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Australia Muslim groups reject new terror laws: “There is no solid evidence to substantiate this threat”

Aug 22, 2014 8:26 am By Robert Spencer

AustraliaMuslims2It takes a particular quality of chutzpah to claim that there is no evidence to substantiate this threat just as Islamic jihadists behead James Foley, threaten to drown the U.S. in blood, and continue to advance not only in Iraq but in Nigeria and elsewhere. “It is instructive that similar issues about Australian troops travelling abroad to fight or Jews travelling to train or fight with the Israeli Defence Force are simply never raised.” It is instructive that Muslim groups in Australia would dare to make such cynical comparisons. Australian troops traveling abroad to fight and Jews traveling to train or fight with the IDF are not sworn enemies of the Australian state and all other non-Muslim governments. Muslims who travel from Australia to fight with the Islamic State are. “Muslim groups reject new terror laws,” News.com.au, August 20, 2014 (thanks to Pamela Geller):

LEADING members of the Muslim community have dismissed planned new terror laws, saying they are a response to a trumped-up threat.

A STATEMENT signed by a large number of Muslim sheiks, community leaders, activists and organisations argues there is no evidence to substantiate the threat the federal government says is posed by radicalised Muslims returning from Iraq and Syria.

It comes as Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Attorney-General George Brandis set about selling their proposed new terror laws to the Muslim community.

It also comes the same day the Islamic State jihadist group posted a video showing the apparent execution of captured American journalist James Foley.

The government is proposing a range of new terror laws which, among much else, make it an offence to travel to certain locations overseas.

The statement, released to the media and also posted on the Islam in Australia website, says the primary basis of the new laws was a “trumped-up threat” from radicalised Muslims returning from Iraq or Syria.

“There is no solid evidence to substantiate this threat,” it says.

“Rather, racist caricatures of Muslims as backwards, prone to violence and inherently problematic are being exploited.

“It is instructive that similar issues about Australian troops travelling abroad to fight or Jews travelling to train or fight with the Israeli Defence Force are simply never raised.”

The statement also notes that the “hysterical rhetoric” of government ministers contrasts with the official threat level that hadn’t changed since 2001.

“The Muslim community is being asked to sign-off on laws and policies that have already been decided,” the statement says.

It goes on to say Prime Minister Tony Abbott was seeking approval under the cover of consultation.

It also says the so-called “war on terror” had been a failure because everyone could see the world was not a safer place.

“The approach of continuously ramping up laws, lowering legal standards, spending more on defence and intelligence agencies is not working.”

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  1. Jaladhi says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 8:37 am

    Muslims are liars, all over the world, Australian Muslims being no exception!!

    • JOHN SPIELMAN says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 9:07 am

      well of course they lie! Lying is behavior that is sanctified( made holy ) in islam because Muhammed that demon possessed mass murderer, thief misogynist and PEDOPHILE was a LIAR as well. Allah( Satan to nonmuslims) requires deception (lying ) to gain advantage over people because is too weak as he is not God almighty but a mere fallen angel.

      • Rob says

        Aug 22, 2014 at 11:27 am

        That’s correct. Here’s my song about islamic deception and taqiyya:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe0BNKoGON4

    • Damian Utano says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      It’s a blatant political maneuver. They are sheep in wolves clothing. The thief comes to steal, kill and destroy. there is nothing redeemable about Islam…

  2. Jaladhi says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 8:44 am

    Why does Australia needs approval Muslims to enact anti-terror laws of the land. what are they afraid of??

    • David says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 8:51 am

      Probably afraid of another riot like we had in Sydney, after the You Tube Muhammad movie Jaladhi.

    • Beagle says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 9:36 am

      I think people keep expecting, against all evidence, Muslim leaders to be reasonable folks and to respect the needs and concerns of their host nations.

    • Shane says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 9:45 am

      Libs are terrified of being called racist or prejudiced against Muslims. Of course, it is nonsense to call those who don’t like Islam racists, as Islam is a religion and a political system. It would be as senseless as calling those who oppose Communism racists.

      As far as the word “Islamophobe,” it does not makes sense as a phobia is an irrational fear and non-Muslims being afraid of Muslims is not irrational at all.

    • Rob says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 3:33 pm

      What about one law for all?

    • enwhitenment says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 11:52 pm

      They consider themselves as a separate community, that is they consider themselves as separate and their beliefs as superior to those of mainstream Australians.
      They educate their children from a young age with a mentality of “us and them”.
      They go to great lengths to amass and hide wealth outside the laws of the country.
      They organise groups to invoke mass voting to install their members into councils and government.
      They believe their laws are superior to all other and welcome the establishment of the caliphate .
      They believe that islam will dominate the world and all people will be ruled by sharia law.
      So why ask what do they have to hide ? the answer is the truth.
      While some may disagree on timing all seek the same ending.
      Supremacists will use any means to gain power and control.
      Deception and lying are age old skills honed and used with honour to further the march toward domination.
      It is how many of them entered Australia in the first place.

    • Lesley Ward says

      Aug 24, 2014 at 4:42 am

      It is time our (Australian) politicians stopped pussyfooting around these Muslims. Accept and speak openly that 99% of all terrorists globally are “Muslim”. AND more importantly time to ask these criticising, indignant dickheads to explain for a change, WHAT is being taught their youth to make them want to pursue jihad, either here or overseas? Time to stand up, these muslims represent 2% of our population and frankly are by their very lack of condemnation of jihad “irrelevant”.

    • Brian Ozzy says

      Aug 24, 2014 at 10:46 pm

      Exactly Jaladhi! Why does Abbot need to consult with Muslim Leaders. Who gives a tinker’s curse what they think and we all know that their continual victim whining complaints are never ending whatever’s done to appease them. They are members (unfortunately) of our community and can accept laws as they are made like the rest of us. I think that it is an insult to the people of Australia that these intolerant followers of a terrorist manifesto like the koran should be asked to ratify a new law of any sort. Such laws would not be necessary in any country if it wasn’t for the belligerent, murderous hatred that islam dictates.
      Oh, and before anyone makes the usual sniveling, uneducated comment about “islam being a religion of peace” read the Koran and the Hadiths and your mind will be changed forever.

  3. Angemon says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 9:19 am

    “There is no solid evidence to substantiate this threat,” it says.

    Except for all the solid evidence that substantiates that threat.

    “Rather, racist caricatures of Muslims as backwards, prone to violence and inherently problematic are being exploited.

    Muslim is as muslim do. And islam is as islam mandates in its tenets.

    quran 5:51:

    O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

    quran 9:5

    And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

    quran 9:29

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

    “It is instructive that similar issues about Australian troops travelling abroad to fight or Jews travelling to train or fight with the Israeli Defence Force are simply never raised.”

    I’m not sure who he’s talking about when referring to Australian troops traveling abroad to fight. Is it members of the Australian Army sent on UN peacekeeping missions or Australians with military background fighting as mercenaries? In any case, muslims who go to fight for islamic terrorist groups are undoubtedly pledging their alliance to an ideology diametrically opposed to Australian/Western core values. Same can’t be said for Jews fighting for the IDF – in fact, Jews fighting for the IDF are fighting against islamic terrorists. Why should they be considered a threat? It makes as much sense as claiming that a police officer and a deranged killer are equally as dangerous because they both carry a weapon. Such a feckless attempt at moral equivalence is evidence that Australian authorities simply can not trust the leading members of its muslim community, and the whole community by proxy. It should be more than enough reason to justify an investigation on all the mosques and imams.

    • BUTSeriously says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 9:57 am

      Making equivalences is a game of the Islamists. Israel is facing an existential situation by Islamists posing as Palestinians, a symbol exclusive to Jews for 2,000 years. Israel has never occupied another peoples’ land in all her 4,000 year history: Islamists have robbed every land they stand on. The regime states are fictions which never existed 100 years ago; Israel was a sovereign state 3,000 years ago.

  4. Rajivi says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 9:26 am

    It was reported that Australian PM had issued stern warnings to the Muslims, stating that they may remain in Aus, if they follow Australian Rules and who oppose them, may leave the country..
    Now, what was the necessity of seeking their approval (under the cover of consultation) for the proposed law changes?

    • Beagle says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 9:34 am

      “It was reported that Australian PM had issued stern warnings to the Muslims, stating that they may remain in Aus, if they follow Australian Rules and who oppose them, may leave the country..”

      Under the Islamic rules for hijrah (immigration for conquest) this will cause them much consternation. Muslims may only move to the Dar al-Harb in order to spread Islam, become leaders, and wage jihad. To follow the rules of the kuffar is not an option theologically speaking.

  5. Mike says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Just when Australia began to defer matters of national security to Muslim community leaders – I am not sure but this is a very disturbing eventuation. It might be because Muslims now hold a substantial voting influence in 21 electorates.
    As for the “large number of Muslim sheiks, community leaders, activists and organisations” who insist there is no evidence to substantiate a threat posed by Muslims returning from Syria or Iraq – can they please do some research. There is indeed plenty of evidence to prove that returning Jihadis do indeed pose an enormous threat. The conflicts on Kashmir, Aceh and South Thailand were further inflamed and expanded by battle hardened returnees from Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia and elsewhere who who brought their grievances, expertise, connections and friends with them. For a “Muslim scholar”or anyone else to deny this fact indicates that they must be embarrassingly ignorant, a fool or deliberately and deviously misleading.

    • enwhitenment says

      Aug 23, 2014 at 2:19 am

      For a “Muslim scholar” or anyone else to deny this fact indicates that they must be embarrassingly ignorant, a fool or deliberately and deviously misleading.
      Mike you just hit the nail on the head.

  6. Charli Main says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Now listen up all you kaffirs. There is absolutely no need of anti terror laws in Australia or anywhere else. Why do you keep on persisting in your baseless denials that Islam is a religion of peace ??????
    Look now kaffirs, as long as you don´t commit any transgressions against Islam or all us peace loving Muslims, there will be no need to defend ourselves.
    Don´t upset us Muslims by committing the following transgressions—
    Refusal to convert to Islam or pay Jizya.
    Refusal to allow us to take your country over and introduce Sharia laws.
    Refusal to allow us to use your wives and daughters for our sexual pleasure.
    Refusal to allow us access to your herds of sheep and goats for similar purposes.
    Refusal to allow us to convert all your Holy places into Mosques.
    Refusal to wear appropriate Dhimini clothing in the presence of Muslims.
    Just follow these simple rules and there will be no need for all these ridiculous anti terror laws.

    • Jovial Joe says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 10:30 am

      Brilliant!!

  7. Ralph says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 10:23 am

    They are all the same and including the US President, Obama the Muslim.

  8. EmHotep says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Honestly its too late for Australia, I had warn the authorities between 93-97 for the danger of Islam while I was living in Sydney. Sooner or later islam will take over the country.. They really need to develop very strict laws against muslims. If needed they shall deport people who wear turban burqa etc.

    • Beagle says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 11:24 am

      Usually the turbaned ones are Sikhs, non-Muslims.

      Muslims have a bunch of hats, from the mufti Santa hat and the one which looks like the Jewish, eh.. yarmulke! (Pulled that one out at the last minute.)

    • Jax Tolmen says

      Aug 23, 2014 at 8:51 am

      I disagree. I live in Sydney. Public opinion is very much against Muslims. The only people who are drinking the “PCMC” kool aid here are ignorant University students and the MSM. Everyone else hates them and actively avoids areas where there are lots of them. Bankstown is regarded as the worst place in Sydney simply because the place is full of Muslims. There are articles in the newspapers blaming terrorism on Islam, and they don’t attract any sort of backlash.

      Australia is not the United Kingdom.

  9. bicky says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 11:08 am

    To the Australian natives.

    Mr. Muhammed Bin Abdallah ( The Mahound ) was an immigrant mafiosi who immigrated to Yathrib( aka Medina ) along with his gang members, as the civilized Meccans were at their wits end due to the daily jihad committed by the Mahound s gang on them.At first the Meccans tried a lot of ” interfaith ” dialogue which naturally failed.

    So, they immigated to Yathrib, where the natives believed that ” multiculturalism and diversity ” was a good idea. All business was owned by Jews.The leader of Yathrib was a good bloke by the name of Abd-Allah ibn Ubayy.

    Soon, The Mahound and his gang took control of Mecca , got rid of the Jews and Abd-Allah ibn Ubayy.The Mahound renamed Yathrib after himself , Medinat-ul-Nabi, ie the Prophet s town.

    In this heinous crime the Mahound was helped by the native Medinans, who were called the ” Ansars “. Some Ansars even allowed the mujahirs ( ie the Mahound s gang members ) to sleep with their wives.

    We see a similar situation now in all Kuffar lands., the mujahirs ( ie muslims ) immigrate to Kuffar lands, slowly and slowly they spread their tentacles, and get tremendous support from modern day Ansars, i . e . The Leftists and Liberals,

    The most prominent Ansars of the present age are Ms Karen Armstrong, Johnny the exposed ito, Glen Green bald etc. to name a few.

    As I see it, all kuffars are facing an existential threat from Muslims.From my personal experience, i know them very very well.I have studied them up very very close, first hand,right from my childhood.My experience very well fits in with what Mr. Ali Sina , Robert , Gert wilders, Lee Penn etc has to say.
    I can say with 100 % certainty that my fear of them is NOT irrational.

    So, Please Mr. Tony Scot , u know very well that u are not being racist at all, Do NOT take the opinion of Muslims before framing the New Anti terror laws, Simply enact it, otherwise , not only Australiia, entire kuffar lands are in grave danger.

    • bicky says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 11:15 am

      “Soon, The Mahound and his gang took control of Mecca ”

      Sorry , typo error read as” Medina “

  10. CogitoErgoSum says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    I still say some of the Muslims’ own tactics should be used against them. Turn the idea of the jizya against them. Tax them until it hurts to be a Muslim. Place a special tax on every single printed copy of the Quran. Tax every mosque. Make every person who enters a mosque sign a registration list of visitors to the mosque and then make every person on the list pay a special tax. Place a special tax on the water and electricity used by the mosque. Place a special tax on all halal food. Tax the clothes they wear and air they breathe. Tax them here, there and every which way to Friday. Tax the hell out of them.

    • Jerry says

      Aug 22, 2014 at 5:01 pm

      What a delightful idea!

    • Will Doohan says

      Aug 23, 2014 at 2:35 am

      “Stop complaining Mr. Muslim. As long as you pay the Jizya to us in willing submission whilst we take a stick and hit you in the neck with it in a simulated beheading, there won’t be any problem with you living in our community. Oh, and by the way, make sure you wear the special clothing we have designed for you, get out of the way when a non-muslim is walking or driving down the street, always give up your seat when a non-muslim demands it, allow us to assault you whenever it amuses us, and make sure your house is lower than all the other houses in town, there won’t be any problems and we won’t have to summarily execute you, your family, and as many of your community as we have to in order to prevent ‘mischief in the land’. “

  11. pdxnag says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Can’t we all just redefine sedition? If seditious acts are no longer called sedition then we can all just go about our daily lives in peace.

    (But of course it is the non-Muslims who are viewed as the seditious ones, under sharia. The Muslim thugs are demanding no less than parity in government affairs, for the time being.)

  12. somehistory says

    Aug 22, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    Guess the muslim that threatened to “slit the throat” of the officer and has been given a light sentence due to being *remorseful*and *immature* didn’t get the non-violence memo these muslim community guys have issued.

    When people complain about a law that would seemingly benefit the average Joe and Jane, maybe all of John Q. Public, there just might be a nefarious reason behind the complaint.

  13. JIMJFOX says

    Aug 23, 2014 at 1:45 am

    Perhaps it is time to declare war on these ‘moderate muslims’

    They are in effect declaring war on their host, much as parasitic wasps do in nature.

  14. Johnny Canuck says

    Aug 23, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Islam is the religion/ideology of the dross of world society, i.e., people who would rather herd goats, live off the proceeds of oil revenue or freeload on more advanced countries than contribute to the well-being of the modern world. Moreover, their trite little prayer book, the Koran, teaches that murder and mayhem are preferable to hard work when Muslims wish to advance in the world. Why should a Muslim expend sweat when he can simply take what he needs by killing or subjugating the infidels who have striven to create a society that is culturally and technologically advanced and, for the time being, democratic? The risible god Allah and his ludicrous sidekick Mohammad tell Muslims that it is their right to conquer and rule the world and plunge it into the hell known as sharia. But history shows that sharia favors Muslims only by allowing them to rape, murder and enslave enlightened achievers.

    The Jews showed the world what could be done with a small patch of swamp and desert when they legally purchased land in their ancient homeland of Judea. They shed tears and sweat to create a productive country out of land that was eschewed by Arabs as too difficult to cultivate. Through assiduous work, the Jews built a backwater of the Ottoman Empire into a jewel of prosperity and democracy that is now the State of Israel, as voted on and passed by the member states of the UN in 1947/48. The Muslims hate this little country because it shows what determination, hard work and a vision to the future can accomplish– everything that laziness, arrogance and sharia rule will never achieve.

  15. dumbledoresarmy says

    Aug 23, 2014 at 11:38 pm

    From the article – “A STATEMENT signed by a large number of Muslim sheiks, community leaders, activists and organisations”.

    Handy it is when they all sign their names to something.

    If *I* were the AFP and ASIO – and the local police in every state of Australia – I would use that list of names as a jumping-off-point for further investigation. I’d cross-check with Mossad, too. (The Yanks and MI5 are bit wonky at the moment; caution would be required when cross-checking there).

    *Every individual and every organisation* that signed off on that letter would be minutely and thoroughly investigated, on all levels. And I’d run every name through the MEMRI sieve; and hire a few non-Muslim folks who spoke the relevant languages, to do a careful trawl through the wilder reaches of youtube.

    And every one of those individuals and organisations – and their associates – should be *watched*, henceforward.

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