Condell published this one in mid-June, but after the Israeli incursion into Gaza and the resulting violent anti-Semitic protests around the world, it is all the more pertinent. Watch it all.
You are not a muslim if you do not hate Christians and jews .
Bradamantesays
A lot of Christian Arabs are anti-Jewish, unfortunately. But not all, of course. An increasing number of Israeli Christian Arabs are joining the Israeli military.
dumbledoresarmysays
No, they are not “loving it”.
They are wounded souls.
They have been systematically “worked over” by uber-abusive Muslims for the past thousand years and more. The miracle is that they have not broken altogether, and converted to Islam.
Read Mark Durie’s book on dhimmitude, “The Third Choice”. And *also* read the companion volume, “Liberty to the Captives”, which describes the major, major spiritual work that needs to happen if someone is fully to overcome the intensely violent – indeed, downright sadistic – ‘conditioning’ or ‘grooming’ that, generation after generation, has turned them into dhimmis.
The best thing the Israelis could do, is get these two books by Dr Durie translated into the form of Arabic used by the local Christians. And even get Dr Durie, and Bat Yeor, to come to Israel and do a series of seminars and broadcasts and “workshops” – for both Jews and Christians, for rabbis and clergy and for therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists – on how to DE-dhimmi people.
There is much in “The Third Choice” that would also be helpful also for *Jews* in Israel who – or whose forebears, parents or grandparents or great-grandparents – *also* lived as de facto or de jure dhimmis under Muslim rule; so it could also do with translation into Hebrew. And into Russian and French for Israeli Jews from those backgrounds for whom those languages are more accessible, so that they can understand why some of the Mizrachi Jews they encounter may sometimes act in peculiar ways vis a vis Muslims.
Further: Bradamante is right – per miraculum, some of these dhimmified Christians in Israel are *waking up* and shucking off dhimmitude, in a movement that is incredibly important and should be welcomed and encouraged by all Islamosavvy persons.
Some of the Arabised Christians in Israel are looking at what is being done to Christians by Muslims in Iraq and Syria, and the precarious position of the Copts, and the misery of the tiny remnant of Christians under Hamas rule in Gaza, and they are comparing it with their lot in Israel and thinking, “hey, I’m better off here than I would be in any of the neighbouring countries, I’m about as well off as I would be in any *western* country, so..it’s definitely in my interests to help Israel defend itself”.
Marcossays
Not only Israeli Arab Christians but many Christians who live a countries where there are a lot of Muslim population. Those people are brain washed, they think Muslims likes them because they are not Jewish, also Lefty atheist from Europe they think they are fine but they are not because they are also Kaffirs “Non Believers” they need to read the text books they will know they are just dreaming with lies. The Koran says “OH believers kill non believers and this is not secret it is in there I read it the other day.
gravenimagesays
Excellent post, DDA.
Jay Boosays
$47 million
When will the Palestinians get fed up with the endless cycle of misery brought about by Hamas.
Palestinians depend on Hamas for civil services and Hamas depends on being funded
Something is wrong with this picture.
The only reason these “palestinians” can even continue to exist at all in Gaza (seeing as how its always been empty of life since Paul wrote of it in the New Testament) is because the UN gives them a full HALF of their global refugee budget (!) and Israel gives them free water, electricity, food, and schooling.
These are displaced Egyptian ARABS, not the historical Philistines (who, BTW, lived hundreds of miles North in PHILISTIA, near Antioch, and were all Greeks). The Hebrew word “Plishtim” from which “palestinian” derives, means “INVADERS.”
And as such, they have NO historic right to an ancestral homeland in the area.
The place formerly known as the Land of Israel in Canaan, aka “ZION,” was deliberately re-named as Syria PALASTINA by the Romans who disperced the Jews, in honour of their Greco-Roman battle goddess, PALAS Athena.
And ever since then, the only occupants have been JEWS.
jcd0101says
Wow
here is an avowed atheist saying the truth about islam and its plans for the Jews..
Sheesh – its pretty sad when an atheist has to tell the truth because christians wont.
I’m pleasantly surprised by the common sense comments here so far (with the exception of Jay Boo, of course, nicely corrected by Mo). It’s refreshing to walk into a JW comments thread and, for a change, not see comments that offend one’s Counter-Jihad sensibility with the chewy nougaty center of JW Softy-ism.
Jay Boosays
I like Mo’s honest strait up response to my question.
It does seem to imply that Muslims wont turn on each other, however.
It would be even better if someone could explain how much of the $47 million will be used to allow Hamas to escape the reckoning from what they have wrought.
Voeg Voeg Voeg
Did you really say ?—- “offend one’s Counter-Jihad sensibility ”
Oh what a tangled web you weave
nanesays
Answering Pat Condell
By Adnane Moubarak
1. The whole world wants peace; Zionists, who are still hiding behind Judaism, don’t.
2. Arabs don’t hate Jews and can’t hate people for no reason because their religion teaches them that people are judged by their actions and not by their race. Sick minded Zionists are the ones who consider non-Jews to be Goïm/animals.
3. There is no such thing as “Israeli technology”. Technology is the product of all civilizations from the ancient Egyptians to the modern age. You control some of that tech, yes, but that doesn’t mean it is yours, nor it is an excuse for murdering children. Without the third world’s raw materials and brain power, “your tech” could not have existed. You grow food on stolen land and irrigate crops with stolen water after starving thousands of families.
4. To boycott academics isn’t like burning books. It is like boycotting Nazi academics who are working for an elitist, ethnocentric, antihuman ideology of death .You don’t notice that because you learned from your teachers, the Nazis.
5. So basically, if I am against killing children by goofy looking Zionist soldiers, I will be considered an “anti-Semite”? Get lost dude. People who defend themselves with stones are the oppressed; the oppressor is the one hiding behind walls and tanks, and builds an apartheid wall.
6. HHHHH; by using the analogy of the Chinese you are automatically confessing that you are a criminal just like the Chinese government that murdered people in Tibet. By your own twisted logic we deduce, that ISRAHELL IS A COLONISER USING THE SUFFERING OF SOME JEWS UNDER NAZISM TO JUSTIFY THEIR HEGEMONY.
7. Hizb Alat doesn’t represent Islam and doesn’t represent the Palestinians because they are just like Zionists; they hide behind Islam, and have nothing to do with it.
8. “Lay down your weapons and you will witness prosperity”. Sure, we heard that before; that’s exactly what the “civilized” pilgrims told the red Indians, the legitimate owners of the stolen land which is now called “America”, before they slaughtered them.
9. You lying bastard; your planes bombarded homes and mosques, even hospitals. The children were sleeping when the Israeli gift burned their parents alive. You dare call this, “using children as shields”.
10. Say it from the very beginning. Your problem is with Islam and all Muslims.
11. Most Jews don’t want a Jewish state; you Zionists/colonialists are the ones hiding behind Judaism as I’ve already mentioned.
12. Palestinians don’t want Jews dead, they just want the Zionists (not all Jews are Zionists) to stop killing their children, widowing their wives, humiliating them and building more settlements on stolen land; that’s all you stupid logic twister.
13. Ignorance, arrogance, geopolitical interests and criminality are the things you need to believe in order to support the criminal “ZIONIST STATE” OF ISRAHELL.
Mosays
@ Adnane Moubarak
“1. The whole world wants peace; Zionists, who are still hiding behind Judaism, don’t.”
The genocidal Muslims who are hell bent on destroying Israel do not want peace. That’s been proven time and time again.
Neither do their supporters want peace. (Unless, of course, you mean “peace” by letting them achieve their goal of annihilating the entire country or making it subservient to Islam.)
The rest of your screed is not worth reading, much less addressing.
Get lost. Go post your filth elsewhere.
Anonamustafasays
You’re not very good at this.
0/10
gravenimagesays
nane wrote:
Answering Pat Condell
By Adnane Moubarak
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I have no idea whether “nane”—whom I cannot ever recall seeing posting here before, actually supports Adnane Moubarak or not—unless, of course, they are one and the same, with “nane” being a shortening of “Adnane”. In any case, I will just address Moubarak’s ugly crap.
This is, incidentally, probably the same Adnane Moubarak whose Da’wa you can find all over social media.
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1. The whole world wants peace; Zionists, who are still hiding behind Judaism, don’t.
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What crap. The Muslim “Palestinians” have had many, many chances for peace—when the Israelis unilaterally handed over Gaza, after Oslo—and their response has *always* been to launch a new round of Jihad against Israel.
Whereas, Israel has only ever *fought back* against such violence—they have never initiated it.
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2. Arabs don’t hate Jews and can’t hate people for no reason because their religion teaches them that people are judged by their actions and not by their race…
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This shows that this Mohammedan is using the ethnic term “Arab” to denote “Muslim”—despite the fact that some Arabs are Christian.
And this claim for Islam is *utterly false*. The very first Sura of the Qur’an starts off with a condemnation of Jews as Jews.
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Sick minded Zionists are the ones who consider non-Jews to be Goïm/animals.
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And how does this square with the fact that Gentiles have full equal rights in Israel, and serve in the Knesset? Compare this to Muslim countries, where not a single on has equal rights for Infidels.
Christians are oppressed and persecuted in Gaza and the “Palestinian Territories”, and Jews—if caught—are kidnapped or murdered.
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3. There is no such thing as “Israeli technology”. Technology is the product of all civilizations from the ancient Egyptians to the modern age. You control some of that tech, yes, but that doesn’t mean it is yours…
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Not every culture lends itself to the creation of new technology. Israel and most of the rest of the West encourage innovation and learning—whereas, Islam despises reason and actually considers Bi’da—innovation—to be Haram.
Here’s Wikipedia: “Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 850 individuals, of whom at least 20% were Jews or of Jewish descent, although Jews comprise less than 0.2% of the world’s population”…
Whereas, the *entire Muslim world* has only won seven. And this includes such travesties as Yasser Arafat winning the Nobel Peace Prize and the fact that so many are not true Muslims but are “heretics’ or apostates—several winners, in fact, have been attacked and murdered by their more orthodox coreligionists for being “un-Islamic”.
So innovation may not be specifically Jewish—but Jewish culture is far more conducive to innovation than is the violent and arid culture of Islam.
Moreover, look how Moubarak phrases this: “you control some of that tech, yes, but it doesn’t mean it is yours”—this attitude is, in fact, completely Islamic. The idea that any wealth or assets created by infidels *does not belong to them*, but instead it belongs *to Muslims*. And why? Because since the regard the world as belonging to Allah, they believe that everything in it perforce belongs to Muslims.
This is exactly the basis on which Muslim engage in thievery, piracy, and enslavement—because they believe that all the goods and labor of Infidels actually *belong to them*.
They also have no respect for what it takes to innovate—because they regard it in just the same light as manual labor, which they despise.
Moreover—look at the idea that the hated Jews “control” innovation. This is false—with the exception of copyright protections, anyone anywhere in the world is free to use any innovation as the basis *for further innovation*. This is something pious Muslims are unable to understand.
No wonder there is so little innovation in the Muslim world.
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…nor it is an excuse for murdering children.
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What crap. Israel goes to considerable pains to *avoid* civilian casualties, *especially* children. And that is why Hamas deliberately uses schools and hospitals as weapons caches, and uses children as *human shields*. *Ugh*.
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Without the third world’s raw materials and brain power, “your tech” could not have existed…
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Just laughable—the idea that the West relies on “third world”—Muslim?—”brain power”…
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You grow food on stolen land and irrigate crops with stolen water after starving thousands of families…
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Again, just laughable. Muslims live better in Israel than in most neighboring Muslim countries, despite her lack of oil.
Moreover, Israel often feeds Muslims experiencing disasters—when they would be unable to feed themselves.
At modern Israel’s inception, much of the Levant was virtually abandoned. Now Israel is *blooming*. They don’t call it the “Green Line” for nothing.
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4. To boycott academics isn’t like burning books. It is like boycotting Nazi academics who are working for an elitist, ethnocentric, antihuman ideology of death .You don’t notice that because you learned from your teachers, the Nazis.
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Good God, more crap. Instead, it is *Muslims* who admire Hitler and the Holocaust, and are always threatening Jews that they will “finish the job” of genocide.
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5. So basically, if I am against killing children by goofy looking Zionist soldiers, I will be considered an “anti-Semite”? Get lost dude. People who defend themselves with stones are the oppressed; the oppressor is the one hiding behind walls and tanks, and builds an apartheid wall.
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The idea that those with stones are perforce the “oppressed” is nonsense—this is just another indication of that lack of innovation. The Israelis are simply better at defending themselves. And good thing, too, or the genocidal “Palestinians” would have “wiped Israel off the map” long since.
As for that “Apartheid wall”—Moubarak will not tell you that before the erection of the wall and establishment of checkpoints that pious Muslims regularly entered Israel with weapons and explosives.
But then, Muslims always feel “oppressed” if they are prevented from killing Infidels…
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6. HHHHH; by using the analogy of the Chinese you are automatically confessing that you are a criminal just like the Chinese government that murdered people in Tibet. By your own twisted logic we deduce, that ISRAHELL IS A COLONISER USING THE SUFFERING OF SOME JEWS UNDER NAZISM TO JUSTIFY THEIR HEGEMONY.
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And your logic here is…? Like so many Muslims, Moubarak here appears to losing it, and is shouting in ALL CAPS and ranting about “ISRAHELL”, despite civilized Israel’s being the only democracy in the region.
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7. Hizb Alat doesn’t represent Islam and doesn’t represent the Palestinians because they are just like Zionists; they hide behind Islam, and have nothing to do with it.
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What rot. Sanguinary Hamas was elected by the Muslims of Gaza. And how does their genocidal stance to Israel differ from that of “moderate” Fatah? The fact is, it does not. All pious Muslims seek the outright destruction of Israel.
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8. “Lay down your weapons and you will witness prosperity”. Sure, we heard that before…
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What rot. Israel has *only* responded in reaction to Muslim attacks. When Muslims refrain from attacking Israel, things are peaceful.
This latest round was initiated by Mohammedans from Gaza lobbing missiles at Israeli civilians.
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9. You lying bastard; your planes bombarded homes and mosques, even hospitals. The children were sleeping when the Israeli gift burned their parents alive. You dare call this, “using children as shields”.
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Hamas has admitted using Mosques, schools, and hospitals as bases from which to wage violent Jihad, and of using civilians—including children—as human shields. Why don’t they stop?
Because they will do *anything* to further the vile cause of Islam. *Ugh*.
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10. Say it from the very beginning. Your problem is with Islam and all Muslims.
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Only if they are murdering Infidels. Of course, all too many Muslims consider the murder of Infidels to be an intrinsic part of their vile “faith”.
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11. Most Jews don’t want a Jewish state; you Zionists/colonialists are the ones hiding behind Judaism as I’ve already mentioned.
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No—as pious Muslims would have it, the “natural state” of Jews is to live as threatened dhimmis beneath the Muslim boot. How dare any Infidel—*especially* the hated Joooos—live as free people, without Muslim oppression?
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12. Palestinians don’t want Jews dead, they just want the Zionists (not all Jews are Zionists) to stop killing their children, widowing their wives, humiliating them and building more settlements on stolen land; that’s all you stupid logic twister.
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What utter crap. I they stop attacking the Jews, the Jews stop defending themselves.
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13. Ignorance, arrogance, geopolitical interests and criminality are the things you need to believe in order to support the criminal “ZIONIST STATE” OF ISRAHELL.
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Does Adnane Moubarak want to see the destruction of Israel and the enslavement or murder of her people? Sure sounds like it…
dumbledoresarmysays
Brilliantly dissected, Gravenimage.
Nothing to add; except, to go with it, and with Mr Condell’s splendid piece, I’ll link here a splendid diatribe from a Native Canadian who is a staunch Friend of Zion, one Ryan Bellerose.
He simply *demolishes* a whining, self-pitying born-in-Canada “Palestinian” Arab Muslim hijabette, one Ala Hamdan.
“Calling out self pitying whiny bullies (Ala hamdan)”.
Click on the link, everyone. Highly recommended. You’ll be laughing out loud by the time he’s done.
He’d *obliterate* adnane moubarak, too, if he ever came across him on the internets or in person. (And if they *did* meet in person, adnane would be very, very polite, I am sure, because Mr Bellerose is 6 foot 4 and built like a bear, a really big bear).
Also, I should mention: a given Sikh could be the most honest, tolerant, hard-working, intelligent and fair-minded person you could hope to meet, but because he or she is not Muslim, an extremist Muslim will automatically dislike or even hate him or her.
Actually, extremist Muslims (as opposed to moderate and liberal ones) do indeed judge people based on their religious beliefs. For example, let’s say that you follow Sikhism, which is a monotheistic and generally tolerant religion.
Extremist Muslims will hate and condemn you because you follow Guru Nanak and not Muhammad, you won’t recite the Shahad (profession of faith in Allah and Muhammad) and your concept of God or Allah is somewhat different from that of Islam. Also, as a Sikh you don’t believe in “halal” as a diet, and you might be wearing a turban and a long beard, which some extreme Muslims believe are forbidden for non-Muslims (as is even riding a horse).
You also choose to worship in a Sikh temple rather than in a mosque, and some a your religious belief is similar to that of Hinduism, although yopu are a monotheist.
Much of the same could be said about the attitude of extremist Muslims towards Christians, Jews, Hindus and other non-Muslim peoples, or even towards Muslims who the Islamic extremists don’t agree with (take the Sunni vs. Shiite conflict, for example).
No Fearsays
“2. Arabs don’t hate Jews and can’t hate people for no reason because their religion teaches them that people are judged by their actions and not by their race. ”
The Quran is full of hate for non-believers, simply because they are non-believers.
The Quran offends me and my family.
The Quran is a centre of pestilence.
gravenimagesays
Bravo Pat Condell! Hearing this morally clear-eyed hero speak is never anything less than an unalloyed pleasure.
King Davesays
This video is a month old, and Pat Condell is a fan of Jihad Watch.
People love the atheist Pat Condell when he correctly attacks the evil that is Islam and he makes some good points in this video about Israel today. He lives in a majority Christian culture where he constantly moans on his videos about the hypocrisy and brutal past of Christianity and its inconsistencies (while ignoring the enormous positive contributions of Christianity to the world in the form of the collective achievements of Western Christian Civilization) and Western Civilization where he enjoys his right to criticize all religions. Too bad he doesn’t condemn the hateful statements by the late Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, and other ultra Orthodox Jews, who spewed unbelievable hatred of all non Jews all his life saying in October 2010 in the Jerusalem Post that “God created Gentiles to be slaves for Jews”. Pat Condell correctly condemns extremist religious beliefs for controlling people’s lives, which is exactly what Orthodox Jews try to do in Israel, and he makes a lot of good points but he also has his own inconsistencies which need to be pointed out from time to time. He isn’t as brilliant as he thinks he is. Why isn’t he condemning the persecution of the ancient Christian communities in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East by Islam? That’s easy. Condell, like all liberals ,has a selective outrage.
Richiesays
Pat Condell is not a liberal.
If he was, he’d be supporting the Jihadists, and denouncing Israel
Plenty of liberals support Israel. Over 80% of American Jews who voted in 2008 and 2012 voted for the most liberal President of the USA in history name Barrack Hussein Obama and they almost all support Israel. Of course in Israel today it’s safe to say 90% of the population loath Obama.
Richiesays
Condell has open contempt for liberalism, Just because he is an atheist doesn’t automatically make him a liberal.
Actually, the most liberal presidents were FDR and Lyndon Johnson
Richie, I should have said “our first Marxist President” or better yet “our first Communist and Muslim President”. Best of all “our worst President”.
gravenimagesays
Pennswoods wrote:
Pat Condell correctly condemns extremist religious beliefs for controlling people’s lives, which is exactly what Orthodox Jews try to do in Israel…
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More witless antisemitism from Pennswoods. The fact is that Israel has equal rights for Gentiles—can you say that for any of the surrounding Muslim counties? Of course not—but that doesn’t stop this sort of false moral equivalence from this nasty poster.
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He isn’t as brilliant as he thinks he is. Why isn’t he condemning the persecution of the ancient Christian communities in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East by Islam? That’s easy. Condell, like all liberals ,has a selective outrage.
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Actually, Pat Condell has condemned Muslim threat and violence against Infidels many times.
Sure, he’s critical of all religions—but he knows that Islam is the real threat, and has been quite up-front about saying so.
Christians don’t walk down the street feeling threatened by Pat Condell because he has poked fun at their faith—would that we could say the same of thuggish Mohammedans.
Christians in Iraq are being persecuted in the most brutal ways we can imagine by ISIS today and Pat Condell is silent. His silence about the persecution of ancient Christian communities in the Middle East says to me he has a selective compassion about who is being persecuted. Muslim persecution of Christian minorities all over the Muslim majority world today doesn’t rank high on his list of religious outrage he’s always complaining about.
Richiesays
I don’t agree with Condell’s atheist views, but he is 100% right in his assessment of Islam.
Im surprised in his being British, the authorities haven’t arrested him- in the name of ‘community cohesion’. Crititcism of Islam, even online, can get a person in the UK arrested
bernie says
But most Arab Christians aren’t anti-Jewish, are they? Not even all Arab Muslims are anti-Jewish, although most of them seem to be.
slobberingFits says
You are not a muslim if you do not hate Christians and jews .
Bradamante says
A lot of Christian Arabs are anti-Jewish, unfortunately. But not all, of course. An increasing number of Israeli Christian Arabs are joining the Israeli military.
dumbledoresarmy says
No, they are not “loving it”.
They are wounded souls.
They have been systematically “worked over” by uber-abusive Muslims for the past thousand years and more. The miracle is that they have not broken altogether, and converted to Islam.
Read Mark Durie’s book on dhimmitude, “The Third Choice”. And *also* read the companion volume, “Liberty to the Captives”, which describes the major, major spiritual work that needs to happen if someone is fully to overcome the intensely violent – indeed, downright sadistic – ‘conditioning’ or ‘grooming’ that, generation after generation, has turned them into dhimmis.
The best thing the Israelis could do, is get these two books by Dr Durie translated into the form of Arabic used by the local Christians. And even get Dr Durie, and Bat Yeor, to come to Israel and do a series of seminars and broadcasts and “workshops” – for both Jews and Christians, for rabbis and clergy and for therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists – on how to DE-dhimmi people.
There is much in “The Third Choice” that would also be helpful also for *Jews* in Israel who – or whose forebears, parents or grandparents or great-grandparents – *also* lived as de facto or de jure dhimmis under Muslim rule; so it could also do with translation into Hebrew. And into Russian and French for Israeli Jews from those backgrounds for whom those languages are more accessible, so that they can understand why some of the Mizrachi Jews they encounter may sometimes act in peculiar ways vis a vis Muslims.
Further: Bradamante is right – per miraculum, some of these dhimmified Christians in Israel are *waking up* and shucking off dhimmitude, in a movement that is incredibly important and should be welcomed and encouraged by all Islamosavvy persons.
Some of the Arabised Christians in Israel are looking at what is being done to Christians by Muslims in Iraq and Syria, and the precarious position of the Copts, and the misery of the tiny remnant of Christians under Hamas rule in Gaza, and they are comparing it with their lot in Israel and thinking, “hey, I’m better off here than I would be in any of the neighbouring countries, I’m about as well off as I would be in any *western* country, so..it’s definitely in my interests to help Israel defend itself”.
Marcos says
Not only Israeli Arab Christians but many Christians who live a countries where there are a lot of Muslim population. Those people are brain washed, they think Muslims likes them because they are not Jewish, also Lefty atheist from Europe they think they are fine but they are not because they are also Kaffirs “Non Believers” they need to read the text books they will know they are just dreaming with lies. The Koran says “OH believers kill non believers and this is not secret it is in there I read it the other day.
gravenimage says
Excellent post, DDA.
Jay Boo says
$47 million
When will the Palestinians get fed up with the endless cycle of misery brought about by Hamas.
Palestinians depend on Hamas for civil services and Hamas depends on being funded
Something is wrong with this picture.
Secretary of State John Kerry says the United States will be sending $47 million in humanitarian aid to help thousands of Palestinians who have been forced to flee Gaza following the ground invasion by Israeli forces.
http://www.ibtimes.com/help-gaza-strip-us-will-send-47m-humanitarian-aid-1634862
Follow the money
Mo says
@ Jay Boo
“When will the Palestinians get fed up with the endless cycle of misery brought about by Hamas.”
As long as they are still following the death cult of Islam, the answer is:
NEVER.
Uncle Vladdi says
The only reason these “palestinians” can even continue to exist at all in Gaza (seeing as how its always been empty of life since Paul wrote of it in the New Testament) is because the UN gives them a full HALF of their global refugee budget (!) and Israel gives them free water, electricity, food, and schooling.
These are displaced Egyptian ARABS, not the historical Philistines (who, BTW, lived hundreds of miles North in PHILISTIA, near Antioch, and were all Greeks). The Hebrew word “Plishtim” from which “palestinian” derives, means “INVADERS.”
And as such, they have NO historic right to an ancestral homeland in the area.
The place formerly known as the Land of Israel in Canaan, aka “ZION,” was deliberately re-named as Syria PALASTINA by the Romans who disperced the Jews, in honour of their Greco-Roman battle goddess, PALAS Athena.
And ever since then, the only occupants have been JEWS.
jcd0101 says
Wow
here is an avowed atheist saying the truth about islam and its plans for the Jews..
Sheesh – its pretty sad when an atheist has to tell the truth because christians wont.
voegelinian says
I’m pleasantly surprised by the common sense comments here so far (with the exception of Jay Boo, of course, nicely corrected by Mo). It’s refreshing to walk into a JW comments thread and, for a change, not see comments that offend one’s Counter-Jihad sensibility with the chewy nougaty center of JW Softy-ism.
Jay Boo says
I like Mo’s honest strait up response to my question.
It does seem to imply that Muslims wont turn on each other, however.
It would be even better if someone could explain how much of the $47 million will be used to allow Hamas to escape the reckoning from what they have wrought.
Voeg Voeg Voeg
Did you really say ?—- “offend one’s Counter-Jihad sensibility ”
Oh what a tangled web you weave
nane says
Answering Pat Condell
By Adnane Moubarak
1. The whole world wants peace; Zionists, who are still hiding behind Judaism, don’t.
2. Arabs don’t hate Jews and can’t hate people for no reason because their religion teaches them that people are judged by their actions and not by their race. Sick minded Zionists are the ones who consider non-Jews to be Goïm/animals.
3. There is no such thing as “Israeli technology”. Technology is the product of all civilizations from the ancient Egyptians to the modern age. You control some of that tech, yes, but that doesn’t mean it is yours, nor it is an excuse for murdering children. Without the third world’s raw materials and brain power, “your tech” could not have existed. You grow food on stolen land and irrigate crops with stolen water after starving thousands of families.
4. To boycott academics isn’t like burning books. It is like boycotting Nazi academics who are working for an elitist, ethnocentric, antihuman ideology of death .You don’t notice that because you learned from your teachers, the Nazis.
5. So basically, if I am against killing children by goofy looking Zionist soldiers, I will be considered an “anti-Semite”? Get lost dude. People who defend themselves with stones are the oppressed; the oppressor is the one hiding behind walls and tanks, and builds an apartheid wall.
6. HHHHH; by using the analogy of the Chinese you are automatically confessing that you are a criminal just like the Chinese government that murdered people in Tibet. By your own twisted logic we deduce, that ISRAHELL IS A COLONISER USING THE SUFFERING OF SOME JEWS UNDER NAZISM TO JUSTIFY THEIR HEGEMONY.
7. Hizb Alat doesn’t represent Islam and doesn’t represent the Palestinians because they are just like Zionists; they hide behind Islam, and have nothing to do with it.
8. “Lay down your weapons and you will witness prosperity”. Sure, we heard that before; that’s exactly what the “civilized” pilgrims told the red Indians, the legitimate owners of the stolen land which is now called “America”, before they slaughtered them.
9. You lying bastard; your planes bombarded homes and mosques, even hospitals. The children were sleeping when the Israeli gift burned their parents alive. You dare call this, “using children as shields”.
10. Say it from the very beginning. Your problem is with Islam and all Muslims.
11. Most Jews don’t want a Jewish state; you Zionists/colonialists are the ones hiding behind Judaism as I’ve already mentioned.
12. Palestinians don’t want Jews dead, they just want the Zionists (not all Jews are Zionists) to stop killing their children, widowing their wives, humiliating them and building more settlements on stolen land; that’s all you stupid logic twister.
13. Ignorance, arrogance, geopolitical interests and criminality are the things you need to believe in order to support the criminal “ZIONIST STATE” OF ISRAHELL.
Mo says
@ Adnane Moubarak
“1. The whole world wants peace; Zionists, who are still hiding behind Judaism, don’t.”
The genocidal Muslims who are hell bent on destroying Israel do not want peace. That’s been proven time and time again.
Neither do their supporters want peace. (Unless, of course, you mean “peace” by letting them achieve their goal of annihilating the entire country or making it subservient to Islam.)
The rest of your screed is not worth reading, much less addressing.
Get lost. Go post your filth elsewhere.
Anonamustafa says
You’re not very good at this.
0/10
gravenimage says
nane wrote:
Answering Pat Condell
By Adnane Moubarak
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I have no idea whether “nane”—whom I cannot ever recall seeing posting here before, actually supports Adnane Moubarak or not—unless, of course, they are one and the same, with “nane” being a shortening of “Adnane”. In any case, I will just address Moubarak’s ugly crap.
This is, incidentally, probably the same Adnane Moubarak whose Da’wa you can find all over social media.
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1. The whole world wants peace; Zionists, who are still hiding behind Judaism, don’t.
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What crap. The Muslim “Palestinians” have had many, many chances for peace—when the Israelis unilaterally handed over Gaza, after Oslo—and their response has *always* been to launch a new round of Jihad against Israel.
Whereas, Israel has only ever *fought back* against such violence—they have never initiated it.
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2. Arabs don’t hate Jews and can’t hate people for no reason because their religion teaches them that people are judged by their actions and not by their race…
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This shows that this Mohammedan is using the ethnic term “Arab” to denote “Muslim”—despite the fact that some Arabs are Christian.
And this claim for Islam is *utterly false*. The very first Sura of the Qur’an starts off with a condemnation of Jews as Jews.
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Sick minded Zionists are the ones who consider non-Jews to be Goïm/animals.
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And how does this square with the fact that Gentiles have full equal rights in Israel, and serve in the Knesset? Compare this to Muslim countries, where not a single on has equal rights for Infidels.
Christians are oppressed and persecuted in Gaza and the “Palestinian Territories”, and Jews—if caught—are kidnapped or murdered.
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3. There is no such thing as “Israeli technology”. Technology is the product of all civilizations from the ancient Egyptians to the modern age. You control some of that tech, yes, but that doesn’t mean it is yours…
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Not every culture lends itself to the creation of new technology. Israel and most of the rest of the West encourage innovation and learning—whereas, Islam despises reason and actually considers Bi’da—innovation—to be Haram.
Here’s Wikipedia: “Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 850 individuals, of whom at least 20% were Jews or of Jewish descent, although Jews comprise less than 0.2% of the world’s population”…
Whereas, the *entire Muslim world* has only won seven. And this includes such travesties as Yasser Arafat winning the Nobel Peace Prize and the fact that so many are not true Muslims but are “heretics’ or apostates—several winners, in fact, have been attacked and murdered by their more orthodox coreligionists for being “un-Islamic”.
So innovation may not be specifically Jewish—but Jewish culture is far more conducive to innovation than is the violent and arid culture of Islam.
Moreover, look how Moubarak phrases this: “you control some of that tech, yes, but it doesn’t mean it is yours”—this attitude is, in fact, completely Islamic. The idea that any wealth or assets created by infidels *does not belong to them*, but instead it belongs *to Muslims*. And why? Because since the regard the world as belonging to Allah, they believe that everything in it perforce belongs to Muslims.
This is exactly the basis on which Muslim engage in thievery, piracy, and enslavement—because they believe that all the goods and labor of Infidels actually *belong to them*.
They also have no respect for what it takes to innovate—because they regard it in just the same light as manual labor, which they despise.
Moreover—look at the idea that the hated Jews “control” innovation. This is false—with the exception of copyright protections, anyone anywhere in the world is free to use any innovation as the basis *for further innovation*. This is something pious Muslims are unable to understand.
No wonder there is so little innovation in the Muslim world.
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…nor it is an excuse for murdering children.
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What crap. Israel goes to considerable pains to *avoid* civilian casualties, *especially* children. And that is why Hamas deliberately uses schools and hospitals as weapons caches, and uses children as *human shields*. *Ugh*.
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Without the third world’s raw materials and brain power, “your tech” could not have existed…
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Just laughable—the idea that the West relies on “third world”—Muslim?—”brain power”…
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You grow food on stolen land and irrigate crops with stolen water after starving thousands of families…
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Again, just laughable. Muslims live better in Israel than in most neighboring Muslim countries, despite her lack of oil.
Moreover, Israel often feeds Muslims experiencing disasters—when they would be unable to feed themselves.
At modern Israel’s inception, much of the Levant was virtually abandoned. Now Israel is *blooming*. They don’t call it the “Green Line” for nothing.
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4. To boycott academics isn’t like burning books. It is like boycotting Nazi academics who are working for an elitist, ethnocentric, antihuman ideology of death .You don’t notice that because you learned from your teachers, the Nazis.
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Good God, more crap. Instead, it is *Muslims* who admire Hitler and the Holocaust, and are always threatening Jews that they will “finish the job” of genocide.
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5. So basically, if I am against killing children by goofy looking Zionist soldiers, I will be considered an “anti-Semite”? Get lost dude. People who defend themselves with stones are the oppressed; the oppressor is the one hiding behind walls and tanks, and builds an apartheid wall.
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The idea that those with stones are perforce the “oppressed” is nonsense—this is just another indication of that lack of innovation. The Israelis are simply better at defending themselves. And good thing, too, or the genocidal “Palestinians” would have “wiped Israel off the map” long since.
As for that “Apartheid wall”—Moubarak will not tell you that before the erection of the wall and establishment of checkpoints that pious Muslims regularly entered Israel with weapons and explosives.
But then, Muslims always feel “oppressed” if they are prevented from killing Infidels…
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6. HHHHH; by using the analogy of the Chinese you are automatically confessing that you are a criminal just like the Chinese government that murdered people in Tibet. By your own twisted logic we deduce, that ISRAHELL IS A COLONISER USING THE SUFFERING OF SOME JEWS UNDER NAZISM TO JUSTIFY THEIR HEGEMONY.
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And your logic here is…? Like so many Muslims, Moubarak here appears to losing it, and is shouting in ALL CAPS and ranting about “ISRAHELL”, despite civilized Israel’s being the only democracy in the region.
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7. Hizb Alat doesn’t represent Islam and doesn’t represent the Palestinians because they are just like Zionists; they hide behind Islam, and have nothing to do with it.
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What rot. Sanguinary Hamas was elected by the Muslims of Gaza. And how does their genocidal stance to Israel differ from that of “moderate” Fatah? The fact is, it does not. All pious Muslims seek the outright destruction of Israel.
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8. “Lay down your weapons and you will witness prosperity”. Sure, we heard that before…
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What rot. Israel has *only* responded in reaction to Muslim attacks. When Muslims refrain from attacking Israel, things are peaceful.
This latest round was initiated by Mohammedans from Gaza lobbing missiles at Israeli civilians.
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9. You lying bastard; your planes bombarded homes and mosques, even hospitals. The children were sleeping when the Israeli gift burned their parents alive. You dare call this, “using children as shields”.
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Hamas has admitted using Mosques, schools, and hospitals as bases from which to wage violent Jihad, and of using civilians—including children—as human shields. Why don’t they stop?
Because they will do *anything* to further the vile cause of Islam. *Ugh*.
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10. Say it from the very beginning. Your problem is with Islam and all Muslims.
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Only if they are murdering Infidels. Of course, all too many Muslims consider the murder of Infidels to be an intrinsic part of their vile “faith”.
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11. Most Jews don’t want a Jewish state; you Zionists/colonialists are the ones hiding behind Judaism as I’ve already mentioned.
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No—as pious Muslims would have it, the “natural state” of Jews is to live as threatened dhimmis beneath the Muslim boot. How dare any Infidel—*especially* the hated Joooos—live as free people, without Muslim oppression?
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12. Palestinians don’t want Jews dead, they just want the Zionists (not all Jews are Zionists) to stop killing their children, widowing their wives, humiliating them and building more settlements on stolen land; that’s all you stupid logic twister.
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What utter crap. I they stop attacking the Jews, the Jews stop defending themselves.
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13. Ignorance, arrogance, geopolitical interests and criminality are the things you need to believe in order to support the criminal “ZIONIST STATE” OF ISRAHELL.
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Does Adnane Moubarak want to see the destruction of Israel and the enslavement or murder of her people? Sure sounds like it…
dumbledoresarmy says
Brilliantly dissected, Gravenimage.
Nothing to add; except, to go with it, and with Mr Condell’s splendid piece, I’ll link here a splendid diatribe from a Native Canadian who is a staunch Friend of Zion, one Ryan Bellerose.
He simply *demolishes* a whining, self-pitying born-in-Canada “Palestinian” Arab Muslim hijabette, one Ala Hamdan.
http://ryanmbellerose.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/calling-out-self-pitying-whiny-bullies.html
“Calling out self pitying whiny bullies (Ala hamdan)”.
Click on the link, everyone. Highly recommended. You’ll be laughing out loud by the time he’s done.
He’d *obliterate* adnane moubarak, too, if he ever came across him on the internets or in person. (And if they *did* meet in person, adnane would be very, very polite, I am sure, because Mr Bellerose is 6 foot 4 and built like a bear, a really big bear).
gravenimage says
Thank you for the link, DDA. Excellent stuff.
bernie says
Also, I should mention: a given Sikh could be the most honest, tolerant, hard-working, intelligent and fair-minded person you could hope to meet, but because he or she is not Muslim, an extremist Muslim will automatically dislike or even hate him or her.
bernie says
Actually, extremist Muslims (as opposed to moderate and liberal ones) do indeed judge people based on their religious beliefs. For example, let’s say that you follow Sikhism, which is a monotheistic and generally tolerant religion.
Extremist Muslims will hate and condemn you because you follow Guru Nanak and not Muhammad, you won’t recite the Shahad (profession of faith in Allah and Muhammad) and your concept of God or Allah is somewhat different from that of Islam. Also, as a Sikh you don’t believe in “halal” as a diet, and you might be wearing a turban and a long beard, which some extreme Muslims believe are forbidden for non-Muslims (as is even riding a horse).
You also choose to worship in a Sikh temple rather than in a mosque, and some a your religious belief is similar to that of Hinduism, although yopu are a monotheist.
Much of the same could be said about the attitude of extremist Muslims towards Christians, Jews, Hindus and other non-Muslim peoples, or even towards Muslims who the Islamic extremists don’t agree with (take the Sunni vs. Shiite conflict, for example).
No Fear says
“2. Arabs don’t hate Jews and can’t hate people for no reason because their religion teaches them that people are judged by their actions and not by their race. ”
The Quran is full of hate for non-believers, simply because they are non-believers.
The Quran offends me and my family.
The Quran is a centre of pestilence.
gravenimage says
Bravo Pat Condell! Hearing this morally clear-eyed hero speak is never anything less than an unalloyed pleasure.
King Dave says
This video is a month old, and Pat Condell is a fan of Jihad Watch.
I am a fan of both!
Pennswoods says
People love the atheist Pat Condell when he correctly attacks the evil that is Islam and he makes some good points in this video about Israel today. He lives in a majority Christian culture where he constantly moans on his videos about the hypocrisy and brutal past of Christianity and its inconsistencies (while ignoring the enormous positive contributions of Christianity to the world in the form of the collective achievements of Western Christian Civilization) and Western Civilization where he enjoys his right to criticize all religions. Too bad he doesn’t condemn the hateful statements by the late Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, and other ultra Orthodox Jews, who spewed unbelievable hatred of all non Jews all his life saying in October 2010 in the Jerusalem Post that “God created Gentiles to be slaves for Jews”. Pat Condell correctly condemns extremist religious beliefs for controlling people’s lives, which is exactly what Orthodox Jews try to do in Israel, and he makes a lot of good points but he also has his own inconsistencies which need to be pointed out from time to time. He isn’t as brilliant as he thinks he is. Why isn’t he condemning the persecution of the ancient Christian communities in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East by Islam? That’s easy. Condell, like all liberals ,has a selective outrage.
Richie says
Pat Condell is not a liberal.
If he was, he’d be supporting the Jihadists, and denouncing Israel
Pennswoods says
Plenty of liberals support Israel. Over 80% of American Jews who voted in 2008 and 2012 voted for the most liberal President of the USA in history name Barrack Hussein Obama and they almost all support Israel. Of course in Israel today it’s safe to say 90% of the population loath Obama.
Richie says
Condell has open contempt for liberalism, Just because he is an atheist doesn’t automatically make him a liberal.
Actually, the most liberal presidents were FDR and Lyndon Johnson
Pennsywoods says
Richie, I should have said “our first Marxist President” or better yet “our first Communist and Muslim President”. Best of all “our worst President”.
gravenimage says
Pennswoods wrote:
Pat Condell correctly condemns extremist religious beliefs for controlling people’s lives, which is exactly what Orthodox Jews try to do in Israel…
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More witless antisemitism from Pennswoods. The fact is that Israel has equal rights for Gentiles—can you say that for any of the surrounding Muslim counties? Of course not—but that doesn’t stop this sort of false moral equivalence from this nasty poster.
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He isn’t as brilliant as he thinks he is. Why isn’t he condemning the persecution of the ancient Christian communities in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East by Islam? That’s easy. Condell, like all liberals ,has a selective outrage.
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Actually, Pat Condell has condemned Muslim threat and violence against Infidels many times.
Sure, he’s critical of all religions—but he knows that Islam is the real threat, and has been quite up-front about saying so.
Christians don’t walk down the street feeling threatened by Pat Condell because he has poked fun at their faith—would that we could say the same of thuggish Mohammedans.
Pennswoods says
Christians in Iraq are being persecuted in the most brutal ways we can imagine by ISIS today and Pat Condell is silent. His silence about the persecution of ancient Christian communities in the Middle East says to me he has a selective compassion about who is being persecuted. Muslim persecution of Christian minorities all over the Muslim majority world today doesn’t rank high on his list of religious outrage he’s always complaining about.
Richie says
I don’t agree with Condell’s atheist views, but he is 100% right in his assessment of Islam.
Im surprised in his being British, the authorities haven’t arrested him- in the name of ‘community cohesion’. Crititcism of Islam, even online, can get a person in the UK arrested
Elisheva 14 says
Fabulous and right one.