Here yet again we see Muslims condemning an act of jihad terrorism — in this case, the murder of James Foley by jihadis of the Islamic State — without addressing the Qur’anic case justifying the atrocity. Consequently, it is hard to see how any member or supporter of the Islamic State could watch this video and be convinced that what the Islamic State is doing is wrong on Islamic grounds. Most of it is just platitudes.
There is one scrap of a substantive argument when Maher Hathout says that Islam forbids the killing of innocent people. Islamic State jihadis, however, would almost certainly respond that Foley was not innocent: he was an Infidel and a citizen of a state that the Islamic State has already announced it is at war with. The Islamic State has already warned that it would target American civilians; this would “strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah” (Qur’an 8:60). They can point to this hadith: “It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4321) “They are from them” — i.e., the women and children of the polytheists are from the polytheists and can lawfully be killed.
Ironically, Hathout warns against people who quote Qur’an verses to show the Islamic State’s justification for their action. He says that people who quote the Qur’an in this way don’t understand the nuances of Arabic or Islam. He does not, however, quote a single Qur’an verse himself to show how the Islamic State is wrong. Nor does he give us any specific explanation of how the Islamic State or the “Islamophobes” who are supposedly all over the media are misquoting the Qur’an and misrepresenting Islam.
The other substantive point comes in a statement from Hamas-linked CAIR: “The Geneva Conventions, the Quran – Islam’s revealed text – and the traditions (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad all require that prisoners not be harmed in any way.” And yet a manual of Islamic law has this:
As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first, to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Allah, may he be exalted, says, “When you encounter those [infidels] who deny [Islam] then strike [their] necks” (Qur’an sura 47, verse 4) (Abu’l-Hasan al-Mawardi, The Laws of Islamic Governance).
Hamas-linked CAIR does not explain how Qur’an 47:4 does not justify the beheading of Infidels. Nor do they explain how al-Mawardi and other Islamic jurists got the idea that killing prisoners was an option permissible in Islam. And so here again, there is nothing in CAIR’s statement that would change the mind of a supporter of the Islamic State. And without that, these condemnations are worthless.
Note also that appearing in the MPAC video is Jamal Badawi, an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas jihad terror funding case.
Jaladhi says
What else one would expect from liars except denouncing ISIS but not addressing the root cause of their murderous rampage on infidels. Will they ever discuss those Quranic suras which order Muslims to to kill infidels. No that will be insulting and disobeying Mo/allah’s orders which as a true Muslim they will never do!!
This is just cosmetic and designed to lull us into deep slumber about the truth of Islam. You will never get any scrap of truth about Islam from Muslims!!
Mulakush says
This is Taquiyaa writ large! Don’t believe anything any Muslim tells you, especially a Muslim in power.
Champ says
Many of these islamic leaders are marching in lockstep to that liar, obama …
Jay Boo says
The Islamic State follows Islam.
I heard on the radio today that Obama said (When speaking of ISIS)
“This ideology has no place in the 21 st century”
Did Obama unknowingly just condemn Islam itself?
Maybe imam Obama has actually had an awakening about Islam.
Dajjal says
Obamination has not had an epiphany. He knows and conceals his knowledge. He implied a false dichotomy between IS and Islam. I took his statement apart at Islam Exposed.
richard sherman says
The bottom line is that the sociopath Muhammad personally decapitated 900 unarmed Jewish men and kipnapped 1000 Jewish women and girls. Muslims and Obama consider this criminal conduct “perfect”…Rational people( non Muslims)…not Obama or any liberals..
.consider this criminal conduct criminal…
For 1400 years Muslims have been emulating Muhammad’s sociopathic criminal conduct…Neither Obama nor Holder nor Hillary will ever stop them’
chrisx12 says
Apparently, Muhammad killed them based on their own laws, so.
richard sherman says
So?..
the Nazis aka savages had their “laws” at Auschwitz…the Muslims aka savages had their “laws” as applied to the Banu Quarayza and Daniel Pearl and Nicholas Berg and James Foley…then there is the civilized world…It is the choice between sharia and freedom..There is no grey…Everyone has to choose!
exsgtbrown says
“When you encounter those [infidels] who deny [Islam] then strike [their] necks” (Qur’an sura 47, verse 4) (Abu’l-Hasan al-Mawardi, The Laws of Islamic Governance).
…and kill them even if they do accept Islam as has been the case
PGuud says
This is nothing but the insidious enemy engaging in damage control–because ISIL has exposed the fundamental nature of Islam to the masses.
Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.
somehistory says
As Ricky Ricardo might say, They are trying to make everyone look through a sweater.
Joe says
Hold on now. This contradicts your site’s assertion that moderate Muslims are silent about Jihad. This and numerous times, there are cases of moderate Muslims denouncing the violence.
voegelinian says
I don’t think Jihad Watch has ever said that “moderate Muslims” are “silent” about jihad; just that they won’t honestly avow and discuss the fact that their jihad is a perennial war against all freedom loving people.
And, in keeping with that, Jihad Watch has numerous times over the years reported on this or that Muslim individual or group of clerics and/or scholars and pundits issuing public statements to the effect that “Muslims oppose terrorism” etc. — where such public statements always have loopholes (e.g., “Islam forbids attacking ‘innocent’ people”, etc.) gaping wide enough (at least to those whose PC MC horse-blinders aren’t blocking their vision) to allow jet airliners to fly merrily through on a sunny day to ram into twin towers.
Woflgang says
There are no moderates, in actual fact the so called moderates under a caliphate would also be executed ! the savages that follow the child molester and pedophile Mohamed are in the truest sense reading the Quoran and interpreting it correctly ! ,no different from fundamentalist Christians !, the real distinction is of course Jesus never called or asks for his enemies to be beheaded.
Obama and Western leaders will not learn till its too late. The only way to resolve this is meet ISIL head on and wipe them out and then any time they rear their head by the of bombings or killing westerners is to hunt them out and destroy them, anything less from here on in is stupidity, there is no turning back now.
Appeasement will not work, this is a fight too the death ,sadly to say.
Stanton says
How can we believe these people, the Koran tells them to lie to the infidel….they always have lied and they always will……https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw
D.C. Watson says
With their fingers crossed behind their backs. “Condemnations” such as these are meaningless because they come from the mouths of good for nothing, lying shit sticks.
bobm says
As they say islam… talk is cheap… you talk in endless circles of bafflegab and follow your tongues into perdition……. by their fruits you shall know them.
Wellington says
I’m so sick of this shit, the shit here being that Muslim spokesmen aplenty, as in this video, assert that Islam is not what it really is. These miscreants, these inferior, foolish human beings, these disgusting excuses for being human are either: 1) lying, or 2) they are sincere. If the former, they are useless, an impediment to dealing with the spiritual fascism which is Islam. If the latter, they are useless, an impediment to dealing with the spiritual fascism which is Islam.
By now, considering 9/11 and what has transpired since that date, one knows that Islam is deeply and profoundly dysfunctional and malevolent. Those asserting otherwise can only be placed in one of two categories: 1) the invincibly ignorant; 2) the forever deceitful.
Prove me wrong, anyone. I aver it can’t be done.
Champ says
Yes!! I’m so sick of this lying and deceit too, Wellington!! ..I hear ya
lebel says
Muslims are dealing with their own version of the Nazis, its that simple. It took a lot for the Germans to see the Nazis for what they were and it will take a lot for the Muslims to see extremists for what they are.
Do not forget that these groups are funded and supported by state actors for all kinds of geopolitical games.
bazza31 says
Education is the only real way to move forward. The world MUST be educated on the true teachings of islam, which the world is witnessing at this moment!
Would love to see the full back catalogue of episodes of Jesus or Moh, Answering islam and Jihad watch viewed in prime time all across the West. It doesnt replace reading for yourself, but it is certainly a start!! No major media outlet will allow this I know, but cmon enough already with the lies and deception!!
Jerry says
The sequel to the Manchurian Candidate:
The Somali Candidate.
peterking says
All the muslim scholars are getting nervous because ISIS represents true Islam and followers of Mohamed. Rest of the muslim word is masquerading as wolves in sheeps clothing .They have been singularly successful in their deception up until recently when internet education became possible .Now they are afraid their true colors will be revealed which will probably signal the beginning of the end of all that Islam and Saudi Arabia stands for .They are running scared !
voegelinian says
Your description is accurate mostly; but, unfortunately, one has to slow it down to a near-freeze to convey the actual glacial pace at which the Mohammedan mask is falling and the West is wising up. The question for the foreseeable future is whether this glacial pace will begin to chip and melt fast enough over the coming decades to help avert the slo-mo Titanic disaster only we canaries of the coalmine (to mix metaphors) can see unfolding before our eyes.
sidney penny says
Robert
You need to put these excellent posts like the one above in to a folder or heading called (or under Rebuttals)
“Nothing to do with Islam”
By the way if it has nothing to do with Islam why are Muslim leaders coming out and saying what they say.
They should ignore it and say we are ignoring it because it has “nothing to do with Islam” and make no other comment.
If they are going to say anymore than that ,they should address the Qur’anic case justifying the atrocity.
voegelinian says
Indeed. With such common sense, sidney penny, you’d never get hired by Academe, or by any mainstream news organization, or by any political administration… 🙂
London Jim says
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, or at least CAIR’ll play it both ways.
Michael Copeland says
Anyone like chestnuts? There’s a load of old ones at the BBC.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6541-a-caliphate-in-90-secoonds
One way to help spread the word.
duh_swami says
‘If Allah causes all this mayhem, he can’t be good, and if he is powerless to stop it, he can’t be god’…
There is nothing ISIS, Hamas, Boko or many other groups and individual jihadists are doing that Allah disproves of. They are going by the ‘book’…Cair and the rest are either doing heavy taqiyya as damage control propaganda, or they are close to apostasy for suggesting ISIS not obey Allah’s words…I think propaganda is most likely the goal…
Jay Boo says
One of the Islam apologists said that Muslims “need to be pro-active”
How often have we seen these caliphate wishing Muslims act pro-actively against Islamic violence?
How many of them will publically say that Osama was a “bad Muslim”?
All they do is damage control and denial while playing the victim followed by a dose of indignant arrogance. Just the standard Islam BS playbook.
lebel says
“As for the captives,” this appears to refer to warriors taken prisoner, not non-combattants?
lebel says
“As for the captives,” this appears to refer to warriors taken prisoner, not non-combattants?
voegelinian says
“captive” just means someone captured.
According to the Islamic causus belli, anyone and everyone who refuses to submit to Islam is an enemy combatant. If Muslims at any point in time happen not to treat them as such, that’s only for expediency’s sake because of various accidental factors (including the relative military weakness of the Muslims for various reasons) — not because that basic principle is not perennially operational.
Tradewinds says
Voeg – I’m letting you know that the nutcase Jihad Jerk is around and just waiting to open his foul mouth at you and anyone else who has supported your comments. I’ve reported him to Spencer. He’s a plague on JW and should be banned. You know what the mental case said to me? – “you’ll never get rid of me.” How’s that for a stalking psychopath? Something has to be done about him.
dlbrand says
Indeed, just like the Mufti of KSA recently asserted, “ ]the well “featured” actions of IS] not in any way part of Islam.”
Come, again, Mufti and friends?
Islam, according to your “sacred texts,” is submission to Allah.
The same texts assert, Allah made submission—by showing reverence and preference for the way and the instruction of the prophet to the negation of your own should yours conflict with his—to Muhammad commensurate with submission to Himself.
Add to that, Sunnah of your prophet and that of his venerated and to-be-emulated companions included and includes the practice and trade of casting terror in the hearts of non-believers, by any means that attains that end; such acts are simply their examples of their devotion and attentiveness to the trade of jihad.
As such, central to the trade of jihad, thus, rife in the narrative of how Islam advanced and became strong, are the examples provided by your prophet and that of his companions on those unimpressed with Islam. Examples which included seizure of the life, limbs, and property of the stated unimpressed, and seizure of such by “the sword” –“the sword” covering an expansive umbrella of acts–thus, conquest through terror.
If these [IS] are now counted as enemies to Islam, it is only because they, now–when many Muslims and non-Muslims alike know well what sunnah of your prophet is–in their actions do what Osama bin Laden did with his “high-profile” actions.
Which is the same Al-Zarqawi did with his.
Which is the same the al-Sadr and his cohorts and their execution judgment halls in Baghdad did with their actions in 2004, 2005, and perhaps, still do.
Which is the same the London street meat-cleaver murderer, and countless other jihadist did and do with their respective savage acts of jihad: reveal the ugliness, the savagery in the actions of the true follower of the sunnah of your prophet.
In brief, Islam has been and is unveiled–the high-profile actions of these jihadist have been the impetus that brought to fruition the unveiling of the teachings in your doctrine.
No small wonder you count them as enemy #1 to Islam: their actions served to bring to light that which, for years, “you” kept the lion’s share of us fooled on. Blind to. Ignorant of.
For many of us who have and do study your “sacred texts,” the lines, the pages, the volumes disclosing your din have eradicated any ignorance and ambiguity we suffered from, with respect to the truth on the teachings and thus the tenets of Islam.
Your deceptive assertions are as true to your din as are the actions of the mujahidun of IS and other jihadist killing and being killed, all for the love of Allah and his “beloved” prophet and the din he brought.
TheBarMan says
http://www.jihadiots.com/Complacency-is-Complicity.html