The Protestant reformation was about dogma not doctrine. If Sunni and Shiite
suddenly held hands and sang kum-by-ya, the doctrine of evil would still exist unchanged.
Islam cannot be reformed, only crushed.
nacazosays
Protestant reformation: “We have to return to the original texts of Christianity which show love of God for those who are not Christians so we will love non-Christians”.
Islamic reformation: “We have to return to the original texts of Islam which shows hate of Allah for those who are not Muslims (kuffar) and the actions of a seventh century warlord so we will hate non-Muslims and start terroristic sprees that result in death, kidnappings, robberies, destruction of property, mayhem”.
Walter Sieruksays
The idea of “reforming” Islam is very unrealistic. For with Islam there is really nothing good on which is rest the foundation of reformation on. For the whole religion when seeing it without its deception is evil. As the Bible teaches “That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.” [K.J.V.]
nacazosays
You think reformation is to form sothing benign which may be impossible with Islam but re-formation really means re-form, form/create something different, which is very possible and it’s happening right now in Iraq and even in the west. Now if what was being created were something benign everyone would applaud but unfortunately what is being formed is a seventh century warlord type of dominion but with twenty-first century nuclear weapons.
Maybe America/Europe could be re-formed into a caliphate appendage with sharia law which would be a reformation but not benign. We would see competing factions calling each other takfir in their search for power and killing evryone and their mother in the process as is happening in many islamic paradises.
John W Bletschsays
Could this Protestant reformation be the Chrislam cult now appearing and spreading? This Chrislam is false teaching without even hearing their doctrine. Christianity and Islam cannot co-exist when the later wants to kill the former. We cannot accept nor condone their demonic practices and for that we are under their death penalty. Sharia and the Constitution are incompatible and cannot share governance of this nation. Those who are rolling over to allow Islam to have its way will rue the day when their heads are on the pikes.
Walter Sieruksays
First, the above verse I sited I for got to keyboard down .Which is Ecclesiastes 1:15. Second, to further explain the the Protestant reformation was possible and happened and an Islam “reformation” is not possible and will not happen is because the Protestant Reformation was based on the Bible, the Word of the true Living God. In contras,t an Islamic “reformation” cannot occur for bases of Islam is the Quran which is not only a hoax but a work inspired by Satan. In many other postings I put in this site showed this statement to be true.
Agha Ali Arkhansays
Perhaps Muslims who commit murders and acts of mayhem feel in their hearts the power of Islam and its adherents behind them. Those of other beliefs probably would not feel that power. Consequently, this feeling of power makes Muslims stronger?
Grayman11b4vsays
That statement illustrates how base islam is
Kephasays
Also, the Protestant Reformation answered that question “how shall man be just before God?” by harking to a doctrine of forensic justification; whereby the faith of the believer lays hold of the righteousness of Christ, his sacrifice on the cross, and his resurrection–with the believer’s sins credited to Christ (punished on the cross, left behind in the tomb) and Christ’s righteousness credited to the believer.
This also called for a change in the way the sacraments are understood, and what the place of the church is. And, of course, Protestantism allowed the Bible to act as critic of church tradition.
I believe that ignorant Western liberals pin their hopes on an “Islamic Reformation” on their assumption that “Protestant” means something between the post-Hegelian German academic theological modernism which questioned and jettisoned every aspect of the historic Christian faith and modern Unitarian Universalism, which is all about nothing but the fatherhood of God, the brotherhood of man, and the neighborhood of the EasternSeaboard. Add to this the modern Western liberal’s general ignorance of both Bible on the one hand and Qur’an and Hadith on the other (including a widespread superstition that the Qur’an somehow reiterates “biblical” religion in a simplified form), and you have this fatuous call for an “Islamic Reformation”.
This Protestant (and a lot of others) continues to believe that the only Muslim Reformation worth considering is the widespread conversion of Muslims to the Christ found in the Old and New Testaments. We’ll talk respectfully with Muslims, but our goal will always be to find an opening for the Gospel.
nacazosays
When someone talks about reform, they want to change their surrounding into something “better”.
What if you believed the best political system “ever” was the warlord dictatorship of mohammed in the seventh century arabian city of medina?
You would want to re-form your country into a sharia law based system such as that of medina which is a reform but I personally don’t like and would do my best to prevent such “reformation”.
Bad Neighboursays
According to Muslims the Koran was revealed to Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel, who recited passages of the book piecemeal over a period of years. Gabriel was reading from the original Koran, which is in heaven. The Koran therefore cannot be reformed and Islam cannot be reformed. Anyone hoping for reform is just projecting their values on to the situation.
Guy Macher says
The Protestant reformation was about dogma not doctrine. If Sunni and Shiite
suddenly held hands and sang kum-by-ya, the doctrine of evil would still exist unchanged.
Islam cannot be reformed, only crushed.
nacazo says
Protestant reformation: “We have to return to the original texts of Christianity which show love of God for those who are not Christians so we will love non-Christians”.
Islamic reformation: “We have to return to the original texts of Islam which shows hate of Allah for those who are not Muslims (kuffar) and the actions of a seventh century warlord so we will hate non-Muslims and start terroristic sprees that result in death, kidnappings, robberies, destruction of property, mayhem”.
Walter Sieruk says
The idea of “reforming” Islam is very unrealistic. For with Islam there is really nothing good on which is rest the foundation of reformation on. For the whole religion when seeing it without its deception is evil. As the Bible teaches “That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.” [K.J.V.]
nacazo says
You think reformation is to form sothing benign which may be impossible with Islam but re-formation really means re-form, form/create something different, which is very possible and it’s happening right now in Iraq and even in the west. Now if what was being created were something benign everyone would applaud but unfortunately what is being formed is a seventh century warlord type of dominion but with twenty-first century nuclear weapons.
Maybe America/Europe could be re-formed into a caliphate appendage with sharia law which would be a reformation but not benign. We would see competing factions calling each other takfir in their search for power and killing evryone and their mother in the process as is happening in many islamic paradises.
John W Bletsch says
Could this Protestant reformation be the Chrislam cult now appearing and spreading? This Chrislam is false teaching without even hearing their doctrine. Christianity and Islam cannot co-exist when the later wants to kill the former. We cannot accept nor condone their demonic practices and for that we are under their death penalty. Sharia and the Constitution are incompatible and cannot share governance of this nation. Those who are rolling over to allow Islam to have its way will rue the day when their heads are on the pikes.
Walter Sieruk says
First, the above verse I sited I for got to keyboard down .Which is Ecclesiastes 1:15. Second, to further explain the the Protestant reformation was possible and happened and an Islam “reformation” is not possible and will not happen is because the Protestant Reformation was based on the Bible, the Word of the true Living God. In contras,t an Islamic “reformation” cannot occur for bases of Islam is the Quran which is not only a hoax but a work inspired by Satan. In many other postings I put in this site showed this statement to be true.
Agha Ali Arkhan says
Perhaps Muslims who commit murders and acts of mayhem feel in their hearts the power of Islam and its adherents behind them. Those of other beliefs probably would not feel that power. Consequently, this feeling of power makes Muslims stronger?
Grayman11b4v says
That statement illustrates how base islam is
Kepha says
Also, the Protestant Reformation answered that question “how shall man be just before God?” by harking to a doctrine of forensic justification; whereby the faith of the believer lays hold of the righteousness of Christ, his sacrifice on the cross, and his resurrection–with the believer’s sins credited to Christ (punished on the cross, left behind in the tomb) and Christ’s righteousness credited to the believer.
This also called for a change in the way the sacraments are understood, and what the place of the church is. And, of course, Protestantism allowed the Bible to act as critic of church tradition.
I believe that ignorant Western liberals pin their hopes on an “Islamic Reformation” on their assumption that “Protestant” means something between the post-Hegelian German academic theological modernism which questioned and jettisoned every aspect of the historic Christian faith and modern Unitarian Universalism, which is all about nothing but the fatherhood of God, the brotherhood of man, and the neighborhood of the EasternSeaboard. Add to this the modern Western liberal’s general ignorance of both Bible on the one hand and Qur’an and Hadith on the other (including a widespread superstition that the Qur’an somehow reiterates “biblical” religion in a simplified form), and you have this fatuous call for an “Islamic Reformation”.
This Protestant (and a lot of others) continues to believe that the only Muslim Reformation worth considering is the widespread conversion of Muslims to the Christ found in the Old and New Testaments. We’ll talk respectfully with Muslims, but our goal will always be to find an opening for the Gospel.
nacazo says
When someone talks about reform, they want to change their surrounding into something “better”.
What if you believed the best political system “ever” was the warlord dictatorship of mohammed in the seventh century arabian city of medina?
You would want to re-form your country into a sharia law based system such as that of medina which is a reform but I personally don’t like and would do my best to prevent such “reformation”.
Bad Neighbour says
According to Muslims the Koran was revealed to Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel, who recited passages of the book piecemeal over a period of years. Gabriel was reading from the original Koran, which is in heaven. The Koran therefore cannot be reformed and Islam cannot be reformed. Anyone hoping for reform is just projecting their values on to the situation.