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Former Archbishop of Canterbury: “Islam is reviving British values”

Aug 3, 2014 9:38 pm By Robert Spencer

rowanwilliamsIndeed, the British values of female genital mutilation, honor killing, jihad warfare, sex slavery gangs — Muslims are bringing these and other British values roaring back. “‘Islam is reviving British values’, says former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams,” by Lizzie Dearden, the Independent, August 2, 2014 (thanks to Anup):

Islam is rejuvenating “British values”, the former Archbishop of Canterbury has claimed while lambasting sections of the press for presenting Muslims as “un-British”.

Rowan Williams was giving a speech at the annual Living Islam Festival in Lincolnshire on Friday, discussing what British values were and how Muslims could affect them.

He said one of the greatest gifts to Britain had been bringing back “open, honest and difficult public discussion”, the Times reported.

Asked if he thought Islam was restoring British values, he said: “Yes. I’m thinking of the way in which, for example, in Birmingham we have seen a local parish and a mosque combining together to provide family services and youth activities, both acting out of a very strong sense that this is what communities ought to do. ”

Dr Williams was one of several speakers at the event organised by the Islamic Society of Britain, which saw thousands of people gather for four days of talks, debates, music, worship and bazaars.

The now Master of Magdalene College in Cambridge praised both Christianity and Islam for working towards community cohesion and promoting a sense of duty.

But in comments reported by the Guardian, he also objected to the notion of British values, saying they should be more universal.

“The setting-up therefore of British values against any kind of values, whether Muslim or Christian, just won’t do,” he said.

His comments have provoked less controversy than some previous statements on Islam.

While still Archbishop of Canterbury in 2008, he sparked a row by saying the use of sharia in some aspects of British law was “unavoidable”.

British Muslim organisations welcomed Dr Williams’ latest remarks but secular groups objected to the suggestion that religious belonging is necessary for social responsibility….

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  1. Richie says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    What a clown, he’s acting like a propaganda agent for Islam.

    Is he not aware Muslims are carrying out genocide against Christians at this very moment?

    • Lynne Newington says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 10:51 pm

      Not that I’m proud of being registered in the Baptism Register as a Catholic, but the church until only just recently was the worse ante-muslim entity in the world and a danger to humanity and that included refugees entering Italy.
      Coming in second, were the Evangelicals who were manipulated into agreeing to the Holy War in Iraq by your past presidents of the Bush dynasty, the latter quoted as saying “God told him too”…. one Evangelical pastor bribing mothers to convert in exchange for food for their children….

      • WVinMN says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 11:19 pm

        WTF are you babbling on about? Are you upset that a Christian denomination attempted to convert muslims? Because if you are, your a full on nutter! Or, are you pointing out that many well meaning but ignorant Christian churches helped to import various muslim immigrants into the US (see Minneapolis, MN Somali population) who return the favor by hating the US and all it stands for? Do you even know what you’re talking about?

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 11:54 pm

        Lynne Newington
        How might you describe Islam then?

        • Lynne Newington says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 1:30 am

          Well to be perfectly honest, if you were serious you would know there is the majority who live peacefully within communities making valuable contribution to the society and Islam, in it’s purity is a contradiction to these militants and the Palestinians are being used as a means to an end to wipe out the State of Israel.

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 1:40 am

          in it’s purity

          That sounds good, but the concept of purity always gets perverted when applied to Islam in particular.
          Yes, head scarfs flaunt a greater purity,
          but Nazi swastikas did this too.

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 1:53 am

          Many years ago I used to respect Muslims for their dutiful self-discipline until I realized there is another very unpleasant side effect called self-righteous indignation that often leads to ‘playing the role of Allah) behind false humility.
          In extreme cases we have honor killings in Allah’s name.
          You do realize that just because a Muslim offers you a few sweets and invites you to partake in Coexist theory does not mean that they have a right to smugly impose on the Christian beliefs of the divinity of Jesus while expecting non-Muslims to show absolute reverence toward Islamic practices and its ‘prophet’.

      • Yaakov Holansky says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 12:20 am

        Lynn, all due respect I lived in the MidEast. Yes, Christianity may use crutches to convert Muslims however they are using free will. In a true Islamic State you will have 2 choices: convert or die. You may or may not believe that however this is the reality. There is a recent example in Iraq under ISIS. The oldest Christian community taken over by ISIS. They were killed. This is only a month ago.

        • Lynne Newington says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 1:10 am

          In relation to my reference, what mother would want to put a knife into their childs heart?
          Would yours?
          Why are all these depictions of starving children used seeking donations to feed them…..
          Living in the Midle East, you would know prosthelizing is an offense to Muslims , the Evangelicans smuggling bibles into Afghanistan was a threat to the military personell and had to be burnt remember?.
          As far as ISIS, they have turned against their own, a splinter group taking advantage of the political climate.

        • Yaakov Holansky says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 9:54 pm

          Lynn, Yes it is offensive to Muslims to convert Muslims. Yet Muslims come to the West and they expect us to live by their norm and accommodate them, a convenient double standard some PC people fall for in the West. Let’s be frank about it, it is not only the threat of conversion that disturbs Muslims. Muslims are unwilling to accept Christians or Jews living in the Middle East as equals. The murders of Christians all over the Middle East Sudan, Egypt, Palestinian Territories, desecration of holy sites and so forth. Saudi Arabia doesn’t need to worry since Christians and Jews aren’t allowed to live there. Can you imagine saying Muslims could not live in England, Canada, or the US? If you do study Islam you discover that they have an obligation to either convert the infidel or kill them. It applies as much today as it did 8-900 years ago. The more I read your responses I am beginning to believe you are actually Muslim which is find but for dialog sake it be best to clarify it.

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 1:27 am

          Everything Islam touches dies

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 1:33 am

          Proselyting is an offense to Muslims — Being non-Muslim is an offense to Muslims
          It is not about offending Muslims ‘that is a given’
          Appeasement is only procrastination

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 2:11 am

          We must not ‘offend’ Muslims meme
          Then the will like us.

          Yet, they will always inevitably despise us if they are Quran observant Muslims because Muhammad told them so.

      • Nina says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 5:01 am

        Lynne Newington said ” one Evangelical pastor bribing mothers to convert in exchange for food for their children” are you upset about this Lynne? are you a leftie anti Christian?. This is the best thing someone can do to a Muslim immigrants for teaching the peaceful Judeo Christian religion. I would honour that Evangelical pastor if I was you he is only thinking the future of Europe and Italy, you don’t want Italy to become like the UK where there are thousands of Muslim asylum seekers coming to spread Islamic teaching and Sharia. I think many Christian pastors should do the same they should go the airports and refugee centres to spread the Gospel and teach people about Christianity this is the only way to fight the global terrorism I think and also to stop Al Qaeda, Al shabbab and Boko Haram spreading to our land.

        • Lynne Newington says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 6:53 am

          My country is more religiously tolerant than yours so it seems thank goodness, in fact in one state we have a country town that have three mosques, all different nationalities and been there for years…..in fact a former prime minister [the first woman] made funding available to dispel the myths concerning their faith.
          But in saying that, we don’t tolerate those trying to cause disharmony, and those who have gone overseas to join militants, will be having their Australian visa’s cancelled, and that’s fair enough too.

        • Tony Gibson says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 7:59 am

          Lynn Newington- you are the new quintessential smug dim-witted British socialist who thinks, like Rowan Williams, that muslims are okay: that it’s just those jihadi types on the fringes who’ve strayed from ‘true islam’ (whatever that means??) and who have to be cautioned with a firm slap on the wrist. Your Britain is unravelling into anarchy, no one knows who the British are anymore and what they stand for because you no longer have a national identity. You’re a soulless bunch of foppy limp-wristed do-gooders who’d do a deal with the devil in order to not give offence to anyone who is non-white.

        • Lynne Newington says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 10:56 pm

          You may need to ask yourself if youre Christian if you see nothing wrong with that; and on reflection even Jews don’t seek proseltyze for the benefit of someone else who commented.
          Australia has a high religious tolerance mentality that has derived in many cases through education in schools.
          When something does arise, those of the particular religious persuasion either way, have the right to publicly and legally if necessary bring them to task, or if their own, immediaely distance themselves and denounces them.

        • Patricia A. Gallagher says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 11:59 pm

          Lynne, being American, I understand an attitude of tolerance and respect for the religious beliefs of others. There are two a few points I wish to make about your comments.

          To “tolerate” Islam is suicide for Western (indeed, all) societies. The unequivocal goal of Islam is eradication of all other religious *and* legal systems. This is not a radical idea in Islam. It is the core of their belief system.

          You may not be familiar with the principle of “taqqiya” (lying for the sake of Allah), codified in Koranic suras and hadiths. Muslims are expected — indeed, required — to lie as necessary to serve Allah and promote the cause of Islam throughout the world.

          Musims lie to us “kuffars” (infidels), making a pretense of friendship while plotting our demise. They are a patient people. Even if this duplicity requires *generations* of feigning friendship, even loyalty, to a person or an adopted country so as to infiltrate a society. It’s called “civilizational” or “stealth” jihad.

          Muslims also lie to each other if and when it serves Allah and promotes the cause of Islam. For decades, since the overthrow of the Ottoman Caliphate after WWI, Islamic supremacists have been establishing moderate-appearing Muslim communities in cities, towns, the countryside, the educational and civil institutions worldwide.

          Yes, there are many Muslims who live as (for example) loyal Americans, or Britons, or Australians, adopting a “live and let live” tolerance of the West. They say they do not subscribe to jihad as anything but the “inner struggle.”

          However, these communities are actually place-keepers, preparing the field for the day when Islam acquires the power it needs to prevail. At the right time, when they consolidate their power to a suitable degree, Islamists will make their move, using these “moderate”-appearing Muslim communities as their bases of operations.

          There are some Islamists who believe that Usama bin Laden acted prematurely, tipping their hand, because there was no realistic hope of enjoying the fruits of that victory.

          Islam is not “just another religion” that deserves tolerance and respect. It is a system designed to achieve world domination through any means necessary. The sooner we in the West embrace this understanding, the better. It is already late.

          In order to gain better perspective in this war for survival, I recommend that you read “Islam at the Gates: How Christendom Defeated the Ottoman Turks.” It is the story of how Europe struggled for more than a millenium to save their lands from Islamic supremacism.

          We face this battle again. They are much better prepared this time. We must stop lying to ourselves!

      • john spielman says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 6:47 am

        DEAR lYNN; you are completely deceived by the god of this world( Satan/allah). A follower of Jesus would understand that islam is evil, pure evil. it totally misrepresents the nature of God as a deity who is capricious unrighteous, who loves to TORTURE people in hell, and who is completely unjust.
        islam also trivializes sin and the consequences of sin and makes it a book keep exercise of good deeds minus bad deeds. it negates the cross of Christ and the love and mercy of God

        • Patricia A. Gallagher says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 7:41 am

          Lynn, the responses to your original post are correct.

          We Americans *must* recognise and accept the true goals of this enemy. Educate yourself. PLEASE read “Shariah: The Threat to America (An Exercise in Comparative Analysis – The Report of Team B II).” Islam is antithetical to every American (and in fact EVERY OTHER NON-MUSLIM) principle and value.

          Islam requires its adherents to use every strategy and tactic, violent and non-violent, to establish Islam supremacy. Islam is NOT a “religion” as non-Muslims conceive it to be. To quote the report:

          “In reality, Islam is a revolutionary ideology and programme which seeks to alter the social order of the whole world and rebuild it in conformity with its own ideals and tenants.”

          Need proof? Look at what the Islamic State of Iraq is doing to Christians! Convert to Islam and surrender to sharia law, go into exile, or die.

      • Tradewinds says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 7:55 am

        Lynne – what a bunch of BS. You should be seeking help along with the loony Archbishop.

        • Lynne Newington says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 9:26 am

          What are you all going to do, when the Israeli government is satisfied the nation is secure and Jews can live in peace?
          What “watch” will you take up then, find another country?
          Benjamin Netanyahu needs all the support he can get, and ramming all this vitriol down his and others neck won’t help.
          He needs educated affirmation.
          Even puting your names [not pseudonyms] on a public petition and forwarding it on to the Israeli Embassy supporting him would be a worthy and constructrive act .
          In fact it’s cowardice not to use your real names, the author of the articles does, what a you all afraid of?

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 2:30 pm

          Shove off Muslim “Lynne.”

    • umbra says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 12:17 am

      rowan Williams appears more like the grand imam of Canterbury than the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury.

    • David, Thailand says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 2:57 am

      “Agents” generally benefit from payment or other worthy consideration.

    • Johnd says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 4:55 am

      Lynne, its clear you know nothing of Islam or you would not talk of purity. Mohammad was no prophet, he was just a delusional mass murderer. Are you aware that he beheaded 5-900 Jews in Medina for refusing to recognise him as a prophet, and looked on with his 12 yo wife Aisha. Google it if you doubt me. Devout muslims know it but they keep it quiet for the time being. So many Christians wanting to be good dhimmis, its sickening. Europe is seeing an invasion of Totalitarianism and 95% of people like you cant see it.

    • IAN ROBINSON says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 6:31 am

      Absolutely! He should be ashamed for his cowardice in not condemning islam for its gospel of hatred, inequality, violence and bigotry – what a clown, indeed!

    • AnneM says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 10:51 am

      SHAME, SHAME on him!

  2. Boston Tea Party says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    Another Christian who doesn’t really believe that Christianity has any unique claim on truth.

  3. Jay Boo says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    The Adventures of Archbishop in Wonderland

    You really should have not gone down that rabbit hole Archbishop.
    Have you forgotten the line ”
    “Off with his head!”

  4. bobm says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    A luvely cheesy crumpet on the poisonous tray of chrislam… …………MARANATHA.

    • Lynne Newington says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 1:40 am

      Marantha as far as I know means Come Lord Jesus………..and if the Muslims weren’t meant to exist Ishmael would have died in the desert with his mother…….

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 1:58 am

        The biblical Ishmael is forebear – *possibly* – of *some* – not all – of those who are now called Arabs. Who at the time when the Hebrew scriptures were written, and for many, many centuries after, were not “Muslims” at all, but pagans. From the 1st century to the 7th, there were also some Arabs who became *Christians*.

        The vast majority of Muslims are non-Arab and can claim no historic connection whatsoever with the Biblical Ishmael.

        The Biblical God, YHWH, has nothing whatsoever to do with the invention of Islam out of whole cloth by mohammed the mad, or by other persons associated therewith, in the 6th century AD. Nor does the loving, creative and covenant-keeping Biblical God have anything at all in common with the infernal and destructive Deceiver that is the ‘allah’ of Islam.

        The Muslim claim to “Ibrahim” is bogus. When Muslims approach Christians or Jews and claim kinship on the basis of “Ibrahim”, this is as if a dangerous conman were to come to someone’s house and falsely claim to be that person’s long-lost cousin…in order to get a foot inside the door, so as to rob, rape and murder and seize possession of the house.

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 8:03 am

          Actually it’s the 7th century. Islam appeared about 622.

          I agree that calling Islam an “Abrahamic” faith is completely bogus. There was no Islam until the 7th century. Islam has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible. Mohamet plagiarized from both the OT and NT to give his ideology credibility but it’s all just a big lie. Islam is a hoax and their “prophet” is a con man.

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 10:58 am

          Excellent points dumbledoresarmy

          Also Tradewinds needs to read again more carefully

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 2:32 pm

          No I guess you do Jay Boo.

  5. Tradewinds says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    I have thought for years now that this idiot is insane and should be locked up.

    • umbra says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 5:53 am

      It appears that when it comes to islam, the west is governed from insane asylums.

  6. Bradamante says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    So now he thinks it’s taboo even to affirm that Britain stands for something, that there are in fact British values? God forbid any of us should stand up proudly for our own civilization and its contributions to the world.

    • umbra says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 6:07 am

      leftists (which rowan williams is) and islam have many things in common. One common vision is that both want to homogenise the world, making everything the same eliminating any variation – the idea itself is ridiculous since the world is heterogeneous in nature. For the progressive left, the zenith of human culture is multiculturalism in which all cultures are eventually merged/fused into an omni-culture which is neither here nor there (neither this nor that). The islamic approach is more straightforward, convert anyone who wish to submit or kill anyone who oppose. These multiculturalist progressive leftists will one day discover that islam refuses to be absorbed/merged/fused into their multiculturalism (or anything else). It is here to conquer, subjugate and eradicate anything not islamic.

  7. Yaakov Holansky says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    Someone should contact a paper willing to print Roberts accurate description of Islamic culture/Religion and what the Archbishop declared about British values

    • Patricia A. Gallagher says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 7:43 pm

      Yaakov, there is a comprehensive description of Islamic culture, including a comparison of American ideals (individualism expressed economically as market capitalism and freedom of religion, speech, assembly, and the press, as well as *mutual* tolerance). It was written in 2010 but is very pertinent today:

      Shariah — The Threat to America: An Exercise in Competitive Analysis (Report of Team B II); 2010, Center for Security Policy

      It is available from Amazon.com in multiple formats (hard copies, new and used, from $2.81; Kindle edition $2.99, with free ereader apps for non-Kindle owners)

      • Richard Sherman says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 8:00 pm

        All he has to know is that Muslims consider “perfect” Muhammad who personally decapitated 900 unarmed Jews, had sex with a nine year old girl, promoted wife beating and declared that Christ was not crucified.
        .Good old Islamic “perfection”…

        • Patricia A. Gallagher says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 8:31 pm

          Mohammed’s crimes are honored heritage to today’s Islamic supremacists; non-Muslims are not impressed by what they view as irrelevant history.

          The reality of Islam *today* is what people must understand: “Mohammed the Mad” wielding modern weapons.

  8. Jay Boo says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    Some will submit to Islam under threat of excruciating torture.

    Others who are in desperate need of approval will grovel
    for even the tiniest Muslim morsels of cheap praise.

    • Lynne Newington says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 1:35 am

      Typical male mentality; yes mothers would to save the life of their child……

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 2:04 am

        Lynne
        Why do you resort to a straw-man tactic
        and then go into diversionary martyr mode with comment “Typical male mentality”

        Are you in such desperate need of Muslim approval
        that you would settle for even the tiniest morsels of cheap Muslim praise?
        Would you support sharia law?

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 2:07 am

          Is Islam threatening you or your child?

  9. John Torkildsen says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    I loved living in London, the art ,the history, the food.
    Yet I had to leave after watching these smug Muslim wanker’s lording it over the Infidels. Went back to Australia-yet they are invading here courtesy of the Labor party.
    So where to next?

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 10:38 pm

      Did you really stop living in London due to Muslims?

      • John torkildsen says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 4:55 am

        Completely, the Muhammaden death cult & the Communist councils ruined
        this beacon of Democracy.

      • John Torkildsen says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 6:00 am

        Yeah & the outstanding warrants.
        + evil ex girlfriend lurking around.

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 8:06 am

          Outstanding warrants?!

  10. Bradamante says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    I’ve googled more statements by this gentleman. I’m stunned that this man was the head of the Anglican Church. Is he completely unaware of what is going on in the world around him?

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 10:37 pm

      He should be committed to a mental home and looked after by medical people.

      The hideous unkempt eyebrows and beard only make him appear crazier.

      • Yaakov Holansky says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 10:43 pm

        He does look looney almost cartoonish but that would match what he advocates

      • somehistory says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 10:54 pm

        His eyebrows resemble artist renderings of the devil’s horns. (The original serpent, dragon, devil…never seen a photo and glad there is no such thing…but this guy’s brows make me think along those lines)

        • somehistory says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 10:56 pm

          No such thing as a photo of the devil, I mean. The devil has made himself apparent in this time of the end of his evil *reign* over mankind.

        • Champ says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 3:21 am

          His eyebrows resemble artist renderings of the devil’s horns.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          LOL, they do! …and he reminds me of David Hemmings who played “Cassius” in the film Gladiator 🙂

      • Judi says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 6:01 am

        Yes, those eye-brows are a dead givaway. He looks almost satanic.

    • Ted says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 8:49 am

      That’s right Bradamante,
      the appointment of this man to replace the old Archbishop certainly was a controversial choice and he has made some off the wall comments. At the end of the day, if his Muslim pals ever take Britain over (highly unlikely as they’ll have 57 million people to fight), he’ll end up in mass graves along with his other left-wing buddies because an extreme Islamic life will disgust them -but it’ll be too late. They made their bed.

  11. Wellington says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    There’s no fool like an old fool ’cause they’re the worst fools of all.

    • weavo2 says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 12:04 am

      Wellington thanks for the humorous levity. Well appreciated in these dire times.

  12. Kepha says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 11:00 pm

    Throughout his tenure, he dithered and dithered over homosexual bishops, took loud protests from the African brethren over tolerating this sin (the selfsame folks on the frontlines against Islam), and saw the CofE continue its long, slow, painful decline only a little more quickly.

  13. opinionated says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 11:02 pm

    I am about to stop attending the Anglican Church because I am tired of the fact they are afraid of the gospel, don’t teach their members how to hear the Holy Spirit, or how to live in victory or how to discern the truth from the lies while instead preaching of an all encompassing all loving club a bit like a Rotary Club that welcomes all and questions none while at the same time wringing their hands over lack of membership and funds. The above article explains it all. Oh, and the fact that he is a practising Druid as well…….

  14. richard sherman says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    There are no longer any British values. There is just total oppression of everyone who does not want to live like the 7th century sociopath Muhammad. If you cannot read Winston Churchill in public ( see Paul Weston) …England is finished. RIP.

  15. gerard says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 11:08 pm

    “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them”!
    Did you forget that verse Archfool?

  16. Duck says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    What an educated fool this Rowan Williams…….with age comes wisdom, except in this case.

  17. Paul says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    This old fool knoweth not what he talketh about.
    Methinks he needeth a Muslim to smite him on the neck to wisen him up.

  18. pumbar says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    Well, he certainly puts the “pric” in archbishopric.

  19. Rob says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    Can’t wait for Douglas Murray to skewer this cretin.

    • Bee says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 2:35 am

      Love Douglas Murray. No-one better for articulating the truth about the evil within our once great country, I moved away from the South to the desolate wilds of ……. To get away from Muslim infiltration and all that it encompasses. I shudder to think of where the West will be in as little as 25 years’ time if we continue to permit this scourge to arrive on our shores.

  20. SpiritOf1683 says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 2:07 am

    You also left out those Islamic values of beheadings, sometimes in the street, blowing up buses and cafes, and crashing planes into skyscrapers.

  21. The Islamist says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 2:35 am

    Is this Bishop brainwashed or under threats? Idiots never see the light, but the wise ones can see the truth of Islam. I thought ever white man is a free thinker(except the ones who don’t agree with Jews).

    • flakmusic says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 6:15 am

      “Is this Bishop brainwashed or under threats?”

      Not unthinkable, but inborn, or senility- induced, idiocy seems to be a more plausible explanation.
      How about you? What made you believe that a murderous pig, Muhammad, can be a prophet of anything, but the Devil?

  22. sencit says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 3:21 am

    This man became a Druid shortly before his ordination as Archbishop. But they went ahead with the ordination anyway. He claimed that it made no difference to his Christianity – so perhaps he feels that becoming a mohammadan will just add to his crudentials. Heaven help us!!

    • sencit says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 6:34 am

      Sorry, typo: ‘credentials’.

      • Tradewinds says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 8:09 am

        No, “crud” is right.

  23. Tommo says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 3:53 am

    Williams is supposed to be an intellectual but his commitment to inter-faith dialogue and multiculturalism at the expense of traditional British Christianity makes him appear an ass.

  24. Michael Copeland says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 4:11 am

    “The setting-up therefore of British values against any kind of values, whether Muslim or Christian, just won’t do,” Dr. Williams said.

    “Fundamental British values” include:
    democracy,
    the rule of law,
    individual liberty,
    mutual respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs
    (as cited in the UK government’s “Prevent” strategy, a free download).

    “Muslim values” (Dr. Williams’s term) EXCLUDE:
    democracy,
    the rule of law other than Sharia,
    individual liberty
    mutual respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs.

    See http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6183-extremism-there-is-a-problem-within-islam

    Dr. Williams is a clergyman, not a lawyer.
    He is not an authority on constitutional law.

  25. duh_swami says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 4:14 am

    One problem with Islam, is that it leaves the idiot in full possession of his idiocy.
    There is no way provided to rise above it…
    With this system, the pious must split their mind, half is intelligent, educated, articulate and not subject to delusion, while the other half is firmly locked into impossible fantasy.
    In psychiatry a split mind is called schizophrenia. So are Mahoundians schizophrenic?
    Do they believe in fantasy? Do they believe in disembodied spirits like jinn and angels?
    Do they act in ways that are contrary to their manhood? Are they prone to violence and sudden outbursts? It would seem that the question answers itself…

    • Aton says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 6:49 am

      Wells said.

      I have seen this schizophrenia in action, when debating with intelligent Muslims. They try to maintain that the Koran is the infallible font of all knowledge, but when you go through a list of errors and contradictions they tie themselves into knot after knot.

      It is actually quite distressing and depressing, to see an otherwise intelligent and educated person deceive and corrupt themselves to such a degree. Why do they do it? It is beyond my comprehension. I simply could not abuse my intellect to such a degree.

      Aton

      • Michael Copeland says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 4:08 pm

        Why do they do it?
        Because one who denies any verse in the Koran has to be killed (Manual of Islamic Law o8.7(7)). The killing can be performed by anyone without penalty “since it is killing someone who deserves to die” (Manual o8.4). The Manual is a free download at http://www.islamicbulletin.org/free_downloads/…/reliance2_complete.pdf .

  26. cynical1 says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 5:24 am

    Wait till he lectures you on environmentalism.

    It seems to be his only true belief…

  27. bicky says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 5:35 am

    There is no doubt , that this archfool is in the payroll of the petrobarons.

    • Aton says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 6:57 am

      Actually, no – he is in the pay of the Liberal Left, who want to mix up all populations together and create a One World Government.

      Williams was specifically chosen by Tony Blair, to NOT rock the boat when the Blair government opened the door to unlimited immigration, and specifically Muslim immigration.

      Any normal Archbishop might of championed the rights of British workers and laborers – his core followers – to have a job and a decent wage, both of which were undermined by the import of cheap foreign labour. But not Williams. Instead, he went along with anything and everything that Blair said, and p!ssed upon his traditional supporters and followers.

      It was distressing to watch the abject betrayal of the working class people of Britain, by the very institution that should have supported them.

      .

      • pumbar says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 7:21 am

        As a working class, Northern English bloke I wholly concur with that but this rubbish has been going on much longer than the prat Williams became archbish.

  28. xyz says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 5:46 am

    what an ass… wait till he gets a knife in the back…
    NEVER trust muslims.. ive learnt that from life

  29. cindy says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 5:48 am

    Are you kidding me??? Who paid this guy or maybe he escaped from the mental hospital!!!!! He can’t surely believe what he said . You would have to be an idiot to believe that, evidence shows different. Why is everyone so afraid of them, I mean if we stand together and not cave to this crap. Where are all the brave folks of the world. Then we are talking about Britian.

  30. BC says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 6:29 am

    Tis man is a holy fool and I do not think he knows what British values are. If he thinks they are compatible with Islam he is even more ignorant than I thought him to be.
    Note how he has retired from one easy well paid position an slipped into another.

  31. Aton says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 6:43 am

    Williams is not only a dhimmi, he lives in a world of his own.

    His acceptance speech as Archbishop was utter gibberish – merely a long list of long words all randomly strung together. I kid you not.

    At the end of this long diatribe, the BBC reporter in the studio was utterly stunned – he was the live anchor on the BBC, but did not know what to say. So he threw the ball at the correspondent at the cathedral, and (calmly) said: ‘and what was the message Williams was giving?’

    The correspondent on the ground was the BBC’s finest, and yet his eyes lit up with horror. He wanted to say: ‘I haven’t a clue’, but did not dare. So he stuttered a few words, stopped, and looked like a rabbit in headlights. And then he did the only thing possible – he made up a story and said the speech was about humility and peace etc: etc: It was all complete bollo, made up on the spot, but it got himself out of a very tight spot.

    So do we care what the Williams numbskull says? Not one jot – he is not even on the same planet as the rest of us. Had he been in any other industry other than the Church, he would have been taken away by the men in white coats long ago.

    Aton

  32. Angemon says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 6:47 am

    Asked if he thought Islam was restoring British values, he said: “Yes. I’m thinking of the way in which, for example, in Birmingham we have seen a local parish and a mosque combining together to provide family services and youth activities, both acting out of a very strong sense that this is what communities ought to do.”

    I’m reading his comments with Scott Joplin’s “The Entertainer” playing in the background and adding a laugh track at the end of each. Comedy of the year folks.

  33. Aton says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 7:10 am

    Lynne Newington August 4, 2014 at 1:10 am
    In relation to my reference, what mother would want to put a knife into their childs heart?
    _____________________________________

    A Palestinian Muslim would.

    If a Muslim mother can arrange for her child to be killed as a martyr for Islam, they will become a Shahid, the highest of angels, and go straight to the gardens of bliss watered by underground streams and waited upon by busty black-eyed girls serving the best wine and sweetmeats.

    What mother would NOT want their children to die?

    Especially if you have a willful little child. The parable of Moses and the Green Man in the Koran says that if your child is willful or if they change their religion, you should kill them, and god will give you a better child. (Koran chapter 18, the Cave.) This is why Islam has so many ‘honour killings’.

    So if you child is willful, why not arrange for them to be killed and become a Shahid at the same time? From willful disobedience to highest of angels in an instant – problem solved.

    .

    You think such a teaching is crazy? Of course it is, but that is Islam. Don’t confuse Islam with your own Western morality.

    Aton

    • The Islamist says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 7:56 am

      “If a Muslim mother can arrange for her child to be killed as a martyr for Islam, they will become a Shahid,….” why would a sane woman send her son to go and die for Democracy (Oil and NWO for elites) and later call him a “hero” even if he has killed innocent people?

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 11:01 am

        Islam is an obvious laughable blasphemous hoax

      • Aton says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 3:31 am

        >>why would a sane woman send her son to go and die?

        Who said that Muslims were sane? You have to have a frontal lobotomy before can believe the sort of cr@p contained in the Koran.

        Aton

  34. David Truman says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 7:13 am

    What hope is there for the West and for Christendom when we have utter FOOLS like the former Archbishop of Canterbury getting into bed with Islam in this disgraceful way?

    This erudite IDIOT needs a wet fish slap! His comments below are unforgivable. Unforgivable because they are colossally naive in a person who has been given so much, both intellectually and in leadership of his church. This is a disgraceful betrayal.

    It was said about 20 years by some, after a Lambeth Conference, that the Holy Spirit has left the Church of England. If this is what it has degenerated into, then I fully understand that harsh judgment.

  35. Darius Jeddburgh says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 7:20 am

    i truly believe this man is unwell { and thats a professional opinion}.

    • The Islamist says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 7:58 am

      Unwell like Robert Spencer?

      • Tradewinds says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 8:14 am

        Robert Spencer is perfectly fine, Muslim. A hero of the 21st century.

        You’re the one who’s unwell by accepting the evil texts and teachings of Islam. You’re as loony as the Archfool. But, he should know better. You’re just a brainwashed cretin.

  36. Kasey says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 8:02 am

    What a curse on Humanity religion has become!

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 8:16 am

      Not religion – Islam. Islam is a curse on humanity and a plague on the world. The over-populating polygamous followers of Mohammedanism bring death and destruction wherever they go.

    • The Islamist says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 8:19 am

      What a curse on religion has humanity become? do you know how much people like these westerners want to fight religion? these pseudo religions (judeo-christian-romano-grec) have made you hate religion. Islam is the religion of God and the most peaceful religion. Peace does not mean to turn the other cheek or let invaders destroy your country. Got it? Islam loves peace so much that we all required to prepare our arms and defend our land. Is that so complicated to be understood by westerners?

      • Tradewinds says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 8:30 am

        You’re insane. Go join the ArchDhimmi in the asylum and shove off.

        • The Islamist says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 8:32 am

          When will you join us?

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 8:44 am

          Bug off, Muslim.

        • John C. Barile says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 10:37 am

          First, the invitation. Next the demand for jizya–“protection.” Finally, The Sword and a severed head as a war trophy.

          We all know The Script by now, perfidious Believer.

      • AnneM says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 10:54 am

        NO! Islam is from SATAN the devil himself!

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 11:05 am

        Islam is emptiness all dressed up in vanity.

    • Amy Soldier says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 9:47 am

      According to Bukhari, Mo claims, “I have been commanded by Allah to fight all men until all men proclaim Allah is god and I am his messenger.”

      It’s a “Religion of Peace” if you were raised in a Muslim family who worked in the West and you yourself no only a few verses of the Qur’an which you spout on internet blogs when you want to defend your beliefs.

      If one were to attend an Islamist university in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, or Malaysia, and study the Qur’an critically, as a graduate of any Islamist university you then know and realize your duty as a devout Muslim is to do jihad to cause the eventual establishment of Sharia Laws over all nations. Mo’s verse to Fight All Men takes on meaning after learning from the scholars at university that the verse is the impetus for one to engage in any form of behavior and conduct necessary to further the cause of Sharia Laws over all nations.

      The Muslim stooges posting here will someday, in their lifetime, witness a presentation to the world that their dude Mohamed never had revelations from the Creator. All the words of claimed revelation supposedly from the Creator to Gabriel to the warlord Mohamed were concoctions. Though rational discourse will not dissuade the present day Muslim stooges from their beliefs, the door will be closed to future minds who may have given credence to the words of the Qur’an in the past.

      Mohamed did not have a special relationship and intimacy with and thus revelations from any Creative entity such as the deity they call Allah. Who would ever believe twentieth century critical analysis could bring such evidence to light?

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 11:11 am

        Muhammad’s Revelation

        Desert spirits spoke in twisted verse, a dance of words to recite, to recite.
        Medina’s false prophet this rehearsed in a cave near Mecca veiled by night.
        But the angel Gabriel saw his descent, and said “Pawn of Satan turn, repent, repent.”
        But, sharia’s verse planted its infected creed fertilized by this false prophet’s made-up dream.
        A vain attempt to partner with God almighty was dredged up from the lowest pit of his vanity.

  37. Tony Gibson says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 8:33 am

    Let us not forget that Judas was also an Apostle. Therefore, the sole connection I can make between Rowan Williams and his role as shepherd and guardian of the English flock (which I must say are more sheep than human in these times) is the same that Judas Iscariot had in the early Church……. TRAITOR!

    • The Islamist says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 8:42 am

      Or he is like Jesus among the scribes and Pharisees? why do you think he is Judas? because you are Pilate and Herod?

      • Tony Gibson says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 9:06 am

        Or maybe a lunatic like yourself with a suicide belt strapped and ready for some insane action

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 9:44 am

          Tony, that’s meritorious in Islam. The murderers are regarded as martyrs. The whole belief system is 100% twisted.

          Muslims believe that they have a divine responsibility to wage war (Jihad) against those who do not share their creed, impose institutional inequality upon women and disbelievers, and extinguish freedom of speech about Islam/Mohamet/Qur’an.

  38. The Islamist says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 8:50 am

    Signs of a fool: he thinks that he is right and anyone else is wrong. Robert spencer is right and arcbishop wrong.LOL. Kuffar Logic.

    • Uri says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 9:22 am

      Allah = satan
      Muhammad = murderer
      Islam = death

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 11:17 am

      With every Allahu Akbar Muslims proudly defend the honor of Allah.
      I must admit that is very impressive.
      Allah says thank you for the help.

    • AnneM says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm

      Allah = SATAN the devil.

  39. joeblough says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Rowan Williams is an evil moron.

    And I’ve often heard it said that the devil can recite scripture.

  40. Uri says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 9:31 am

    MUHAMMAD WAS SERIAL
    WANKER

    From the Hadith of Bukhari:

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:

    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 230:

    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    as above (229).

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:

    Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:

    I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ”

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:

    Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun:

    I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that ‘Aisha had said, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:

    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

  41. marky says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Williams might well be, satans main man in the c of e uk.

    For many years christians (factual instead of name only) knew that no way was he born again by the things he said and did.

    More especially for his helping to bring about shaira courts in the uk and a while ago, addressing lawyers in the uk to get them to see that sharia law was compatiable with british law.

    Yes, that much not born again, that ignorant and that much traitor.

  42. Carmen Sporidis says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 10:20 am

    Maybe we missunderstand the clergy, we read all the wrong Quran, he is the one with special knowledge. Somebody who talk such nonsense must really take a lift in real Muslim world, lets say in Mosul – Niniveh. I am ready to pay for his one way ticket.

  43. Amy Soldier says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 11:08 am

    This guy has more than one lose screw in his canoe.

  44. blitz2b says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 11:10 am

    You are hilarious Mr. Islamist, Comparing Jesus to the dhimmi Rowan is like the Romans striking Jesus on the face… Williams knows absolutely nothing about Islam and it’s evil agenda ( Read 9:29) Jesus says His kingdom is not of this world. In contrast the Muslims consider the whole of the world to belong to this sadistic powerless deity, who depends on his demon possessed hordes to do his dirty work. I believe he has already sold his soul to the evil one.

  45. Silvia says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 11:24 am

    So, who’s paying him? The Saudis or the Qatari?

    • Aton says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 3:42 am

      >>So, who’s paying him?

      Follow the money.

      However, we do have some seriously deranged people in Europe, who will actually do this due to a warped conviction. They are traitors, pure and simple – traitors to their families, their society, their culture, their nation and most of all they are traitors to the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason.

      Aton

  46. David from England says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 11:37 am

    This man is a five star nut case – always was and always will be. Sad old England!

    • Huck Folder says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 11:08 pm

      More the devil incarnate. Look at those eyebrows.
      But all these REVOLTING statements in agreement with mohammedanism, or carrying water for them are scurrilous or treasonous, from the leader of the Anglican Church. In Elizabeth I days, he would have had a one way trip down the Thames to The Tower, entering through the Traitor’s Gate, there to ponder his fate while the Chief Executioner sharpened his axe.

      A lot of blame falls on the Queen for not doing something very forthright and vigorous, the first time this traitor publically proclaimed his kuffar status, demeaning ALL Anglicans with his sinislam banality.

  47. Dee Harris says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Obviously the old boy is not well! Reviving British values? Better I dig up my ancestors and have a chat with them…Absolute horse manure!

  48. Kepha says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Modern Britain is proud of how far it has de-Christianized, and Rowan Williams has not been a voice calling Britain back to Christ. But he is right on one count: the Islamicists, with their lies and delusions, have nonetheless pointed out that life is serious business.

  49. Ted says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    This man has always been a sick pagan puppy in the Church of England and should have been kicked out long before his retirement. His personal views are not Biblical. I cannot imagine shaking hands with this wretched man or talking to him like Queen Elizabeth has done in past times. DISGUSTING.

  50. Kenny says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Oh really! How bloody embarrassing for us in Britain, again!

    Is it any real wonder that the Church of England is dying on its knees?

    The trouble with Williams is his arrogance. Does he really expect us to fall for this?…on second thoughts, most actually have fallen for it!

  51. James Foard says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Rowan Williams is a Judas, an apostate, a traitor to Christ and to the millions of Christians killed and persecuted by Islam throughout 14 centuries of muslim aggression

  52. White Hunter says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Rowan Williams has been certifiably insane for years. I’m not sure whether he suddenly went mad on some particular date due to a head injury or as a complication of some severe neurological disease like encephalitis, or has always been that way.

    The question is, how could a man who cannot possibly be considered a Christian have been elevated to the highest Office in the Church of England? And why does he still command any audience at all (other than among the mohammedans who are now — or rather, who are once again — waging an unholy war to destroy Christianity, Britain, and all of Western civilization)?

    Williams is not the only such case within the Anglican Communion, of course. The Episcopal diocese of Newark, N.J. has John Spong, the militant LGBT activist who denies the Virginity of Mary, the Resurrection, and, if I’m not mistaken, has actually mused aloud (or was it in writing?) about whether God, in fact, exists.

    And New Hampshire has Bishop Gene Robinson, the alcoholic homosexual who abandoned his wife of many years and the children he fathered with her (I guess he was actually bi-, not homo-, in those days, or at least pretended to be until he outed himself) in order to “marry” his “partner”…er, “husband,” and who referred to Benedict XVI with sneering disrespect as “Pope Ratzinger.”

    The disgust that these men arouse in devout, practicing Anglicans and Episcopalians has led some parishes to re-affiliate with, incredibly, African Anglican dioceses, which actually do preach and practice Christianity more faithfully than those in the land of the Church’s birth.

    And not a few Anglican clergymen have abandoned the Church of England to take Holy Orders as fully ordained Roman Catholic priests (and yes, the Roman Catholic Church does allow men in such cases to remain married to their wives and to keep their families; under Canon Law, they’re the exception to the rule of mandatory priestly celibacy, as they should be).

    The desecration and destruction of the Church of England as a Christian institution deserving any respect at all will, of course, be complete when the idiotically islamophilic Charles becomes its titular head upon the death of his mother. It’ll be the final coup de grace after a long series of hammer blows.

    • Patricia Voelker says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      Not to mention that Bishop Eugene Robinson recently divorced the “husband” for whom he had left his wife.

      The orthodox teachings of the Catholic Church dovetail well with the complaints of traditional-minded Anglicans (and American Episcopalians).
      Pope Benedict XVI established the Anglo-Catholic Ordinariate to welcome into the Catholic Church those disaffected Anglicans while preserving their Anglican patrimony.

      I met Westman steroid auxiliary Bishop Alan Hopes, a former Anglican. He has indicated that “dozens of [Anglican] clergy and hundreds of faithful had begun a period of instruction and formation.” (from Our Sunday Visitor article ID 3425)

      Speaking as an American Catholic who has dear friends in London and Norwich, I joyfully welcome you! Please consider exploring Catholicism in England.

      • Patricia A. Gallagher says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 3:06 am

        I used my unmarried name in the previous post. Patricia Voelker is Patricia Gallagher. That cleared up, Bishop Alan Hopes is an auxiliary bishop of Westminster, not “Westman steroid”! (Spellcheck! Sometimes, I am convinced that it, too, is the work of the Adversary!)

        • White Hunter says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 2:49 pm

          Thanks, Patricia. I WAS wondering what a “Westman steroid auxiliary” was! I guessed maybe some intermediate level between a monsignor and a bishop that I’d never heard of, peculiar to the Anglicans….

          The way things are going, the Catholic Church will get a bracing infusion of excellent, dedicated, experienced clergy, and the Church of England will be left a hollow, meaningless husk.

  53. Carlos Danger says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    Dr. Williams worked for decades to empty British churches. Now as he totters toward the grave, he’s striving mightily to fill British mosques. He looks more like a fool than a villain, but then I’ve never met him.

  54. alyn21 says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    Rowan Williams says that islam is reviving British values. Prime Minister David Cameron says that muslims have made great contributions to his country.
    Submitted for your approval my list of muslim contributions to Britain.

    1. Female Genital Mutilation
    2. Sharia Courts
    3. Muslim gangs forcing British girls into prostitution.
    4. muslims calling for death to homosexuals.
    5. honour killings
    6. anti semitism
    7. Anjem Choudary
    8 . halal meat
    9. Sharia controlled neighbourhoods
    This of course is only a small number of ways that muslims have contributed to the fabric of British society.Perhaps Rowan Williams and David Cameron could add to my list.

    • Lynne Newington says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 1:10 am

      Those of us who are Catholic had better take the plank out of our own eye before we start condemning anyone else, regardless of who they are.

      • Patricia A. Gallagher says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 2:43 am

        Regarding “plank in our own [Catholic] eye” and its psychic twin “judge not…”: We are called to exercise due moral discretion based on a well-formed and well-informed conscience: do good, avoid evil, humbly ask for forgiveness and generously give it, and call evil by its proper name wherever we find it. Here on earth, perfection is not required.

        • Lynne Newington says

          Aug 5, 2014 at 4:08 am

          You’re perfectly right, absolutely!
          I wonder when those making all the rules will finally wake up; and forget about the forgiveness bit………..we’re in the middle of a Royal Commission here in Australia into the sex-abuse of our Catholic children in particular, covered up for decades, [many taking their own lives as adults], called for by our first woman prime minister, an atheist, barren and living in sin and accused as such while our Catholic politicians sat on their hands and said nothing.

      • Bill says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 10:27 am

        One big plank in the eyes of Catholics and Christians in general is the failure to oppose the great evil of Islam in the name of tolerance. Would you advise Christians to hesitate in opposing Nazism, murderers, abusers, thieves, and warmongers in the name of prudence? Islam must be opposed by all civilized and decent people. That includes Christians. I have concluded that a few of the grievous and cataclysmic errors of Christianity in dealing with Islam include:

        1. The failure to recognize that Islam is profoundly, closely and directly associated with the antichrist.
        2. Adopting Replacement Theology
        3. Failure to support the State of Israel
        4. Allowing Islamic immigration into free societies

        • Lynne Newington says

          Aug 5, 2014 at 8:23 pm

          But the Catholic Church has always believed what your saying; the prophecy of the 9/11 tragedy found in Hilaire Belloc’s The Great Heresy is a well read book, especially after the fact. He was also ante-semetic…….and that sound familiar doesn’t it? Until Pope John XX111 began building bridges after the Holocaust….and at the time, classed as a heretic!
          Belloc was a man of his time, like these Jihardist who have run amok, all their ideologies formed at the knees of their mothers, the ideologies were formed at the knees of their mothers, who were formed at the knee of their mothers……just as vocation to the priesthood is formed at the knee of their mothers…..all built on the foundations of beliefs.
          Ultimately although different, both have their own agendas… power! The church with it’s eyes on Holy Sites in both Palestine and Israel, concessions and financial benefits that go with it and all being used by stealth to get what they want.
          If they can treat their own like serfs, including clergy and religious when expedient and their God given gifts of childen why would anyone believe there would be any deep rooted goodwill?
          Nothing to do with Jesus…..

        • Patricia A. Gallagher says

          Aug 5, 2014 at 8:56 pm

          Lynne, it is clear that you are an agent provocateur (aka *troll*), constantly seeking to disparage Christianity.

          The violence perpetrated in the name of Christendom is not comparable to jihad motivated by Islamic supremacism.

          I must point out, although it is off topic, that Protestant historians have consistently exaggerated the behavior of the Crusaders (although it was bad enough, especially the sacking of Constantinople). The Catholic Inquisition carried out by the Franciscans and Dominicans with certain violations of what we would now characterize as “human rites” is often conflated with the more outrageously cruel *Spanish* Inquisition. The spread of Christianity accompanied — indeed, often facilitated — the extension of Western civilization around the world.

          [Read and compare “How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization” (Thomas E. Woods Jr., 2005) with “A World Lit Only By Fire” (William Manchester, 2009).]

          Despite protestations to the contrary, Islamic jihad, as set forth in the Koran and hadiths, and as and practiced, is motivated by Islamic supremacism. It seeks to establish sharia, governing not just religious life and belief but every conceivable facet of public and private life, rendering *extinct* every other civilization.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 4:08 am

          The Inquisition wasn’t that bad. A reasonable institution, in terms of rooting out the Muslims after some eight centuries of evil occupation and knowing they continued to try to sabotage the state.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 6:39 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “The Inquisition wasn’t that bad. A reasonable institution, in terms of rooting out the Muslims”

          The inquisition only had authority over christians…

        • Patricia A. Gallagher says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 12:04 pm

          Right. It was the *Spanish* Inquisition, prosecuted first by Ferdinand and Isabella after they expelled the Moors from the Iberian Peninsula and united the Kingdoms of Castille and Aragon. They declared Catholicism to be the official religion of Spain and persecuted and purged Spain of Jews and Muslims. The Catholic example of “convert, leave, or die.” A dark brush with which the entire Church is tarred.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 1:08 pm

          Patricia A. Gallagher posted:

          “Right. It was the *Spanish* Inquisition, prosecuted first by Ferdinand and Isabella after they expelled the Moors from the Iberian Peninsula and united the Kingdoms of Castille and Aragon. They declared Catholicism to be the official religion of Spain and persecuted and purged Spain of Jews and Muslims. The Catholic example of “convert, leave, or die.” A dark brush with which the entire Church is tarred.”

          Ferdinand and Isabella expelled the moors but plenty of muslims preferred to continue to live in Spain. They were called mudejars and, unlike Jews, they were given the option to keep living in Spain and practicing their religion. Ferdinand and Isabella hoped they would eventually convert to catholicism out of their own free will. Long story short, they were a constant source of problems for the Spanish rulers, they hoped ottomans would send an army to take back al-andalus, and they gave muslim pirates info of where and when to attack spanish boats and coasts, so in the early 17th century the spanish king told them “convert or GTFO”.

          The spanish inquisition itself could only pass judgment on christians and it dealt with christian heretics, and jewish and muslim false and relapsed converts. And, IIRC, if the spanish inquisition didn’t operate independently from the Vatican then, at the very least, it enjoyed a great level of autonomy.

    • Rob says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 11:18 pm

      But you’ve forgotten the ‘Trojan Horse’ hijacking of schools.
      You’ve got to inculcate those British Values in the very young.

      • Yaakov Holansky says

        Aug 6, 2014 at 1:34 am

        Rob, Obama said that Muslims were part of the Founding Fathers of this Country. It just gets more and more strange plus when he remarked that we have 58 States

  55. gravenimage says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    Former Archbishop of Canterbury: “Islam is reviving British values”

    Indeed, the British values of female genital mutilation, honor killing, jihad warfare, sex slavery gangs…
    ………………………………….

    Including blowing up those iconic London red double-decker buses and beheading British soldiers in the streets.

    Really, what could be more indicative of “British values”? sarc/off

    And this is why Archbishop Rowan Williams was Jihad Watch “International Dhimmi of the Year”—twice, if I recall correctly…

  56. Bill says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Are the “British values” the dhimmi Anglican is referring to the subjugation of women, child brides, authoritarian government, war and violence used to perpetrate Islam, intolerance, polygamy, the subjugation and persecution of non-Muslims, cleptocracy….Islam is synonymous with Nazism.

    • richard sherman says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 8:55 pm

      I understand what you are saying…but I believe there are some non Muslims( non liberals) who can be persuaded about the pure evil of Islam when they are educated as to whet a totally sick sob Muhammad was and as Churchill said …to paraphrase..
      there’s not a dimes worth of difference between MEIN KAMPF and the Koran.

      • bill says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 9:30 am

        The epiphany of a liberal Muslim coming to the realization of the diabolical and uncivil nature of Islam will only be realized when non-Muslims stand and openly oppose and criticize Islam. Soft peddling, obfuscating or denying the evil nature of Islam will only enable it and is tantamount to complicity.

      • 100% haram says

        Aug 7, 2014 at 10:59 pm

        actually, the fact that “mein kampf” and “jihad” both mean “struggle” should not mislead us.

        the quran (or mein quranpf?) actually has quite a few more references to the desirability of killing jews than are in mein kampf.

        the prophet (pigs be upon him) literally wrote the book on ultimate jew hatred. i do not know if hitler personally murdered any jews, but mo certainly did.

  57. Uncle Vladdi says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    What a delusive traitor.

    Re: “while lambasting sections of the press for presenting Muslims as “un-British” … He said one of the greatest gifts to Britain had been bringing back “open, honest and difficult public discussion.”

    This fool is unable to see the plain hypocrisy of his own words!

    So he thinks Christianity and Islam are not only compatible, but essentially the same?!

    Let’s dare to compare!

    Judeo-Christianity is based on the Golden Rule of Law (most simply put as Do Not Attack First) and also therefore based philosophically on the similar ideal that, between people, all is forbidden unless and until specifically allowed – i.e: I’m not allowed to do anything either TO, or FOR, you, without getting your express consent, first.

    From agreeing to this Rule, we gain trust, progress, and Civilization.

    Islam is based on the exact opposite – on what I call the brazen rule of chaos (or, of crime), where they slanderously hold it’s their holy right and duty to always attack the innocent others first, (before they can be ‘inevitably’ attacked them selves) and where all is allowed unless and until it’s very specifically forbidden.

    From this, they inflict distrust, stagnation, and barbarism.

    Our philosophy and religion are lawful, theirs criminal.

    CAPISCE?

    The Qur’an clearly and specifically tells muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their “crime” of not being muslims.

    So, if and when you consider islam to be a religion, you must agree with it’s main tenet: that God is a violent murderer who wants his muslim tribe to violently conquer the world by extorting, enslaving, and murdering all the non-muslim humans, right?

    So, as for this insane new “Chrislam” treason:

    HEY EVERYBODY! Let’s compare Jesus and Moe, the Founders of their respective creeds!!
    (Here’s my Top Ten, just off the top of my head!):

    1. How many babies did Jesus rape?
    2. How many slaves did Jesus take (and rape)?
    3. How many innocent merchants did Jesus torture, to get their treasure to pay his bandit armies?
    4. How many bandit armies did Jesus lead, and how many countries did they invade & enslave?
    5. How many poisoned swords named “Death!” did Jesus own and use to behead enemies?
    6. How many times did Jesus lie, say “God is the greatest deceiver!” and rob and extort people?
    7. How many people did Jesus burn out of their homes, while they were still asleep in them?
    8. How many people (who had only verbally contested his claims) did Jesus put out “hits” on?
    9. How many pregnant women did Jesus have run through with swords for doubting him?

    …and of course:

    10. How many people did Moe heal (or resurrect)?

    😉

    Muslims clearly state: “Islam was specifically designed and created to destroy all the other religions and cultures in the world, by deceit and violence, and to replace them all, until allah alone remains!”

    Clueless Christians: “Islam is peaceful and muslims want to be our friends!”

    Muslims: “No, we don’t! You shall bow to us, and we will destroy you all!”

    Clueless Christians: “Islam is peaceful and muslims want to be our friends!”

    Muslims: “Truly, only the will of allah could make our enemies so stupid!”

    …….

    Islam is victim-blaming criminal slander. Period. It even slanders “God.”

    Basically, islam denies there is a god at all, because Islamic “beliefs” include the belief that their god cannot be understood nor reasoned with, (so it might as well not exist at all) only feared and obeyed.

    They also include the criminal notion that, since Muhammad got away with committing his crimes, (and he tried them all, enthusiastically, many times and, far from ever feeling remorse or apologizing for them, instead encouraged everyone else to join him in committing them, too) then “god” must have wanted him to get away with committing those crimes! So obviously islam is only an ancient yet ongoing extortion-racket CRIME syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it, is where they say:

    “God told us to commit these crimes!”

    ;-(

    Christianity holds the exact opposite: that, even if God is too complex for us to understand, that still doesn’t stop God from being able to understand us, and to relate to us, and communicate with us, on our own terms, in the person of Jesus Christ. And Jesus advised us to help each other, not to prey on one another.

    • Lynne Newington says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 1:17 am

      Gosh Vlad; If you saw the recent documentarty on the Secrets of the Vatican and the interview with Italian investigative journalist Carmelo Abatte, the blasphemy and corruption there……

      • thomas_h says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 10:05 am

        @Lynne Newington
        You should have noticed by now that the subject of the thread is the monumental idiocy of the former Archbishop and in particular his latest epiphany that the Religion of Shit (Islam for you) “is reviving British values”.
        You may agree with the cretin and are welcome to elaborate – the site does publish the utterance of sometimes very confused individuals. But what in the world your weird “comment” has to do with the subject?
        Are you a muhammedan in troll’s clothes, or is it the other way round?

        • Lynne Newington says

          Aug 5, 2014 at 9:55 pm

          In realtion to bringing back values from what I read, he was trying to bring harmony within the community, with parishes and mosques interweaving; we do that in Australia, racial hatred is not permited here we are a muticultural nation, but wary of excesses with laws to deal with it.
          That’s why every body wants to reside here…..
          When it comes to our own, as in beliefs, we expect the moral fibre they proclaim to be transparent and are now collectively strong enough to do something about it when it isn’t.
          All stealth is stealth and what is done under the guise of Christianity is insidious.

        • Lynne Newington says

          Aug 5, 2014 at 10:08 pm

          I think my comment was well in proportion with the author’s, in particualr the last two paragraphs…

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 2:59 am

          The witless Lynne Newington wrote:

          In realtion to bringing back values from what I read, he was trying to bring harmony within the community, with parishes and mosques interweaving; we do that in Australia, racial hatred is not permited here we are a muticultural nation…
          ………………………….

          Here’s some of that “interweaving”:

          “Australian Muslim convert: Infidels “dirtiest, filthiest, most disgusting people to walk the earth,” Awlaki taught ‘pure Islam'”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/australian-muslim-convert-infidels-dirtiest-filthiest-most-disgusting-people-to-walk-the-earth-awlaki-taught-pure-islam

          “Australian Muslims hail jailed jihadist as ‘

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/australian-muslims-hail-jailed-jihadist-as-king-martyr-cutieking,’ ‘martyr,’ ‘cutie'”

          Them there’s the Imm in Australia who says that unveiled women are “catmeat” and are fair game for rape…

    • Bill says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 9:38 am

      You hit the nail on the head Bro with the descriptor: “clueless Christians.” I am an evangelical Christian and I sadly recognize that the vast majority of professing and freedom loving Christians are indeed “clueless” to the evil and danger of Islam. Even when many come to the realization they still do NOTHING!

      • Kepha says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 6:46 pm

        @Bill–

        Those of us who identify as Evangelical know full well that the Qur’an only pretends to follow the Bible, when it in fact is a garble of Arab tribal tradition and bits of word-of-mouth folklore about biblical persons.

        Further, since Islam denies that Jesus was crucified–and certainly denies the atoning character of that event–Islam is nothing but blasphemy.

        Yet, be aware that for all the MSM talking about Islam being the fastest growing religion, there are lots of Muslims leaving. One Libyan imam even mourned that Islam is losing to people in Africa at a rapid rate. Even in such areas as southeastern Anatolia and the Kabyle areas of Algeria, there is a new indigenous Christian presence among ex-Muslims.

        Among Christians of Iranian origin in America, those who came from Muslim backgrounds are rapidly catching up on those descended from Armenians and Assyrians.

        We need to be in prayer that the Holy Spirit continue to graciously open the eyes of people ensnared by Islam.

  58. Guy Macher says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    This man has the intellectual discernment of wallpaper paste.

  59. Soldiers' Mail says

    Aug 5, 2014 at 8:30 am

    Rowan Williams is a blathering idiot.

    • Huck Folder says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 11:15 pm

      I frequently confuse Rowan Williams with Rowan Atkinson.

      • Angemon says

        Aug 6, 2014 at 6:02 am

        Huck Folder posted:

        “I frequently confuse Rowan Williams with Rowan Atkinson.”

        Rowan Atkinson is a Master of Science in Electrical Engineering and made tens of million of pounds doing slapstick comedy. He also fought against censorship and for freedom of speech. Unlike Williams, Atkinson is a very intelligent individual and a freedom fighter, and he probably wouldn’t like to be compared to Williams.

        • Rob says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 4:03 pm

          My best from Rowan (Bean) Atkinson was his comment on the Muslim outrage over the Mohammed cartoons.
          He indicated that he didn’t find the cartoons funny either but that:
          ‘The best reaction to a bad joke is “Don’t laugh”‘

  60. Rex says

    Aug 5, 2014 at 10:12 am

    When a few Months ago, I read that a Muslim Leader in Great Britain countered a comment by David Cameron by publicly declaring that Britain is not a Christian Country, I thought the people of Great Britain would tell him in no uncertain terms and Britain has been a Christian Country for over a thousand years, but there was absolutely no contest; I scanned the web for several days, there was no response to this blasphemy.
    Now I know why.

    • Patricia A. Gallagher says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 9:14 pm

      Rex, the United States has been similarly scandalized, by Barack Obama:

      Obama, June 28, 2006 (prepared remarks): “Given the increasing diversity of America’s population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

      A ridiculous statement as it is, although sometimes mischaracterized by the deletion of the word “just” in the second sentence.

      The “dangers of sectarianism have never been greater”? No. Rather, the “virtue” of diversity is a thin veil for moral relativism, political correctness, and multiculturalism that are ripping our society to shreds. We have never been more vulnerable to Islamic supremacism. They have us just where they want us.

    • Lynne Newington says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 10:05 pm

      Maybe because real Christians accroding to Christ {Evangelicals or not} are known by their love…….Matthew 25:35-40.
      Maybe resonating the aim of this archbishop and he’s not the full one thinks of him.

      • Lynne Newington says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 10:21 pm

        ….Self Edited for spelling corrections:
        Christians according to Christ.
        Archbishop not the fool one thinks of him.
        Thank you.

  61. Lynne Newington says

    Aug 5, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    Not all Patricia not all.
    I can’t recall where I made mention of an interview with the *Egyptian doctor Tawifk Hamid with a message to the radicals to stop exploiting Palestine as a wedge against Israel*.
    A Muslim and not a convert.
    Look it up.

    • Mirren10 says

      Aug 6, 2014 at 6:32 am

      Williams is a useful idiot, and so are you.

      I suggest you actually **read** the koran, instead of mindlessly swallowing whatever bs you’ve been told by some sweetly smiling mohammedan.

      Visit the site below; it might open even your eyes.

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

  62. mele says

    Aug 14, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Im sure he loves kids..

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