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Video flashback: Robert Spencer debates Imam Moustafa Zayed on jihad

Jul 6, 2014 6:17 pm By Robert Spencer

In January 2011 on ABN, I debated the Imam Moustafa Zayed, author of a purported refutation of my book The Truth About Muhammad that he amusingly entitled The Lies About Muhammad and filled with exactly that. The debate topic was “Muhammad Taught Warfare Against and Subjugation of Unbelievers.”

The core of his case here is that the Qur’an, not Muhammad, says that — as if the Islamic traditions of Muhammad have him opposing the teachings of the Qur’an. It’s an entertaining and illuminating debate (particularly in showing how an imam tries to explain away the violent and problematic passages of the Qur’an), but some time ago it disappeared from the Internet. I’ve received several inquiries lately from people trying to find it, and now the good folks at ABN have put it back up.

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  1. crusaderforever says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Robert, I’m not sure if it was this debate or the debate you did about women in islam that had Mustapha Zayed wiping the sweat from his brow after you exposed his lies. LOL. Probably the funniest interview I’ve ever seen. God Bless you.

    • leland paul says

      Jul 6, 2014 at 7:14 pm

      Please shut up? The way you people in the West treats minorities in inhumane and disgusting? So who’s the asshole? You are! All I say is “ALLAH”.

      • John C. Barile says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 7:28 pm

        You are obviously not a native speaker of English. Nor are you thoughtful or reasoned, and that’s an understatement.

      • larry s says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 8:28 pm

        You really say nothing other than “you people are horrible”. As for taking the West to task for its treatment of minorities, well you certainly know how to change the topic. But fair enough- the historical record is pretty bad, but the entire concept of rights of Man comes from the Judeo-Christian West. As Robert observed, there has never been a Muslim majority nation in which minorities had equal rights or even legal standing with Muslims. You like to point to the mote in your neighbor’s eye while ignoring the log in your own.

        Are all people where you come from such idiots, or are you just a special demented case?

        • Transmaster says

          Jul 6, 2014 at 11:04 pm

          larry S it stands to reason these people are idiots when they are supposed to only read a book inspired by another illiterate cretin.

      • Grayman11b4v says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 9:27 pm

        Leland, obviously you wish silence in consent or subordination to islam…
        If mohammed was the prophet, what is the prophecy?
        Mohammed was a fraud and a liar. Islam is a death cult and runs only on blood.

        • Christian Rebel says

          Jul 7, 2014 at 7:40 pm

          I have been wondering for years when someone, anyone other than myself would ask the question: What did mohammad (piss be unto him) ever predict? OK he predicted his own death…whew, what a foresight?! So I know I’m going to die someday, does that make me a prophet too? Fact is: I could find no prophecy at all in the stupid – poorly written koran. Best, H

      • mortimer says

        Jul 6, 2014 at 11:53 pm

        Hey Ieland, Making an ad hominem accusation or a claim is inadequate as an argument. You need facts. What is wrong about Robert Spencer’s ARGUMENT or facts?

        You have no answer. You digress from the topic: Is there a war against disbelievers because they are disbelievers? What do you say?

        ‘Shut up’ isn’t a reasonable argument either, leland. You are unable to put a logical sentence together…similar to the Koran which is also extremely incoherent and lacking a normal sequence of discourse. It is constantly interrupted and jumps from topic to topic…the Koran speaks like one who is demented.

        By the way, I live in the West and minorities have more rights than the founding races. You’re wrong about that too.

      • Kyra says

        Jul 7, 2014 at 1:34 am

        It’s curious that you think 1.6 billion depraved, inbred, mentally deficient, misogynist constitutes a “minority.” And you mean Moloch, that’s who you sacrifice your children to. Now go clean your butt like a good muslim.

      • Beagle says

        Jul 7, 2014 at 1:37 am

        It is not uncommon in Islamic nations for minorities to oppress majorities. In addition to the other way around of course. You have every kind of oppression.

      • Champ ✞ says

        Jul 7, 2014 at 1:55 am

        All I say is “ALLAH”.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Hey using allah as a swear word is *fine* by me, leland …since allah is a false god and NOT the God of the Bible:

        http://kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html

      • Transmaster says

        Jul 7, 2014 at 2:26 am

        OK let us see how you assholes of Allah treat minorities. If they are Christian you kill them, if they are a female you kill them, if they are any other Muslim sect other or your or you disagree with what they are saying you kill them, If they are a Jews you go the paradise when you kill them, in other words you 7th century throw backs can only do things that, destroy, pillage, mutilate,rape, kill, kill, kill, kill, Kill.

      • TH says

        Jul 8, 2014 at 3:24 pm

        You are full of rage, a very comon thing among Muslims. Calm down if you live in the West, nobody is going to masacre you. Be careful if you happen to go to the self-styled Islamic state. Learn a bit of basic human decency, something not common among those who follow Mahhomed either.

      • TH says

        Jul 8, 2014 at 3:24 pm

        You are full of rage, a very comon thing among Muslims. Calm down if you live in the West, nobody is going to masacre you. Be careful if you happen to go to the self-styled Islamic state. Learn a bit of basic human decency, something not common among those who follow Mahhomed either.

      • TH says

        Jul 8, 2014 at 3:30 pm

        To Christian Rebel:
        In the Biblical sense a prophet is not principally one who predicts the future, but one who speaks on God’s behalf or communicates his message. The Bible aslo tells us about false prophets and that is what Mahommed is. He just made up his false prophecies as he went along and attributed them to Allah, who also has almost nothing in common with the God of the Bible. Then there is the other factor and that is that Mahommed is in reality a legend and a myth. Never existed, as least as the Islamic cooked up story tells us. It’s all a fraud with zero historical basis, as Robert has explained in his book Did Mahommed exist?

      • TH says

        Jul 8, 2014 at 3:30 pm

        To Christian Rebel:
        In the Biblical sense a prophet is not principally one who predicts the future, but one who speaks on God’s behalf or communicates his message. The Bible aslo tells us about false prophets and that is what Mahommed is. He just made up his false prophecies as he went along and attributed them to Allah, who also has almost nothing in common with the God of the Bible. Then there is the other factor and that is that Mahommed is in reality a legend and a myth. Never existed, as least as the Islamic cooked up story tells us. It’s all a fraud with zero historical basis, as Robert has explained in his book Did Mahommed exist?

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 8, 2014 at 9:49 pm

        “leland paul” wrote:

        Please shut up? The way you people in the West treats minorities in inhumane and disgusting? So who’s the asshole? You are! All I say is “ALLAH”.
        …………………………….

        Only Muslims want to shut critics up—this is, in fact, a major part of Shari’ah law.

        And whatever the shortcomings of the West’s history re minorities, it is *nothing* compared with the Muslim world’s oppression and enslavement of minorities—including their own coreligionists.

        The West had abolition and “All Men Are Created Equal” and the rights of man—there has never been *anything* like this in Dar-al-Islam. In fact, pious Muslims are now reinstituting the Jizya and calling for the reinstatement of organized slavery ad sex slavery.

        What does “Allah” have to say about that?

        And the implication that the very erudite Robert Spencer referred to Muslims as “assholes” is utterly false.

        The fact is that Muslims have equal rights and full freedom of religion in the West—what they *don’t* have the “freedom” to do is to oppress everyone else.

        My guess is that this is “leland’s” *real* complaint…

  2. Major Summerhill says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    Every time he lapses into guttural Arabic, he curses Robert as a “satanic pig.” Listen closely.

  3. Bradamante says

    Jul 6, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    Very interesting debate! I hadn’t seen it before and as usual, I found it educational and entertaining. I loved the way Mustapha Zayed kept moving the goal posts. “You don’t have even one source. Oh, you do have a source. But I mean, you don’t have a *different* source. Well, OK, you’ve got one more. But I mean, you don’t have…” That’s pretty much how the whole thing went.

    • mortimer says

      Jul 7, 2014 at 12:01 am

      Brad has expressed this well. Zayed evaded the clear teachings of the Koran to subjugate and humiliate disbelievers by citing irrelevant anecdotes (of uncertain historical value, by the way).

      The fact that a caliph (one time) defended a kafir from theft does not mean it is normative Islam, only that the caliph did it ONE TIME. This anecdote is not necessarily a precedent. As with all Islamic actions, the only moral question is expediency…i.e. is an action ‘good’ for Islam or damaging for Islam. Whatever helps Islamic supremacism is ‘good’.

      It takes a strong stomach to debate Muslims because they quote sources for opposing views from authors who also state a contradictory view which they will quote approvingly another time. These Muslim debaters are incoherent and ‘dualistic’…i.e. truth ‘changes’ according to whether or not it benefits Islam. This is indeed ‘moving the goal posts’.

  4. mortimer says

    Jul 7, 2014 at 12:21 am

    ‘Replacement theology’ is the clinching argument! Mohammed justified removing the human rights of Jews, Christians, women and all ‘others’ by claiming other religions were criminal deviations punishable by death. Muslims are the police who must arrest and punish the disbelievers. Some religionists (Jews and Christians) postpone their execution by paying ‘protection’ money.

    Sayed is actually denouncing violent verses in the Koran…he is a deviant who must be punished by other Muslims. I love hearing Sayed defend pedophilia! He considers pedophilia ok. He is morally abominable.

  5. lamp says

    Jul 7, 2014 at 1:25 am

    Wow, I have to thank Robert Spencer for the superb update. The more I get to know about this religion the more I am determined that its not a religion but a political movement.
    Thank you.

  6. Michael Copeland says

    Jul 7, 2014 at 2:51 am

    Islam is “an ideological political movement”, Anjem Choudary explained to the BBC.
    See “Definitely a danger to Western Democracy”
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/5741-definitely-a-danger-to-western-democracy

  7. Steffen Larsen says

    Jul 7, 2014 at 5:27 am

    Moustafa Zayed’s “Lies” is one of the most peculiar and embarrassing books I have ever studied. He had read “The Truth about Muhammed” extremely superficially, and the quotes and interpretations show huge errors you simply cannot miss.

  8. JIMJFOX says

    Jul 7, 2014 at 7:05 am

    He does what every muslim is exhorted to do- LIE for allah and the propagation of islam, both taquiyya and kitman. Therefore, ‘debate’ is not an accurate description- ‘dawah’ is probably nearer the mark for Zayed.

    “For allah is the best of deceivers”

  9. JIMJFOX says

    Jul 7, 2014 at 7:10 am

    Like all religions, Islam cannot stand in the glare of truth- muslims are forced to delude themselves, or they must become apostates. Since death is the penalty, delusion is perfectly understandable and reasonable in this context.

  10. Richie says

    Jul 27, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    any chance someone could upload this on Youtube? I can’t find it there. Im surprised AlohaSnackbar hasn’t uploaded it, he puts up most of the great Robert Spencer videos. As usual, Robert destroyed this fascist in this debate

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