“You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers to be the Jews…” — Qur’an 5:82
“They have been put under humiliation wherever they are overtaken, except for a covenant from Allah and a rope from the Muslims. And they have drawn upon themselves anger from Allah and have been put under destitution. That is because they disbelieved in the verses of Allah and killed the prophets without right. That is because they disobeyed and transgressed.” — Qur’an 3:112
“Turkish Paper: ‘God Bless That Hitler,’” by Adam Kredo, Washington Free Beacon, July 18, 2014:
A Turkish columnist at a pro-government newspaper celebrated Hitler in a recent column on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and demanded that Turkey’s Jewish leaders apologize for “genocide” committed by the “‘Zionist/Jewish terror base’ that is Israel,” according to a translation of the controversial op-ed.
Turkish journalist Faruk Kose, writing recently in the pro-government Turkish Daily, demanded that the country’s chief rabbi apologize “in the name of the Jews” for “Israel’s genocide in Gaza,” where Israeli military personal have launched a ground operation to root out Hamas militants.
Kose praised Hitler, engaged in anti-Semitic rhetoric, and wonder if it is “legitimate to kill a Zionist,” according to a translation Friday of his full column performed by Merve Tahiroglu, a research associate for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD).
The highly charged column is a sign of mounting anger and increased anti-Semitism across the Muslim world as Israel increases its military operation against Hamas terrorists.
Turkey, once a reliable Western ally, has continued to move away from the United States under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who himself has come under fire multiple times in recent months for engaging in anti-Semitic and anti-Israel rhetoric.
Israel on Friday was forced to remove its diplomats from Turkey following attacks by protestors on its embassy buildings.
Kose’s column is rife with Jew-baiting rhetoric and seems to passively encourage violence against Turkish Jews.
“As a Muslim I believe that it is not in line with Islam’s justice to think that a person, just because they are a Jew, should ‘die’ or ‘be exterminated,’” Kose wrote. “I mean, if they were, I would not be upset, but I also would not argue that they should be treated this way simply because they are Jewish.”
Jewish people, “who cause strife and mischief every place they go,” should roundly condemn Israel’s military operation in Gaza, Kose goes on to state.
“There is no way we can accept this ‘genocide movement’ of the ‘Zionist/Jewish terror base’ that is Israel,” wrote Kose, who calls on Jews who “still have a conscience” to publicly apologize.
“No reason can justify this,” he wrote. “For this reason, those Jews who still have a conscience—if there are any left—should reject Israel’s massacre in Gaza.”
Feelings of anti-Semitism and violence are justified at this time, according to Kose.
“The ‘Zionist/Jewish terror base’ that is Israel, continues to turn Gaza into hell with its genocide,” he wrote. “So of course one feels like saying, ‘God bless that Hitler!’”
Due to these feelings among some Turks, the country’s chief Rabbi, Rav Isak Haleva, should issue a blanket apology and condemn Israel, Kose says.
“You must quickly, without any delay, with a very clear expression, make a statement in the name of the Jews living in Turkey,” Kose wrote to Haleva, outlining what he should say:
In this statement you must say that you ‘don’t find it right,’ that ‘it isn’t humane,’ that you ‘have no sentimental connection to Israel’s operation’ that you ‘don’t condone,’ that you condemn Israel’s genocide in Gaza, the massacre, the operation; the killings of children and the bombing of mosques, hospitals, schools and civil population centers.
Such a statement would help move Muslim Turks to not commit violent acts against Jews in retaliation for Israel’s military campaign, Kose wrote.
“For this reason, a statement that you will make on behalf of the Jewish community in our country, in which you will reject the Israeli operations, will be an important step to prevent an potential enmity between the Muslims and Jews who have lived here in peace for five centuries,” he wrote.
Should Jews fail to apologize for Israel and begin flaunting their “Jewish identity,” Kose will begin to advocate for “an eye for an eye approach.”
“If you come out with your ‘Jewish’ identity and start massacring my Muslim brothers, start siding with this ‘Zionist/Jewish terror base’ that is Israel, which implicates a complete genocide on my religious-brothers in Palestine, from babies to children, and start siding with this crime against humanity, you will be guilty of the same thing,” he wrote. “And at that point, I will have earned the right to ask for the ‘an eye for an eye’ approach towards you.”
Turkish leader Erdogan has found himself in hot water in recent months for his own anti-Semitic outbursts.
In May, Erdogan ruffled feathers when he reportedly referred to a group of protestors as “Israeli semen.”
He also received backlash from the White House last year when he blamed the Israelis for Egypt’s popular revolution that ousted former Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohammed Morsi.
Erdogan’s Turkey has also come under scrutiny for its ties to terror groups and support for Iran.
Jovial Joe says
If that is not a call to genocide I don’t know what is: apologise or you as a people deserve to be annihilated. There is no depth to the hatred spawned by Islam.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
This demand for apology fits with the Moslem’s definition that Infidelism is a crime, and a serious one not to be treated lightly.
I, as a rational Islamophobe, have long felt that all Moslems should make an abject apology for the act of being a Moslem. From there, American Moslems, including Keith Ellison D-Minn, must be justly dealt with by military justice system. I say that because Islam, along with being a religion, is by self-declaration also a government and military.
Shane says
Hatred of Jews is in the Koran and so is barbaric Sharia law.
Beagle says
Muslims love to point to their expanding population in places like Gaza and claim the Israelis are engaged in genocide. Given the intelligence and capabilities of the Jewish people in Israel, not to mention their history as victims of genocide, you’d think if they wanted to be they would be at least halfway decent at it. The cognitive dissonance, it burns.
Greyhound Fancier says
Genocide by definition is mass killing based on ethnicity or race. An increase in population of the Arabs in Gaza would indicate well-being, not genocide.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Add national group and religion to ethnicity and race. I’d also add ideology, because Joe and Mao respectively exterminated tens of millions in the name of Communism.
But you’re right on the growing population of Gaza. There are indications that Bedouins (now mistaken called Palestinians) flooded into nascent Israel knowing that the presence of Jews meant a higher standard of living.
Mirren10 says
” Given the intelligence and capabilities of the Jewish people in Israel, not to mention their history as victims of genocide, you’d think if they wanted to be they would be at least halfway decent at it. The cognitive dissonance, it burns.”
Indeed !
This is the the point I make when forced to talk to anti-Semitic ‘liberals’, and mohammedans, useful idiots and the like, who waffle on about the ‘Jewish control of the media’, etc. If the ‘wicked Jooos’ are really in control of so much, why is the msm almost uniformly condemning Israel for its defensive actions in Gaza ? Why is there so much anti-Semitism ? Why are Jews and Israel constantly vilified in the msm, and the governments of the West ?
But answer came there none …
Jay Boo says
Wonder if, Brandeis University might be considering inviting him as a guest speaker soon to discuss interfaith dialog between Muslims and Jews and also in order to fill in the open slot in their roster of speakers since the disinvite of Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Falsafa says
There is a lot of grief, sadness and emotion right now in Turkey over the suffering of the Palestinian people with so many innocent casualties. The views expressed in this article by F. Kose is not shared nor condoned by the vast majority of the Turkish people and is but an expression of outrage over the current tragedy.
Jovial Joe says
Save your sentiments for the Israelis threatened or killed by Hamas’ rockets each day, not for those who place themselves deliberately in harm’s way.
Jeff says
And who is responsible for their problems? Three groups:
1) Hamas – because they fire rockets at Israel intentionally targeting it citizens (each instance constituting a war crime) and send terrorists to try to kill and kidnap;
2) The Gazans themselves who overwhelming voted (96%) for Hamas; and
3) the arab world in general because for all the justifications they give for hating Israel come down to one thing – they do not accept a non-muslim country in the region and have been trying (and fortunately failing) by any and means to make Israel disappear).
The Turks under Erdogan have become nothing more than islamic radical country. Ataturk must be turning in his grave.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
And who is responsible for their problems?
Now dagnabit let’s be fair here. The three people most responsible for the problems in Gaza are:
1) The Holy Prophet Mohammed
2) The Archangel Gabriel
3) The holy god Allah
They say always follow the money. Well, in life belief systems, always follow the scriptural source.
Jeff says
Them too!
CogitoErgoSum says
Mohammad, Gabriel and Allah…..hmmm. Now wait a minute. Actually, I’m not sure Gabriel deserves any blame since the entity actually speaking to Mohammad was an impostor…. or maybe an hallucination. As for Allah, well, Allah really is not a god as evidenced by his (its) lack of ability to do anything without the assistance of human beings (dupes). So I think we are really talking about one person here (Muhammad) who is (possibly) the scriptural source and the one primarily deserving of ultimate responsibility. That’s my opinion….although it’s based on evidence that was probably tampered with by very wiley men shortly after Muhammad’s demise. There now. It’s all as clear as the mud in your pig pen, APF.
Jay Boo says
@CogitoErgoSum
True
No one would believe that Allah would speak directly to such a lowlife as Muhammad so he convinced the gullible uneducated tribes around Medina that an intermediary spoke to him.
Whenever Muhammad got caught telling yet another lie he would say if you don’t believe me go ask the angel yourself or say he was tricked by jinn spirits into quoting satanic verses.
As a last resort he had a flying horse waiting in his stable in case he had to sneak out of town on a red-eyed ‘night-flight’.
Alice says
Poor Gabriel! He must be furious that his name was invoked as a tool of Satan.
Silvia says
Darlin, a people that has practically patented genocide (Armenians, Greeks, Kurds) hardly has any right to preach.
You are ruled by an Islamonazi nutjob that should be in a straitjacket, not leading a country.
Your beloved Balestinians are always attacking us which is exactly what they are doing now. They started rocketing us almost a month ago! Did your media tell you that? 2000 rockets in 12 days, deliberately, on 5 million civilians!!! Do you understand that?
And since your heart bleeds so profusely for the 300 dead Gazans, did your people riot this way for the almost 200,000 killed in Syria? For the 100’s of thousands in Iraq? For the 100s of thousands in Afghanistan? Sudan? I could go on.
If hypocrisy were deadly, there would be no Muslims left in the world.
Jeff says
Amen amen..
umbra says
And so hypocrisy should be fatal … for the sake of the world.
Mirren10 says
”There is a lot of grief, sadness and emotion right now in Turkey over the suffering of the Palestinian people with so many innocent casualties.”
Really ?
Where is your ‘grief, sadness and emotion’ over the far greater numbers of mohammedans slaughtered by **other** mohammedans, in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon et al ? Oh, I know, let me guess; it only counts when it’s the ‘wicked Jooos’ acting in self-defence ? Yep, how **dare** they defend themselves !
” The views expressed in this article by F. Kose is not shared nor condoned by the vast majority of the Turkish people and is but an expression of outrage over the current tragedy”
Crap. You mohammedans ingest Jew-hatred with your mother’s milk. Where is your outrage over the three young Jewish men murdered by Hamas ? Where is your outrage over the Fogel family ? Where is your outrage over the scum who repaid the Israelis for their treatment in Israeli hospitals, by attemptin to suicide bomb them ?
No. You scum save your faux ‘outrage’ for Israel when, finally, after months of rocket attacks, aimed **deliberately** at civilian targets, Israel retaliates, but bends over backwards to avoid as much as possible, targeting civilians.
Where is your ‘outrage’ against Hamas, who **deliberately** use their own people, women and children, as human shields ? Of course, you have none.
Get lost, you duplicitous, hypocritical, **disgusting** piece of mohammedan crap.
Jeff says
Very well said!
gravenimage says
Falsafa wrote:
There is a lot of grief, sadness and emotion right now in Turkey over the suffering of the Palestinian people with so many innocent casualties.
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Do you care that Hamas has vowed to destroy Israel? Do you care that it was Hamas who was lobbing missiles at Jewish *civilians*? Do you care that Hamas uses its own civilians as *human shields*?
Do you care that it is only Israel who is trying to minimize civilian casualties—and that they will end their defense once Muslims stop attacking them?
I doubt it…
More:
The views expressed in this article by F. Kose is not shared nor condoned by the vast majority of the Turkish people and is but an expression of outrage over the current tragedy.
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I’m frequently outraged, not least over Muslim atrocities.
And yet, I have *never* as a result decided to laud Hitler and admire the Holocaust. The question is, why do so many of your own vicious coreligionists?
The answer, of course, is not all that difficult—it is because Mohammedans admire Hitler’s savagery, and because they share his genocidal aims for the Jews.
Jew-hatred is in the very texts of Islam, and the genocide of the Jews is considered “holy”:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: Allah’s apostle said, “you (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. the stones will betray them saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah! there is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’”
[Sahih Bukhari, volume 4, book 52, number 176]
And *this* is why Muslims admire the Holocaust and vow to “finish the job”. *Ugh*.
Wellington says
To the extent that anyone in Turkey grieves over the so-called Palestinians, then to that extent is Turkey populated by fools.
Take your nonsense elsewhere. You will make no headway here at JW. Guaranteed.
Really, so many here at JW are way beyond where you are, though I’m virtually certain this too will pass over your head. Much does I suspect.
voegelinian says
Turkeyshit.
“The Turkish people are the most fanatic there is… To others — when they speak — it’s secular, liberal, European rights, but when they act, it’s the most fanatic people on earth.”
— Hatune Dogan, a Turkish nun and activist (who had to flee her homeland to Germany because of Islamic oppression, whom I trust more than some Muslim (or non-Muslim Softie) hump in a discussion forum.
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/02/but-turkey-is-secular.html
Jay Boo says
voegelinian said — “The Turkish people are the most fanatic there is”
Isn’t that a bit much?
They may not be as secular as they pretend but to claim they are the “MOST” fanatic in the vast sea of Islam fanaticism would seem to be a bit of an exaggeration.
voegelinian says
Hatune has more of a right to say that than you do to demur, “Jay Boo”.
Jay Boo says
voegelinian ,
I overlooked your quotes and the double spaced gap between the quote and the original source Hatune Dogan adjacent to your (or non-Muslim Softie) bait.
Regardless you seem to imply that you share the unsupportable opinion yet you offer up absolutely nothing to actually back it up other than an Ad hominem fallacy attack.
Jay Boo says
PJ
Thanks for the support.
As much as I hate Islam, I would never subject anyone to voegelinian’s BS. That would be worst than water-boarding.
Such punishment is clearly banned under the Geneva Convention.
That would be much to cruel.
Jay Boo says
I must admit, when voeg plays his indignation card he plays it well.
But, not well enough.
voegelinian says
“Regardless you seem to imply that you share the unsupportable opinion yet you offer up absolutely nothing to actually back it up other than an Ad hominem fallacy attack.”
To back it up? How about this motherfucking mountain of data we’re sitting on called JIhad Watch? How dare you?
Jay Boo says
voegelinian
Very disingenuous response.
There you go again with that diversionary self-righteous indignation BAIT
Before you go off on a long-winded rant about ancient Mesopotamia let me remind you that your quote —“The Turkish people are the most fanatic there is”—(which you obviously support) is unsupportable.
Rather than admit this, or at least back it up with RELAVENT points, instead you earlier raised up the voeg flag of smug indignation against me and avoided the topic.
Now you toss out your classic ‘go to’ response,
“mountain of data we’re sitting on called JIhad Watch? How dare you?”
It is not about the “you” or the “me”
it is about a lack of honesty.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Hatune has more of a right to say that than you do to demur, “Jay Boo”.”
Has sister Hatune had contact with every single muslim country/sect in existence?
“To back it up? How about this motherfucking mountain of data we’re sitting on called JIhad Watch? How dare you?”
I might consider taking your word for it as long as you point out the mountain of data in JW that supports the idea that the turkish people are the most fanatic there is. Which JW articles outright say that?
Mirren10 says
There’s that inability to comprehend what you read, **again**.
Voegelinian didn’t say that, he was **quoting** Hatune Dogan.
CGW says
Whoa! At the risk of getting blasted myself for interjecting my own opinion, that spasm of aggressive hostility was totally uncalled for, Philip Jihadski. Forgive my honesty, but lately you’re behavior toward voegelinian is much more of a distraction from the thread topics and a detriment to the overall camaraderie of this site’s regulars than voeg’s has ever been. Is there some reason why you can’t ignore his comments, or disagree without the name-calling and insults?
And no, I don’t consider myself the arbiter of all-that’s-acceptable with regard to “free speech rights” here at JW, but I will speak up when I see decorum so utterly disregarded as to denigrate this site, its founders message, and, by extension, the very counter-jihad movement itself.
Personally, I don’t care if you like him or not. But can’t you metaphorically “take it outside”? Must the rest of use be subjected to such blatant and overt internecine hostility when we’re in the midst of trying to focus on the *real* problem, which I remind you is JIHAD, not any nor all of voegelinian’s opinions or ideas about such?
Frankly, I take exception to your constant harping about v’s previous banned status here at JW. Having been banned myself (weren’t you, as well?), I had to scramble to get back into Robert’s good graces. Robert and Hesperado were able to reconcile their differences to the point where Robert graciously allowed Hesp to return in good standing, and yes, I’m proud and honored to say that I had a hand in that. I find it insulting each time I see you denigrate my hard work.
So, in the same vein as “If you can’t be an athlete, at least be an athletic supporter” [!] 😀 , once again I implore ALL of my fellow JWers to please “just get along”. Squabbling in our ranks only serves to hearten and embolden the enemy.
CGW says
So, in the end, CGW – I hate to say it, but you just wasted your time with your missives. Nothing will change. Voeg won’t change, I won’t change, and life will go on.
Yeah, I guess so. But I felt I had to give it the old college try, you know?
Part of the problem is that, due to being here since the beginning, I know everyone differently than most; I’ve seen people evolve over time, and I have a much different perspective on some individuals than perhaps the majority does. I don’t even usually bother with the muslim trolls, I gave that up years ago – although I will lower myself to toy with one from time to time, especially the most egregious types. Normally, though, I leave that to those with the mental energy to still tackle that obdurate insanity that characterizes most muslims. I’m a quick learner, and year after year of beating my head against the proverbial wall is just not for me.
Except, I suppose, when it comes to division in the ranks. Somehow, that always rankles me particularly. Must be that “military aptitude” peeking out. I so gladly enjoy the mutual support among my fellow counter-jihadists that I sometimes despair at the inability of some to come to a meeting of the minds and see that conciliation, compromise and cooperation lead to the greatest success.
I love ya, buddy, but I just have to say it . . . the name-calling and insults seem – well, juvenile. Certainly not befitting someone of your stature, nor that of any of my respected comrades here at JW. It bothers me that you’re becoming known as something of a loud-mouthed hothead. That’s NOT the DMD I’ve come to respect and admire.
I’ve had my say. You’re right, you’re entitled to express yourself however you wish, and I’m under no compunction to read any of it. If I didn’t care, however, I wouldn’t have bothered to comment. Just consider it my two-cents, and we’ll leave it at that.
Take care,
CGW
gravenimage says
Good posts, CGW.
And good to see you commenting again. Hope you are well.
voegelinian says
Good God, all these Counter-Jihadists weighing in here with belligerently abusive rhetoric to defend Muslims. It’s surreal. And profoundly offensive. And that offensiveness is compounded by the silence of other Counter-Jihadists weighing in to defend all the victims of Islam.
Jovial Joe says
I think you’re what’s technically known as a psychopath. The first victims of Islam are Muslims, you’ve heard that said haven’t you? I’ve noticed, first, that nothing anyone ever says to you here at JW by way of counter-argument has the least effect on you and have also noticed your fondness for generalising (as you do all Muslims) the entire JW community as big Muslim-loving softies. Either you are a masochist in continuing to submit yourself to this mental anguish by hanging out here or you are a sadist in the pleasure you garner from dissing everyone here for no good reason. Either way, like I said, you’re a thoroughly unpleasant individual.
Jay Boo says
Falsafa said
“There is a lot of grief, sadness and emotion right now in Turkey over the suffering of the Palestinian people with so many innocent casualties. The views expressed in this article by F. Kose is not shared nor condoned by the vast majority of the Turkish people”
That would seem fairly reasonable assuming we overlooked the excellent points mentioned by Mirren10
But then Falsafa ended with:
“and is but an expression of outrage over the current tragedy.” implying by use of the word “outrage” that Israel is the instigator rather than Hamas.
JIMJFOX says
Falsafa
I lived in Turkey, until I became educated about Islam. Lovely people, helpful, friendly BUT any mention of Islam would end conversation immediately. The intensity of Jew hatred amazed me, in a supposedly secular westernised state.
Inevitably I could no longer live in such a society; needing to be careful what I said and who might overhear. Just one ‘extremist’….
umbra says
Societal Jew hatred is not just ingrained in turkey, but is in many (perhaps all) oic member states. Honest and pristine views regarding Jew hatred in these countries can often be found in simple Koran loving hamlets and villages. Inhabitants there usually do not see the need to deploy taqiyya when discussing their views regarding Jews to westerners.
Uri says
One word: ARMENIANS
Silvia says
3 words – Armenians, Kurds, Greeks.
Silvia says
Shame om me. Add the Assyrians – “only” 750,000 murdered
Marit says
Silvia : Sorry. The Kuds are also muslims. They participatied eagerly in the slaughter of the Armenians.
Even today, they top the list of “honour killings” of their girls and women.
Nor heroes, exactly.
gravenimage says
Silvia wrote:
3 words – Armenians, Kurds, Greeks…Add the Assyrians…
Marit wrote:
Sorry. The Kuds are also muslims. They participatied eagerly in the slaughter of the Armenians.
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Actually, you are *both* right. The Turkish authorities *were* massacring the Kurds during this period (the late 19th- and early 20th-century).
And yet, during this same period, the Kurds were some of the most gleeful and savage in their butchery of the Armenians.
We’ve certainly seen this before—where even minority Muslims victimized by their more orthodox coreligionists are nonetheless only too happy to in turn victimize the despised Infidel.
Peter Balakian chronicles the schizophrenic case of the Kurds during the Armenian Genocide in his excellent but heartbreaking book “The Burning Tigris”.
By the way, other groups targeted by the Turks during the genocide were “Levantine” Christians—and Jews.
The liquidation of the Jewish quarter in the destruction of Smyrna was savage even by the standards of that atrocity.
voegelinian says
Yes, this reflex spasm we find all too often within the Counter-Jihad — to find favor with some group within the Camp of Islam, whether they be Kurds, or the Egyptian People, or the Persian People — involves a curious Alzheimer’s memory lapse about the primary and overwhelmingly overarching problem of the Islam that unifies all Muslims.
Noam says
Four words: Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Cypriots
dumbledoresarmy says
And let’s not forget the Bulgarians, in the early 19th century. Turkish Muslims carried out horrifying orgies of mass-murder upon the Bulgarian Christian dhimmi communities.
In one instance I read about, hundreds of girls were herded into a compound and repeatedly raped (in between their rapists’ going out and slaughtering the girls’ families and neighbours)…and then, after perhaps several days of being raped, the girls were murdered, too.
Charli Main says
The Turks have been practicing genocide on the people of Christian Anatolia since the 11th century.
Armenian, Greek, and Syrian Christians have been relentless butchered by the Turks for nearly a thousand years.
and here we have this two faced piece of Muslim vermin pontificating about the “poor Muslims” in Gaza.
Why don´t you apologise for your genocides, you piece of Muslim shit.
Karl S. says
Hit the nail on the head. To say nothing of the Kurds in Turkey. How this a-hole managed to say all of this while keeping a straight face is beyond me.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Why don´t you apologise for your genocides, you piece of Muslim shit.
Charli, I was wondering something. How do you *really* feel about Moslems?
But well stated, I say.
bobm says
You are a small people islam; small of heart , small of character , small of mind. you are anything but Godly in your ways. You have collectively got a very big surprise coming .. and a very everlasting judgement which befits you.
Huck Folder says
“For WE [the idols of the kaaba shithouse] have made you [mohammedans] the BEST of peoples.”
Anthony North says
I find it annoying when these guys want to praise Hitler. Hitler would be the first person to throw the Muslims out of Germany. Could you imagine Muslims demanding mosques and sharia courts during the third reich? One of the reasons that countries like Germany, Poland and Russia didn’t trust Jewish people was their parallel culture. The situation in Europe with Muslim immigration is almost identical, except the Muslims see themselves as superior. Unfortunately, the events that happened during world war 2 allowed Europe to become ultra liberal and multicultural. Now they’re admitting that multiculturalism doesn’t work.
gravenimage says
Anthony North wrote:
One of the reasons that countries like Germany, Poland and Russia didn’t trust Jewish people was their parallel culture.
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Genocidal pogroms and the Holocaust are a bit more than just ‘not trusting’ Jewish people…
More:
The situation in Europe with Muslim immigration is almost identical, except the Muslims see themselves as superior.
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What rot. Jews have been a major cultural and societal part of the West for centuries, and have made huge artistic and scientific contributions.
It is not just that Muslims “see themselves as superior”, it is that they want to oppress Infidels and destroy civilized European culture and replace it with brutal Shari’ah law.
And this is not something new—Muslims have been conquering, victimizing, and enslaving Infidels in Europe since the 8th-century—in Spain and Portugal, in Sicily and southern Italy, in Greece, in the Balkans, in Russia, in Malta and Cyprus, and as far north as Ireland, where Muslim pirates raided for booty and slaves.
Considering the presence of Jews and Muslims in Europe to be analogous is, I’m afraid, witless *at best*.
devonoagon says
Let’s not forget, that many of the civilian casualties were women and children used as human shields, as many of the rockets and munitions were hidden in mosques, schools and hospitals. Hard to pity a people that put their own in jeopardy just for a p.r. campaign. I guess that never occurred to Mr. Kose. Oh wait, it wouldn’t occur to him since he pretty much agrees with it. My bad.
gravenimage says
Turkish columnist at pro-government newspaper: “God bless that Hitler”
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How many times have we heard this from Muslims before? Mohammedans may hate and despise Infidels, but they admire and respect the Jew-hating, genocidal *Hitler*, and consider the horrifying Holocaust a model.
More:
“There is no way we can accept this ‘genocide movement’ of the ‘Zionist/Jewish terror base’ that is Israel,” wrote Kose, who calls on Jews who “still have a conscience” to publicly apologize…
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Talk about projection—Israel is defending herself against *Muslim aggression*. And she is at pains to prevent civilian injuries. Moreover, she stops fighting back when Hamas promises to end the attacks (not that these promises ever hold, mind you).
Whereas, both Hamas and Fatah have said quite openly—it is in their charters—that they seek the outright destruction of Israel.
More:
Due to these feelings among some Turks, the country’s chief Rabbi, Rav Isak Haleva, should issue a blanket apology and condemn Israel, Kose says.
“You must quickly, without any delay, with a very clear expression, make a statement in the name of the Jews living in Turkey,” Kose wrote to Haleva, outlining what he should say:
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As I was reading the above, it was clear that this *was a threat*. And so it is:
More:
Such a statement would help move Muslim Turks to not commit violent acts against Jews in retaliation for Israel’s military campaign, Kose wrote.
“For this reason, a statement that you will make on behalf of the Jewish community in our country, in which you will reject the Israeli operations, will be an important step to prevent an potential enmity between the Muslims and Jews who have lived here in peace for five centuries,” he wrote.
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If Turkish Jews are not good little dhimmis, then they will be targeted with violence by pious Muslims.
And this last is an ahistoric *lie*—the idea that Muslims treated Jews well until the advent of Israel—nothing could be further from the truth.
The truth is that *all* non-Muslims were targeted during what has become known as the Armenian Genocide, but was really much more widespread.
During the genocide, Jews were frequently butchered or driven out. In 1922 during the terrible destruction of the non-Muslim majority city of Smyrna, the Jewish quarter was also liquidated.
The fact is that there are only a tiny remnant of Jews remaining in Turkey—just a handful of the much larger Jewish community that dated back well over a millenium, and much predated the takeover of Anatolia by the Muslim hordes.
And the 1922 destruction also much predated the founding of modern Israel—so this antisemitic genocide had *nothing* to do with Israel.
Jan Fourowls says
So what are we doing about it to use our words for anything but preaching to the choir here?
Here’s another of my comment series unlikely to be posted today —
Your [http://wamc.org/post/mass-us-senator-markey-weighs-ukraine-and-gaza] failure to “approve” the comment below would only prove that you’re part of the TTHT (Taqiyya Trojan Horse Tactics) brigade.
Consistent with the subtext of his remarks here, Senator Edward Markey, Democrat from Massachusetts, also and not coincidentally on the U.S. Senate’s Committee on Foreign Relations, is co-sponsoring S. 2219 with New York Democrat Congressman Hakeem Jeffries sponsoring H.R. 3878. See https://www.facebook.com/ConcernedAmericansAgainstTheTakeoverOfAmerica/posts/529458160496134. Senator Markey by his remarks about the plane shot down over the Ukraine and about Gaza utterly fails to disclose: (1) the likelihood that Ukrainian Muslim terrorists (with the most to gain from the chaos, and also being unwelcome to non-Muslim “separatists” who know from experience about Islamic terror tactics and are fighting in self-defense against the Muslim terrorists) misused stolen Russian equipment to shoot down the plane, or (2) the ongoing deception and violence of Hamas as a terrorist organization by its 1988 charter (never abrogated), currently requiring its own soldier-citizens in Gaza under Hamas threat to be human shields to Israel’s cross-fire in self-defense after Hamas initiated aggression. Senator Markey is a hypocrite and oligarch who like POTUS betrays the American people in foreign press commentary as well as in Washington, D.C.
As I get informally, behind-the-scenes censored more and more on the internet, I am emailing all my personal contacts and lists with messages like the following:
“Hope you’re having a beautiful Saturday! Thinking of you, wishing only good to all you love.
This email forwards information and a guide to action for anybody who might be similarly moved under rapidly escalating Islamist geopolitical encroachments and new risks to Americans by stealth jihad. We now face a new potential to have our Constitutional freedoms eroded internally through elected officials following the overtly demoralizing terrorism of 9/11, Fort Hood and the Boston Marathon Bombing. (The fact that some legislation tracking websites publish a small likelihood of this anti-freedom legislation passing could be designed to lull us into inaction. In a “taqiyya” world, nothing said or printed can be taken at face value, only what is done or not done.)
There’s a lot of information in the forwarded email. In summary without the provided context, Congressman Hakeem Jeffries sponsoring H.R. 3878 is a Democrat, New Yorker and Muslim.
His co-sponsor in the Senate for S. 2219, Senator Edward Markey, is a Democrat and Liberal from Massachusetts, also and not coincidentally on the U.S. Senate’s Committee on Foreign Relations.
It continues to go increasingly wrong in the UK where Muslims and their apologists who are politically prominent citizens twist more and more control of government into alignment with principles of Sharia law instead of the rule of Western civilization’s law. In America we still have the Constitution which the UK lacks, and which our forebears fought the British to obtain. Congressman Hakeem Jeffries’ bill, aided and abetted by traitorous Senator Markey, is an end-run around the Constitution that many bloggers I read see as a “line in the sand” we should not allow our nation to cross.
I hope and pray Americans will not believe falsely “it cannot happen here” and by inaction not even let their elected leaders know we object as a patriotic people.
And now I’m going to go enjoy the rest of my Saturday while I’m still free to do so!”
dumbledoresarmy says
Posting here isn’t merely “preaching to the choir”.
Many more people lurk and read here, than are signed up to regularly post.
I don’t know the actual numbers, but I think it’s somewhere in the *thousands*.
The regulars here try to post with a view to “adding value”; helping the newcomers, the unseen hundreds or thousands of as-yet-uninformed or only partly-informed, the curious, the people who have googled a name or a phrase and find themselves here for the very first time, to *understand*. Inviting them to stay, and read, and *learn*.
I think of this place as a hedge school. There are the official, fully-trained teachers, such as Mr Spencer, and Nicolai Sennels, and Raymond Ibrahim. And then there are, as in an old-fashioned 19th century school, the “trainee teachers”, the classroom monitors. We have each read different things, we bring different experiences and insights to bear, and all together we add up to something that, I hope, helps others to *learn*.
The other thing to bear in mind is that the *enemy* reads here, too. For every mohammedan boggart or dementor that, identifying itself as such, leaps out onto the comments floor and tries to frighten or demoralise us, or attempts to spread disinformation and/ or sow division, there are others that hide behind masks, pretending to be what they ain’t; and many, many, many lurk and read, without ever coming out in the open. Here, “the walls have ears”. Which is why I visualise it as a Hedge School; it is *not* an entirely secure location. We are overheard, all the time.
Which is why I urge my fellow posters to try not to give way to despair, defeatism, extravagant displays of self-flagellation, and throwings-in of the towel; because all *that* does is feed the enemy’s ego. Those who want to gloat, should get *no* satisfaction here.
I want the mohammedans who lurk behind the hedge or in the shadows by the door, and eavesdrop on our conversations, to be thrown off balance; I want them *rattled* by the fact that so many Infidels are *onto* their little game and not about to be fooled.
I want any disaffected mohammedans who are beginning to question their awful cult, to get “shock treatment” – they won’t hear any flattery or soft soap – but at the same time, they should know that we are going to be *overjoyed* whenever a mohammedan really and truly apostasises.
Jovial Joe says
To that end also, re apostasy, I recommend that Muslims check out the testimonies on Wikislam of those who have left the cult. Inspiring stuff.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear!
gravenimage says
Jan Fourowls wrote:
Senator Markey by his remarks about the plane shot down over the Ukraine and about Gaza utterly fails to disclose: (1) the likelihood that Ukrainian Muslim terrorists…
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Jan, I believe that Islam is responsible for more violence, chaos, and bloodshed in the world today than any other single ideology.
That being said, I don’t believe they are the *only* source.
I’ve really enjoyed reading your posts, Jan, but I believe you are off-base in this instance.
Ukraine has a population of about 45,706,100—fewer than 500,000 of them are Muslim. That’s about .01% of the population.
Russia has a serious problem with Jihad terror, but Ukraine does not appear to at this point. Now, any Muslim population has the potential of growing and becoming a threat—but right now, it does not seem to be an organized threat in Ukraine.
The main thing going on in Ukraine today is ethnic Russians seeking to secede from the Ukraine, and tearing the nation apart in the process. Russia has long dominated Ukraine, and is now funding, arming, and training Russian separatists there.
They have already downed several Ukrainian aircraft in that same region, and I believe that’s what they thought they were doing when they downed Flight MH17.
paddy says
people in Europe are starting to see muslims in the same way they saw jews a hundred years ago….
Silvia says
Only the Jews never did to them what the Muslims are doing to them. The Jews just wanted to be like everybody else. They wanted to be “real Frenchmen/Germans/Italians” etc.
They got mass murdered for it.
citycat says
Get the rest of the world’s Jews to condemn the fighting, but not get the rest of the world’s muslims to condemn the fighting.
abad says
Hating non-Muslims apparently is not too difficult for Muslims.
dumbledoresarmy says
If the few Jews remaining in Turkey have any sense at all, they would be packing their bags and heading for Israel. Or the USA, or Canada, or Australia.
Just get out, already. It’s too dangerous to stay.
Same deal with Morocco and Algeria. And to be frank, France isn’t looking very safe, right now. Or Britain. Too many Mohammedans becoming far too aggressive.
gravenimage says
Here’s more on Sister Hatune Dogan, from Walid Shoebat:
“Sister Hatune Dogan Speaks Of Unspeakable Atrocities After Returning From Trip To Syria”
http://shoebat.com/2014/03/23/sister-hatune-dogan-speaks-unspeakable-atrocities-returning-trip-syria/