This is the Britain that the British authorities, and those who elected them, have chosen and created. This is the Britain of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Jacqui Smith, Jack Straw, Theresa May and the rest. This is the Britain that has stigmatized resistance to jihad, banned opponent of jihad terror from the country, and done everything it could to appease Islamic supremacists. And this is just the beginning.
“Islamic State backgrounder: British fighters make up a quarter of foreign Jihadists,” by Jonathan Owen, the Independent, August 20, 2014 (thanks to Twostellas):
The brutal beheading of US journalist James Foley by a Briton fighting in the ranks of Isis, which calls itself Islamic State, is the latest – and most shocking – example of British jihadists committing atrocities in Syria and Iraq.
Britain accounts for around one in four of all European fighters who have pledged their allegiance to Isis, with an estimated 500 Britons among 2,000 foreign fighters from across Europe.
One reason is the sheer ease with which people can get to Istanbul in Turkey, and then catch a bus to get into neighbouring Syria, according to Charlie Cooper, a researcher at the Quilliam Foundation. Isis wants to “show off” its foreign fighters as part of its propaganda, he added. And the unnamed man who beheaded Mr Foley “will have committed himself entirely to furthering the aims of the Islamic state” and “completely rejected his British nationality”.
The killing of the American journalist was evidence that British jihadis were “some of the most vicious and vociferous fighters” in Syria and Iraq, said Shiraz Maher, a senior researcher at the International Center for the Study of Radicalization at King’s College London. They are “very much at the forefront of this conflict” with roles ranging from suicide bombers to executioners, he added.
Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond called the killing an “appalling example of the brutality of this organisation” and admitted that “significant numbers” of Britons are involved in “terrible crimes, probably in the commission of atrocities”.
liam says
I am a british catholic, i know war is totally wrong, but i am filled with a passionate desire to take up arms and fight these monsters, they are the the equivalent of the ss death squads 🙁
Beagle says
“I am a british catholic, i know war is totally wrong”
Huh?!
Jus ad bellum ring any bells? Wait a minute.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_ad_bellum
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15546c.htm
The Catholic Church has (had?) a highly evolved and long-standing military doctrine based on a number of sensible moral considerations. I used it in college debate one season and had people running to the library (I’m old).
gravenimage says
Liam, I don’t believe that *defensive* war—war *opposing evil*—is wrong at all.
Brave Britons opposed Fascism, as you note—including many brave Catholics—during WWII.
And many brave Catholics have opposed the evil of Jihad through the ages—including the savior of Vienna, Polish King Jan Sobieski, who besides being a great military hero was a devout Catholic.
Nigel Dixon says
I don’t think religion should even be considered as a moral duty for fighting these uncivilised barbarians. Any sane person can see that ISIS is beyond religion – they are just a political gang, drunk on power and murder. Anyone, regardless of what religion or belief they subscribe to (Muslim’s, Christians and atheist’s included) should be fighting this greatest threat to the world today.
Jay Boo says
This topic is more focused than on the broad categories of War & Catholicism.
And then there is Artiewhitefox .
I am not sure what to make of all this.
Peter Buckley says
British muslims supporting genocide.
“British citizens are supporting genocide. Not ignoring genocide, or being complicit in genocide, but actively supporting genocide. The murder of the Christians and Yazidi of Mesopotamia by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is being supported by direct financial aid from the mosques of this country, and by fighters raised in Britain who are crossing a quarter of the planet to partake in genocide.”
http://standpointmag.co.uk/online-only-neutrality-absolves-nothing-hugo-schmidt-isis-iraq-syria
gravenimage says
They are not even just supporting genocide, Peter—horrifying as this is—many of them are *actively engaging in it* themselves.
Don McKellar says
Strange how Cameron and Obama were both on vacation at the same time, what with all that’s happening in the world this summer. Vacations? Really? Do they think they’ve earned it? And now Cameron cuts his vacation short to address this issue. He calls it “deeply shocking”. WHAT? You had this happen in the streets of London not all that long ago! Look at these stats, Mr. PM! Gee whillikers, could there be something wrong with importing and feeding and caring for all these muslims? Eh wot?
gravenimage says
British Muslims make up a quarter of foreign Jihadists who have pledged allegiance to the Islamic State
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*These* are the fruits of actively enabling Jihadists for over twenty-five years.
While many Western nations have been extraordinarily foolish in opening their gates to dangerous Muslim immigrants, Britain—even more than neighboring France, who gave sanctuary to the horrifying Ayatollah Khomeini—has welcomed in *known Muslim terrorists*, who are then free to advocate that the streets of British cities run with blood.
And those who oppose such evil have no such freedoms—and can be arrested, fined, imprisoned, or—if supporters of British freedom from abroad—banned from the country outright.
Only a few times since the last days of the Roman Empire have we seen such willful, suicidal madness.
And now we see the fruits of such madness—a British soldier beheaded in the streets of London, and an American journalist—James Foley—beheaded by a bloody Jihadist who is, God help us, a British citizen.
And worst of all, all indicators are that this is really just the beginning.
Jaladhi says
When these jihadis return to Britain, the Brirish government will be reaping the fruits of they have sown in last 50 years and yet they don’t admit their folly of Muslim mass immigration!!
tpellow says
“Ex-SAS officer warns ‘army could be seen on UK streets’ if British jihadis return from war”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/501058/Former-SAS-man-warns-of-danger-of-UK-jihadis-returning-from-Syria-trained-to-fight
tpellow says
“Britain’s beheaders – how we came to export jihad”
By Douglas Murray.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/08/britains-beheaders-how-we-came-to-export-jihad/?
JC says
I’m British, and honestly I’m thoroughly embarrassed. Successive governments have failed to keep a check on growing Islamism in this country and the Muslim community simply won’t accept that substantially more than a slim minority, as everyone pushes down our throats, have radical tendencies. It’s time they stand up and take responsibility for their problems and issues. We should not be changing for them. They need to adapt to us.
The first page or two of the British passport says that it is the property of the Queen and can be rescinded. Any British person fighting with these monstrous savages should have their passport revoked and never be allowed back. Frankly I would support a measure of putting British special forces on the ground and specifically assassinating any British citizens fighting for ISIS. They’ve given up their right to citizenship.
I’m seeing more and more parallels between what’s happening now and 30’s Europe. Radical Islam is fascism. We either unite and stand up to it and crush it, or we appease it and watch the civilised word descend back into The Dark Ages.
Michael Copeland says
“I see the River Tiber foaming with blood.”
Enoch Powell, quoting Virgil.
terry ingalls says
Todays jihad terrorists fly off to kill and every 3 days fly back to eat,rest on the public dime fly back to kill somemore and repeat.
tpellow says
“The homegrown jihadists fighting for ISIS:
“How one in four foreigners who have signed up for Islamic State is British – and how half of them are ALREADY back in the UK.
“500 of the 2,000 estimated foreign ISIS fighters are believed to be British.
“MP believes that figures are ‘nonsense’ and figure closer to 2,000 Britons.
“Majority are flying to Istanbul then catching a bus over the Syrian border.
“Government reveals that only 23 passports have been seized this year.
“More British Muslims fighting for ISIS than serving in the British Army .”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2730602/The-homegrown-jihadists-fighting-ISIS-How-one-four-foreigners-signed-Islamic-State-British-half-ALREADY-UK.html#ixzz3B1G7ydeg
Virgil Caine says
The UK and West have been covertly supporting jihad since the late 1970’s. You had British SAS supporting the mujahadeen in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Former SAS member Tim Carew brags about It
in his book Jihad!. While I was a kid/teen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan in the 1980’s, I instinctively knew that irrespective of political ideologies, it would be prudent to support the people who play chess, listen to Tchaikovsky, and send rockets into outer space than the people who seek to make everyone, under penalty of death, believe in this clownish religion started by a pedophile sand turd.
paddy says
Overheard in a ‘teahouse’
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Lichen says
I wrote extensively on fundamental Islam, a decade ago. It wore me out – I found out things that would make your hair stand on end. I changed my pen name and turned to novels. But in the course of that work, I did several pieces on British attitude toward the growing Islamic threat within its borders. This has been building for years. It isn’t just about allowing immigration en masse. It’s what Britain has allowed to go on in the mosques and its own neighborhoods. Hate of the West is preached in mosques IN ARABIC daily and no one cares to translate. Hospital workers refusing to use disinfectant or mandatory innoculations, for bogus religious rules. Middle Eastern cab drivers refusing service to people with unopened liquor or seeing-eye dogs. The liberal UK government has been nursing this monster along for years. It’s sad to see the proverbial shit hit the fan, but it was inevitable, and it’s now going to get much worse.
Pandoa D. Dhondiba says
At last Britain is paying the price for the dirty game it played in colonial India by backing India’s Muslim population in order to check-mate the majority of India’s ant–British “freedom” fighters who were Hindus ! Many of those Muslims from Pakistan and India went to U.K. in fifties and sixties and their children ( and perhaps even the grand children ) are joining the “Jihad” and killing UK citizens all around the world. “What you sow , so you reap” !
However , majority Hindu state of India today has faced the Islamic problem for last 65 years what the majority Christian England is facing today ! The common thread in this problem that both are facing is the so called “constitutional rights” guaranteed to the internal Muslim terrorists by democracies in both our countries ! Unfortunately , Great Britain has caused many problems to India by giving refuge to Muslims like the anti-Hindu Muslim artist , the late M.F.Hussain and the killer of Hindu businessman Mr.Nadeem and many other Muslim fugitives from India !