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“Barack Obama and David Cameron do not dare, even now, tell the truth about what Islamic State (or IS) are, or what motivates them”

Aug 11, 2014 6:32 pm By Robert Spencer

ISISRobin Harris argues here for increased U.S. and U.K. military action, combined with active aid to trustworthy local factions. The problem with this is that no local factions favor pluralism and Western-style republican rule. Massive military intervention would just be a holding action postponing the fighting of various Sunni and Shi’ite factions, as it was before. There would have to be a massive change in the political culture of both countries, which is not on the horizon, before such an intervention could even have the possibility of being genuinely effective. But Harris is certainly correct that Obama, Cameron and other Western leaders don’t dare explain clearly or confront what the Islamic State is all about, for to do so would expose the catastrophic errors of the analyses on which both their countries have based key foreign policy decisions for years.

“ROBIN HARRIS: Our leaders are in denial about this Islamic revolution because it exposes their own naivety,” by Robin Harris, Daily Mail, August 11, 2014:

The terrorist group now calling itself Islamic State has been lucky. It has so far been able to advance its repulsive agenda of violence and cruelty without bothering about comeuppance from the great powers.

This is because it is confronted by probably the most incompetent and ill-equipped Western leaders of modern times. For two months, this barbaric group has been rolling forward. But Washington just dithered.

Barack Obama and David Cameron do not dare, even now, tell the truth about what Islamic State (or IS) are, or what motivates them. Obama and Cameron talk of averting ‘genocide’. But genocide is, by definition, the destruction of a racial or national group.

Islamic State isn’t remotely interested in that. It is interested in religion — its own extreme brand of Sunni Islam — and it has for months now been engaging in forced conversions, killings, plunder and expulsion of all those it considers infidels.

The Yazidis, dying on a mountain in northern Iraq, while being pelted from the skies with humanitarian aid, are seen as devil worshippers. The Shia Muslims, meanwhile, are heretics, and so worthy of death. The thousands of Christian victims of IS, about whom Obama and Cameron found it convenient to stay silent, are regarded as having no rights whatever.

In the Iraqi city of Mosul, Christian properties were painted with the Arab letter ‘N’ (signifying Nazarenes) and then confiscated. The Christians were first told to convert or pay the Jizya (tax on infidels), and then, to simplify matters, killed or expelled.

They sought haven in the Nineveh plain; that, too, then fell to Islamic State. The likely fate of many or most of these Christians, and of the Yazidis, is now a horrible death.

The West’s strategic interests are also imperilled. Islamic State is a more dangerous terrorist force than even Al Qaeda. It has carved out a vast territory sprawling far across the Iraq-Syria border. It possesses a huge cache of advanced weapons. It has its own financial resources, in the form of conquered oil installations. It is a magnet for global jihad.

And the West has looked on. Or rather Western leaders have looked away, and focused instead on Ukraine.

American bombers may have finally flown sorties over northern Iraq at the weekend, but for months it is as if nothing has mattered on the world stage except ratcheting up pressure on Russia.

David Cameron was photographed engaging in an (allegedly) ‘tense’ telephone conversation with President Putin. He will shortly be playing host — and, doubtless, playing to the gallery — when Nato leaders head to Newport, Wales, for their summit.

Cameron repeatedly pledges ever tougher economic sanctions. But if the objective is to make Russia disgorge Crimea — which it annexed months ago — then it is simply a waste of time. That will not happen. If the goal is to stop Russia supplying arms to rebels in East Ukraine, then that will not happen either — until some modus vivendi is achieved between Kiev and Moscow.

During the Cold War, the stand-off between the West and the Soviet Union was, of course, far more dangerous. At certain junctures, it could have led to a nuclear exchange. For that very reason, Western leaders and their advisers were cautious.

It was a cardinal rule for Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher to combine steady pressure with the minimum of rash provocation and the avoidance of foolish name calling. Resolve was combined with active diplomacy, open channels of communication and basic courtesy.

So what would Reagan and Thatcher have done now? I suspect that a secret personal message would have gone to Putin proposing a way forward that saved his face, while also saving Ukraine as a free but neutral country — while making it absolutely clear that Nato will defend its members with the full resources of a formidable nuclear alliance.

What we would give today — as Iraq becomes a blood-soaked killing field — for that assured combination of the iron fist and the velvet glove.

But, then, would any previous generation of Western leaders have viewed with such a mix of hopelessness and helplessness the rolling Islamic revolution which now threatens the existing order of states in the Middle East?

Western policy created the conditions for it, by the botched Bush-Blair war against Saddam. Western policy has since continued to focus on the overthrow of other secular authoritarian Arab leaders, to be followed by religious extremism, anarchy and war.

The West still refuses to acknowledge that in this region, religious revolution is a far greater evil than undemocratic government.

David Cameron’s head was turned three years ago by the cheers of Libyans celebrating Gaddafi’s fall. Today, they are sheltering from the bandits that now run the country.

If Cameron, of course, had had his way last year, Britain would now be engaged on the same side as Islamic State, fighting President Assad’s regime in Syria. But, then, the British Prime Minister is merely one egregious example of collective folly.

Western leaders, as a whole, remain in denial about what is occurring in Muslim countries because it exposes their past analysis as catastrophically naive.

What is clear is that Islamic State can be defeated. Here, Bosnia provides a model.

Not till 1995 did the West follow Mrs Thatcher’s urging to intervene, but when it did the aggressor Serbs were defeated. Massive Nato air strikes were accompanied by the advance of Western-armed, local Croatian and Bosnian ground forces in a lightning operation. We provided the cover and military hardware; locals fought the battles.

We must recognise that Iraq is a failed state with a dysfunctional government. Its army not only fled, but obligingly left its weapons behind to be captured, many of which were gifted to it by the Americans and are therefore of the highest quality.

We should arm only those enemies of Islamic State who are prepared to fight. We should give serious military aid and provide up-to-date intelligence, and also political backing, to the Kurds of northern Iraq who now find themselves on the front line fighting to keep the terrorists — who seem to so relish beheading and crucifying their victims — away from the Kurdish capital of Irbil.

It may be hard for Cameron to swallow, but we must also recognise that in Syria the Assad regime is the only alternative — and, despite its brutal record, a much better one — to Islamic State. An effective policy will definitely entail a high level of co-operation with Iran. And, yes, it will mean ending the dangerous, directionless confrontation with Russia.

To secure our own interests, we need assured access to the Middle East, where the Russians have shown greater diplomatic aplomb than we have, and reaped the benefits in terms of influence.

Russia may be our strategic competitor in Europe — though a manageable one — but it is an essential strategic ally in the Middle East and in the broader fight against Islamist jihad.

The British ambassador to Washington has publicly described President Putin as a thug. This may, on some definitions, be true. But it was stupid, not just undiplomatic. In the Middle East today, Putin can and must be our thug.

The Western nations are crying out for strong and decisive leadership in the face of the calculated slaughter of innocents. Already, Obama has been mocked for playing golf even as his warplanes were preparing to bomb Islamic State positions at the weekend, and his officials seem as concerned about the fate of U.S. diplomats as they are about the plight of thousands of beleaguered Iraqis.

Now is the moment for Britain and America to stop the march of the jihadis before it is too late.

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  1. tpellow says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    Spain: A reminder for West’s ‘leaders’-

    “ISIS JIHADISTS VOW TO ‘LIBERATE’ SPAIN IN SPANISH LANGUAGE VIDEO”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/11/ISIS-Jihadists-Vow-to-Liberate-Spain-in-Spanish-Language-Video

    • jewdog says

      Aug 11, 2014 at 7:15 pm

      Spain has embargoed arms to Israel. When the jihadis attack them, maybe they’ll appreciate Israel’s position.

      • Beagle says

        Aug 11, 2014 at 11:14 pm

        Spaniards will welcome the return of wonderful al-Andalus. They are so intellectually snockered it’s ridiculous.

    • GeoffM says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 8:32 am

      and lets not forget that after the Madrid bombing – what did the Spanish do?

      They voted in a Socialist government and withdrew their soldiers from Iraq.

      Cowardice of the highest order.

      And this from a people who threw out muslims and reconquered Spain for the Spanish and Christendom.

      • Alice says

        Aug 12, 2014 at 11:25 am

        It seems this clip from El Cid is censored here…good ol’ free Us of A…

  2. Champ says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    obama and cameron are a *thorn* in our sides …

    “When the righteous thrive, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule, the people groan.” — Proverbs 29:2

    How true! …our wicked rulers make us groan when they don’t speak the truth; especially about something as evil as IS and islam.

    IS = Islam Sucks

  3. jewdog says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    Yes, I think our goals should be limited. We should help prevent harm to minorities while backing up the Kurds. Beyond that, ISIS can play a useful role in tying down Iran and the wider Shiite axis.
    The real way to handle this is to invade Iraq and send the Muslims packing. Then build golf course communities and give people tax breaks as an incentive to move there. You look at the Mideast mess and you can understand colonialism.

    • John C. Barile says

      Aug 11, 2014 at 9:14 pm

      I see no down size to supporting the Kurds to the fullest. Their leadership is nationalist, not sectarian. And they have been steadfast allies in both Gulf Wars. They have made common cause with the Israelis (largely unspoken but no secret) against Saddam and Iran, as well as their own home-grown jihadists whom they vanquished. Except for them–and Jordan’s Hashemites– I would agree that there no good actors or reliable allies to be found in the vicinity.

      • John C. Barile says

        Aug 11, 2014 at 9:16 pm

        I see no downside, that is, to supporting the Kurds.

      • Beagle says

        Aug 11, 2014 at 9:21 pm

        When the largely Sunni Peshmerga recently came to the rescue of their Yazidi brother Kurds under assault by Takfiri Sunnis they showed they are not like the Takfiri-Salafist head-hackers or Shia ayatollahs. Not saying Jeffersonian democrats, who is these days?, but clearly a cut above anyone else in that part of the world.

      • Phil says

        Aug 12, 2014 at 5:38 am

        Well said!
        In the short term, I have to agree with you – the Kurds are our only real allies in Mesopotamia! And frankly I’d love to see a viable Kurdistan established – nothing would upset Erdogan and his Turkish islamofascists more and it would surely help put pressure on the Iranian regime (via the Iranian Kurdish minority if nothing else). My only concern is that the Kurdish majority are Sunni, specifically of the Shafi’i school – and we all know what that could mean in the long run. Remember, the Shafi’i consider kufr alone (i.e., disbelief) to be sufficient jus ad bellum for Jihad. And historically the Kurds were as heavily implicated in the Armenian Genocide as the native Turks. So, yes, by all means let’s support arming and supporting the Kurds (conditionally, on their reigning in islamist fanaticism in their territories) – God knows they’ve suffered enough at the hands of the Arabs – but I would hope we keep a watchful eye over our new allies-of-convenience.
        Phil

      • dave ferguson says

        Aug 13, 2014 at 12:54 am

        This makes way too much sense-that’s why this shi_ head president won’t do it.

  4. John Spielman says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    When I read this type of story, I can begin to understand why God ordered all the children of the Canaanite cities to be put death with their parents . I know it sounds harsh and was harsh, but God in His infinite wisdom knew that sometimes children can become evil from their parents teaching.
    This order from a God was only valid during Israel’s conquest of Canaan as it was only during this time that God ruled His people directly. Later the people rejected the rule of God in favor of human kings. The return of such seemly harsh rule will occur again when God in Christ Jesus returns to destroy all evil and evil doers and rule with rod of iron.

    • JIMJFOX says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 12:03 am

      What if Allah beats him to the punch, though?

    • w says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 11:24 am

      Gen 15:13-17 Abrahamic Covenant. The God of the Bible waited 400 years for repentance from the Canaanites till the evil of the Canaanites reached a peak and Joshua was told to wipe them out. The Canaanites were sacrificing their children to their god, they were into great wickedness and it was polluting everything, some say that they were even engaging in sexual relations with angelic beings –certainly sexual debauchery was at an unsustainable level. There was a reason they had to be wiped out . Israel was to come in to that land and be a light to the nations , a source of the gospel pointing to a day of salvation in Christ but even they could not keep from being infected with gross immorality from the region from influence of tribes still left in the land. In fact God disciplined Israel for unbelief and gross sin by bringing in conquering armies and even having them carried off into captivities for limited times, Bab, Assyr, Roman–the history is so interesting and seeing the ramifications reaching into today is also fascinating. I have taken up the study of the Bible and find it to be truly remarkable set of Books historically accurate and insightful –led me to faith in Jesus Christ.

  5. John Spielman says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    When I read this type of story, I can begin to understand why God ordered all the children of the Canaanite cities to be put death with their parents . I know it sounds harsh and was harsh, but God in His infinite wisdom knew that sometimes children can become evil from their parents teaching.
    This order from a God was only valid during Israel’s conquest of Canaan as it was only during this time that God ruled His people directly. Later the people rejected the rule of God in favor of human kings. The return of such seemly harsh rule will occur again when God in Christ Jesus returns to destroy all evil and evil doers and rule with rod of iron.

    • TH says

      Aug 11, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      You need to study a bit of Biblical exegesis. As for the masacres mentioned in the Book of Joshua, most serious exegetes consider that they never took place. That is those of us who are not biblical fundamentalists, as these have no clue about what the Bible means. There are other texts outside the book of Joshua which give us to understand that the Israelite s penetrated little by little into the land, going first to the higher and un populated areas. There was no lightening conquest by Joshua, nor is there any archeological evidence of the desstruction of Canaanite cities.
      In order to understand the Bible, it is necessay to apply the useful tools of historical and literary criticism, someting Islam doesn´t do with the Qu´ran. In fact, properly applied the historical/critical method helps us understand the Bible in a much better fashion and avoid the useless effort at trying to understand how God could have ordered Joshua to kill women and children.
      Also, it must be said that in the Bibla many actions which are just permitted by God are presented as done directly by him, rather than by human agents.

      So, without proper study it is not possible to properly interpret the Bible. Critical methods are a great help in the process.

      • Marken says

        Aug 11, 2014 at 11:12 pm

        The claim of no archaeological evidence of the destruction of Canaanite cities is not a statement of fact . So it is your belief there is no evidence, but there is and it is my belief the military conquest model is historical and the migration and revolt models were concluded from secondary transitional events.

      • w says

        Aug 12, 2014 at 12:01 pm

        Your argument is ad hominem –and I am a Biblical Fundamentalist and I resent your insinuation that I am a gap toothed idiot. I fundamentally believe the fundamental assertions of the Bible and consider it to be books (66 books by over 40 different authors) inspired –God breathed. Have I had doubts –yes of course but I have worked through many of my questions finding excellent factual answers. I believe it literally and where it uses metaphor defined by context –I accept that. It is a fine work of literature that influenced our western thought and literature of our great writers. I consider myself to be a serious student and people need to look into the Biblical accounts for themselves and the archaeological records for themselves. They do back the Biblical accts. Just one source people may wish to read on the accuracy of scripture may be Dr Craig Evans of Acadia University, NS–he has done some great research. Also DO NOT dismiss the Biblical foundations of the west from Gutenberg printing press onwards to the printing and teaching of the Bible and the profound effect it had on people in the west, educating them into great thinkers, and great men of charity (hospitals, universities, art estab) as a result of peoples’ desires to live honourably before a God who loved them and held them accounable for their sin, yet forgave them and saved them if they wanted this, in Jesus Christ. An amazing western culture of freedom and freedom of choice was built and we prospered. We led the world because of Christian conviction and the influence of it even on non-Christian thought. We are post christian now ( because christianity gives people free choice) –and look at the tumble we are taking because of socialism, relativism and pluralism ( anything thing goes) —we cant even make decisions anymore lest we hurt someones feelings and there goes our leadership! Great greed, avarice and self worship are growing under the humanism devoid of the God of the Bible, that we embrace—The great experiment is over –peoples’ choice to abandon our foundations will lead to being taken over by those more ruthless with decisiveness and might–mark my words. And if any one brings up the crusades to dissuade others that Christianity is not a free will , faith reflecting a loving God, I would ask this question: did the crusades reflect the teachings of Jesus??????? or power hungry men who ruled in a religious power elite (like the imans) over illiterate people who later were liberated by being able to read the word of God! Unlike Islam whose militaristic methods accurately reflect its founder –who by the way is dead.

        • w says

          Aug 12, 2014 at 9:23 pm

          Rob–ha ha–I’m sorry if I seemed angry or ranting!–I’m passionate and maybe a bit of a ranter but not angry. Us fundamentalists are cannon fodder these days so I suppose I come guns a blazing. Hey I agree with you on the Crusades and I guess I mention them as people usually throw these out as reason to shoot Christianity down. And I guess what I poorly attempted to do was circumvent this argument before it began–by saying that the crusades werent Christian but yes I agree with you –they were militaristic and political under the guise of religion. If we compare these with Islam we see that islam is not so much just a religion but a political, militaristic, economic, social, legal, and religious system. Mohammed was a rapist, warrior, thief, illiterate, liar, deceiver, terrorist, slaughter house of evil vigour and those who truly follow his teachings in the Koran (later ones abrogate the earlier teachings) , and the hadith, sunna) are truly true Muslims–so how can we as a western culture even embrace this psychosis and bring it into our midst. Look at what is happening in Europe. What we need is a Charles Martel–but is the job to big now and do we have to see ride the slaughter horse all the way to the finish.

  6. chrisleo says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    You sound almost as mad as the bloody Islamists.

    • Beagle says

      Aug 11, 2014 at 9:26 pm

      Get back with me when Spielman cuts a kid in two or buries him alive. That happened this week.

      I’m not comfortable with what I perceive as too much religion, but so long as it stays in his head, why should I care?

    • JIMJFOX says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 12:05 am

      Amen!!

    • enwhitenment says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 12:27 am

      Self preservation is an instinct we are born with but racism and religion we are taught.
      I now realise that when my father spoke of religious fanatics he was talking of the entirety not of any individual group.
      These Gods must be crazy or is it just us that are crazy.
      It seems that religion may be the problem and any sane person should assume everybody is the enemy.
      Religions have done a great job of pitting one against the other to the point that our lives are worth less than the survival of the religion.
      Sorry folks but i will be fighting for the people not an ideal.
      But keep your books handy as wood may be hard to find & i like my meat cooked.

      • Western Canadian says

        Aug 12, 2014 at 9:23 pm

        “It seems that religion may be the problem and any sane person should assume everybody is the enemy.”

        That is no definition of sanity, and the first part of the sentence is drivel.

        “Religions have done a great job of pitting one against the other to the point that our lives are worth less than the survival of the religion.”

        With the exception of islam, which is a forced membership fascist cult and not really a religion, very little violence can be laid at the feet of most churches……
        Another forced membership fascist cult, communism/socialism, follows after islam, with the churches trailing way, way behind.

        • dave ferguson says

          Aug 13, 2014 at 1:03 am

          A fascist cult – this is a very good description. I have been thinking of an alternative to the word ‘religion’ and now I have it thanks to you.

  7. tpellow says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    “Isis consolidates.”

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n16/patrick-cockburn/isis-consolidates

    Also:-

    “Crisis in the Middle East: The end of a country, and the start of a new dark age.
    In a new book, our veteran correspondent documents the forces that wreaked havoc on an entire region. Here is an exclusive extract.”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/crisis-in-the-middle-east-the-end-of-a-country-and-the-start-of-a-new-dark-age-9659379.html

    • John C. Barile says

      Aug 11, 2014 at 10:20 pm

      Great journalism. Thank you so much for the links.

    • Beagle says

      Aug 11, 2014 at 10:38 pm

      “The Sunnis have ceded a commanding role to a movement that sees itself as divinely inspired and whose agenda involves endless and unwinnable wars against apostates and heretics. Iraq and Syria can be divided up, but they cannot be divided up cleanly and peacefully because too many minorities, like the million or more Sunni in Baghdad, are on the wrong side of any conceivable dividing line. At best, Syria and Iraq face years of intermittent civil war; at worst, the division of these countries will be like the partition of India in 1947 when massacre and fear of massacre established new demographic frontiers.”

      That sounds about right.

      • Beagle says

        Aug 11, 2014 at 10:48 pm

        As does this:

        A striking development in the Islamic world in recent decades is the way in which Wahhabism is taking over mainstream Sunni Islam. In one country after another Saudi Arabia is putting up the money for the training of preachers and the building of mosques. A result of this is the spread of sectarian strife between Sunni and Shia. The latter find themselves targeted with unprecedented viciousness from Tunisia to Indonesia. Such sectarianism is not confined to country villages outside Aleppo or in the Punjab, it is poisoning relations between the two sects in every Islamic grouping. A Muslim friend in London told me: “Go through the address books of any Sunni or Shia in Britain and you will find very few names belonging to people outside their own community.”
        ——-
        The world is a Muslim sectarian war and we get to live in it. Yippee.

        • Beagle says

          Aug 11, 2014 at 10:55 pm

          I must be thinking of the wrong Cockburn because this guy is making a lot of sense. I recall some Israel-bashing one-note Cockburn.

          Another nugget from the first link:

          The very speed and unexpectedness of its rise make it easy for Western and regional leaders to hope that the fall of Isis and the implosion of the Caliphate might be equally sudden and swift. But all the evidence is that this is wishful thinking and the trend is in the other direction, with the opponents of Isis becoming weaker and less capable of resistance: in Iraq the army shows no signs of recovering from its earlier defeats and has failed to launch a single successful counter-attack; in Syria the other opposition groups, including the battle-hardened fighters of al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham, are demoralised and disintegrating as they are squeezed between Isis and the Assad government. Karen Koning Abuzayd, a member of the UN’s Commission of Inquiry in Syria, says that more and more Syrian rebels are defecting to Isis: ‘They see it’s better, these guys are strong, these guys are winning battles, they were taking territory, they have money, they can train us.’ This is bad news for the government, which barely held off an assault in 2012 and 2013 by rebels less well trained, organised and armed than Isis; it will have real difficulties stopping the forces of the Caliphate advancing west.

          —-
          Until they lose a battle and take significant losses, I’m not optimistic. And who is going to administer the defeat?

    • JIMJFOX says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 7:32 am

      Not much impressed with his article. No matter if it is Wahabbi, Salafi, Shia, Sunni, it is all ISLAM and we need not bother with minor distinctions because if and when the sectarian war is decided and one group is left, they will finish us.

      All the fancy discourse is no more than waffle.

    • Sarah L Nield says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 2:12 pm

      Blimey! At least the Independent are falling out of step with the Guardian, the other, main leftward leaning paper, and are presenting another world outside ‘ISRAEL ARE GUILTY THEY JUST ARE AND THE NATION IS MADE UP 100% EXCLUSIVELY OF CHILD MURDERS BUT I AM NOT ANTI-SEMITIC AND IF YOU MENTION HOW ISLAM IS WORSE THAT IS JUST DIVERTING FROM THE ISSUE!”
      But we mustn’t forget the Mirror. They are still in mourning over being let down, badly let down in 1979, when the electorate turned on Sunny Jim and voted in the Iron Lady.

      • Sarah L Nield says

        Aug 12, 2014 at 2:18 pm

        CHILD MURDERERS, NOT CHILD MURDERS!
        I got it right the first time but for some reason edited out the last ER before clicking ‘post comment’

  8. Wellington says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    But I would bet to this day that those twin fools, Obama and Cameron, have no idea whatsoever that saying something like “The future should not belong to those who defame the Prophet Mohammed,” and extolling just how wonderful it is that London is shortly to become a major center of “Islamic banking,” are part and parcel of a slow Western suicide attempt.

    (BTW, I reject beforehand any comment to the effect that Obama is a stealth Muslim who wants the destruction of America and the West——-this actually accords to him more design than he is capable of. It’s much simpler than this, i.e., the guy is just a fool, with muddled thinking aplenty, who stumbled into power for sundry reasons, none of which are admirable or defensible).

    • JIMJFOX says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 12:10 am

      Obama stumbled in because the alternative was the Party of the Stupid.
      Is that fair?

      • medina says

        Aug 12, 2014 at 12:57 am

        Obama’s stumbling is no one’s fault but his own. Good heavens, all he does is blame others for his terrible leadership. Must you defend the indefensible?

        • JIMJFOX says

          Aug 12, 2014 at 7:34 am

          Sorry, had no idea I was ‘defending him’. He’s the worst President ever.

  9. Angemon says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    Cameron repeatedly pledges ever tougher economic sanctions.

    That and a very cross email always fix everything!

    /sarc off

  10. CJ says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    When one thinks of mass murder, Hitler comes to mind. If not Hitler, then Tojo, Stalin, or Mao. Credit is given to the 20th-century totalitarians as the worst species of tyranny to have ever arisen. However, the alarming truth is that Islam has killed more than any of these, and may surpass all of them combined in numbers and cruelty.

    The enormity of the slaughters of the “religion of peace” are so far beyond comprehension that even honest historians overlook the scale. When one looks beyond our myopic focus, Islam is the greatest killing machine in the history of mankind, bar none.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 1:51 pm

      Hitler, Tojo, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot had finite lifespans. When they died or were toppled, life, at least on the face of it, became more bearable in their countries. than what it had been during their tenures. Islam has been around over 1,400 years, and it is as nasty now as what it has ever been throughout those 14 centuries, and the future promises to be worse still. ISIS tells us what direction that cult is going in. They are our most powerful and dangerous enemies now. They now make Al Qaeda and the Taliban look relatively harmless, despite the barbarity we’ve seen from them over the years. Our student leaders and the PC brigade refuse to see that, much to our, and their peril. We are now entering a period where only the most ruthless will survive, and that is how future history will remember the 21st and quite possibly the 22nd Century.

    • dave ferguson says

      Aug 13, 2014 at 1:16 am

      Brigitte Gabriel, in her book ‘They must be stopped’ estimates 270 million murdered in the past 13.5 centuries. And it’s probably much more. – that’s 200,000 murders every year for 1350 years. Yes Islam is a Fascist Cult (not religion)

  11. Beagle says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 11:09 pm

    “What is clear is that Islamic State can be defeated. Here, Bosnia provides a model.”

    Oh yeah, hardly any differences at all. One set of small wars against tiny Serbia versus an IS recruiting from Sunni Islam and exploiting its oil wealth. Nationalistic Serbs v. a global Sunni jihad. It’s like comparing apples to severed heads.

    I like the heavy bombing idea, but it’s not going to happen unless they blow up a dirty bomb in the US or something. Which the IS could do soon, having overrun Saddam’s old WMD facilities.

    • Myxlplik says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 11:06 am

      It’s only a matter of time before some West African Jihadist infected with Ebola heads to the IS…

      Stand way back.

  12. JIMJFOX says

    Aug 12, 2014 at 12:07 am

    The REAL answer- take over Saudi and destroy Mecca + Medinah; no more oil shortages, no mor hajj, no more Islam.

    • Beagle says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 1:23 am

      About that…

      http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140702/world-middle-east/article/isil-vows-destroy-kaaba

      The IS will not be out-Wahhabi-ed by anyone. The cheap gas sounds good.

  13. Beagle says

    Aug 12, 2014 at 1:05 am

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html?_r=0

    Finally! I knew the NYT would not let me down. Other than the obvious it’s-all our-fault title, that was a given:

    Though he has captured territory through brutal means, Mr. Baghdadi has also taken practical steps at state-building, and even shown a lighter side. In Mosul, ISIS has held a “fun day” for kids, distributed gifts and food during Eid al-Fitr, held Quran recitation competitions, started bus services and opened schools.

    —-
    “Brutal” Yep, almost as bad as Sarah Palin.

    Even better than “moderate IS” as I predicted — “practical” and “lighter side” on a “fun day”. If only they treated Republicans with such kid gloves.

    • Beagle says

      Aug 12, 2014 at 1:14 am

      This took five minutes. I’m sure worse is available.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/us/politics/13palin.html?pagewanted=2

      “But interviews in Alaska and in Washington show that a seemingly relentless string of professional and personal troubles quickly put that goal out of reach.”

      v.

      American officials say Mr. Baghdadi runs a more efficient organization

      Al-Baghdadi in 2016: efficiency you can count on!

  14. Salah says

    Aug 12, 2014 at 2:11 am

    “The Obama regime is delighted to see Iraq destabilize because its objective is the reformation of the islamic Caliphate. Baghdad is now primed to be conquered by ISIS, who are Musloid Brotherhood/Al Qaeda and have been supported and armed by the Obama regime, which is up to its neck in musloid agents.”

    More from Ann Barnhardt on Iraq here:
    http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/08/11/thinking-from-a-true-premise-on-iraq/

  15. RonaldB says

    Aug 12, 2014 at 10:59 am

    “Not till 1995 did the West follow Mrs Thatcher’s urging to intervene, but when it did the aggressor Serbs were defeated. Massive Nato air strikes were accompanied by the advance of Western-armed, local Croatian and Bosnian ground forces in a lightning operation. We provided the cover and military hardware; locals fought the battles.”

    Actually, this is an example of the worst danger facing the West: our tendency to intervene against those who are closest to us in culture and philosophy. Nato and the US should simply have stayed out of the war, just as it should have stayed out of the war in Syria. Often, a civil war involved numerous groups and complex issues revolving around personalities.

    The US has created its own problems. It overthrew Saddam Hussein, Gaddhafi, Mubarik, and tried to depose Assad. These rulers were vile by Western standards, but had the virtue of successfully papering over group tensions and holding off the anarchy that permitted ISIS to grow.

    Most likely the largest danger now is that any aid to the Kurds will contain restrictions on the way they fight. It’s pretty obvious that rooting out ISIS will involve methods that will generate accusations of war crimes. But, it’s war crimes or beheading.

  16. W says

    Aug 12, 2014 at 11:03 am

    Perhaps people in Islam will turn away from this wicked psychosis that they are locked in after they see the horror of ISIS/Hamas/Hezbollah/Wahabism etc, perhaps they will choose to follow the Biblical Jesus who “said to love your neighbour as yourself, and do good to those who dispitefully use you” who recognized that evil that lies in the heart of all men and came to save us. I wonder if Iran will enter the fray and launch an EMP into Saudi before ISIS even get there–the oil reserves are in a long triangle on both side of the Persian gulf and the Iranian mts protect them. Will ISIS get to SA and gain the wealth of these oil wells and the Straights of Hormuz? If they can cut off oil to the west and make it so expensive then they will bring the Great Satan to its knees. Is anyone else talking about these things? Also that will accomplish Obamas goal to bring American down to the status of all the other nations and bring in refugees to dilute the populous and take away nationalism so the OWO can be established after Islam burns out of this phase.

  17. Judi says

    Aug 12, 2014 at 11:09 am

    For the past 4 weeks, the MSM and the leaders of the world have been so focused on Israel’s rightful bombing of Gaza, that they have hardly given IS a second thought until now when they realise it cannot be ignored any longer.

  18. The Levite says

    Aug 12, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Please can you read, sign and circulate this. Thank you.

    https://www.change.org/petitions/the-crown-prosecution-service-to-bring-about-a-prosecution-against-george-galloway-mp-under-s-5-1-of-the-public-order-act-1986?recruiter=20153437&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_mobile

  19. Sarah L Nield says

    Aug 12, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    I’ve already written my opinion of why our government is not speaking up. They are nice but dim, think every regime is made up of nice chaps who can be reasoned with.
    But I’ve been thinking more about it. Most of them are out of touch with reality. No ex army men, for example. None who have actually seen battle. They can’t believe that anyone would want to hurt them for having another opinion, and are seduced by the false words of those who call Islam, ‘the religion of peace’ who invent words like ‘Islamaphobe’ for anyone who points out. ‘hey, these chaps are slaughtering people for not believing as they do!”
    Islamaphobe=fear of Islam, and for bloody good reason!
    The present government believe in things like fairness and decency and giving the other chap a fair hearing.
    While the other chap, in this case, is Islam, who would cut their heads off and recruit their children at gunpoint.

  20. dave ferguson says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 1:31 am

    With all the killings of Christians, I have not heard a PEEP out of the pope. Can anyone explain this?

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 13, 2014 at 1:36 pm

      When His Holiness is not decrying various non-Islamic ills of the world and adjudicating other bureaucratic ecclesiastic obligations, he is busy defending that other dogma, the PC MC Paradigm (which not only keeps him too busy, but also contains strictures against saying anything that might even hint of disrespecting any Muslim outside the Tiny Minority of Extremists Who Are Twisting Islam and Thus Have Nothing To Do With Islam).

  21. Roderick Kaimana MacUalraig says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 11:23 am

    “Barack Obama and David Cameron do not dare, even now, tell the truth about what Islamic State (or IS) are, or what motivates them”

    Barack rides around Martha’s Vineyard on his bike, with his little bike helmet… is anyone surprised he doesn’t have the FUCKING BOLLOCKS to stand up for HUMAN FREEDOM?

    Cameron and Obama, I can’t even utter what I feel right now for all the sensitive ears present. I can’t even say it.

    But the time is beyond for the raw and uncouth men of the West to say what is on their minds.

    Dirtying up this site? WHERE IS DARCY?????????????????????

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