cities.

The Iraqi official said: “After being hit, al-Baghdadi, with a range of elements of his organisation fled into Syrian territory because of its proximity to Qaim,” adding: “al-Baghdadi might be killed as a result of the severity of his injuries.”…

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Comments

  1. mortimer says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    • Wellington says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 4:33 pm

      Verily.

    • Gail Griffin says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 12:44 am

      I just won a buck. Gave it a month.

    • NDB says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 6:09 am

      Quando Omni Flunkus, Mortati

  2. Guy Macher says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Trouble in Islamic paradise? Quelle suprise!

    • Reality Check says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      The only kind of trouble I like hearing about! 🙂

    • Isabella says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 10:38 am

      Oui, en effet!

  3. Jaladhi says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    The rein of this caliph Baghdadi did bot last too long. But just like many other caliphs, his predecessors, he will be sent to Mo/allah’s brothel in the sky soon!!

    • Isabella says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 10:39 am

      Well said indeed!

      • Ron Goodman says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 1:00 pm

        Not that well said–it’s “reign”, not “rein”.

  4. Buraq says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Brilliant! Hope the clown dies!

    • Reality Check says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 3:29 pm

      There are too many clowns like him waiting in line, I’m afraid. 🙁

      In the Islamic world, the mother of the clowns is always pregnant.

      • John C. Barile says

        Jul 5, 2014 at 7:14 pm

        In the future EVERYONE will become Caliph–for FIFTEEN MINUTES. It will take a man of superhuman endurance to enjoy the Possessions of His Right Hand in such a prodigiously short time. Hey, Duh_Swami–here’s your chance!

  5. jewdog says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    It feels great to shake your fist, scream allahu al akbar and proclaim the next caliphate. The trouble is, not every cooperates. Sometimes they even shoot back, luckily.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 8:52 pm

      Nobody said running a startup is easy. I’m sure Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg went through their trying moments. And 80% of startups fail to turn a profit for the venture capitalists funding them.

      But let’s cross our fingers here about the bet Prez Barack Hussein has made on the potential of the Islam entrepreneurism, he praised Obama praised in the his apology speech in the great halls of the U of Al-Azhar. And he’s poured a lotta U.S. taxpayer dollars into al-Baghdadi’s arsenal. Now that times are tough, we must hold fast and see if our president’s vision will be realized.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 5, 2014 at 9:51 pm

        Alarmed Pig Farmer wrote:

        Nobody said running a startup is easy. I’m sure Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg went through their trying moments. And 80% of startups fail to turn a profit for the venture capitalists funding them…
        …………………………….

        Hilarious, APF! Of course, in the civilized West when we talk about a startup’s competitors “gunning for them”, we don’t mean it *literally*…

        • Peter Shearer says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 10:53 pm

          Hi APF. Hi G.I.

          APF you said “And 80% of startups fail to turn a profit for the venture capitalists funding them.”

          I hope you realize that Islam will only be successful once it abandons adventure crapitalism and becomes a not-for-Prophet enterprise.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 9, 2014 at 12:09 am

          Hi, Peter. So good to see you posting again!

        • Peter Shearer says

          Jul 9, 2014 at 10:53 am

          Thanx G.I. I’m glad to be back. I’ve missed everybody.

  6. CogitoErgoSum says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    I do not feel right wishing death upon anyone. If God still works miracles may He please do so now to do something that could change the world. My hope is that this man will undergo a near-death experience similar to the one so long ago that changed a similar scourge of the innocent into one of the greatest of all the followers of Christ. If Saul could become Paul……..then all things are possible.

    • john spielman says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 4:58 pm

      I agree completely!
      I do wonder about his muslim sincereity as he should be willing to die a “martyrs’s” death ( remember- we love death more than life) to qualify for the great bordello in the sky, unless he senses it’s all a lie from Allah(Satan to us nonmulsims) who is the world’s greatest deceiver and liar even according to islamic theology!

      • Jay Boo says

        Jul 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm

        Self defense demands that we do what is needed to survive in the meantime. The brutes of the world simply have no way to comprehend John 3:16. Their sociopathic worldview is tainted by an angry unknowable god whom they claim is all powerful and yet also needs their assistance.

        And yet if we go to the other extreme and quickly succumb to the temptation of taking pleasure at an evil person’s demise we set ourselves up for the Hollywood action hero myth that shooting all the bad guys is ‘The Solution’ and the ideology of Islam slithers away unscathed and unexamined.

        • Kevinr says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 4:49 am

          I don’t feel comfortable wishing death on anyone but I have no problem praying that God would oppose the wicked oppressors who do so much evil to others. As the scriptures say, those who live by the sword invariably die by it.

      • mortimer says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 9:08 am

        Hello John, I agree that Islam’s ‘Jannah’ is a bordello in the sky, but it’s also a pub.

    • Wellington says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 5:18 pm

      I agree with so much of what you say, CogitoErgoSum, but I have no hesitation at all wishing death upon the likes of all the Osama bin Ladens our there, like this turkey who is the subject of this article. I want death to come, and come very soon, for the truly evil people in the world. Too bad death didn’t come sooner for people like Lenin and Hitler. If it had, mankind would have been spared enormous suffering and useless waste of human life.

      As an intellectual exercise, wouldn’t you, if you could, go back in time and kill the likes of Marx, Lenin, Hitler and Stalin (Mohammed too) while they were young and before they made an impression on the world stage? I would. But I fear that the devout Christian would not.

      And herein lies a weakness of Christianity. I am aware of Christianity’s many strengths, and dearly would welcome every Muslim in the world waking up tomorrow a devout Christian, but Christianity arguably errs in the exact opposite direction that Islam does, to wit, it is destructively kind at times just as Islam is destructively unkind on innumerable occasions.

      • Jay Boo says

        Jul 5, 2014 at 6:31 pm

        Mercedes Smart Car Stopping Technology fake Hitler commercial
        featuring a child actor playing Hitler

      • wildjew says

        Jul 5, 2014 at 6:43 pm

        Wellington, you are not a good “Christian” if like King David you pray God will destroy your enemies.

        • John C. Barile says

          Jul 5, 2014 at 7:16 pm

          Christians pray the Psalms, too.

      • CogitoErgoSum says

        Jul 5, 2014 at 6:44 pm

        Hi, Wellington. Actually, I am not someone who thinks a person should keep turning the other cheek until nothing is left but a bloody pulp. I have only one additional cheek to turn and then, if the other guy does not stop hitting me, I WILL fight back. I don’t know about killing maniacs from the past like Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mohammad, etc. I suppose if I were angry enough I might be capable of killing almost anyone…..depends upon a variety of circumstances. When I think about all the bad people in the world and the injustices being done I also start to think about Peter and that sword he was carrying in the Garden of Gethsemane. Jesus should have known Peter had a sword… I think someone (Peter?) even presented a sword to Jesus on the table at the Last Supper. I sometimes think Jesus told Peter to put down his sword for the same reason He knew (and told) Peter that he would three times deny even knowing Jesus. Had Peter not denied Jesus or if all the Apostles would have come to fight for Jesus, Peter and every one of the others would have been killed or crucified and no one would have been left to carry on the work of Jesus. But Jesus was not saying never to carry a sword….maybe He meant just don’t rely on it to solve all your problems. I suppose sometimes my mind works in strange ways but all I can fall back on is that God works in strange ways too…. ways which I do not fully understand… so in the end it’s up to me to do just the best I can under the circumstances….and hope it is for the best.

        Additionally, discussing this makes me wonder about God letting Lucifer exist. Isn’t all the evil in the world ultimately God’s fault for letting Lucifer remain in existence? Couldn’t God have destroyed Lucifer and saved the world a lot of pain? But then again maybe God really still loves Lucifer and there is still hope for even the devil….because Lucifer was one of the most beautiful and favorite creations of God…once upon a time….and God can do all things and really hasn’t given up on Lucifer. Weird, eh? I know. Well, it’s difficult for me to explain it succinctly to anyone who thinks it’s all a fairy tale anyway….and also my theology may be a little….offbeat?. You know though, in a way, I am wanting this Caliph to die…..or rather, that the man that he is now will die and that he will be re-born with a totally different personality…..like St. Paul. I wish it could have been that way for the other monsters in history. It’s just how you want to look at it, I suppose. Think about it….and I’ll be glad to read what you have to say in reply. Best regards to you.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jul 5, 2014 at 7:05 pm

          A general comment
          in Reference to ” God works in strange ways too”

          The temptation to get even is such a temptation in everyone that I doubt that anyone is completely immune.
          As proof of this statement just note how television and movies make billions of dollars exploiting this emotion daily.

          On a practical note:
          It seems so counter-intuitive not to ‘get even’ at every opportunity and yet when we let go of that impulse the outcome is sometimes much more in our favor.

        • Wellington says

          Jul 5, 2014 at 7:33 pm

          Thank you for your reply, CogitoErgoSum. Ah, you will only turn one additional cheek——and then it’s OK to terminate? What would Jesus say about this? You see, one of the reservations I have about Christianity and its founder is that ambiguity attends upon so many of Jesus’s pronouncements. You’d think that when you’re talking about things like the meaning of existence, ultimate reality, proper conduct and the fate of mankind you could have been a bit clearer at times——-but I digress.

          I am completely non-religious; don’t possess a religious bone in my body. Indeed, I think all religions fairy tales, with one of them, Islam, a very evil fairy tale. Well, minus Islam here, fairy tales have their purpose and often serve mankind well. Christianity is such an example I submit. So is Judaism. Besides, both of these religions constructed an ethic about life which is beneficial overall to any society which adopts it (contra the Islamic ethic). A positive too is that Jewish and Christian suicide bombers are rather scarce.

          I don’t mean to make light here. What I ask of devout Christians is that they understand that I respect their religion and see far more positives to it than negatives. Still, though, I think it a fairy tale which has little to nothing to do with ultimate reality.

          In the larger scheme of things, a united front against the hideousness which is Islam is imperative——from Christians to Jews to Buddhists to Hindus to Sikhs to agnostics to atheists et al. Any disagreements I have with anyone but Muslims regarding spiritual matters is almost of no account, good for discussion and polite disagreement amidst a drink or two with, perhaps, a fine cigar, but nothing more. Well, after all, all but Muslims, speaking in the aggregate, can discuss theological differences (or the lack thereof) without threats.

          Hope you and yours are doing well this holiday weekend. Be assured, that any differences I have with you are of no matter compared to what we have in common. Take good care.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 5, 2014 at 10:01 pm

          Good post, Wellington.

          Hope you are enjoying the Independence Day weekend!

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 12:58 am

          Jay Boo, yes, the desire to get even with somebody is part of our natural desire for equality. But it can lead to an endless cycle of vengeance and revenge that can grow out of all proportion to the initial insult or injury. I see turning the other cheek as the nobler course of action. I’m willing to forgive (if not always forget) another person’s transgression against me if that person apologizes or if something was done to me unintentionally in the first place. And, no, Wellington, I don’t agree with being anybody’s door mat and I really don’t think Jesus intended to leave the impression that we should be door mats. Maybe I’m not as patient as some Christians may think I should be but I’m the one who’s going to have to explain myself at judgment time and I feel comfortable with what I’m thinking. I don’t believe I said it was okay to terminate somebody when fighting back but, yes, it is a possibility when one resorts to violence. But the person instigating the violence should be aware of that possibility and if he doesn’t want to face that consequence then he should leave me alone. I’ll do my best not to be the cause of another person’s death by being the one who doesn’t start violence but I won’t completely rule out becoming violent if I have no other option left to me in order to put an end to certain actions and behavior I consider threatening to my life or to the lives of those I love.

          I don’t expect everybody to think the way I do and I can understand your skepticism about religion of any kind. I am the captain of my soul and you of yours…… if you believe in such a thing as a soul. I’m okay with you thinking your own thoughts as long as I can think mine…….freely. It seems most of us posting here dislike Islam because it denies the individual certain rights that we believe everyone should have simply by way of being a human being. For that I will fight alongside those opposing this evil ideology of Islam and be proud of it. If that displeases my God He can do with me as He will. May we all live in peace….. but fight if we must with strength and honor.

        • voegelinian says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 1:29 am

          “I think it a fairy tale which has little to nothing to do with ultimate reality.”

          Fairy tales can have quite a lot to do with ultimate reality — such as those of the Brothers Grimm (unless one consigns matters of the heart and soul to the outer darkness of “metaphysics” where there is “non-existent” weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth…).

      • Transmaster says

        Jul 5, 2014 at 7:28 pm

        Actually Lenin was not that bad. He wanted Leon Trotsky to succeed him but Stalin who was pure evil murdered his way to the head of the Communist Party and took over. Trotsky fled to Mexico where he was assassinated in 1940. What I wish is that Byzantine ambassadors in the 7th century where more into killing potential enemies than paying the off in gold just think how different the world would be today if the Ambassadors had poisoned Mohammed instead, that was their favored way of assassination.

        • Wellington says

          Jul 5, 2014 at 8:06 pm

          Lenin was appalling. Under the czars, some 15 to 20 people would be knocked off by the czar’s secret police every year. Under Lenin, it was 15,000 per month——minimum. Lenin was a pathological loon imbued with Marxist idiocy, the ideology Joseph Conrad aptly termed “pernicious nonsense.”

          Lenin is one of the greatest tragedies of the past hundred years. He was even so foolish as to try to abolish the family. His policies were responsible for the death of some 5 million kulaks (even he had to admit defeat with his silly economic policies and that’s why he had to inaugurate the New Economic Policy (NEP), an ipso facto admittance of the failure of Marxist economics).

          He was execrable. Saying Lenin “was not that bad” is egregious. Read Paul Johnson’s assessment of Lenin in his magnificent work, “Moden Times.” If you do, you will never think of Lenin kindly ever again.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 5, 2014 at 10:15 pm

          Transmaster, I agree with Wellington here—Lenin himself was appalling—just because the sanguinary Stalin was as bad or worse does nothing to mitigate Lenin’s awfulness. Indeed, Lenin set a horrific path for Stalin to follow.

          I also tend to look askance at the idea that a Trotsky-led Soviet Union would have been some sort of Worker’s Paradise—I think it is easier for many Soviet apologists (I am not necessarily saying you are one) to blame Communist Russia’s viciousness on the actions of this or that individual, rather than see that this is part and parcel of hard-core Communism itself.

          The same has been asserted for Maoist China and every other Communist state.

          The fact is that the Soviet Union only became (somewhat) more livable after pure Communism had been quietly eased for a more hybrid system.

          Life in the Soviet Union from Brezhnev on was still grim and oppressive, but not quite the sanguinary horror it had been under “Uncle Joe” and pure Communism.

        • Reality Check says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 2:52 am

          One simply needs to look at Trotsky’s photo to run away screaming. The first time I saw it, his eyes gave me nightmares for a while:

          http://www.workerscontrol.net/system/files/Leo_Dawidowitsch_Trotzki.jpg

          I don’t think he would have made Russia a better place to live. He looks like a total fanatic to me. Yes, Stalin had him killed in the end but Commies are very much like Muzzies – by killing each other, they did a great favour to the people of the world.

        • Kepha says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 12:25 am

          I beg to differ. Trotsky’s sterling idealism was of the type that both fools people into admiring it and at the same time finds it easy to justify the most appalling crimes. He would’ve easily been a Russian Jewish Saloth Sar (Pol Pot).

          Never forget that the Gulag state got started under Lenin, who had the equally loathsome Feliks Dzerzhinsky running his Cheka.

          Don’t think I admire Stalin, for I don’t. I believe that the whole Marxist thing only showed that while nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come, that holds true for a very bad idea, too.

          The fact that the textbooks from which I’m obliged to teach high schoolers and the curricula I’m given treat Lenin as a fundamentally decent person is one reason why I introduce myself as a professional swindler of the young rather than as a teacher.

        • Transmaster says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 4:12 am

          I should say I am looking at things from the point of view a descendent of Ukrainian/Russian Germans that thanks to Stalin at least 20 million were systematically starved to death. Compared Stalin, Lenin wasn’t that bad.

      • Kepha says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 12:19 am

        Weakness of Christianity? I have a Quaker-ish friend who bemoans how today’s Christians (us Evangelicals, at least) are too supportive of the military and high defense budgets.

        OK, Wellington, if I went back to Bavaria in the 1920’s and saw Hitler speechifying and had a gun in my hand, maybe I could pull the trigger. Maybe, if I went back to 7th century Medina, and saw Muhammad waving his scimitar and crying for jihad and I had a loaded Uzi, I’d just see what would happen if I sprayed that so-called ‘prophet’ and his closest Ansar. If I were sent back to the Finland Station in 1917 and saw Lenin coming off the train, yes, I’d pull the trigger.

        But, let me throw the ball back into your court. Suppose you are back in Mecca late in the 6th century, and there is this little ragamuffin named Muhammad playing in the street. Suppose you got transported back into the 19th century, and there you find yourself in some Orthodox Church where the Ulyanov family is presenting newborn Vladimir Ilyich for baptism. Suppose you go back to that Austrian border town and see little Adolf Schickelgruber as a a schoolboy on his way home, eager to tell his mother that he just learned the multiplication table. Are you going to pull the trigger?

        And, here is a further dilemna I would face were I sent back to meet the young Muhammad, Lenin, Hitler, or Mao or whoever. If God were to allow Uncle Kepha to time travel (and I am assuming no angel visitant or special revelation, either) and, presumably, have the linguistic gifts I’d need to “fit in”, what might happen if I approach this young camel driver and tell him the Gospel of grace? Would I end up starting some early medieval Evangelical movement that, instead of taking up the swords, might spread up and down the Frankincense and Myrrh trails, then via dhow traffic on the monsoon winds to the Spice Islands and East Africa?

        Then what happens? The Iberian Christians do not have to “get around” a hostile Islam to find a trade route to the Indies. Europe loses an incentive to improve its shipbuilding and navigation; my continent does not get settled (remember, even if the Norse still island hop from the Faroes to Newfoundland, the Little Ice Age still sets in and interrupts the traffic from Norway to Greenland around 1200+)

        Or, I persuade a young Vladimir Ulyanov that Russia needs something far better and more profound than the murder of a Tsar, and I end up, perhaps, with the 19th century’s most profound theologian? But the socialist ideal continues to grow and fester; and it doesn’t get tried until a much more technologically advanced information age, in which it REALLY gets to play Big Brother rather than collapse just as the information age kicks off?

        Or, better yet, since we’re getting into modern times, I’m on a street corner in Sarajevo in the summer of 1914, see Gavrilo Princip skulking around, and raise a hue-and-cry. Archduke Ferdinand isn’t assassinated, World War I doesn’t start–and maybe our Western civilization goes on and on in a kind of Edwardian twilight smugness and self-satisfaction, stagnating that way. Hitler ends up a designer of housewares and mellows out when he finds that Jews are his best customers; or, perhaps, he becomes the William Booth of Central Europe…

        I, for one, believe that without the souring of secular hopes post-WWI and post-WWII when peace was “lost”, we might not have had a re-appropriation of the ideals of liberty and limited government that began in the 1950’s and ’60’s, and we might be mired in a kind of smug, stagnant, early 20th century progressivism.

        Offenses must come, but woe to him through whom they come. But let God bring about his judgments! Like the Assyrian of old, God raises up scourges for his chosen people (which, since 30 A.D., has been Christians, whether Jew or Gentile) when they lose sight of what they are supposed to be. God has guided history to this point for some reason that is for the good of those who love him (Rom. 8:28). It may not be clear to us now, but it will be made manifest in time. Of that I am certain.

        Also, your time travel scenario gets personal. I wouldn’t have been had not wartime employment brought my parents together, and WWII is inconceivable without the dictators. As for the scourge that is Islam, it may well be that the trajectory it set, not only in the lands it conquered but elsewhere, brought various groups of our ancestors together in the combinations necessary to make us.

        As it is, I pray that God would indeed let me love justice and kindness and walk humbly with him–after Micah’s saying. It sure beats trying to be a “superman” after Nietzsche, who died addled with syphilis and thinking a cart horse was his brother; or a follow-your-own-course Hemingway, who ended up fooled by Castro, then goes on to splatter his own brains all over his studio with a shotgun.

        Don’t worry about us, Wellington. An awful lot of the volunteers who came out of the woodwork of the South and Flyover Country in Sept.2001 were, as my Quaker-ish friend observed with dismay, Evangelicals. We Evangelicals, when sticking to our own faith, are not likely to see Muhammad as a prophet. it’s probably why both the Left and the Muslims demonize us.

        • voegelinian says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 1:32 am

          If I had a time machine, I would go back to Muhammad’s crib and suffocate Baby Muhammad with a pillow in a Constantinople Minute.

        • Peter Shearer says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 10:22 am

          Hi Kepha. I love this comment. It’s probably going to f*** up my brain for sometime to come but I love it nonetheless.

          You might consider thinking your questions through until you you get the ‘true’ answers. At that point you should write a sci-fi novel based on the answers. I suspect that novel would sell like hot cakes.

          One thing to think about is your comment: “I’d need to “fit in”, what might happen if I approach this young camel driver and tell him the Gospel of grace? Would I end up starting some early medieval Evangelical movement that, instead of taking up the swords, might spread up and down the Frankincense and Myrrh trails”

          I would suggest you might miss the real import of what you are asking. What I am driving at is what if Uncle Kepha in going back in time to talk to young Muhammad is the very trigger that leads to the rise of militant Islam because young Muhammad misinterprets everything you tell him about peaceful Christianity and consequently he becomes the monster we know about. In other words, if you had not gone back in time and ‘interfered’ with the timeline, history, as we know it would not have happened. This seems to be the most likely outcome of your visitation because we all know that Muhammad’s take on Christianity and Judaism was a croque, a complete misunderstanding. How did he get it so wrong (because Uncle Kepha went back in time)?

          Hopefully, you do decide to turn your musings into a sci-fi/historical fiction best seller. I for one would try my best to be the first on the block to buy a copy (autographed of course).

        • Wellington says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 10:55 am

          Fine response, Kepha, what with all those possibilities and scenarios written up well by you, though I would simply cut to the quick and say, hell yes, I’d kill the bastards I named while they were in their cribs if given the opportunity. No hesitation whatsoever.

          As for worrying about Christians, I don’t really, though I often feel a bit like a stranger in a strange land when around them. They sure do think (believe?) kinda’ funny from my perspective, but there’s much good in what they believe, they sure did a heap of civilization building and there have always been enough muscular Christians out there to mitigate any worries I might have have about the pacifist element that resides rather deeply in the Christian theological blueprint (contra Islam, eh?).

          As I wrote to CogitoErgoSum, be assured that my differences with Christians are as nothing compared to my differences with Muslims. As I also wrote to CSE, there is little I would welcome more than every Muslim waking up tomorrow a devout Christian. The world would be an almost infinitely better place were that to occur.

          Take care, my Christian friend and ally. Now back to the fight.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 4:03 pm

          Interesting musings, Kepha et al.

          I believe we need to act as righteously as possible *with the information we have*—none of us are omniscient and can know the repercussions of all of our actions.

          But then, I don’t believe we have to.

          Sure, defeating evil in one form can open up a vacuum that allows another evil to thrive—but I don’t believe that should stop us from acting to begin with.

          One can argue, for instance, that the defeat of Fascism opened up a way for Communism to spread.

          But I still don’t believe that the world would have been a better place if we *hadn’t* faced down Fascism seventy years ago.

          After the fall of the Berlin wall, there was a brief euphoria that democracy (and I mean this in the popular sense, *not* in the sense of mob rule) and freedom could flourish unopposed—before we realized that the Jihad terror that had been resurgent for the past thirty years or so was poised to get *a lot* uglier and more far reaching.

          Of course, we need to be as educated and well-informed as possible, and that very much includes considering the long-term outcome of any actions we undertake.

          But we cannot be paralyzed by indecision because we are unable to know what will follow a decade or a century or a millenium hence.

          The consequences of time travel may well be just an intellectual exercise, but there is, of course, plenty we can do in the here and now.

      • michele says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 12:48 am

        Well said!

      • JIMJFOX says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 5:50 am

        “Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.”
        ― Thomas Mann, The Magic Mountain

        For you religious types who have it ALL WRONG__

        The Bible says, “Hate that which is evil; cling to that which is good” (Rom 12:9) and “Let those who love the LORD hate evil” (Ps 97:10), but many people who claim to follow the Bible do not hate evil. Rather, even though they themselves may not commit evil deeds, they tolerate evil and those who practice it.

        • voegelinian says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 12:31 pm

          Yeah, there is a rather massive phenomenon of what could be called modern Christianity whose adepts and hangers-on seem to be under the delusion that various aspects of PC MC are essential parts of the Gospel. (This is not synonymous with, but likely does overlap, the phenomenon of various aspects of PC MC persisting in the hearts and minds of quite a few Jihad Watchers, whether they be Christian or not.)

        • Jay Boo says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 1:01 pm

          @JIMJFOX
          “Hate that which is evil; cling to that which is good” (Rom 12:9) and “Let those who love the LORD hate evil” (Ps 97:10)
          …………..
          I agree that we must not tolerate the ideology of Islam which is evil and we must defend ourselves but your logic takes a simplistic jump. I am not sure what you wish to offer as the solution.

          I notice that the bible quote you used does not say “hate ‘THOSE’ who are evil”

          Shortly before Jesus died on the cross he said,
          “Love your neighbor”
          I kinda think he meant it.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 1:11 pm

          JIMJFOX
          “For you religious types who have it ALL WRONG__”

          That lead in sentence sounds more like a generalized provocative proselyting for no religion than anything substantive or sincere,

          religious types have it “ALL WRONG” in all caps
          Yet you quote the bible
          My goodness I think I have discovered the whole point of your argument in those few words.
          ‘proselyting ‘

        • JIMJFOX says

          Jul 7, 2014 at 8:37 am

          “ALL WRONG” My bad- was meant to point out that ‘turn the other cheek’ is not the full story! That’s why I quoted bible verses; sorry to give the opposite impression.

          I do get carried away with anti-religious comments; Wellington says exactly what I mean to say but am not quite as eloquent as he. So many thanks, W.

      • Oliver says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 1:41 pm

        Sorry, but I don’t agree- every Muslim becoming a devout Christian.

        TOO MANY ” DEVOUT CHRISTIANS” were 9 and some still are) no better then Muslims.

        lest we forget-in history:

        the Crusaders- who killed Jews and Muslims, in greta numbers, “In the name of Jesus Christ”;

        The Spanish Inquisition, which led to the expulsion of jews from Spain and Portugal ( and Spain’s decline for about 450 or so yeas).

        The pogroms in Russia and other Eastern European nations, against Jews. (Through the 20th centurry).

        WW2– Hitler was a Catholic. Pope Pius XII BLESSED MUSSOLINI on his invasion ( for his invasion) of Ethiopia.

        Pope Pius XII NEVER USED HIS APAPL AUTHORITY TO SAY A THING ABOUT THE EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS.

        After WW2, The Vatican was (rumored and most likely true) the source of passports and visas etc. for the likes of Eichmann, mengele and others to escape to South America (most of which was and is Catholic).

        Beelgium 2014– Belgian nationals — (not Muslims, although they might-probably were-part of) mobs screaming to send Jews to the gas chambers.

        there are more examples, but this should prove my point.

        However, like (I believe it was Voltaire, but not as dramatic)- ( and not like most lefties—) I respect your views, and disagree with them, but feel that you, as well as I have the right to express the views, without fear of reprisal.

        Devout Christians like these are not needed.

        • Oliver says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 1:45 pm

          This was to ellington, who earlier said that he would like to see (paraphrasing) all Muslims become Devout Christians.

          Also, sorry for any typos.

        • Wellington says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 2:54 pm

          Oh please. You miss a lot but here’s the biggest thing you’ve missed: When Christians have acted badly in the name of their faith, they were violating the tenets of their religion. By contrast, when Muslims have acted badly in the name of their faith, they are ordinarily fulfilling the dictates of their religion. Huge difference. Couldn’t be any bigger.

          Also, some of your facts are plain wrong. Pius XII behind the scenes saved more Jews than any person in history——some 800,000. He knew if he spoke out regularly against Nazism he would be far, far less effective than clandestinely ordering the saving of hundreds of thousands of Jews (and non-Jews). For instance, he instructed the papal nuncio to France, Angelo Roncalli, the future John XXIII, to arrange for fake baptismal certificates to pass off French Jewish children as Christians. The distortion against Pius began only after his death in 1958. The despicable play, The Deputy, published by Hochhuth in 1963 started the lies about Pius’s silence (and he wasn’t always silent—–his Christmas message of 1942 infuriated Hitler). A silly book like Cornwell’s “Hitler’s Pope” furthered the defamation. And to call Hitler a Catholic, even though he was baptised one, is a distortion of the highest order. Hitler despised Christianity. One knows this or should know it. You don’t.

        • rev g says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 6:14 pm

          Now you are just confusing people by referring to facts. The facts are harder to find these days. Thanks for bringing them up.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm

          Oliver wrote:

          TOO MANY ” DEVOUT CHRISTIANS” were 9 and some still are) no better then Muslims.
          …………………………..

          Witless moral equivalency.

          The Crusades, brutal as they often were, were largely a military *reaction* to Muslim depredations.

          The idea that pogroms throughout the 20th century were led by the church in Russia is just bizarre—Russia spent most of the 20th century as the officially atheist Soviet Union. The church survived, but had very little power and *no* influence on the state.

          Hitler was baptized as a Catholic, but famously *despised* Christianity for failing to be a martial religion—he considered it “weak” and “flabby”.

          As Wellington notes, the Pope you excoriate actually *saved* more Jews than any other single individual—probably far more than he would have been able to save had he been more open in his opposition to the Holocaust.

          More:

          Beelgium 2014– Belgian nationals — (not Muslims, although they might-probably were-part of) mobs screaming to send Jews to the gas chambers.
          …………………………..

          The idea that this had no reference to Islam is pretty damned iffy. Here’s the incident:

          “Savagery in Antwerp: Protesters chant ‘Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas'”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/savagery-in-antwerp-protesters-chant-hamas-hamas-jews-to-the-gas

          Muslims and Muslim supporters, on both the left and the right.

          The fact is that antisemitism in Europe today is driven by islam, and virtually all the attacks on Jews have been by Muslims.

          More:

          there are more examples, but this should prove my point.
          …………………………..

          I’n afraid most of these examples just serve to show how weak this argument really is.

        • Oliver says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 11:14 pm

          Wellington,

          PLEASE DO NOT ISNULT ME. In no way am I implying (or mena to imply) tha tMuslims are any damn good.

          I think the best of them are thsoe that are dead (and even better , stillborn).

          I have had the (misfortune) in the past to try and do business with a few of them. They would sooner try and steal from a Columbian (cocaine) cartel then let a Jewish businessman (me) make some money. (The cartel-is believed- to have killed him; murder never found-I doubt the police looked very hard). ( I was a mortgage broker at the time;).

          As to Pius-will answer at a later time. You did nto repsond to the rest of my items. And, I left off the Westboro Baptist Church-although they hate everybody; and Gibson, although NOW he says his anti-semitism is behind him. Probably needs money –hsi ex-if I recall-took him for some $400,000,000.

          You, at least, are interesting and non insulting. One can respectfully disagree with you, it seems.

  7. sakina27 says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    May Allah SWT protect this pious brother and may the Islamic State of Iraq and Sham victorious and conquer the lands until there is no more fitna and religion is for Allah alone. Ameen!

    To all you spectators Islam is going to continue to be victorious and Muhammad PBHU will continue to be mentioned every second, no matter if you like it or not. How can a man who died over 1400 years be so relevant in today society, if not that be from God that he has honored him and kept him known. You disbeliever when one of you or your family member dies who remembers you after a week. Comment all you want about Islam the religion of dignity, beauty, morals, and strength.

    The United States a County known for its citizen to be labeled as baby mamas, transgender men and women walking around in public looking like fools, your Christian women in summer half naked with worn out bodies exposing everything except their private parts, your government a bunch of bethel satanic devil worshippers liars; enslaving it citizens with interest, taxes, fees, putting you on a 50 year retirement plan don’t be late or your fired. LOL

    So before you speak so ignorantly about Islam know your facts; As well as be honest eternally with yourself and realize wow Islam is amazing and there always something going on with this great and powerful people. Why am I just a loser, all I have is my dog and my bacon sandwich. I’m overweight because my government is trying to kill me with the unlimited food source, that has over 30 ingredients that keep causing me to get fatter, I have so many health issue and I have living, so why don’t I go online a talk as bad as possible about the beautiful Islam I don’t have anything else to do.

    • John C. Barile says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 7:28 pm

      Why, then, don’t you rush to Shams join your brothers -in-arms? You are one sick sister, girl.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      Worship of the ‘(all powerful)’ god of Islam is mandated by Islamic governments and religious leaders.

      Muslims must do their ‘duty’.
      Very revealing

    • Zaaphod says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 8:20 pm

      SWT = Sex With Transgenders

      PBUH = Pigs Be Upon Him

      • Huck Folder says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 1:20 am

        Pigs Best Umma Hump?

    • Vapourking says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 8:24 pm

      sakina 27.

      Comment all you want about Islam the religion of dignity, beauty, morals, and strength.
      That view is one that exists only in the delusional mind of a Muslim. The reality is none of those qualities exist in Islam. I only wish they did!!

    • Jack Diamond says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 8:48 pm

      The beauty of a good throat cutting, the dignity of a proper crucifixion, the morals of a gang rape, the strength of an honor killing of a defenseless girl or of the warrior who hides behind human shields after a sneak attack.
      But at least it keeps you slim.

      Thanks again for confirming the war against mankind that is Islam
      and, yes, I will have more bacon and an extra helping of fitna. Cheers
      from the County of the United States, here’s to Islam’s desolate future.
      p.s.
      is it nice to be a slave of Allah and never have to think again?
      no, let’s not delve into the psychological issues evident in your post, I’m too hungry.

    • Jan Fourowls says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 9:52 pm

      For all we know, sakina27 is really a Muslim male who beats his wife and orphaned child bride (up to four allowed) because the Quran tells him to.

      Spiritually sick men from any race might be drawn to Islam for its misogyny alone and promise of dominion. But if sakina27 is really female, then she suffers societal Stockholm syndrome and internalized misogyny. She’d consequently by her self-hatred also hate knowing the real Jesus of the Bible who was heralded by many including Anna the prophetess and who allowed a woman to anoint His head (the priestly function), stating that wherever the gospel is preached, what she did is to be told in memory of her. Matthew 26:7, 13; Mark 14: 3, 9; Luke 2:36-38.

      Even though churchmen and churches have not lived up to the example Jesus set, He said nothing ever at any time to relegate the majority of females, as does Islam (despite taqiyyah tokens), to subhuman status.

      Jesus had to be God come down to us. No mere mortal, but only one fully human and fully divine, could have taught and acted as He did. His human life occurred in the same part of the globe whose culture of ruthless imperial power-over dominance would later spawn ruthless man-made power-over Islam. And yet Jesus unlike Muslims and Mohammed never raised a sword against anyone.

      Jesus unlike Muslims refused to stone an adulteress, and His witness was so supernaturally powerful that an angry mob slunk away after He brilliantly said “he who is without sin, cast the first stone.” John 8:7 (paraphrase). No one did, because all have sinned — which they knew in His presence — with the sin of all a matter of degree along the spectrum of the lesser good like lukewarm Christianity to the greater evil like Islam in general. The really good news is being forgiven of sin and having Jesus as Savior to change us from the inside out.

      Other than Jesus, no man of His time or any other has so authentically loved women as well as men, boys as well as girls, so completely for the current world and all of eternity. (Even Gandhi took teen girls into his bed ostensibly to test his resolve not to have sex with them. Ew! http://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2013/10/gandhi-used-power-position-exploit-young-women-way-react-matters-even-today/)

      Only God could have behaved as Jesus Christ did, and only the real God would do no less.

      Islam and pseudo-prophet Mohammed persists, in my Bible-based opinion, because they hold office with the “prince of this world” (satanic force) over which Jesus will ultimately return (the second coming) as victor. In the meantime, you still have time to come to Jesus as your Savior from the sins of the world. My experience of the seemingly impossible with God, and the intangible joy to persevere in all things, along with the Bible proves it for me. Also the record of countless Christians who have relied heroically on God’s good supernatural power. E.g., http://www.charismanews.com/culture/41971-angelina-jolie-filming-movie-about-olympian-pow-redeemed-by-jesus; http://www.crosswalk.com/faith/spiritual-life/people-of-faith-harriet-tubman-1186786.html; http://www.tenboom.org/

      It is so hard for those of us with high analytical IQs and self-reliance to “come to Jesus.” Don’t I know, as a backslider during most of my adult years! When I despaired of Islam and the other horrors of the postmodern world and cried out to Jesus, “if you aren’t true than we’d need to invent you,” grace rushed in. Even the Bible verses my grandmother had taught me, and childhood hymns, returned to my memory.

      I share this not at all to push anybody for whom it’s not a fit, because freedom of and from religion are cherished principles. I share this only to encourage an open mind in case Jesus might have your answer, too, for all that human intellect and human plans alone cannot solve. And also because if you’re reading here, you’re already aware of what’s really going on as monstrous, seemingly inhuman evil sharpens the sword of Islamic jihad.

      Every blessing, because we shall overcome!

      • voegelinian says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 1:34 am

        “…and who allowed a woman to anoint His head (the priestly function)…”

        It was also a ritual consecrating kings.

        • Kepha says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 10:13 pm

          @Fourowls and Vogelinian: I’m impressed that you guys have a bit of good old Calvinist divinity under your belts!

          Anointing was also for prophets (note Elijah sent to anoint Elisha as his successor, as well as to anoint a King over Damascus).

          Hence, Jesus’ mediatorial work, for which he was anointed by the Holy Spirit above all others, was to serve as our prophet, priest, and king.

          And I weep that so many are misled by Islam to believe that a set of dead works may save them.

      • Mirren10 says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 5:45 am

        ” … who allowed a woman to anoint His head (the priestly function), stating that wherever the gospel is preached, what she did is to be told in memory of her. Matthew 26:7, 13; Mark 14: 3, 9; Luke 2:36-38. ”

        I thought it was his **feet** she anointed ?

        • Jay Boo says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 11:30 am

          Mirren10
          There is no one more nit-picky than voegelinian
          If Jan Fourowls comment had not been 100% correct voegelinian would have made note of it rather than agree.

          Maybe you are both correct
          peace

        • voegelinian says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 1:48 pm

          Matthew 26: 6-7:

          Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper,
          There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.

          This comes immediately after Jesus has been expounding “the kingdom” to his disciples in the preceding two chapters (indeed, 24:14 even refers to “the gospel of the kingdom”).

          The three pivotal moments of the life of Jesus have occasions implying an anointing: his birth, when the three Magi came to fall on their knees and worship him, bringing gold, frankincense and myrrh (the latter an unguent typically used for anointing); the crisis at mid-point after he expounded everything to his disciples and before his arrest; and after his death, when women brought spices and oils (same Greek word as used for the woman in Matthew 26:7) for his dead body in the tomb.

        • Mirren10 says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 3:04 pm

          John 12:1-8English Standard Version (ESV)

          Is this a different event, and a different woman ?

        • voegelinian says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 3:34 pm

          A good argument for tying the two moments of anointing together:

          http://www.christadelphianbooks.org/haw/sitg/sitgb59.html

    • Jax Tolmen says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 10:18 pm

      So…having lots of food is…a…bad thing? I suppose that would be some kind of expression of jealousy, since most Islamic countries are desert bound third world shit holes.
      I love bacon, I love it so much I just want to share it with you Muslims. There is a restaurant in your neighbourhood secretly feeding you Bacon – you can thank me later.
      Your grammar is appalling, so is your diction and syntax. People remember Mohammed because he forced them to, and then those people forced others etc. It will be a proud day for humanity when that name is forgotten forever.
      If you want to promote your misguided views here, it might be a good idea to learn how to write – then you can explain to all of us why you’re complaining to us about Islam, instead of campaigning against Jihadists. If they really are misrepresenting your religion, shouldn’t you be supporting us?
      That never happens, because all Muslims care about is themselves. You, and your people – make me sick. The victim card only works for so long princess.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 10:53 pm

      sakina27 wrote:

      May Allah SWT protect this pious brother and may the Islamic State of Iraq and Sham victorious and conquer the lands until there is no more fitna and religion is for Allah alone. Ameen!
      ……………………………………….

      “Until there is no more fitna (mischief, resistance) and religion is for Allah alone”—this may sound like general raving, but it is straight from Islamic texts—Qur’an 8:39.

      Qur’an Sura 8 is “Al-Anfal”—or “booty”. What other “holy book” would have a chapter on how to conquer and exploit your victims? God, I hate Islam.

      More:

      To all you spectators Islam is going to continue to be victorious and Muhammad PBHU will continue to be mentioned every second, no matter if you like it or not. How can a man who died over 1400 years be so relevant in today society, if not that be from God that he has honored him and kept him known.
      ……………………………………….

      The sanguinary Muhammed is only “relevant in today society” because his bloody followers are just as savage as was this Dark Ages war lord.

      MoreL

      You disbeliever when one of you or your family member dies who remembers you after a week.
      ……………………………………….

      What idiocy—this Muslimah is confusing love and respect with *infamy*.

      Great philosophers and religious thinkers, writers, giants of the Renaissance and Enlightenment, the Founding Fathers of the United States and great leaders like Churchill have done much for human happiness—all Mohammedans have brought is misery, pain, and death.

      More:

      Comment all you want about Islam the religion of dignity, beauty, morals, and strength.
      ……………………………………….

      What could be more indicative of that “dignity, beauty, morals, and strength” than Muslims raping Christians who cannot afford their crushing Jizya, burning churches and even other-sect mosques, crucifying and beheading their enemies, and lining the streets of their newly-conquered cities with those heads?

      For any sane and decent person, this doesn’t sound like “dignity, beauty, and morals”, but *savagery, ugliness, and evil*.

      More:

      The United States a County known for its citizen to be labeled as baby mamas, transgender men and women walking around in public looking like fools, your Christian women in summer half naked with worn out bodies exposing everything except their private parts…
      ……………………………………….

      Even if this ludicrous caricature were factual—which it *is not*—it would not be anywhere near as unhealthy as the dystopian horror this pious Muslim is creating with his “Caliphate”.

      More:

      …your government a bunch of bethel satanic devil worshippers liars; enslaving it citizens with interest, taxes, fees, putting you on a 50 year retirement plan don’t be late or your fired. LOL
      ……………………………………….

      Last I checked, the IRS wasn’t *raping and murdering* anyone who failed to pay their taxes.

      The fact is that Islam is *far* more draconian than even the most socialist of states in the West.

      It is only Muslims who “do well”—by extortion and enslavement of any Infidels who are unable to escape them—or who they do not slaughter outright on their way to their “ideal” Caliphate. *Ugh*.

      More:

      So before you speak so ignorantly about Islam know your facts; As well as be honest eternally with yourself and realize wow Islam is amazing and there always something going on with this great and powerful people.
      ……………………………………….

      And what ends to be “going on” with this “great and powerful people” is terror, theft, and mass murder—nothing good. I think the word sakina was looking for is “appalling”, not “amazing”.

      And the fact is that the more one learns about Islam, the more sickening and horrifying it proves to be.

      More:

      Why am I just a loser, all I have is my dog and my bacon sandwich..
      ……………………………………….

      Typical. Never mind that we also have the freedom to marry for love, to follow our own conscience, and live as decent human beings, not as vicious “slaves of Allah”.

      More:

      I’m overweight because my government is trying to kill me with the unlimited food source…
      ……………………………………….

      Actually, the “Palestinians” are some of the fattest people in the world. That’s what too much “Jizya” will get you…

      But if Muslims are left to their own devices, the *last* thing they will have to worry about will be “unlimited food sources”—the natural condition of the Muslim state without unearned oil wealth or Western foreign aid and charity is *starvation* and want…

      • Jay Boo says

        Jul 5, 2014 at 11:15 pm

        gravenimage
        ref to:
        ““Until there is no more fitna (mischief, resistance) and religion is for Allah alone”—this may sound like general raving, but it is straight from Islamic texts—Qur’an 8:39.”
        ————-

        Also mentioned in verse 5:33
        right after the famous (infamous) peaceful verse
        Whoever kills one … blah blah blah

        Answering Muslims David Wood
        http://nocompulsion.com/still-think-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace-you-wont-after-seeing-this/

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 12:17 am

          and verse 2:191 “al-fitnah is worse than killing” meaning “what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing…disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path.” (Ibn Kathir). All this is worse than murdering you.
          2:193 “Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah.”

          Al-fitnah refers to testing or trial. Anything that might turn a Muslim from Islam or cause discord among Muslims is variously translated as mischief, corruption, oppression, persecution or war against Muslims.

          Ibn al-Atheer said: “Fitnah: trial or test… The word is often used to describe tests in which something disliked is eliminated. Later it was also often used in the sense of sin, kufr (disbelief), fighting, burning, removing and diverting.” (al-Nihaayah, 3/410. Ibn Hajar said something similar in al-Fath, 13/3).

          “Blocking the way and turning people away, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “but beware of them lest they turn you [yaftinooka] (O Muhammad) far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you” [al-Maa’idah 5:49] Al-Qurtubi said: this means blocking your way and turning you away.

          Persecution, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
          “Then, verily, your Lord for those who emigrated after they had been put to trials [futinoo] and thereafter strove hard and fought (for the Cause of Allaah) and were patient, verily, your Lord afterward is, Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [al-Nahl 16:110]
          Put to trial means persecuted.

          Shirk and kufr, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
          “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allaah)” [al-Baqarah 2:193]
          Ibn Katheer said: this means shirk (worshipping others besides Allaah).

          (also) Falling into sin and hypocrisy; Confusing truth with falsehood; Misguidance; Difference among people and lack of agreement; Insanity…
          http://islamqa.info/en/22899 “Meanings of the word fitnah”

          All this is worse than murdering you.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 1:25 am

          @Jack Diamond
          Muslims are so insecure about other Muslims leaving Islam.

          And then to prove just how powerful the great all powerful Allah really is they go on a killing frenzy shouting Allahu Akbar to give Allah all the credit.
          Did I forget to mention Allah must be so modest to allow Muslims to do all this killing for him, not that Allah needs any help of course.

          Toto, please pull back the curtain and unveil this Wizard of ‘Iz’

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 5:00 pm

          Jay Boo and Jack, I believe that Qur’an 8:39 is the most direct reference, but you are quite right that it is hardly the only one.

        • Jay Boo says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 5:19 pm

          gravenimage
          I am sure you are correct. They only reason I mentioned 5:33 is to illustrate just how duplicitous the Qur’an is.
          5:32 is a CAIR favorite but as David Wood mentions when they quote it the leave out the context of (Israel) and they never continue onto the very next verse.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 11:06 pm

      @sakina27
      Idol worshipping Muslims insult God when they bow down to a lifeless pagan temple in Mecca and recite useless prayers five times a day.

    • Himalayan Pony says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 5:05 am

      @sakina27 – Just go to
      historyofjihad.com and read why even after 1400 years Muhamed is remembered. It is only out of fear that the cult-members have…But the Bible says: ” For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”II Timothy 2:17… If I were you, I would come out of this cult. It is not good for your spirit / soul, believe me. Look at yourself: you think overeating or wearing skimpy clothes are worse than murder. Something is awfully wrong, don’t you think?

    • Angemon says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 5:26 am

      sakina27 posted:

      “Why am I just a loser, all I have is my dog and my bacon sandwich.”

      You’re a loser because of islam. Oh, and you better share your bacon sandwich with your dog. In fact, let him have all of it, it might help with your weight issue.

    • John Haller says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 5:58 am

      And all you are able to swallow is the vile Ideology you were force fed from the time of birth. Wake up to life girl, renounce the STD Islam and start thinking for yourself.

    • Oliver says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 1:50 pm

      Sakina,

      MOSES led th Israelites out of Egypt OVERTHREE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED ( 3,300) YEARS AGO.

      His work (THE HOLY TORAH) is still read- WORLDWIDE.

      That predates Mo and hsi killing machines by 1,900 years.

      So, your comment –died 1400 years ago– blah blah blah– so what.

      Enjoy bacon, and remember, as a woman, in Islam, you are probably valued somewhere below a goat, sheep or camel.

      And, if you become a martyr -you don’t get 36 or even 18 studs. (A woman is worth 1/2 to 1/4 of a male –so if a male martyr gets 72 virgins, a female should get at least the 18 to 36, but have never heard that, so you probably will have to go back to the vibrator.

    • JIMJFOX says

      Jul 7, 2014 at 8:28 am

      Sakina 27

      “I’m overweight because my government is trying to kill me with the unlimited food source, that has over 30 ingredients that keep causing me to get fatter, I have so many health issue”

      POOR BABY! Muslims are ‘the best of peoples’- best at whining and blaming anyone but themselves; psychologists call this the “external locus of control” and it’s a major part of muslim brainwashing. BUT, Sakina you seem to forget it’s the JOOOOS who are to blame for your obscene obeseness, not you or America!

  8. Beagle says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    I have seen quite a few stories claiming dead or injured jihadis turn out to be false up to years later.

    The Shia Iraqi government wants this to be true so badly I am skeptical.

  9. Keith says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    Hope it’s true couldn’t happen to a nicer man

  10. Oliver says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    I would hope that MANY of his followers were also severly wounded OR EVEN BETTER, killed.

    The less terrorists, the better.

  11. Know Thy Enemy says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 5:40 pm

    Sincere question to whoever can answer –

    What is the difference between a ‘Caliphate’ and ‘Islamic State’?There already are quite a few Islamic States in the world, e.g. Brunei, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc. Are these states ‘Caliphates’?

    Is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan a Caliphate?

    Thanks in advance.

    • Beagle says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 6:13 pm

      The last Caliphate ended with the Ottoman Empire. A Caliph claims to lead the entire ummah, not merely one nation state. The Caliph declares offensive jihad. No more whining and lame rationalizations for jihad needed.

      Pre-Ottoman caliphs ruled from Baghdad. No surprise the latest upstart caliph wants to associate himself with and conquer Baghdad.

    • voegelinian says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 1:43 am

      “States” are a Western invention. Islam has no “states” or “nations”. The 56 nations currently deemed by Muslims to be Islamic were all artificially created by the West (through Colonialism then in the 20th century process whereby the West was dismantling its own Colonial structure for a new configuration in the wake of the two world wars). When the West was drawing all these boundaries, they weren’t just making stuff up, of course; they often took into account regional cultural & tribal differences. But still, the political entities they created were not Islamic, and Muslims only acquiesced because of the extraordinary state of geopolitical weakness they had dwindled to by the early 20th century.

      Classical Islam has no “states” or “nations”, but it did have its own political taxonomy, including “Emirates” and “Sultanates” and, of course, the supreme category of the “Caliphate”.

      • Know Thy Enemy says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 4:28 am

        Thank you Beagle and voegelinian. I am still fuzzy regarding a few things, for example, how will the Islamic States, Brunei for example, interact with the new Caliphate, but I am sure it will all become clearer over time.

        This al-Baghdadi Muhammadan zombie has made things very interesting!

        • Know Thy Enemy says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 4:30 am

          *states

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 5:26 pm

          Know Thy Enemy wrote:

          Thank you Beagle and voegelinian. I am still fuzzy regarding a few things, for example, how will the Islamic States, Brunei for example, interact with the new Caliphate…
          ………………………………

          While the reinstitution of the Caliphate is a goal for all pious Muslims, KTE, that doesn’t mean that most Muslims are going to recognize the newly conquered polity in eastern Syria and western Iraq as that new Caliphate—and, more importantly, many are not going to recognize Al-Bagdadi as the new Caliph.

          The Muslim world has *always* been riven by violent struggles for power—this started pretty much as soon as “the Prophet” shuffled off the mortal coil.

          Most of the first “Rightly-Guided Caliphs” were assassinated.

          Since in Islam “leaders” are bloody war-lords, there is nothing to stop other Muslim thugs from seizing the reins of power.

          In fact, most pious Muslims reject elections outright—the only Islamic succession of power *is* by bloody seizure.

          So only time will tell whether the sanguinary mess in Mesopotamia will be recognized as the new Caliphate—but I think we can be sure, whatever happens, that Al-Bagdadi will not be the last to jockey for Caliph in the coming years.

          As for figures like the Sultan of Brunei, he could end up rejecting the legitimacy of the new Caliphate and officially ignoring it, paying tribute to the Caliphate if it comes to be widely recognized, or even find his Sultinate absorbed into the Caliphate if it becomes strong enough; in which case he could either be deposed or else rule as a local official appointed by the Caliph.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 5:36 pm

          I should add as an addendum that even during the height of power of the last Caliphate—the Ottoman Empire—that there were many Muslim states that were beyond the reach of its power, and were independent (or as “independent” as Muslim states ever get).

          The Muslim vision of a completely unified Caliphate which all Muslims belong to hasn’t really existed since the earliest days of Islam.

  12. Mirren10 says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Well, this is just ironically hilarious. Islam is, as islam does, indeed. Over and over again. 🙂

    However, no doubt another ‘caliph’, imbued with the self same hubris, will rise from the ashes. What a load of self-deluded fools they are.

    Of course, the problem was, this idiot stuck out his neck, too fast, and too far. He should have known mohammedans are only interested in the ‘strong horse’.

    Har-de-har ! 🙂

  13. wildjew says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    “…..but with the Islamic State’s hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against it….”

    Looks like a quote from a part of the Bible (except for “wild” Jews and Christians) Jews and Christians do not take as marching orders today.

    • John C. Barile says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 7:19 pm

      It’s that the imagery used to describe Ishmael in the Book of Genesis?

      • John C. Barile says

        Jul 5, 2014 at 8:25 pm

        Isn’t that the same imagery?

    • Kepha says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 12:32 am

      This Christian accepts every jot and tittle of the Old and New Testaments as the Word of God. As for “every man’s hand against him and his against every man”, that was a description of the seed of Ishmael; not a command for those under God’s covenant to follow.

      Yes, I thank God he led me to be a Christian fundamentalist.

      • Jay Boo says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 1:30 am

        “accepts every jot and tittle of the Old and New Testaments as the Word of God.”

        Kepha , Is that really possible?

      • voegelinian says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 1:46 am

        Ironically, Muslims consider themselves to be descendants of Ishmael.

  14. John C. Barile says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Still, what if Abu Du’a al-Baghdadi lives? And returns to his jihad? That, plus renewed successes could make this nascent Caliphate exceedingly hard to uproot.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 9:51 pm

      Let Muslims have their Caliphate after we rescue all the infidels there.
      Then, Muslims will only have themselves to hate.

      golden-rule-of-islam
      http://www.faithfreedom.org/golden-rule-of-islam/

  15. Jay Boo says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    OBAMA $500 million money laundering ?

    How is that 500 million that Obama asked for ‘moderate Syrian rebels’ coming along?

    Is it just a coincidence that this is the same amount stolen from Iraqi banks?

  16. rev g says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    He will be just fine, fortunately it was a gaping head wound, so nothing really got damaged.

    • John C. Barile says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 8:12 pm

      Funny, very funny.

  17. epistemology says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    Call me old-fashioned, but I like it when they kill each other. I don’t like blood stains on my hands. Let the muzzies do the dirty work and eliminate themselves and find their 72 virgins or grapes in paradise, whatever.

    • voegelinian says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 1:51 am

      Trouble with that idea is that Muslims have been killing each other for 1400 years. It seems unlikely that our problem with them will be solved by some unprecedented transformation of their perennially internecine nature.

  18. The Vilest Of Creatures says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    Just saw this video by the YOUNG TURKS about caliphates..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3-0yYRMPpI&list=UU1yBKRuGpC1tSM73A0ZjYjQ

    What a crock of s***

    This guy, Cenk Uygar, a fat Turkish guy who claims to be an ‘atheist’, (doubt that he ever REALLY shed his Muslim skin -except his foreskin) is pushing to everybody what models of tolerance, multiculturism and enlightenment the Islamic Caliphates of Spain and the Ottoman Empire were! – All because some Muslim wrote a book about it! UNREAL what passes for intelligent discourse from leftist Islamic apologists!

    He ALSO went on to talk about how tolerant, ESPECIALLY TO JEWS the Prophet Mohammed was..

    Robert…

    I think you should have that as one of your featured stories here on Jihad Watch! I would love to see you DESTROY that smug fat Islamic clown. (he’s derided you on many occasions), I know, you probably don’t want to allow the guy to become relevant.

    Somebody should at least go onto their comments section and destroy him with the truth!

    • voegelinian says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 1:55 pm

      Yes, Cenk Uygur is quite palpably and unctuously doing stealth jihad (though of course undetected by the vast majority of Western idiots). He has been building quite an influential news network emanating from YouTube — a canny career move, while mainstream news continues to try to hang on to its dinosaur template of a previous century.

      Oh, and Cenk’s airhead female co-host, Ana Kasparian, is of Armenian Christian background: i.e., she’s a Dhimmette.

      • The Vilest Of Creatures says

        Jul 7, 2014 at 1:33 pm

        Yes, Miss Kasparian’s presence on the show is no doubt an attempt to give the appearance of credibility.

        The name “Young Turks” is taken from the Ottoman political group that seized control of the government in 1908 and went on to perpetrate the Armenian Genocide, as well as the slaughter of Greeks and Assyrian Christians in the empire. Mr. Uygar is a outright DENIER of the Armenian Genocide. I hope Miss Kasparian is proud of herself for consorting with those who raise tribute to the slaughterers of her people 100 years ago, and those who deny it happened in 2014. No amount of money could allow me to betray my ancestors that way.

  19. gravenimage says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    Islamic State’s caliph al-Baghdadi said to be severely injured, flees to Syria

    Succession in the historical caliphates was often a haphazard and violent affair, and almost certainly will be in this case, if al-Baghdadi dies and his Islamic State holds together at all…
    …………………………

    This is *very* true. Despite the widespread—virtually universal—goal of a Caliphate by all pious Muslims, and nostalgia for the last Caliphate of the Ottoman Empire, the truth is that Caliphates were riven with assassinations, palace intrigues, and revolts.

    For instance, the Arabs—some of the very same people idolizing the Caliphate today—could not wait to rebel against the hated Ottoman Turks.

    So much of the opposition to Al-Bagdadi is *not* opposition to a Caliphate in principle—it is just opposition by Muslims who would prefer to be running that Caliphate themselves…

  20. Lawrence Kelley says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    The Bible says: When the wicked perish, the righteous rejoice.
    Hallelu-Yah, Hallelu-Yah.
    What a three-stooge religion.
    Muslims in the Mideast are worse than wild dogs.

  21. Jan Fourowls says

    Jul 5, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    Non-sexual Love and Islam Cannot Co-Exist:

    Every father who loves his daughter, every brother who loves his sister, every husband who loves his wife even when he’s not sleeping with her, every uncle who loves his niece, every grandfather who loves his granddaughter needs to see this before ceding even one inch to the misogyny of Islam:
    http://www.mypracticalphilosophy.com/jihadpages/women.htm

    Whenever I think I know how bad Islam really it, I learn it is even worse.

    • Jan Fourowls says

      Jul 5, 2014 at 10:35 pm

      Part of the “even worse” about Islam and the link above (…jihad pages/women) is how many of the Youtube video proofs have been subject to what I surmise is Islamic stealth-jihad take-down taqiyyah tactics in derogation of free speech under the US Constitution. See, e.g., implication of http://www.americanfreedomlawcenter.org/contact/

      Seriously, Islam, the Quran, and Mohammed are the devil’s own, and I say that as a Christian who would like to believe the best about everybody but as to Muslims simply cannot in good conscience based on the facts. Islam by its record is an abominable scourge of this earth, and I pray virtually without ceasing in the name of Jesus Christ that people’s eyes be opened about it and that non-Muslims be delivered from it by the real Almighty God (nothing like “Allah”) who can only hate Islam for its palpable evil.

  22. tpellow says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 3:59 am

    “ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi breaks cover and tells followers ‘we like killing our enemies'”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-3817935#ixzz36fnFwv54

  23. Ivan Bogdanov says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 9:57 am

    All sheep poster on site must stop bleating and pay attention. Is why Ummah will soon bless new Caliphate because so manys kuffar is sheep. This is false flag story. This is not Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The new blessed Caliph is too Holy for the picture is taken.

    Most important question ask how is behind false flag?

    More Later….

    • Jay Boo says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 10:38 am

      Idol worshipping Muslims insult God
      when they bow down to a lifeless pagan temple in Mecca and recite useless prayers like bleating sheep five times a day.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 10:40 am

      Muslim Stone worshipers

    • Angemon says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 6:19 pm

      Is it just me or is crazy ivan here trying to mix up brian and rezali?

  24. Jack Diamond says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 9:58 am

    “Allah likes us to kill his enemies and make jihad,” he bellowed.
    Ain’t it the truth.

    Here is the fulls speech with translation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxawa6VnSTM

    Highlights:
    “Ramadan is a month to wage Jihad. When the Prophet made armies to fight enemies of God… Allah said ‘I have not created the human and the jinn except to worship me'” (have to include the demons)

    The core of his sermon is hardly a hijacking of Islam:
    “Allah has ordered us to fight his enemies and wage Jihad for him to establish his religion. Allah said ‘I have ordered you to fight (for Islam) even though you do not like it. He said ‘And fight them so there is no discord and this religion is for all people to adopt in their life for Allah..’ Oh people the religion of Allah cannot be established (as the reason for our creation) except with the Sharia.

    “This is the foundation of our religion, a book that guides and a sword that leads to victory. Your mujahideen brothers have been bestowed upon by Allah to achieve victory. He (Allah) has enabled them after years of battling the enemies of Allahm he enabled them to achieve their aims. So they struggled and announced the Caliphate and chose an Imam (an obligation). This is obligatory for all Muslims! An obligation lost for centuries and overlooked (ignorantly) by Muslims! If you knew the rewards and dignity of Jihad on earth and after death then all of you would have waged Jihad. For Jihad is the job that Allah has commanded, he made it honorable, there is no disgrace in Jihad. Dedicate yourself to Allah and his prophet, wage Jihad using your wealth and yourself for the sake of Allah. It is for your benefit if you only knew. ”

    The biggest objection among Muslims to IS (or Al Qaeda previous) is that they target other Muslims, not that they target the kafir. That they are takfiri (pronounce other Muslims apostates) or that they are a khawarij sect for that reason (or therefore are agents of Zionist/American conspiracies to divide Muslims and cause fitna–would that were true). Just keep in mind, it is never 9/11s they will object to.

    teeth

    • Jack Diamond says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 11:18 am

      “teeth”…had started to write about der caliph publicly cleaning his teeth before the speech and didn’t erase it all. perhaps IS has a toothpick/miswak product ad in the works to go with their t shirts and designer car bombs. They will be employing a big US PR firm soon soon, I’m sure, like the PLO, Saudis, Qatar….

  25. Peter Shearer says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 11:16 am

    So, Allah wouldn’t protect his brand-spanking-new murderous Caliph?

    Just goes to show that from time to time even Allah can be most merciful and most just; but, as the age-old arabic saying goes “Even a blind squirrel sometimes finds an acorn”.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 6:09 pm

      So good to see you posting, Peter! Hope you and yours are well.

      • Peter Shearer says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 10:40 pm

        G.I.! Thank you.

        Yup, doin’ pretty swell. Thanx for asking.

        I’ve missed you and the rest of the J.W. gang but I do lurk in from time to time to make sure you guys are doing your job. Judging from this post’s content you guys must be workin’ overtime. I suggest that Robert raise your stipend from nothing once a month to nothing twice a month. Over the long haul he will not regret that decision.

        I hope you and all the Images (graven or otherwise) are doin’ swell and that they continue to do so always.
        Take care & talk to yah soon G.I. Actually sooner than I thought, I just remembered that I had a comment to make to you and APF somewhere above.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 11, 2014 at 12:15 am

          Thanks, Peter.

          I’m doing well. Just a bit too busy—in a good way—with my artwork. But I definitely want to get back to doing Anti-Jihad work.

          Those Muhammed cartoons won’t draw themselves…

        • Peter Shearer says

          Jul 11, 2014 at 1:19 am

          Glad to hear you are still doing your art, G.I. Hopefully, that means you will one day find the time to make T-Shirts with one of your art pieces on it. The piece I am thinking of is titled: “I am a Terebinth Tree”. I may not have the title exactly right but hopefully it rings a bell.
          Anyway, if you ever do this let me know. I want to be the first on my block with an official G.I. T-shirt.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 11, 2014 at 11:40 pm

          Thank you, Peter. That would be “I Am A Gharkad Tree”—and yes, I would like to do a t-shirt someday:

          http://s478.photobucket.com/user/gravenimageartist/media/gharkad.jpg.html?sort=3&o=5&_suid=1405136304331023133422224782407

        • Peter Shearer says

          Jul 12, 2014 at 9:10 pm

          Thanx for the link G.I. The painting is even more beautiful than I remembered it to be. Sooooo, double good luck on the T-Shirt idea.

  26. tpellow says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    “Isis leader al-Baghdadi Mocked for Wearing ‘Rolex’ Whilst Preaching Jihad”

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-leader-al-baghdadi-mocked-wearing-rolex-whilst-preaching-jihad-1455534?

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 6:14 pm

      Actually, I see nothing “un-Islamic” about this at all. Ravening Mohammedans have always displayed their ill-gotten gains.

  27. R. Craigen says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    He fled to Syria??!

    But, but, but …

    He just told muslims worldwide to “seek death” !

  28. Wellington says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    As usual, gravenimage, we are in accord on this thread as on so many others. Poor ole’ Oliver is, as you noted, drowning in moral equivocalism, never mind significant factual inaccuracy. I rate his prospects only fair to poor for any real kind of recovery.

    I detect we are in so many ways alike, my friend. I don’t think you religious, as I certainly am not. And yet you, as I, see no harm in Christianity, indeed we acknowledge mostly strong points where this religion is concerned.

    And the enemy of enemies of our time remains——-Islam in all its hidden warpedness and deceit. Fluid times, no doubt. Seems man always has to deal with one kind of turd or another while it, in fits, advances. Well, I nominate the turd du jour to be Islam. What a drag it is, no?

    Take good care, my California friend. Your posts are some of the best that JW has. I welcome many more. So long for now.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 6:16 pm

      Wellington posted:

      “Poor ole’ Oliver is, as you noted, drowning in moral equivocalism, never mind significant factual inaccuracy.”

      We seem to be having a few different flavours of those lately. I suspect they’re damage-controlling and fishing for “casuals” – people not very islam-savvy who might be overwhelmed by the tenets of islam and will take something along the lines of “christians are bad too, look at the crusades” over the ugly truth of islam and jihad.

      • Wellington says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 7:07 pm

        True, Angemon. The tu quoque reasoner, like Oliver, invariably makes the truth more elusive even though all the while thinking he is elucidating the truth. Unfortunately, those weak of mind or knowledge are, as you indicated, quite susceptibe to such falacious thinking.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 10:46 pm

      Wellington & gravenimage
      I would just like to take a moment to compliment you both on handling oliver’s nonsense with such skill.
      I am sure that I may have missed some other good postings of yours and others here from time to time while skimming especially the longer postings but I am never disappointed when I stop upon such writing as the follow-up to oliver.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 11, 2014 at 12:45 am

        Thank you, Jay Boo. I always look for your posts, as well.

    • Oliver says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 11:40 pm

      IF I appeared to say moral equivilency, it was not what I menat.

      What I meant ( and mean) is Christians and Christianity IS NOT all good–although hundreds (or more) times better then Islam.

      RE”: pogroms- the Church might have been “powerless” but the pogroms were carried out by people (?) who were not party apatchniks. I believe the per-cent of the people in the old Soviet Union who were party members was something like 10-15%. The country might have been “officially” athiest, but the people believed.

      As to Belgium–I have acquaintances who ahve relatives there, who have said that while Muslims influence the anti-semitism, ther eis much that is non Muslim, just hatred and jealousy. (Of Jews).

      I spent 3 1/2 years in a Catholic University, and had more then one priest say anyone born a Catholic and Baptized as one is always a Catholic, even if he or she leaves the faith. (This was before and during vatican Ii in the 1960’s).

      The Crusades-if against Muslim whatever-why did they torch (20-21st century term) synagogues and other Jewish instutions, such as schools?

      I agree Islam is a blot on humanity, and if it is erased, the world would be a better place.

      I think a great thing for the Muslism to show who si a true Muslim would be a Civil War to WW1 type of battle–each side lines up (an about equal number of anal pores-say 20-25,000) and has a fight to the death. And may they both succeed; but when one side or the other or both are down by 75% or so, stop and regroup to full strength. Send the wannabe Jihadists from the US, Canada, Britain, etc.

      Woudl help the gene pool immensely.

    • Oliver says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 11:40 pm

      IF I appeared to say moral equivilency, it was not what I menat.

      What I meant ( and mean) is Christians and Christianity IS NOT all good–although hundreds (or more) times better then Islam.

      RE”: pogroms- the Church might have been “powerless” but the pogroms were carried out by people (?) who were not party apatchniks. I believe the per-cent of the people in the old Soviet Union who were party members was something like 10-15%. The country might have been “officially” athiest, but the people believed.

      As to Belgium–I have acquaintances who ahve relatives there, who have said that while Muslims influence the anti-semitism, ther eis much that is non Muslim, just hatred and jealousy. (Of Jews).

      I spent 3 1/2 years in a Catholic University, and had more then one priest say anyone born a Catholic and Baptized as one is always a Catholic, even if he or she leaves the faith. (This was before and during vatican Ii in the 1960’s).

      The Crusades-if against Muslim whatever-why did they torch (20-21st century term) synagogues and other Jewish instutions, such as schools?

      I agree Islam is a blot on humanity, and if it is erased, the world would be a better place.

      I think a great thing for the Muslism to show who si a true Muslim would be a Civil War to WW1 type of battle–each side lines up (an about equal number of anal pores-say 20-25,000) and has a fight to the death. And may they both succeed; but when one side or the other or both are down by 75% or so, stop and regroup to full strength. Send the wannabe Jihadists from the US, Canada, Britain, etc.

      Would help the gene pool immensely.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 11, 2014 at 12:41 am

      Thank you so much for your kind words, Wellington—coming from you, they mean a great deal.

      I consider you of the most erudite posters here, and have learned a great deal from your comments.

      Be well.

  29. Edward Cline says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    Severely injured? It couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. Guess they have better medical facilities in the ruins of Syria.

  30. pselliott says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    So tell me again why Allah didn’t protect him? He’s doing Allah’s work, isn’t he? Maybe I’m over-thinking the problem……..

  31. Ray Lanfear says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    As long as we allow the muslim brotherhood, in our towns, cities and government the situation will not improve one bit. Just google “theprojectmuslimbrotherhood” for their real intent to destroy America from within. (written 20 years ago, and they are succeeding folks). Just look at the progress 2400 Mosques and climbing, using our 1st amendment to protect themselves, infiltrated our schools, universities and even the White House. They simply will not adapt to our culture, but rather want to force Islam and Sharia law upon all of us. They must be stopped.

  32. Wake Up says

    Jul 7, 2014 at 4:23 am

    Hate to bring bad news, but what happens when this “Beast” recovers from this “deadly wound”?

    Why does it seem that no one can see the danger of this situation? Does this not sound seriously like end times prophesy?

    A one world government and religion of which all must worship etc etc?

    Has anyone heard of Walid Shoebat? He was a muslim who read the Bible and discovered the “good guy” of the Quran was the “bad guy” of the Bible.

    The 12th Caliphate that Baghadi proclaims to be is supposed to be the guy who delivers Islam throughout the world. Enter one world government and religion.

    Don’t mock. Repent and pray for your salvation for the end of days is upon us!

    • Angemon says

      Jul 7, 2014 at 5:41 am

      No offense Wake Up, but are you sure you’re not mixing things up? Al-Baghdadi is sunni and the 12th imam is a shia concept.

    • John C. Barile says

      Jul 8, 2014 at 9:09 am

      Many here are familiar with Walid Shoebat. And many have also read Joel Richardson’s book, The Islamic AntiChrist. There are Christians here of every denomination who are keen to understand the signs of the times.

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