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“Bishop McManus, wouldn’t this be an opportune time to apologize to Mr. Robert Spencer and extend him a warm invitation to speak at next year’s Catholic Men’s Conference?”

Aug 13, 2014 3:53 pm By Robert Spencer

Assyrian ChristiansA call to stop sacrificing the persecuted Christians of the world on the altar of a spurious and ineffective “dialogue.” This is not so much about me personally; it is about a wrongheaded approach by Church officials that is harming people.

“Bishop McManus, wouldn’t this be an opportune time to apologize to Mr. Robert Spencer and extend him a warm invitation to speak at next year’s Catholic Men’s Conference?,” by Paul Anthony Melanson, LaSalette Journey, August 12, 2014:

In an article which may be found here: http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Pontifical-Council-for-Interreligious-Dialogue-slams-Islamic-Caliphate-crimes-and-barbarism-31876.html, we read:

“The Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue deplores in no uncertain terms the acts of violence by the militants of the Islamic caliphate in the Middle East, especially in Iraq and Syria.

The Vatican body calls on the members of all religions and on the international community to join in the condemnation. It also calls on Islamic religious leaders to condemn the use of religion as a false justification for terrorism and to make the culture of coexistence and dialogue that has developed in the past few years more real and credible.”

The full translation of the statement issued by the Pontifical Council is presented below.

“The whole world has witnessed with incredulity what is now called the “Restoration of the Caliphate,” which had been abolished on October 29, 1923 by Kamal Ataturk, founder of modern Turkey. Opposition to this “restoration” by the majority of religious institutions and Muslim politicians has not prevented the “Islamic State” jihadists from committing and continuing to commit unspeakable criminal acts.

This Pontifical Council, together with all those engaged in interreligious dialogue, followers of all religions, and all men and women of good will, can only unambiguously denounce and condemn these practices which bring shame on humanity:

-the massacre of people on the sole basis of their religious affiliation;

-the despicable practice of beheading, crucifying and hanging bodies in public places;

-the choice imposed on Christians and Yezidis between conversion to Islam, payment of a tax (jizya) or forced exile;

-the forced expulsion of tens of thousands of people, including children, elderly, pregnant women and the sick;

-the abduction of girls and women belonging to the Yezidis and Christian communities as spoils of war (sabaya);

-the imposition of the barbaric practice of infibulation;

-the destruction of places of worship and Christian and Muslim burial places;

-the forced occupation or desecration of churches and monasteries;

-the removal of crucifixes and other Christian religious symbols as well as those of other religious communities;

-the destruction of a priceless Christian religious and cultural heritage;

-indiscriminate violence aimed at terrorizing people to force them to surrender or flee.

No cause, and certainly no religion, can justify such barbarity. This constitutes an extremely serious offense to humanity and to God who is the Creator, as Pope Francis has often reminded us. We cannot forget, however, that Christians and Muslims have lived together – it is true with ups and downs – over the centuries, building a culture of peaceful coexistence and civilization of which they are proud. Moreover, it is on this basis that, in recent years, dialogue between Christians and Muslims has continued and intensified.

The dramatic plight of Christians, Yezidis and other religious communities and ethnic minorities in Iraq requires a clear and courageous stance on the part of religious leaders, especially Muslims, as well as those engaged in interreligious dialogue and all people of good will. All must be unanimous in condemning unequivocally these crimes and in denouncing the use of religion to justify them. If not, what credibility will religions, their followers and their leaders have? What credibility can the interreligious dialogue that we have patiently pursued over recent years have?

Religious leaders are also called to exercise their influence with the authorities to end these crimes, to punish those who commit them and to re-establish the rule of law throughout the land, ensuring the return home of those who have been displaced. While recalling the need for an ethical management of human societies, these same religious leaders must not fail to stress that the support, funding and arming of terrorism is morally reprehensible.

That said, the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue is grateful to all those who have already raised their voices to denounce terrorism, especially that which uses religion to justify it.”

As I noted last year (see here: http://lasalettejourney.blogspot.com/2013/02/what-is-real-reason-for-bishop-robert.html):

“In a statement which was published in The Catholic Free Press…Bishop Robert McManus explained his decision to rescind the invitation to Mr. Robert Spencer to speak at the Diocese of Worcester’s Catholic Men’s Conference which is to be held next month.

Bishop McManus writes, ‘In light of my recent decision to rescind the invitation to Mr. Robert Spencer to speak at the Catholic Men’s Conference next month on the topic of Islam in its relation to Christianity, I should like to reflect briefly on the conciliar document entitled, The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium), specifically on paragraph 16 of Chapter 2 which speaks about the special relationship that Christianity has to Islam. The paragraph states, “But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place among these are the Muslims who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”

As a result of such a theologically salient statement, the Catholic Church has engaged herself in inter-religious dialogue with Muslims. This dialogue has produced a harvest of mutual respect, understanding and cooperation throughout the world and here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. My decision to ask Mr. Spencer not to speak at the Men’s Conference resulted from a concern voiced by members of the Islamic community in Massachusetts, a concern I came to share. That concern was that Mr. Spencer’s talk about extreme, militant Islamists and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inner-religious dialogue with devout Muslims and possibly generate suspicion and even fear of people who practice piously the religion of Islam…I based my decision solely on the concern that Mr. Spencer’s talk would impact negatively on the Church’s increasingly constructive dialogue with Muslims.’ (Bishop shares concerns about conference speaker, Catholic Free Press, February 8, 2013 edition).

At first, Bishop McManus cites a document of the Second Vatican Council – Lumen Gentium – to make it appear as if there is a theological basis for rescinding Mr. Spencer’s invitation to speak at the Catholic Men’s Conference. Then he later acknowledges that his decision was really entirely subjective, admitting that his decision was based “solely” on his concern that Mr. Spencer’s talk would have negative consequences with regard to Catholic-Muslim inter-religious dialogue.

While it’s certainly true that Vatican II insists, ‘The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems’ and that Christians and Moslems should ‘forget the past and..work sincerely for mutual understanding..’ (Nostra Aetate, No. 3), dialogue, if it is to be authentic, always means taking the other seriously and approaching him with reverence and love. And this can only be accomplished by communicating with the other in truth.

In his book entitled Truth and Tolerance: Christian Belief and World Religions, Pope Benedict XVI makes a few observations which Bishop McManus would apparently find problematic. The Holy Father writes, ‘To what extent the new surge forward of the Islamic world is fuelled by truly religious forces is..open to question. In many places, as we can see, there is the danger of a pathological development of the autonomy of feeling..”‘ (p. 104).

Which is why Mr. Spencer’s talk would have been most beneficial.

On page 204 of the same book, Pope Benedict XVI writes, ‘…even with Islam, with all the greatness it represents, is always in danger of losing balance, letting violence have a place and letting religion slide away into mere outward observance and ritualism.’

Wasn’t this to be the point of Mr. Spencer’s talk? Would Bishop McManus accuse the Holy Father of undercutting the positive achievements which Catholics have attained with regard to inter-religious dialogue with Moslems? Why is it acceptable for Pope Benedict XVI to speak of the danger of Islam ‘letting violence have a place’ but unacceptable for Mr. Spencer to talk about ‘extreme, militant Islamists and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally’?

Bishop McManus insists that Mr. Spencer’s presentation would not be ‘suitable’ for the Men’s Conference because its focus ‘would be on the danger of militant Islamist jihad.’ But jihad is not just an aspect of ‘militant Islam.’ Jihad is the duty to engage in holy war against unbelievers or enemies of Islam if called upon to do so. It is one of the basic tenets and requirements of Muslim faith. Which is why Pope Benedict XVI has warned that Islam ‘is always in danger of losing balance’ and succumbing to violence.”

Now that the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue has called on Islamic religious leaders to condemn
to condemn “the use of religion as a false justification for terrorism and to make the culture of coexistence and dialogue that has developed in the past few years more real and credible,” perhaps now would be a good time for Bishop Robert McManus to apologize to Mr. Robert Spencer and to invite him to next year’s Catholic Men’s Conference?

Related reading here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/13/isis-beheadings-and-the-success-of-horrifying-violence/

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  1. John C. Barile says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    Shame on Bishop McManus for advancing an “interreligious dialog” based on false premises and touting an advancement of “mutual understanding” that is a hollow sham.

    • Shane says

      Aug 14, 2014 at 10:09 am

      Why don’t these dhimmi Bishops go to Iraq and have a dialogue with ISIS. The talking won’t last long, as their heads will be rapidly chopped off. You might as well try having a dialogue with the Ebola virus for all the good talking with Muslims will get you.

  2. umbra says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    While an apology would be welcome, one should not hold ones breath. One peculiar characteristic with many Roman Catholic bishops is that the rarely/never admit that they are wrong in public. This may have something to do with the DD mentality associated with the DD title accorded to them when elevated to the episcopacy. The situation is perhaps similar to a medical doctor admitting to a lay person that he/she has misdiagnose an illness and that the lay person got it right. Humility is often lacking in those in position of authority.

    • jihad3tracker says

      Aug 13, 2014 at 6:05 pm

      Thank you, umbra —

      Remarks about the “DD mentality” are spot on, and of course that hubris applies to (as you mention) MDs + PhDs + JDs + You-Name-Them in the post-grad racket.

      • umbra says

        Aug 14, 2014 at 12:42 am

        Vanity is a problematic character trait. It is doubly so for religious leaders that supposedly espouse humility. Needless to say, it is even most destructive when it afflicts world leaders.

  3. Constance Dypres says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    Here, here.

    Expect this rather cowardly Bishop McManus to duck this entirely. His gatekeeper/secretary will effectively block all calls; he will “be in a meeting” for the foreseeable future; “he’s out of town at the moment and we’re not certain as to his return date;”

    A suggestion might be that Bishop McManus review the qualifications for being a bishop found in 1Timothy 3,
    “This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop,[a] he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine [ahem, Bishop?], not violent, not greedy for money,[b] but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.”

  4. Michael Copeland says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    The first three points and the last (and some others) are instructed in the Koran or the Hadith. It will not be possible for muslims to “renounce” them.
    The Pontifical Council needs to be better informed.

    • nothosaur says

      Aug 14, 2014 at 6:28 pm

      That list looks a lot like Muhammed’s resume.

  5. mariam rove says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    I doubt it. By next year he might be in jail for DUI. M

  6. pongidae rex says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    There is another term for ‘mutual understanding’ when it comes to religious dialog with Islam. It is called ‘magical thinking’. Look it up. It is a symptom of insanity.

  7. Kepha says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    I wonder if Bp. MacManus ever tells his Muslim interlocutors that Jesus truly died on the cross; that atoning death has infinite worth because Jesus is fully God and fully man in one persosn; that Jesus’ ascension to heaven followed a true resurrection from the dead; and that whereas the angels of God warn men not to worship them (Rev. 19:10), Jesus accepts such worship from men (Rev. 1:17 ff.)?

    Does the good bishop tell his interlocutors that Ahmed Deedat and similar Muslim writers are completely off base when they say that the Comforter promised in John 16 is Muhammad, when the whole Gospel makes it very plain that the Comforter is the Holy Spirit? Does he ever say that Muhammad invites all the firghtful jusgments and plagues mentioned in the Bible due to his claim to offer a new revelation (Rev. 22:18ff.)?

    I doubt it.

    • Constance Dypres says

      Aug 13, 2014 at 6:36 pm

      As a class I’ve found that Catholics, especially the clergy, are rather reluctant and unprepared to “be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.” 1 Peter 3:19.

      I agree with your “I doubt it” opinion.

      Bishop McManus is today in a very influential position. He could admit that he’s reassessing his opinion of Islam and Muslim practices, begin to give Christian witness, not only to those outside the RCC, but particularly to Catholics, to exhort them in their faith and their Great Commission duty.

      Given his past behavior, I expect little from the bishop.

  8. JIMJFOX says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Catholic church officials are too busy buggering altar boys and the ensuing cover-ups to have time for anything humane or decent.

    • ecosse1314 says

      Aug 13, 2014 at 6:46 pm

      You have won todays total idjit award….proceed to go forth and multiply.

      • JIMJFOX says

        Aug 13, 2014 at 11:25 pm

        Hit a nerve? Sorry ’bout that.

        • Joseph says

          Aug 14, 2014 at 7:05 pm

          Oops right back at ya…Did we hit a nerve, Jim?

          Did you…eh…take one deep from a Catholic priest when you were a kid?

          Sorry, Bro, that really sucks for you.

          But it gets better, man, don’t worry. But get help, ya know.

  9. RonaldB says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    Robert cannot look to Benedict’s book for support. Although the book contains some careful criticism of the expression of religious duty by some Muslims, Robert’s message is different from the often-expressed wish for a mutual condemnation by Muslims and non-Muslims of the brutalities of any Islamic movement.

    Robert’s message is that the core texts of Islam are in clear support of the atrocities and the denial of justice, liberty, and the right to self-govern. The task of the Islamic institutions is not merely to condemn the atrocities, but to rework Islam into an institution that is in obvious contradiction to its fundamental texts.

    How are non-Muslims going to do this? The existence of any mechanism for “interreligious dialog” with Muslims is an implicit and explicit repudiation of Robert’s message. In point of fact, it is the height of folly for non-Muslim religious leaders to engage in religious dialog with Muslims. Islam can be managed, perhaps, but not transformed, and certainly not reconciled with the teachings of other religions.

    “The Vatican body calls on the members of all religions and on the international community to join in the condemnation. It also calls on Islamic religious leaders to condemn the use of religion as a false justification for terrorism and to make the culture of coexistence and dialogue that has developed in the past few years more real and credible.”

    You want the Islamic religious leaders to condemn beheadings and mass murder? No problem. The press releases are probably already at the offices of news bureaus. The only conceivable purpose they serve is to justify the continued delusion that there is anything between Muslims and non-Muslims to talk about on a religious level.

    The only way to approach the situation is to accept the idea that Islam is totally irreconcilable with other religions and with the concept of a liberal society. An immediate corollary of that is that any further immigration of Muslims should be completely stopped. Any meaningful actions to alleviate the suffering of the Christians in the path of the “Islamic State” will not have the support of Muslim institutions.

  10. ArcadiaP says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    It is strange in the first place that the Bishop doesn’t ask himself, why would Muslims here in the free world be offended by someone like Robert who is speaking of radical Islamists ? Are they not appalled by the very actions of these barbarians in the name of their religion of peace? Are they so blind as to not see what is really going on that they cannot for the life of them join in on a Christian Conference and condemn and stand for the principles of decency among humankind? How is it they get offended by what is truth and before our very eyes to see? I just don’t understand theirs or the Bishop’s stance, please enlighten me.

  11. Joseph says

    Aug 13, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    The author of this article asks plaintively: “What credibility can the interreligious dialogue that we have patiently pursued over recent years have?

    And the [obvious] answer is: absolutely none.

    Folks, the time for “dialogue” is clearly over. Increasingly, I feel that now is the time for individuals to declare unambiguously whether they are “for” Islam or “against” Islam. Bishop McManus represents a sad chapter in the soft-brained liberal American church where it was acceptable to hide behind euphemisms like “dialogue”. But that era is quickly coming to an end. The Anti-Christ religion of Islam is revealing itself more and more every day.

    So, what I would ask Bishop McManus is what I will soon be asking my own bishop: “Is Islam a true religion or is it the religion of Anti-Christ?” And by his response I will know whether he is a man of good will or an insipid belly of a man. St. Josemaria Escriva, founder of Opus Dei, once asked: “Can it be true? I just can’t believe it. That on Earth there are no longer any men, only bellies?”

    You either have the courage to say out loud that Islam is evil and needs to be confronted or you don’t. If you do, then you are a man; if you don’t, then you are merely concerned with whether they will be serving cream or half-n-half for your coffee at breakfast and you are merely a “belly”.

    Folks, it’s time to start sifting the men from the bellies. So, which are you?

  12. Joseph D'Hippolito says

    Aug 14, 2014 at 12:59 am

    Fellow infidels, you must realize one thing about Catholic bishops: They’re company men, first and foremost. They will jump on anything popes say and do — even when it contradicts with previous teaching, as in the case of JPII’s arbitrary revisionism on capital punishment — to advance their own careers, since their career is their family. Besides, they’ve been infected with the same kind of morally equivalent thinking that plagues the secular elites. JPII proved that when he hosted his first inter-religious conference at Assisi in 1986. As I’ve written before, Rome relates to Mecca the way Vichy related to Berlin more than 70 years ago.

  13. Carmen Sporidis says

    Aug 14, 2014 at 4:27 am

    “That said, the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue is grateful to all those who have already raised their voices to denounce terrorism, especially that which uses religion to justify it.”
    I am sick and tired to hear this excuses, use religion to justify this. Maybe we must send a translation of the Qoran and other scripters to the Pope, ua I can remeber he can read.

  14. sammy says

    Aug 14, 2014 at 4:36 am

    I am afraid what the Pope and the Catholic Catechism say about the Islamic faith, has muddied the waters concerning the fundamental truths of it.

    No Catholic in high office then has the authority to speak against what he has been led to believe is true by his leader(s).

    It therefore difficult, but not impossible if the will is there to, lets say, amend the Catholic church’s position, but this would reflect badly on the Church’s credibility, and as pointed out, humility is not a strong point of those who think they know best.

    The only thing that is “good “to come about from all the atrocities now being exposed by the Islamic jihadists, is that they are allowing their faith to be critically examined more, by Muslims and Non Muslims alike,which exposes the truth in its own right.

  15. Bill says

    Aug 14, 2014 at 8:24 am

    The fact is freedom, democracy, tolerance, the rule of law, western civilization civility, a vibrant Christianity, a vibrant Judaism cannot coexist with normal Islam. “Normal, moderate” Islam is more dangerous and toxic than jihadists (who are of course extremely deadly, dangerous and destructive) because it is subversive, able to use our Constitutional freedoms and rights against us, hides behind the cloak of “religion,” and essentially believes the same social and political ideology as the jihadist.

  16. Luciano says

    Aug 14, 2014 at 8:40 am

    If we just don’t talk about the TRUTH…..why….then, the bad stuff that is happening will just go away.
    Barack Obama employs that tactic. And…the Catholic Church does too.
    Islamic Fundamentalism has been on the march since its founding. It was stopped in 732 at Tours, in the ninth to thirteenth centuries by the Crusades and several times at the Gates of Vienna. Now it has been re-invigorated and is on the march again.
    We need people like Robert Spencer, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Bat Ye’or, the late Oriana Falacci et al to stand and speak the truth about Islamic Fundamentalism. Those that prevent this from happening like Barack and the Catholic Church are acting like the enemies of civilization.

    One man’s opinion,
    The Cycling Tuscan

  17. Tom Ripley says

    Aug 14, 2014 at 10:22 am

    Weak leadership in the Catholic church. When I go to church the priest will only say “pray for Catholics around the world”. Never to talk about who is committing evil acts against Christians world wide. Then I read about charities bringing in Muslims, and not Christians. It is very disheartening. They are not in the business of confronting evil at all!

  18. Thomas Wells says

    Aug 14, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    It seems that there are less Catholic men than there used to be.

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