“For me to have the Shahada flag, as it’s called, that’s a flag that I stand and live and die for and I don’t stand and live and die for the Australian flag.” So says Wissam Haddad. But Tony Abbott says: “My position is that everyone has got to be on Team Australia.” One of them is going to have to give.
“Islam in Australia: Living and dying for the flag of Allah,” by Geoff Chambers, The Daily Telegraph, August 19, 2014 (thanks to Kenneth):
A SENIOR leader of radical Sydney-based Islamic organisation al-Risalah has denounced the Australian flag, as the group’s supporters posted Facebook messages about beheading “non-believers”.
Wissam Haddad, the head of the al-Risalah Islamic Centre in Sydney’s southwest, yesterday told The Daily Telegraph he followed the “flag of Allah” rather than the flag of Australia.
The flag, called the Shahada, is the same as the one used by Islamic State terrorists who have been spreading death and terror across the Middle East.
“I’m not comfortable personally holding the (Australian) flag because this flag does not represent me as a Muslim. My flag is the flag of Allah. That’s my flag.
“For me to have the Shahada flag, as it’s called, that’s a flag that I stand and live and die for and I don’t stand and live and die for the Australian flag.”
Mr Haddad’s comments came just hours after Prime Minister Tony Abbott told Ray Hadley on 2GB radio that “the only flag that should be flying is the Australian national flag”.
The PM sat down with community leaders yesterday in a bid to allay fears about recently beefed-up counter-terror laws.
“We’ve got a serious problem of radicalised people going to the Middle East to fight with terrorist groups,” he said.
“Some of them will want to come back to Australia and they do pose a risk if they do, because they’ve been radicalised, militarised and brutalised by the experience.”
The Prime Minister said about two-thirds of people who returned from Afghanistan went on to be involved in “home-grown terrorist plotting”.
“So we do have to be vigilant against it, and my position is that everyone has got to be on Team Australia,” he said.
Mr Haddad, who has ties to Sydney men fighting with Islamic State terrorists in Iraq and Syria, avoids appearing in public and never allows his photograph to be taken.
He said his group was entitled to fly the ancient symbol.
He cited the “genocide of Aboriginals” and the use of their flag as justification for supporting the Shahada.
Mr Haddad, who was not invited to join a group of Muslims for talks with Mr Abbott yesterday, has had eight social media accounts shut down, forcing him to rename his profile. He claims Muslims are being unfairly targeted both by Facebook and Twitter.
“I know a lot of people (who have had to shut down and restart their accounts),” he said. “Pretty much anyone very outspoken is getting their accounts shut down.”
In the past week, al-Risalah followers have posted messages about beheading, in the wake of the shocking image of Sydney terrorist Khaled Sharrouf’s son holding the severed head of a Syrian soldier.
This followed fellow terrorist and former Sydney boxer Mohamed Elomar posting similar photographs on Twitter. Al-Risalah members wear black supporter vests, which sell for $65.
The al-Risalah centre has hosted radical preachers, and Mr Haddad is a supporter of the Islamic State’s “Jizyah” protection tax on Christians and Jews in Syria and Iraq.
Also yesterday, teenage Muslim extremist Sulyman Khalid, who was arrested for an alleged hate crime against a Bankstown cleaner, has been released on bail. Mr Khalid, who calls himself Abu Bakr, will front Bankstown Local Court on September[.]
GP says
Specifically, how is a mosque a threat to the community within which it is built?
Every single mosque in the world, by definition, is modeled on the mosque of Muhammad in Medina in accordance with the Sunnah. The Sunnah interprets the Qur’an by reporting exhaustively on everything that Muhammad said, did, or consented to. Therefore, his Medina mosque, the first mosque, was a place where he gave judgments, where he decided who would be executed, where he instituted policy—domestic and military— where Jihad war strategies were designed. Consequently, it was a storage place for arms, a military training base, and was where troops were blessed and dispatched. Literally they were sent to conquer – Sam Solomon, former professor of sharia law
Come on people wake up and smell the peace of Islam!
Beagle says
That’s a very educational quote. Saw that on other thread.
When Al-Sadr took over Najaf and set up his sharia court / command and control center in the mosque, same thing.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/09/10/tales-brutality-in-al-sadr-religious-court/
To me, this explained a lot about the news coverage at that time:
“In its heyday, the court issued accreditation to foreign journalists.”
BC says
Also when a mosque is opened or built in a residential area, there is immediately a parking problem as you cannot expect the devoted to walk there.
Then of course the property values go down, nobody wants to live near a mosque where there is parking congestion and crowds of Muslims are are gathering. So the now cheap property is
snapped up by Muslims who of course want to live close to their mosque
and of course the non Muslims have moved out. It is like a tropical ulcer it just keeps getting bigger until their is yet another Muslim enclave where non Muslims are unwelcome
TH says
It is not only the parking problem, it is also the noise.
thetraveller says
Generalising is a fools game… Congratulations you are smearing everyone with the same brush, but in ignorance…
We have some seriously crazy Red Necks in our society as well and in fact the USA has more than its share…
If ever there was a nationality that can be lab led as TERRORISM CENTRAL it would be the USA….. History will show that they have started, been involved in and supplied arms to, everything that has been a problem spot in the world in the last 50 years..
You have the bull by the horns and nothing will fix your form of ignorance
gravenimage says
“thetraveller” wrote:
Generalising is a fools game… Congratulations you are smearing everyone with the same brush, but in ignorance…
……………………………….
What crap. These are Muslim leader Wissam Haddad’s words, not ours—he is asserting that pious Muslims have no loyalty to any Western country—this is not something Anti-Jihadists have cooked up.
Moreover, pious Muslims bear out these attitudes throughout the West—indeed, throughout Dar-al-Harb.
More:
We have some seriously crazy Red Necks in our society as well and in fact the USA has more than its share…
……………………………….
More crap. It is not “crazy Red Necks” who are *lauding beheadings*, as these pious Muslims are doing.
More:
If ever there was a nationality that can be lab (sic) led (sic) as TERRORISM CENTRAL it would be the USA…
……………………………….
It seems “thetraveller” is revealing his agenda here—that daring to *oppose* Fascism and Jihad (no matter how inconsistently)—is “terrorism”.
Interesting speculation: I wonder if “thetraveller’s” moniker comes from “The Reliance of the Traveller” (‘Umdat as-Salik wa ‘Uddat an-Nasik)—a classic handbook of Islamic savagery?
mad-aussie says
Time to Nuke Mecca and Medina, Islamic Symbols of War on all non Muslims.As far as Islam being a religion of Peace . What Utter Pig Shit this statement is. We are tied of hearing the same lies told over and over again. Unlike most Muslim Parasites in the world, we are educated and see through your Bullshit. If you believe your own lies and you probably do. Then your IQ is very low { a result of inbreeding I should think}
Woflgang says
Islamic council of Victoria pulls out of talks with Prime Minister Abbot
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/08/19/06/33/welfare-cuts-to-extremists-risky-experts
” Mr Abbot’s comments in the radio interview included “everyone has got to be on team Australia” and “you don’t migrate to this country unless you want to join our team”.
“What we look for from our Prime Minister is true leadership in difficult times but what we find … is a Prime Minister who wilfully places our community in the crosshairs of every bigot and racist in the country,” Mr Krayem said.
“When we are trying to build harmony and goodwill across the community we cannot understand the motives behind the Prime Minister’s inflammatory remarks.
“Accordingly, the ICV has withdrawn its attendance from today’s meeting and urges all other community leaders to do likewise.”
Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/08/19/06/33/welfare-cuts-to-extremists-risky-experts#uHYf6KB7sHEqtfHf.99
Also :
” But Australian terrorism experts say the government’s plan to cut welfare payments for extremist action is risky and could push vulnerable people into the hands of terror organisations.
Terrorist organisations often use financial support as a lure to attract potential extremists and cutting payments could make those offers more attractive, the experts say.
“It’s a very, very risky strategy,” Victoria University Professor Michele Grossman told Fairfax.
My question is who is kidding who here ?, the nature of Islam under Sharia law under is to lie, Australia was NOT founded as a Muslim country, Australia has 350,000 Muslims, the rest of us came to Australia and renounced citizenship of other countries for the most part , yet a small minority out of 23 plus million people are offended that Abbot is saying we must be all on team Australia and if you are not then you are not welcome ?.
As usual the lily livered spineless politicians will bow down to a radical minority , you can’t offend the Muslim radicals and jihadists ! of course if you are a infidel in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Indonesia our ” friends ” to the north try calling for your rights to practice your belief ( specially Christian ) you will be dead in 5 minutes.
Until Australia gets tough on the Jihadists and militant radicals nothing will change. There will be more bombings and killings on Australian soil and Australians traveling overseas.
Get real Abbot ! wake up ……..
PJG says
Professor of Lucrative Dhimmitude Michelle Grossman: I was advised to apply to do a Master’s Degree under her direction, but I looked her up and preferred to stick to the humble qualifications I already have.
Will says
Another leftist academic with her head firmly up the dark effluent filled area of the world. We have a School of Islamic Studies here and I could not understand why as we have nowhere near enough potential students to justify the cost. So I asked its head and received the classical leftist pro-Islamic bull effluent that he and his revisionist history lecturers spread in all directions. Then I heard about the grant from the Saudis which made it the best and most expense addition to the local centre of “intellect” in our city. It appears that ethics are very secondary to potential grants and certain futures and a look at my own graduation year makes me boggle at those now holding chairs.
john spielman says
leftists are known for the fondness for bribes. They are basically academic WHORES. Take note John Esposito!
Papa Whiskey says
In a speech at Columbia University on Sept. 18, 2008, Organization of the Islamic Conference (now Cooperation) Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu had this to say:
“The Muslim Ummah, means the ‘community of the faithful’. It is a unique bond that has no similar example under any other political or religious system in the world. It is a belonging to ideals which bring Muslims together in an eternal brotherhood lock which transcends all other consideration of allegiance or loyalties or barriers of nationhood, ethnicity, geography or language.”
It should accordingly surprise no one that these creatures do not consider themselves Australian.
Michael Copeland says
“The nation of Islam is one nation
TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHERS” [my emphasis]
Placard in Oxford Street pro-Sharia demonstration http://www.thinkafricapress.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq4el7gyPas
john spielman says
islam is a house divided with various “denominations” trying to kill and destroy each other. As jesus said , “a house divide cannot stand”
voegelinian says
And yet, quite a few Jihad Watchers continue to think — years after having read this growing mountain of data here indicating otherwise — that there exists such a thing as a Muslim “citizen” of a non-Islamic country.
Angemon says
If he’s a foreigner drop him in the sea (past the shark nets) and let him swim home. If he’s an Australian convert, put him on trial for treason. Do not, however, let this provocation go unopposed.
Wellington says
“I’m not comfortable personally holding the (Australian) flag because this flag does not represent me as a Muslim,” said Wissam Haddad.
Huh-uh. Well, I have to wonder about any Muslim in Australia who WOULD be comfortable “personally holding the (Australian) flag” because then—and please, anyone out there who thinks I’m wrong, do correct my error—such a person could not be a good Muslim and so, the question could be asked, should be asked, why be a Muslim at all?
Whether Australia or any other Western nation, if one is a Muslim residing in a Western nation, and especially if that person is a citizen of such a nation, then said person should not be trusted where true patriotism is concerned for one of two reasons: Reason #1: They do understand Islam. Reason #2: They don’t understand Islam.
Michael Copeland says
“Personally, I don’t trust one Muslim in our military.
[I]f they truly are a devout Muslim, and follow
the Quran and the Sunnah, then I feel threatened
because they’re commanded to kill me.”
USAAF veteran Tennessee Representative Steve Womack
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/11/15/tenn-state-rep-i-dont-trust-one-muslim-in-our-military/
“I sweared [the Oath of Allegiance]”, said Faisal Shahzad from Pakistan, “but I did not mean it”.
He went on to plant the bomb in Times Square, which fortunately failed. An oath by a muslim, authorised by Islam to deceive, is worthless.
Richie says
He should be stripped of Australian citizenship, and be barred from ever re enentering Australia
Jay Boo says
CAIR or whatever they call it in Australia would howl about Islamophobia.
Not that anyone should CAIR about CAIR.
Laura says
But, where would you send him to, if he’s an Australian ‘citizen’ you can’t expel him, if he’s an immigrant the country of origin would probably refuse to take him back…so what would you do with him?
CogitoErgoSum says
Take a look at the flag of Australia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Australia
Does anyone who knows anything at all about Issa (Muhammad’s Bizzaro World version of Jesus) and Islam’s hatred of the symbol of the Cross really believe that a Muslim would feel comfortable holding high such a flag? Why, the Muslims would even blot the entire constellation of the Southern Cross from the sky if they could.
This is just basic Islam 101. Please, leaders of western civilization, learn all you can about Islam before we have lost the war that you refuse to admit is being waged against us. It’s time for us to do unto Islam as Islam would do unto us. I repeat once again: Islam means submission. DO NOT SUBMIT! Turn their own beliefs and laws against them and make them be the ones to submit.
gravenimage says
Australia Muslim leader: “My flag is the flag of Allah,” not Australian flag
……………………………….
This is true of *every* pious Muslim—and not just the Australian flag, but the flag of any Western nation—indeed, of any Infidel nation.
And what does the flag stand for that they *will* hold? Why, beheading of unbelievers.
And the reference to the “genocide of Aboriginals” could not be more ludicrous—*no one* would be quicker to commit genocide against these people than would devout Muslims.
That is, in fact, *exactly* what they are doing right now with Christians and Yazidis in the Islamic State that flies that flag.
So this reference is just intended to make civilized Australians guilty so that they will not call Wissam Haddad or any of his homicidal coreligionists on this.
And the al-Risalah bookstore is recruiting Muslims in Australia to join the Jihad in Syria. I don’t know why they haven’t been shut down. The Sydney police know all about this.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/sheikhs-encourage-young-australians-to-fight-in-syria/4724432
No Fear says
“I don’t stand and live and die for the Australian flag.”
Is he on welfare benefits?
Keith says
Most likely but of course still working as an unpaid? hate preacher in his local Jihad centre
mariam rove says
Yes. You can bet your life saving on that one. M
Will says
A time is coming where the stating of such an opinion openly and while a product of “freedom of speech” is treasonable in intent and seditious by act and WILL be acted upon.
Of course, all that will do will be to stop them saying it publicly.
Until we realise that ALL Muslims are potential traitors and act accordingly (the treatment of the Japanese in the post Pearl Harbour USA is a good precedent) we will be consumed from within by this cockroach breeding horde of barbarians.
IMO he and his ilk should all be sent permanently to ISIS and dropped over it, preferably without a parachute a la Argentina to ensure their non return.
It took Christians some 500 years to learn how to deal with Islam and it was only when it was realised that “not all religions are the same” that the war vs Islam became total. The Spanish who virtually raped the Americas were not like that by accident as 400+ years of fighting Allah’s hordes had taught them the hard way, just how to defeat them and it is a hard lesson to unlearn Just ask about those soldiers trained by Pacific war veterans about that. Until we learn that total war is only defeated by total war this farce will continue.
BTW anyone wishing to take the bleeding heart, moral high “ground” do not bother as the Jews, Poles, Soviet POWs and the Gypsies all exterminated in the gas chambers and shooting pits of WW2 are there already, well before you.
Wtf? says
We have a right wing government who will not now down to the Muslims. Hurrah. They are now bleating about being victims and blameless again. No. Abbott is calling it as it is and showing more courage than all the other Western Leaders put together. As the Australian model progresses you will see more right wing governments elected and the time of submission and political correctness will come to an end.
Well done Tony Abbott keep up the good fight against these bastards
pumbar says
Those three appear to be doing an islamic version of YMCA. Isn’t dancing haram?
ausmadness says
Perspective from a local:
http://aussiemadness.com/2014/08/19/my-flag-is-the-flag-of-allah-thats-my-flag/
gravenimage says
Thanks for the link, Aussie Madness—good blog post.
And, of course, this is not just happening in Australia, but all over the free West.
paddy says
Strip Haddad of his Australian citizenship..take away his passport, his rights, privileges and protection afforded him by the good people of Australia. Send him on Walkabout in Australia’s vast outback so that he might realise the error of his ways and hope he never returns….the ASSHOLE!
Mike says
I think Australians are finally getting the real picture – never mind the academics.
It’s high time the clowns at the universities here did a cross cultural exchange by way of Iraq and Syria. Even an outing to Sydney’s south west might improve their limited knowledge of Islam. While they’re at it, they can wear their badges of expertise on their chests – feminism, transgender studies, gay identities etc. to see the reception they get from these poor Muslims who have been so oppressed, marginalized and disadvantaged by this racist, white, Christian, right wing post colonial construct called Australia that they so abhor.
dumbledoresarmy says
“An outing to Sydney’s south-west”.
Yep.
Article that appeared in “The Australian” (one of our main newspapers) the other day. Journalist decided to go to Lakemba (one of Sydney’s most heavily Islamised suburbs – the other one is Auburn, next door) and take a stickybeak. What he found scared the sh*t out of him. he found a place where there are few visible non-Muslim persons or businesses left; where English is barely spoken; where Muslims are acting like they own the place. And make no mistake, that’s what these creeps intend for all of Australia, and for the *world*.
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/last-drinks-in-lakemba-tim-blair-takes-a-look-inside-sydneys-muslim-land/story-fnii5s3x-1227027488266
Last drinks in Lakemba: Tim Blair takes a look inside Sydney’s Muslim Land
Money quote:
“Australia may be multicultural, but Haldon St is a monoculture.”
Monoculture. Monoculture. Monoculture.
THAT is what Islam is all about. That is what Islam intends…for the whole of planet earth. Islam, Islam, Islam and nothing but Islam.
Just like we see across a huge swath of the “middle east”, where they have destroyed *all* of the ancient Jewish communities that in some cases predated the arrival of Islam by over a millennium, and are now setting about “cleansing” Iraq and Syria of Christians, just as Turkey was “cleansed” between the late 19th and mid-20th centuries. And just as non-Muslims have been driven out of Kashmir, and just as the Muslims of Bangladesh and Pakistan (even while Muslims have thrived and multiplied within Hindu-majority India) have persistently and obsessively and viciously harassed and killed and force-“converted” and driven out the remaining indigenous non-Muslims in those two huge chunks of India that were seized for Islam, Islam, Islam.
gravenimage says
Chilling, DDA.
Jax Tolmen says
If only all of these idiots wore vests like that in public. It would really make them easier to pick out and get rid of. I look forward to the day we get to take the fight to these traitorous barbarians and root them out of our country for good.
agwnonsense says
Surely you meant “the shitpaper flag” something to wipe on with pride. Infidel’s rule you Drongo. <:o)
agwnonsense says
ISIS “Ignorant Savages In Syria” say’s it all.<:o)
Mike says
I have been wondering just how prepared the Australian government is to deal with “civil unrest”, for wont of a better description. The police will be useless as has been demonstrated as Sydney has been sliding into a hell hole for years, Melbourne is not far behind.
Just how prepared is the army? Will they have to consult with the Islamic scholars to get their approval?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Hell, I remember back when Black Flag meant the roach spray. But, times have changed, and for the worse, I might add. Now, we’ve much bigger vermin in the mix and they are reversing the direction of the transaction, misting the civilized with the pungent and poisonous ingredients that comprise their world takeover program. Roach spray, mujahadin-style. Squirt, squirt. Hey, watch out this is gonna hurt. Gonna stab you and beat you and slash you until inert. The prize of the Cause has put us activists on full alert.
Bob says
If Islam and its teachings is supposed to represent peace, why do you kill unarmed innocents in its name. Islam and its terrorist followers are a religious scourge on the face of this Earth.
bicky says
If he wants the “flag of allah ” , I wonder what he is doing in Australia ???
pakistan, saudi arabia are the most likely places where he should find his orgasmic fantasies.
gravenimage says
bicky, these pious Muslims are in Australia for the same reason that they are in Britain, and the US, and Canada, and the nations of Europe—so that they can live off the productive labor of the “filthy Kufr”, while turning their civilized lands into Islamic hell-holes.