Kathy Shaidle’s comment on this appalling piece is excellent: “I would die before I would repeat those words under any circumstances. And yes, there is a ‘peaceful verse for every violent one.’ However, Muslims use abrogation to decide which verses are more authoritative. The later violent (‘sword’) verses cancel out the earlier, peaceful ones. ‘The odds are that if you are assailed by a radical Islamist in the streets of London or Toronto, it will be with words not bullets.’ You forgot to mention knives. Just ask Lee Rigby. Oh wait… you can’t… Everything I needed to know about Islam, I learned on September 11, 2001. Take your talk of tolerance and understanding to a Muslim majority country and see how you fare.”
Imagine: a publication in the free West counseling submission to murderous thugs in order to save one’s miserable life. Giving in to thuggery has never been a virtue. Give me liberty or give me death, we used to say in the U.S., but probably there is a considerable number of enlightened Leftists here who will be nodding in agreement with Afsun Qureshi’s insulting and menacing piece.
Some comments from me interspersed below. “Afsun Qureshi: The Muslim prayer that might save your life,” by Afsun Qureshi, National Post, August 29, 2014 (thanks to Kathy Shaidle):
London, England — As a young girl in a downtown Toronto hospital, I stood on my tiptoes, peering at my cancer-ridden uncle lying mutely on the hospital bed. He was asleep — exhausted and wasted from years of waging war with cancer. For some reason, I was left alone with him for a few moments, which turned out to be the moments in which he took his dying breaths. He woke with a jolt and started shrieking in a booming voice that belied his deathly ill state. His eyes were dilated but fixed straight at me while he shouted the lines twice. I ran to my mother, hysterical and shaking. Nurses sprinted to him, adjusting machines and pumping fluids — but within minutes he had died.
In her attempt to comfort me, my mother explained that the words he had uttered to me comprised the shahadah, a testimony to the identity of Allah as the one true God, and Muhammad as his prophet. Muslims are supposed to recite the shahadah if they know they are dying. It signals to God that they are indeed Muslims, the real deal. Still, I was spooked for years.
Yet these words that terrified me saved a number of lives during the 2013 al-Qaeda-linked attack at Kenya’s Westgate Mall. To weed the Muslims out from the infidels, terrorists asked people to recite the shahadah to prove their faith. They asked other things too, like certain key passages of the Koran, the name of Mohammad’s mother, that sort of thing — it was al-Qaeda Question Hour. The wrong answer meant death.
After that, many, myself included, wondered: Should we — Muslim or not — learn the basics of Islam and have a read through the Koran? If one of us ever finds herself in a situation similar to that of Westgate Mall victims, could even a rudimentary knowledge of Islam save us?
Yes, non-Muslims should indeed learn the basic of Islam and read the Qur’an, in order to inform themselves about the ideological underpinnings of the jihad threat — not in order to kowtow to one’s would-be murderer in order to buy a few more years of a wasted, cowardly life.
More broadly, being versed in the Koran might help Muslims to discredit and marginalize the fundamentalists who have warped the words from that holy book.
That would be great: I would love to see a Qur’an-based refutation of the Islamic State’s understanding of Islam. Although everyone in the West assumes that such a thing exists and is easy to find, in reality the only refutations of the Islamic State’s theology from Muslims in the West are exercises in deception, diversion, and dishonesty.
Earlier this month, Philip Hammond, Foreign Secretary of the UK, where I live, said there were at least 500 British Muslims training with ISIS in Iraq and Syria — more Muslims, apparently, than there are enlisted in the UK Military. What if these lunatics decide to use their passport to come back to the UK to launch Westgate-style attacks?
For every violent passage in the Koran, there is a peaceful passage — which can be a handy tool when it comes to confronting radicals in the realm of ideas.
Nonsense. As Shaidle noted, the “radicals” know full well according to the Qur’anic (2:106) principle of abrogation as it is understood by mainstream Islamic scholars, the violent Medinan passages take precedence over the less violent Meccan passages. This is an ancient concept in Islam: in his eighth-century biography of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq explains the contexts of various verses of the Qur’an by saying that Muhammad received revelations about warfare in three stages: first, tolerance; then, defensive warfare; and finally, offensive warfare in order to convert the unbelievers to Islam or make them pay the jizya (see Qur’an 9:29, Sahih Muslim 4294, etc.). Mainstream Qur’an commentaries by Ibn Kathir, Ibn Juzayy, As-Suyuti and others also emphasize that Surat At-Tawba abrogates every peace treaty in the Qur’an.
In the modern age, this idea of stages of development in the Qur’an’s teaching on jihad, culminating in offensive warfare to establish the hegemony of Islamic law, has been affirmed by Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb, Pakistani Islamic scholar and politician Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, the Pakistani Brigadier S. K. Malik (author of The Qur’anic Concept of War), Saudi Chief Justice Sheikh Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Humaid (in his Jihad in the Qur’an and Sunnah), and others. The “radicals” know all this.
The odds are that if you are assailed by a radical Islamist in the streets of London or Toronto, it will be with words not bullets. For the sake of intellectual self-protection, it is worth getting up to speed on what these fanatics are so fanatical about.
There is much in the Koran about “kafirs” (non-believers) and how Muslims should deal with them. (Spoiler: They shouldn’t always be killed.)
No indeed. The “People of the Book” should be subjugated: “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).
From my personal experience, a conversation with a Muslim theologue always changes for the better once you show them you have some kind of knowledge of the Koran and Islam.
Odd. In my experience, once I show Muslim spokesmen that I have some kind of knowledge of the Qur’an and Islam, their response is invariably rage, contempt, and furious attacks on my character, parentage, associates, family, and more.
Some might fear that learning a bit of Islam will lead to a Homeland type situation, with folks going all Brody on us. But I doubt that. When I was growing up in Don Mills, Ont., school kids had to learn and recite the Lord’s Prayer, regardless of the fact that the majority of students at my school were Jewish. I don’t recall any of us going on to become Christian soldiers.
But the shahada is different: Muslims understand that saying it publicly in the presence of a male Muslim witness makes you a Muslim. It signifies conversion to Islam. Then if you say, “But I didn’t mean it!,” remember that the penalty for apostasy is death.
In the years since the Iraq War, paramilitary jihadist groups have been growing. They are all competing for the Gold Medal in the Jihadist Games: a big hit on America. UK is the Silver — and let’s hope Canada isn’t the bronze. Until this fight is over, a little knowledge could go a long way.
In other words, a little cowardice, a little submission.
Boston Tea Party says
“Odd. In my experience, once I show Muslim spokesmen that I have some kind of knowledge of the Qur’an and Islam, their response is invariably rage, contempt, and furious attacks on my character, parentage, associates, family, and more.”
I think you left out one thing, Robert—-they also promptly disengage and end their discussion with you.
John C. Barile says
The Devil hates to be mocked.
Rinzai says
Funny. She’s basically repeating the jihadist doctrine of ”convert to islam and we will spare your life”… She’s doing it in a ”moderate” way though… Allah (satan) truly is the best of decievers
...... says
The worst thing about this is that the National Post is or at least was a conservative newspaper, and (in the past) it was against jihadism.
King Dave says
It is now vogue for the Left to imply that anyone who is not currently in the US military has no right to say force is necessary to stop the Islamic state from committing Genocide, In fact they are Cowards. The old the weak, the young the handicapped they must be cowards too, right? And may not voice their opinion. Inadvertently suggesting force should be decided by the US military.
If the latter were true, as I wish, the Islamic state would be no more long ago.
It is those very same liberals who are demanding the genocide victims fend for themselves ensuring their death will happen un molested.
Well, excuse me: These victims should not suffer in silence as these leftist demand. And by shouting down their voices, liberals overtly condemn The Islamic states victims to their end.
Shameful
john spielman says
the reason the dying man shrieked with fear is that he realized that he about to descend into the sheol of fire waiting the Day of Judgement when he would be cast into the Lake of Fire because his sins had NOT been forgiven by his useless hajs, fastings, and recitations of mohammedan prayers.
Only the Blood of Christ Jesus can cleanse his soul and forgive hi sins
St. Michael Defend Us says
I was also going to comment on the last violent shrieks of that dying man. I was wondering who, or what, he saw, as he frantically tried to save himself.
My Catholic mother died very peacefully, thank God. How it would have tormented me, had she not. I know she went in God’s loving embrace, eager to join her parents, and with my loving wishes for her.
Jade says
I thought the same. My mom was a devout Christian, probably the most devout person I had ever known. She also died very peacefully, although had suffered a lot in the month prior to her death. It doesn’t surprise me at all that a Muslim would die shrieking, considering how they live. As for the suggestion the lunatic makes in her piece: cold day in hell.
gravenimage says
St. Michael and Jade,
I am sorry to hear that your devout mothers passed away, but am glad to hear that their passing was peaceful.
It does not surprise me that this contrasts so sharply with the death of a fear-ridden Mohammedan, terrified of the wrath of the vicious deity “Allah”.
EYESOPEN says
Something interesting to note: Rajneesh’s followers who died, died with a look of abject terror on their faces. Yes, indeed. One has to wonder just what it was they were seeing in their moment of death.
No Fear says
Your source for that?
No Fear says
While I sympathise with your view, none of this “Jesus” stuff matters if everyone is reading the Quran and not reading the New Testament..
R Cole says
I think what is being overlooked here is – with all the heavy Islamic peddling of recent years – is how little Muslims know about Christianity – there is a hint in ‘Christian soldiers’. They really cannot grasp that other religions are not pitted against them. And for ex. how different Islam and Christianity are constructed.
Let them learn Christianity:
Instead of going down this dark road – and attempt to teach people “moderate” Islam [w/ thorny bits removed/ Islam ‘the cleansed version’], make sure Muslims kids growing up in western society have a healthy knowledge of Christianity and Christian concepts.
[That we can be told to learn about Islam – but that calls to teach Muslims about Christianity would be met with calls of ‘racism’ – shows you where we have come – and more who has led us here.]
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Take Jesus for example:
The jihadist militants she speaks about – would want to blow themselves up – or carry out some other extreme deed to be in Allah’s favor – versus the Christian concept of forgiveness – wipes out the need for these extraneous measures.
Christianity is more faith based – watching Islam that is more works or action based – where Muslims would think – I’m making my prayers – look at me everyone [this proves I’m a good person/Muslim] . Where on the other side Jesus discouraged these outward displays of piety – and pointed out how it was often posturing – and urged followers to pray and to fast privately. While its 5 times a day for Muslims – Christians are urged to pray always.
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Conquest, Slavery in Islam’s Name
That some Islamic prayer might save our lives – it is very probable that the vast majority of the ancestors of Muslims alive today – said that same prayer – in order to save their own lives – when early jihadists came to attack. Perhaps in more than one way – for them this is their best advice.
Kepha says
This and the article about Jocelyne Cesari urging Europe to embrace Islam make me sick. So much for all these high-minded souls who spoke so nobly of a search for truth, intellectual integrity, tolerance, and progress! What progress? Apparently, progress towards a dessicated, sterile, and petulent faith that has never produced anything but slums surrounded by deserts–or jungles, if you’re in Insular Southeast Asia.
How can I embrace Islam, even if I believe in one God, the day of judgment, and that God has to be had on his own terms?
The Qur’an itself accuses us Christians of elevating Mary to the position of a god alongside ALlah, when we do no such thing, seeing Mary as no more than a holy woman whom we remember fondly, but by no means worship or pray to. Our Trinity is the Father, Son (Word), and Holy Spirit, these three being co-eternal, a living richness of persons within the single divine substance. So, then, how can I embrace as holy a book which I know bears false witness against its author’s neighbor?
How can I accept as holy a book that denies the death of Jesus on the cross; when the New Testament presents such a death as the sacrifice of atonement that wins for us salvation, and when the Old Testament bound together with my New Testament is also full of the need for atonement? Here at JW, we make fun of “misunderstanders of Islam”–but I say all Islam misunderstands God’s ways of dealing with man!
Islamic civilization has been proven futile time and time again. We had Squishy-juicy in various posts telling us that Christians are so demoralized we cannot protect our own womenfolk, and corrupt Muslim immigrants when they move in among us–yet he must know that where Muslims are not westernized at all, there is a deeply embedded culture of sexual abuse forced on women and boys. We’ve seen how quickly Islam as a culture degenerated when the Dhimmi populations grew too small or too degraded. We saw the rightly guided Caliphs assassinated by their own followers, and Islamic civil war breaking out (a) when Muhammad’s corpse was scarcely cold, (2) when Islamic nations are free of colonialist and neo-colonialists, and (3) when Islamic strongmen who’ve stayed in power by crushing all dissent finally go the way of all flesh, and (d) all of the above. Is this what we want for our descendants? Hell, no!
For the same reason, I cannot embrace the falsely-called “progressivism” or Leftism that has left my civilization pray to the thuggish sorts of Western Asia and northern Afirca; which has proven time and time again that is is ultimately nihilistic rather than constructive (Roger Garaudy is the emblem of where it leads). Socialism isn’t saving civilization; it is disintegrating it!
So I must set my head like flint and stand against such nonsense as I see in _National Post_ and Dr. Jocelynne Cesari. They are only leading our civilization to death, unless they accept the way out Jesus Christ offers. Thus, if I follow them, I am traitor not only to Christ, but to the very progressives and Muslims themselves, condemning them, as well as my posterity, to a perpetual dreary night.
Muhammad is dead. Jesus Christ is Risen.
Wellington says
I’ve never understood and never will understand, Kepha, how any devout and knowledgeable Christian can pay any respect to Islam, which, as you noted, distorts so much of basic Christian doctrine. Sometimes stupidly so. Sometimes vilely so.
A Christian paying respect to Buddhism? Certainly. To Hinduism? Of course. To Judaism most definitely. To Zoroastrianism? Yes again. And on and on. But to Islam? No way.
Kepha says
Wellington, old friend, a lot of “Christian” spokespersons and clergy are neither devout nor knowledgeable about Christianity. Or, perhaps, they may be vaguely devout, but have little knowledge; or, if knowledgeable, not devout. This condition is rife in both the major “Mainstream” Protestant denominations and post-Vatican II Roman Catholicism.
Perhaps I respect Islam because I see that they believe in God–but James tells me in the New Testament that the demons also do, and tremble.
Getting back to the “Christian” clergy that cause so much consternation to many of us here, I’ll make some observations. First, there are lots of RC clergy trying very hard to live down their church’s tradition of claiming to be the one true church. A lot of so-called “Protestant” clergy are so desperate to avoid being tarred with the **Ugh!-Fundamentalist! brush that they will deny everything written in the Bible save the “love thy neighbor as thyself”, and then they shake with embarrassment when they realize that Jesus was quoting directly from Leviticus, which tells us that homosexuality is an abomination. And then there’s the female clergy and the wannabes in RC circles for whom the whole thing is an “anything you can do, I can do better” game.
Am I making sense?
Wellington says
You make eminent sense, Kepha. And note that I included in my initial comment the term “devout and knowledgeable Christian.” Ah, if only eh?
Way too many Christians today are either not devout enough or not knowledgeable enough or both. Telling, is it not my friend, about the age we live in when an agnostic like myself has to accurately stand up for Christianity more than many Christians do? Ah, what, if anything, could be more telling?
sinantara says
Political correctness is a Christian heresy that states that your neighbor is the Other, to the extend that if the Other is always right and that therefore those who are not the other are always wrong (two legs wrong, four legs right, or the reserve). And since the persecuted are blessed persecuted are needed to bless–hence the state of victimhood as the highest moral good, which in reversal, makes succes despicable–Jews should stay victims, if they win wars they are not victims and therefore oppressors. This is easy because Jews are not the other anymore. But now the PC people are confused, how can the Other become oppressor? This is betrayal to PC dogma–hence the fervent denial that terrorists don’t represent real Islam. PC also states tht turning the other cheek and forgiving one enemies means, self destructive submission and supporting ones enemies. The question is, how far can you go? The pendulum always swing back, paradigms will follow. For a while the Seleucids could attack Jewish resistance fighters with impunity on sabbath. Untill some rabbi found a loophole allowing self defence on sabbath.
paddy says
No…you simply come across as an arrogant, obnoxious, I think I know it all…
gravenimage says
Kepha wrote:
Perhaps I respect Islam because I see that they believe in God…
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With all respect, Kepha, I don’t believe that the vicious “Allah” has anything in common with the God of the Bible at all.
We might as well say be respect the Aztecs because they took their religion seriously enough to engage in human sacrifice…
Champ says
Kepha, I am in complete agreement with you. Well said.
You wrote:
“Muhammad is dead. Jesus Christ is Risen.”
Hear, hear!
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Question: “Why is the resurrection of Jesus Christ important?”
Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-Christ-important.html
mackykam says
Don’t disparage the Testament by referring to it as “old.” You may call yours “new” or man-made up, whatever. The “Testament” was given by God to His everlasting people, the Jews.
And please do not link Christianity with Judaism: “Hear O Israel, The Lord Your God Is One.” Not two, not three. That was proclaimed to the Jewish people at Mt. Sinai a Millenia prior to Jesus’ birth. God is indivisible.
Champ says
mackykam wrote:
And please do not link Christianity with Judaism: “Hear O Israel, The Lord Your God Is One.” Not two, not three. That was proclaimed to the Jewish people at Mt. Sinai a Millenia prior to Jesus’ birth. God is indivisible.
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Excerpt:
Explanation of the triune Godhead
What then does it mean that God exists as the Trinity? It is a basic principle of our biblical faith that there is only one God. “Hear, O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is one!” (Deuteronomy 6:4). The unity of the Godhead cannot be questioned. God does not consist of parts. He is one. But Scripture reveals that there are, in that one divine essence, three eternal distinctions. Those distinctions seem best described as Persons, known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All three have identical attributes, however, and therefore they are one—not merely one in mind and purpose, but one in substance. To possess all the same attributes is to be one in essential nature. The three Persons of the Godhead possess identical attributes. They are one in substance and one in essence, and therefore they are one God.
More here: http://www.gotquestions.org/Godhead.html
Kevinr says
I’m sure there is no intent to disparage your Testament Macykam, but the Bible we Christians follow contains the scriptures that you have, plus the Gospels of Christ Jesus, the acts of His apostles and letters and teachings of the early Ist Century church. We thus use the term new, because Christians believe that in Jesus God has made a new covenant, so the term old is only applied to distinguish it from the new, it simply is not a derogatory term but one only of distinction.
On the other hand we must link Christianity with Judaism because Christianity was born out of Judaism and Jesus himself was Jewish. The last supper was the Jewish passover meal, and Christ used it to institute a new covenant, and by that covenant of His sacrificial death, He offers those who believe and repent of their sins, remission from them. We do not therefore worship three Gods but one, because only God can forgive sins, we therefore believe Jesus himself was God incarnate.
Me says
This completely misunderstands the Trinity. There is one God, who manifests himself as three persons. This is why Jesus says, “I and the Father are one,” rather than asserting that they are separate Gods.
As for linking Christianity and Judaism, all the protestations in the world will not change the fact that Jesus Christ answers the prophecies in the Old Testament. He fulfills the Scriptures. Read the last chapters of Isaiah (from 40) and you will see the person of Christ pictured, 600 years before His death and Ressurection.
awake says
Who let the militant, anti-Christian Jew in the back door here at JW?
As if someone had to actually explain the Christian doctrine to this troglodyte to excuse the use of the term “OLD Testament”.
Begone, you filthy troll.
Dennis says
You are not very nice.
Dennis Barron says
They called you a troll. How rude. Is this only a Christian has the only good opinion website?
Oy Vey!
awake says
So Dennis, my response to Mackykam was rude? In your estimation, Mackykam’s disparaging remarks about Christianity was not rude?
This is a non-sectarian site. We do not condone disparaging remarks about any belief, or disbelief, with the exception of critical analysis on Islam.
What say you to that?
Mark, the Golem says
Hello. I try to avoid posting here, simply coming for news – however – this is important.
The thing here, is not to fight over the minutae of our individual belief systems, but to realize that in order for our world to survive, we are all going to have to band together to fight against the very real possibility if the hell on earth that would be a world dominated by Islam.
Trust me, I feel where you are coming from. I am Jewish as well (the name, duh) and while it can be very difficult to explain to Christians that our theological beliefs are so vastly different from theirs as to make the term JudeoChristian seem oppressive to a Jew, this isn’t time for splitting hairs. We can live with Christians, and the can live with us and Buddhists, and Hindus, and animists, etc. NONE of us can live with Islam. Misunderstanding of the concept of En Sof? That’s an pleasant discussion over coffee, not a reason to lose allies in a war. With Christians it IS the same G-d.
Is it good for the Jews to split hairs now? No. So enough with the schande.
Jay Boo says
Mark, the Golem (Good Cop) said
“Hello. I try to avoid posting here, simply coming for news – however – this is important.”
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I hate to borrow from voeg but this sure appears to be a classic Good Cop / Bad Cop Routine
SallyA says
@ awake – You wrote “Begone, you filthy troll” and consider that Christian behavior? Okay then. We’re not reading from the same book apparently.
@ mackykam – You raise good points. It’s not at all clear that Yeshua/Jesus intended to start a new religion. I like “renewed” covenant for what Jesus brought to the world, grafting in gentiles. I struggle with Paul/Shaul (“apostle to the gentiles”) and question theorized inerrancy in his church-formation letters he never designated scripture. But without Paul/Shaul and church I’d probably know nothing of Yeshua and nothing of Torah, so I’m grateful as well. “Church” as translated from Greek can also indicate power and who knows what the Aramaic import was of verbal tradition. As a Christian I struggle with the trinity as doctrine. The earliest Jewish followers of Jesus whose writings are reported in the Christian Bible did not teach the trinity. Jesus and the earliest followers did not throw out Torah, “not one jot or tittle.” Matthew’s gospel makes it clear. All 10 major commandments (except seventh day Shabbat) were taught and no denial of Shabbat but an indication we were to constantly remain in the presence of G-d by His spiritual reign on earth, ushering in a renewed way to live. I’m okay with the idea of relationship among Father, Son and Holy Spirit indicating our need to be in relationship with one another and with the one yet triune G-d — but as a practical matter many non-RC Christians spend zero time on the doctrine of the trinity (it being a Roman imperial invention mainly from the 4th century as the Latin Vulgate indicates by later manuscripts scholars call the “Johannine comma,” 1 John 5:7-8, which do not appear in earlier texts). I especially like the Jewish idea of Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) as the set-apart feminine Spirit of G-d who inspires us.
Frankly I’m tired of Christian one-upness given how much deviation from what Yeshua/Jesus taught is prevalent in Chrislam and non-biblical churches today. Everybody is equally welcome to ask Yeshua to show them who he is. He’s been a good messiah and beloved to me. And able to help me stand the horror of knowing about Islam.
@ Mark, the Golem – Agreed, it is important. Jews and Christians alike are targets of Islamic genocide by the unholy guidebook of the Koran. As if Satan himself invented Islam. Oh, he did.
@ Jay Boo – As respect I’m willing tonight to spell G-d with a hyphen. So sue me.
@ everybody, which may include me, who’s taking side issues too seriously – Let’s keep finding the common ground of not liking Islam even one little bit.
Mirren10 says
”We can live with Christians, and the can live with us and Buddhists, and Hindus, and animists, etc. NONE of us can live with Islam. Misunderstanding of the concept of En Sof? That’s an pleasant discussion over coffee, not a reason to lose allies in a war. With Christians it IS the same G-d”
*Excellent* points, Mark, and very well said. Don’t pay any attention to idiots who accuse you of being a troll, or following some stupid ‘good cop/bad cop’ routine, and please continue posting. You make a lot of sense, mate.
Jay Boo says
@SallyA
SallyA said
” As respect I’m willing tonight to spell G-d with a hyphen. So sue me. ”
What a deceitful way to misrepresent and muddy the waters with a strawman tactic
Jay Boo says
mackykam you neglected to spell G-d with a hyphen.
mackykam said
Don’t disparage the Testament by referring to it as “old.” You may call yours “new” or man-made up, whatever. The “Testament” was given by God to His everlasting people, the Jews.
I say to mackykam
Old Testament – Old Testament – Old Testament – Old Testament
Get over yourself dude or dudest
The poor, poor victim mackykam who had just self-righteously claimed victimhood while pretending to inhabit lofty high ground then goes on to take cheap shots at Christianity in the very next paragraph.
mackykam get lost
Jay Boo says
mackykam stop trying to link Judaism with Islam
Jay Boo says
Denying the Trinity and mocking this belief on a Jihad Watch website is but the first step on a life of full on habitual Muslim butt-kissing in the futile hope of being spared by groveling disguised as intellectual discourse.
No Fear says
If God is indivisible then why does the Jewish Kabbalah divide up reality into four worlds, seven layers and ten sephiroth? Dude, I am an atheist and I can see how Jewish mysticism allows for a triune God.
Kepha says
Mackykam, No Can Do.
I follow neither the Gnosticism and Marcionism of the 2d-3d centuries A.D. nor the so-called “positive Christianity” of the early 20th. Rather, I’m an old-fashioned Christian of the Reformed variety for whom the Westminster Standards and Three Forms of Unity offer a good summary of my faith.
I do not disparage the Old Testament by calling it Old. I merely confess that it is not as recent as the last 20-25% of my Bible. Along with countless other Christians throughout the last two millennia, I go to the Old Testament for the songs I sing in praise (the Psalms), ethical guidance, understanding of the moral nature of human existence, and for what a lot of Americans have long called “the poor man’s History Book”.
If you have a problem with coupling Judaism and Christianity, I’m afraid that such a coupling is just the nature of the beast. “Stupid fundamentalists” of the sort I was raised to disparage, whether they live in the American Midwest or in Upland Southeast Asia (where they didn’t even have written languages until the 19th century) have understood that Jesus is a Jew simply by flipping the pages between the Old and New Testaments. The big issue between Judaism and Christianity has always been whether M’shiach has come or not.
Others beat me to the punch about one substance, three persons. If you’re serious about the conversation, go to some of the creedal statements I’ve given.
And, BTW, even a husband and wife are _besor echod_ (Gen. 2:24). Sorry about the transliteration. I haven’t figured out how to plug Hebrew in with the comments section here.
St. Michael Defend Us says
This person does not seem to know that the “Father” of the Lord’s Prayer is the God of both the Christians and the Jews.
St. Michael Defend Us says
She mentions Don Mills, Ontario. I searched for it, it is a town of less than 30,000 persons but they are building a 300 million dollar Islamic mega-center and Aga Khan museum.
john spielman says
I bet it’s Saudi Arabia building the mega mosque not the local mohammedans
Carol G says
If G-d forbid I was ever threatened with death by a Muslim terrorist, instead of reciting the Shahada to prove I was a Muslim in order to save my life, I hope I could respond with a gun and send them to Muslim paradise!
voegelinian says
“In the modern age, this idea of stages of development in the Qur’an’s teaching on jihad, culminating in offensive warfare to establish the hegemony of Islamic law, has been affirmed by Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb, Pakistani Islamic scholar and politician Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi…”
It’s also important to note in this specific context that Ingrid Mattson, the Canadian convert to Islam who served as President of the mainstream Islamic organization ISNA, a broad umbrella organization over all of North America, and who also has worked as a teacher of the Qur’an for classes which all military and prison chaplains of North America have to take to gain accreditation — is on record expressing her professional admiration for both Qutb and Maududi as the reason why she uses them in her chaplaincy classes. How much more indicative of being a mainstream Muslim, and of being knowledgeable about mainstream Islam and the Qur’an can Mattson’s credentials be? (She also, incidentally, was invited to give speeches at both of Obama’s DNCs.)
More details here:
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/03/mattson-and-maududi.html
Mirren10 says
What a repulsive little, sly little, stinking little **bitch**.
This is nothing more than ”submit or die”, couched in the most disgusting, pusillanimous, self-serving rhetoric I have ever had the misfortune to hear.
But how typically **islamic** ! This disgusting cow premises that absolutely **nothing** is worth standing for, and tries to posit that reciting this foulness is merely a sensible way to save one’s life. Because mohammedans will betray their ‘religion’ to save their skins, and actually hold **nothing** to be of value, save their own miserable survival, they assume that Christians, and members of other *proper* religions, are as wretchedly cowardly and self-serving.
Has she not heard of Merriam Ibrahim, and Asia Bibi, and countless other Christians who were, and are, ready to die for what they hold most sacred ? Before they will lie in order to save their necks ? But no doubt, as a good little mohammedan, she thinks this brilliant and stellar courage is merely ‘foolish’.
Like Kathy Shaidle, I would rather die than corrupt myself by reciting this vile mohammedan creed, and I say this as an agnostic. One can purchase life at too high a price, and a price that exacts a rejection of everything that is decent and good, is too damn high for me.
Rezali Mehil says
Hello Mirren …
Other than your two ugly sisters …is there anyone you like…
This “bitch” you are talking about is just making a suggestion for world peace…anyway never mind about her …the article below is much more interesting ….
That wan*er King Abdullah …is genuinely worried ….since his created child called the ISIS has gone off script and wants to devour him too. He is DESPERATE to get the West involved to do his dirty work again…hopefully this time the West will want him and his Wahabi religioous crones off the map before getting involved. …Let this fuc*er get a piece of his own pie…bastard that he is….this is all his doing….bloody sunni.
ISIS is getting 2Million in Oil revenues a day …who is buying their oil..USA …why are you not deploying sanctions against IS oil…is that too much to ask?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738601/West-ISIS-target-unless-rapid-action-Saudi-King-warns-jihadists-behead-Lebanese-soldier.html
More Later…
rezali
Wellington says
How about “Less later,” rezali? As in a lot less, to nothing if possible, because where your posts are concerned the latter that would be ideal.
Whatever’s wrong with the world, it’s nothing the likes of you can fix. Get lost, loser. You convince no one of sense. And convincing malicious fools like yourself doesn’t count at all.
Go away. Sooner would be preferable to later. Far preferable.
paddy says
Yeah…sod off Rezali. Nobody likes you.
gravenimage says
The vile Rezali Mehil wrote, replying to Mirren:
Hello Mirren …
Other than your two ugly sisters …is there anyone you like…
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Not sure if the “ugly sisters” she’s referring to here are Meriam Ibrahim and Asia Bibi, or poster Dumbledore’s Army and myself.
She often lumps in the three of us—personally, though it is not of course intended in this way, I could not be more flattered than to be in the excellent company of these two staunch Anti-Jihadists.
And Mirren likes lots of people—just not vicious Mohammedan apologists for pedophilia and genocide like Rezali Mehil.
More:
This “bitch” you are talking about is just making a suggestion for world peace
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Grimly hilarious—this is like saying that a Mafia enforcer is ‘making a suggestion for community harmony’ by demanding that shop owners pay “protection money”.
More:
anyway never mind about her …the article below is much more interesting ….
That wan*er King Abdullah …is genuinely worried ….since his created child called the ISIS has gone off script and wants to devour him too. He is DESPERATE to get the West involved to do his dirty work again…hopefully this time the West will want him and his Wahabi religioous (sic) crones off the map before getting involved. …Let this fuc*er get a piece of his own pie…bastard that he is….this is all his doing….bloody sunni.
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Also grimly hilarious.
Shi’ite Rezali Mehil has been even more schizophrenic than usual in the past few months, desperately see-sawing back and forth between gloating over the threat that ISIS and the Islamic State present to the West, or else hysterically demanding that we oppose the “Caliphate” so that she and her fellow Shia can be saved from their savage Sunni coreligionists.
This post is one of the latter.
She wants to see us all enslaved or dead—but we better save her from Sunni Muslims first!
Mirren10 says
rezali, you are *so* predictable !
”Other than your two ugly sisters …is there anyone you like…”
Like gravenimage, I’m not sure whom you’re referring to, here, but if it’s dumbledoresarmy and gravenimage, I am honoured to be named in their company. And to answer your rhetorical question, yep, I like *loads* of people, you just don’t happen to be one of them !
”This “bitch” you are talking about is just making a suggestion for world peace”
No, what this piece of mohammedan scum is suggesting, is that we in the West should just roll over and submit to islam, in order to ‘save our skins’. No difference at all, in intent, from IS, or any other mohammedan group of vicious murdering thugs. She’s just trying to sugar coat the pill. What a ‘good’ little mohammedan it is ! Any relation ?
As for your claptrap about Saudi Arabia, and the repulsive abdullah, and your drivel about ‘sunnis’, there is absolutely no difference between *any* of you mohammedans, in your sick and evil dreams of making the whole world submit to islam. So why would the West feel itself incumbent on intervening on the side of *any* of you ? Because you *all* want us either dead, or mohammedans, or acting as your milch cow.
”hopefully this time the West will want him and his Wahabi religioous crones off the map before getting involved. …Let this fuc*er get a piece of his own pie…bastard that he is….this is all his doing….bloody sunni”
”why are you not deploying sanctions against IS oil”
Your schizophrenia is becoming more overt, dear. It makes no difference to me what labels you choose to put on your various ridiculous sects; you are *all* mohammedans, and as such, my enemies. You will all continue to turn on each other, and murder each other, as islam has always done, since the days of putrid, rotting, paedophile mo.
How are the wifies, by the way ? And the beard ?
More later, chumbawumba !
The Right Honourable Francis Urquhart MP says
Here’s one for you Robert:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/29/Milton-Keynes-Mayor-Resigns-Over-Licensing-Sex-Offender
MILTON KEYNES MAYOR RESIGNS AFTER VOUCHING FOR RAPIST FOR TAXI LICENCE APPLICATION
Muslim mayor, muslim rapist friend and same mosque. In fact, the now ex mayor is the trustee of the mosque.
Dirty b*stards.
duh_swami says
fundamentalists who have warped the words from that holy book.
Which words were those? What ‘Holy’ book?
voegelinian says
The wording of the key part of Afsun Qureshi’s piece is inherently embiguous, amenable to being deliberately exploited to try to manipulate her reader:
To weed the Muslims out from the infidels, terrorists asked people to recite the shahadah to prove their faith. They asked other things too, like certain key passages of the Koran, the name of Mohammad’s mother, that sort of thing — it was al-Qaeda Question Hour. The wrong answer meant death.
After that, many, myself included, wondered: Should we — Muslim or not — learn the basics of Islam and have a read through the Koran? If one of us ever finds herself in a situation similar to that of Westgate Mall victims, could even a rudimentary knowledge of Islam save us?
The ambiguity here is her implication that in these life-or-death situations like the Nairobi mall attack, a person could save their life simply by knowing the Al Qaeda Q&A — without also professing the shahada. Her wording implies this, but does not spell it out, leaving wiggle room for the counter-implication — through cleverly camouflaged kitman left insulated by the ambiguity — that in fact she meant to include the shahada profession as a necessary ingredient in her escape-hatch recommendation. This latter certainly seems to be Spencer’s interpretation (and I agree, as I firmly advocate any approach that always errs on the side of not giving any Muslim claiming various flavors of oh-so innocent moderation the benefit of any doubt). It’s not explicitly clear that Spencer would relax his condemnation of Afsun Qureshi’s escape-hatch recommendation if it included the possibility that one could escape certain brutal death (including horrific torture) merely by answering the Al Qaeda Q&A — without also professing the shahada; it certainly would be worthwhile to ascertain whether in such incidents as the Nairobi mall attack, the Mohammedan commando units were sometimes satisfied with answers short of a shahada profession. And if so, one would be puzzled as to why Spencer would maintain his rather severe moral high ground of condemning anyone who would try to spare their life that way — again, with answers short of a shahada profession — as a “coward”. Not everyone is a Dietrich Bonhoeffer or a St. Justin Martyr. To expect everyone to be that way — on pain of condemnation as a “coward” — is unrealistic and, frankly, uncharitable (not to mention that in any crowd being attacked by Mohammedans, there may well be wily individuals who can use some extra minutes gained by passing such tests in order to do something practical about the situation, in terms of disabling some of the Mohammedans and/or saving some of the victims). One may dare to venture further and say that gaining such time even with a shahada profession does not necessarily reflect the nadir of “wasted, cowardly life” (as Spencer puts it with such scintillating ruthlessness), but may be understandable and forgiveable (not to mention, again, that it could have beneficial pragmatic results in terms of buying time in order to disable one or more of the Mohammedans and saving one or more of one’s fellow victims; for, to many individuals who would be in such a dire circumstance, the shahada really means nothing, and so its profession in such a dire circumstance would be a cynical maneuver — though one wonders if Spencer’s remarkable ire in this context does not derive from his orthodox Christian conviction that such a profession in articulo mortis would constitute a renunciation of one’s Christian faith and/or a refusal to be a Christian martyr for the sake of a cowardly preservation of fleshly existence). Notwithstanding that last caveat, most of this would be moot if we could ascertain whether these Al Qaeda Q&As necessarily entailed the shahada profession (and whether they do so for specifically Islamic reasons).
gravenimage says
Well, I agree. Afsun Qureshi is being weasely as hell, and her words can be taken in more than one way—so common with Muslims.
And I would not necessarily condemn someone who recites the Shehada with a gun at their head or a knife at their throat—or, especially, at the throats of their loved ones.
We have to put the moral onus where it belongs—on the vicious Mohammedans who would demand such a thing in the first place.
Kathy Shaidle says
You’ll have to take up your complaints about being “unrealistic” and “uncharitable” with Jesus, then. Sorry:
“Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. “But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.”
Matthew 10
voegelinian says
Yes, that applies to Christians. As Spencer has said many times, this Counter-Jihad fight we’re all in is a larger family including many who are not Christians. And even with regard to the Christian members, is not the judgement upon them to be reserved to God alone?
SallyA says
Thank you, Robert Spencer, for this excellent article. Only recently did I learn that MB theorist Qutb authored the book, Milestones, used in American mosques and US Muslim youth organizations (in major cities) to radicalize according to the salafism model. This info is being suppressed. It should alarm all US citizens.
I’ve had a foot in two camps of Christianity. One sees the last-days prophecies as metaphorical, about our spiritual growth. Another sees them literally. The speed of approach of great evil suggests literal today. Maybe there’s not going to be a future 3.5 years plus 3.5 years of horrors as online prophecy pundits say now that I’m reading them. Maybe the messianic (or church) age started per Torah observance when Yeshua/Jesus want to the temple at age 12. Maybe the tribulation’s already started. Maybe human theories about it coming later aren’t right. If so, Robert Spencer has good guidance if we believe in salvation through Yeshua/Jesus about what not to do: “But the shahada is different: Muslims understand that saying it publicly in the presence of a male Muslim witness makes you a Muslim. It signifies conversion to Islam. Then if you say, “But I didn’t mean it!,” remember that the penalty for apostasy is death.”
The Torah and Gospel penalty of denying the true God for a false deity like Allah would be loss of eternal salvation. I’m no theologian but I remember Sunday School and about the Bible, like David Wood says about the Koran, I can read.
SallyA says
typo fix – Yeshua/Jesus went to the temple at age 12.
Alice says
I am in both camps, as well, and my view is that literal looks pretty accurate as to players and events, if not to the four horses that look like this and so on, although I am caught between the view of is it Roman Empire, or is it Islam (or both) since I read a book by an apostate from Islam who lives in Alberta …BUT it really doesn’t matter, because that is us trying to guess God’s moves. Whichever path He chooses is fine with me. Just waiting for the fall of Damascus…
SallyA says
@ Alice – Definitely hear ya! Also I’m following Damascus politics. Jesus and the Olivet discourse (in gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke) should relax me to pray and watch for God’s plan to unfold, but it seems human nature to want to know more. This website is really detailed, for example: http://ichthys.com/Coming-Tribulation-Home-Page.htm
I really look forward to the new heavens and the new earth. Meanwhile, we’re here and not martyred, so God still has errands for us.
sencit says
‘Roman Empire or Islam?’
Remember the Roman Empire had an Eastern leg!
festus says
Majority Christian can’t even quote their bible rightly and now you add an extra burden from a book you can’t even read
Transmaster says
In my lifetime I have seen President Peanut farmer lay the ground work for Islamic terrorism, now we watch another total Democratic idiot, The Sultan of Stupid, who is throwing Israel to the dogs, pouring gasoline on Islamic terrorism with his Arab Spring crap, and funding of “Islamic Freedom fighters” and finally he can’t make up his mind as to what to do now. Are we going to have what his holiness calls “work place violence” attacks with car and truck bombs, suicide bombers at McDonald’s, Rocket attacks on shopping malls, nerve agents let loose in schools, all along our southwest border. I wonder how President Two-face is going to explain it away.
pennant8 says
Love Kathy Shaildle’s comment “Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on September 11, 2001.” prior to 9/11 I didn’t know diddly squat about Islam. I thought the Ottoman Empire was a furniture store. Thanks to Robert Spencer’s numerous books and articles I now feel that I am fairly well educated on the subject. Thank you Robert.
voegelinian says
Kathy Shaidle is an under-appreciated warrior-of-ideas in the news media theater of our war of ideas; it would be well worth the time and trouble to look up some of her pieces.
One good place to look is among what an advanced Google search pulls up when searching for her name yielding articles archived at the fine blog, “Ruthfully Yours” (the blog of Ruth King — speaking of under-appreciated warriors-of-ideas…).
SallyA says
@ pennant8: Your words, “I thought the Ottoman Empire was a furniture store.” Still laughing. It’s true. It also begs the Q why we weren’t taught anything about the Ottoman Empire (other than pretty buildings and it’s gone) in US public schools or university survey courses.
voegelinian says
“Sofa” by the way derives from an Arabic word suffah. Ditto for the ottoman (deriving ultimately from the Arabic name Uthman, the second Caliph of the 7th century), which we Kuffar sometimes like to rest our stockinged feet on after a long day, sipping a haram drink…
voegelinian says
I should have added: daydreaming of the day we will rest our feet on the larger Ottoman.
voegelinian says
One could imagine a Muslim immigrant family owning a “Sofa King” store, à la the SNL skit.
Jay Boo says
Ottoman Empire would be a catchy name for a furniture store.
Unfortunately jihad jerks from around the world would congregate there thinking it was a ‘safe house’ bomb making facility and CAIR would file lawsuits claiming the name was offensive to supremacist caliphate seeking Muslims.
Fewenuff says
Maybe sometime in the future IF Islam goes through a reformation. Furthermore when Islam makes the contributions to culture after said reformation on the same scale and with the same intent that the Judeo-Christian culture has, MAYBE. Unicorns might just exist too.
Islam is currently a binary solution set. Submit or Fight.
Lan astaslem!
David Wood says
I just made a video on the forced conversion of Yazidis to Islam:
gravenimage says
Thank you, David.
Jay Boo says
Thank you, David
Unfortunately you some (dishonest) competition on Yahoo or possibly MSN linked to Yahoo.
I will repost what I wrote on another thread below.
Must see — MSM indoctrination video that ends with “now you can say I get it”
Why is ISIS murdering Yazidis?
1 SHIFT THE FOCUS — According to the link it is (because of who the Yazidis are) and not about who ISIS is.
2 EQIVOCATE— Because like Christians as well as ISIS Sunni Muslims consider Yazidis devil worshipers.
3 SIMPATHIZE and see ISIS point of view — Because ISIS and their form of religion feel threatened by the Yazidis.
4 Yes, this MSM indoctrinator actually said that they (feel threatened by the Yazidis)
Have they no shame left at all.
http://news.yahoo.com/yazidi-yezidi-iraq-refugee-isis-223354739.html? outbr=katiec2014
Jay Boo says
Typo
Unfortunately you HAVE some (dishonest) competition
SallyA says
@ David Wood – Excellent, serious yet funny, as you consistently are. Can’t tell you how many people I refer to your Youtube, “Reading is Islamophobic.” Keep up the good spiritual fight. You’re a voice for reason and truth in a crumbling world.
No Fear says
Thanks David. Love your work.
SpiritOf1683 says
If anything sums up and betrays the weakness of the West, that headline does it in a nutshell. If the evidence of the last 13 years is anything to go by, the West will be finished before this century is out if this self-abasement doesn’t stop. Timid words lead to timid actions, craven words lead to cravenness, and cowardly statements lead to cowardice. If the West falls to Islam, being born in the West will be the cruellest thing to happen to a person, and a betrayal to all those great men who saved Western civilization over the centuries. We are betraying men like Pelayo, Martel, Sobieski, and so many others, whose sacrifices in their time made us free. We need only look at how we hobble Israel to know there’s fear in our eyes, we have become a paper tiger, and the Jihadis can see and sense it. Political correctness rules, and we can’t bring ourselves to kill the enemy until we’ve consulted a lawyer. Yes, that actually happened when we had the Taliban leader Mullah Omar in the sights of a predator drone. The Pentagon contacted a lawyer to ask if he could be killed, and in the meantime, Omar escaped. You don’t win a battle for survival by consulting lawyers, and that just proves our abasement.
john says
Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see where the author advises anyone to convert to Islam.
voegelinian says
Not convert to, perhaps, but certainly embrace Islam as a massive presence and partner of — and in — the West. This is, as someone else here mentioned, essentially the same message as the colubrine Islamopologist Tariq Ramadan has been trying to sell for years.
gravenimage says
john wrote:
Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see where the author advises anyone to convert to Islam.
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John, reciting the Shehada *is* how one converts to Islam.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/S/shahada.html
gerard says
“He woke with a jolt and started shrieking..”
The death of Ahmed Deedat:
Alice says
horrifying!
gravenimage says
National Post advises: Convert to Islam to avoid being murdered by jihadis
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*Appalling*…
More:
‘The odds are that if you are assailed by a radical Islamist in the streets of London or Toronto, it will be with words not bullets.’ You forgot to mention knives. Just ask Lee Rigby. Oh wait… you can’t…
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My God—where to start? For one thing, yes—ask Lee Rigby, or maybe Theo van Gogh…oh, wait…you can’t ask him, either…
And then Afsun Qureshi is positing in a perfectly matter-of-fact manner that you are apt to be confronted by ravening Mohammedans in the streets *of London and Toronto* who demand that you convert to Islam or they will murder you.
More:
Yet these words that terrified me saved a number of lives during the 2013 al-Qaeda-linked attack at Kenya’s Westgate Mall.
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Another Muslim using the passive tense—these words did not “save lives” in the same way that, say, a knowledge of woodcraft might save lives if someone is gets lost on a hike. Instead, they were used as way for Qureshi’s savage coreligionists to weed out the Infidels, so that they *could be slaughtered*.
More:
There is much in the Koran about “kafirs” (non-believers) and how Muslims should deal with them. (Spoiler: They shouldn’t always be killed.)
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No, indeed—sometimes they should be used as milch cows, sometimes they should be used as slaves, sometimes they should be used as sex slaves, or kidnapped and ransomed.
See? Who says Islam is all bad…sarc/off
More:
From my personal experience, a conversation with a Muslim theologue always changes for the better once you show them you have some kind of knowledge of the Koran and Islam.
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Last time I had such a conversation—with a spokesman from “AskIslam” at a downtown San Francisco subway station, he gleefully informed me that I was right that Islam condoned marital rape and that the Muslim Jesus’s (Isa’s) main role in the last days was to kill Christians.
While this was rather enlightening, I’m not sure I’d consider this a change “for the better”…
And that a Western newspaper—one, in fact, that is know as “conservative”—would counsel its readers to *recite the Shehada* when faced with a threat from Muslims is simply appalling.
Bizarrely, the Canadian Islamic Congress in 2007 singled out the paper “‘consistently is No. 1’ as an anti-Islam media outlet”.
The National Post has denied the accusation.
Perhaps this insane article is part of that “denial”—or perhaps this is what passes for a “conservative” paper these days…
They have at least one Muslim editor: Maryam Siddiqi, Deputy Managing Editor of Features.
gravenimage says
Here’s more from Afsun Qureshi, claiming that Jihadist Mohamed Merah and those like him don’t really kill in the name of Islam:
http://argumentsworthhaving.com/2012/05/15/afsun-qureshi-mohamed-merah-and-jihad/
Then there’s this weasely piece about the Niqab:
“Afsun Qureshi: Well-meant but flawed niqab law will hurt those it seeks to help”
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/04/14/afsun-qureshi-well-meant-but-flawed-niqab-law-will-hurt-those-it-seeks-to-help/
In it, she sneers at Infidels fearing what the veil signifies, and she claims that such a ban will “oppress” Muslim women.
She also denies that there is a Muslim culture of rape, and cryptically refers to it as “Indian”—while also admitting that it is rife in Pakistani and Afghan “communities”.
Lots more nastiness if you poke around.
In other words, another apologist for Islam.
Mark, the Golem says
Is it just me, or did someone actually suggest (in so many words) that the ‘Plan for World Peace’ was that we all learn to recite the profession of Faith to Islam?
Isn’t that EXACTLY was IS is doing?
So you give us the option of do it nice, or do it at the point of a sword?
How generous.
Alice says
Thinking this man met his Maker and it was not Allah!
Kepha says
May it not come to the point where we have to embrace the Islamic faith or fight–as opposed to remaining critical of Islam while accepting of Muslim neighbors who are at peace with us. As many of you know, Uncle Kepha loves peace, and takes seriously the biblical admonition to seek peace with all men.
However, if our pusillanimous governments go much further in bending over backwards to accommodate the thugs by having us either convert, accept dhimmi status, or die, I say the time has come when conscientious Christians are justified in rising in revolt–armed, if necessary. So did David when King Saul tried to pin him to the wall with a javelin. While I do not accept the books of the Maccabees as truly scriptural, I also note that Jesus observed Chanukah (John 10). I also freely admit that I feel Johnnie Knox, Philippe duPlessis-Mornay, Philippus Marnix van Sint Aldegonde, Oliver Cromwell, the Parliament men and Covenanters of 1638, the Dutch Sea Beggars, and old Dr. Witherspoon stirring in my spiritual DNA. And I nod to those 8th century men of Asturias and Charles Martel as well.
Let God arise and all his enemies be scattered (Ps. 68).
dumbledoresarmy says
Kepha, as regards that verse you just quoted – “Let God arise and all his enemies be scattered (Ps. 68).”
You’re not the first person to have quoted that verse in my hearing, of late.
I heard a nice motherly middle-aged English Christian matron – who worships within the *Anglican* subset of the Church Universal – quote exactly that same verse to me, recently, when we were discussing the brazenly evil deeds of Boko Haram and ISIS.
Dick Gordon says
Just this generation’s version of the Soviet era capitulation “Better Red than dead”. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_red_than_dead
Beagle says
Jihad Watch: come for the fight against Islamic supremacism. Stay for the medieval scholastic debates about the nature, essence, and characteristics of a triune belief system in the context of monotheism.
When we get that resolved, I’m sure any day now, I suggest refocusing on opposing a common unbelievably dangerous and strengthening enemy who focuses mainly on expanding by any means necessary. Allah “the best of deceivers” is on the march. Any allies who oppose him of whatever belief are fine with me.
awake says
Hear, hear, Beagle!
mike ryan says
As they said back in the shtetl, “Fun ayer moyl biz gotts oyerl…”…..”From your mouth to G-d’s ear.”
We najis kufar need to stay united and focused and NOT get into arguments over from which end an egg should be cracked open.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep, Mike.
Here’s the way *I* see it: Christians and Jews may not see eye to eye, but as we face the mass-murderous hordes of the ummah or mohammedan mob, surely we can manage to stand back-to-back.
John Preacher says
WARNING!!!! Knowing a bit of the Quran might save your life. But if you think reciting the Shahada to save your life is good, YOU BETTER THINK AGAIN!!! If Islam is the BEAST OF REVELATION as I truly believe it is. Then submission means a loss of Salvation, and certain damnation. Jesus spoke of these last days that many would die by beheading rather than submit to the Beast. I believe Jesus spoke of this very end time Jihadist threat of conversion Islam or death, when he said:
“Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. ” (Matthew 10:32-33).
“He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.” (Matthew 10:39).
… and I saw the souls of them that were ****beheaded**** for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4).
Clearly from the above you can see many will be beheaded (by Islam) and refuse to convert. These will be resurrected. But those who convert to save their lives will loose their eternity.
Anon says
“But those who convert to save their lives will loose [sic] their eternity.”
True for the most part but that is not a law and is not universal and begs the question “define convert.”
David feigned insanity 1Sam 21:12 – 22:2 and I think there will be those who know what they’re doing, who are the Lord’s own prophets, who know that “war is deceit” is not only for Islamists and who will be called for that purpose. David escaped and became a leader of so-called rejects 1 Sam 22:2. However, it is true that everything in this life is temporary. They won’t lose eternal punishment but they might lose eternal life.
doreva says
in canadian schools now it has become very popular to attack our children for “bullying” (and as we see on the internet with campaigns to stop “bullying” directed towards our young)…yet these same people who are such militant “anti-bullying” advocates utter not a peep against the real bullying that exists in the philosophy that drives the jihadist terrorist to say “convert or die”, “recite or die”, “pay the jizya or die”
and so on…this is what bullying really is. i don’t distinguish between the playground or the playground…ISIS is like a brutal, real life bully on the playground…how much further we would get in the campaign to stop “bullying” amongst your youngfolk, if we told them it’s ok to speak up against real bullies like ISIS, political islam, that it’s ok to loudly condemn the philosophy of the superiority of muslims over other “not so good” people like “kafirs”…actually, we should teach our children to say this (in the pompous language style of the koran):
“O Muslim, remember to address the Kafir with the honorific “Sir” or Ma’am” when addressing them, and to spell the name “Kafir” with a capital “K”, for Lo, Kafirs are equal human beings!”
Lanny Camden says
Very Good Article: I add this truth which may be long but hopefully enlightening.
Islam is a regurgitated copy of Christianity that has become a religion of men seeking God through their own works & laws of the Flesh. Not spiritual, as Jesus himself taught that God is spirit & we MUST worship him in spirit and in TRUTH only. The 5, but really 6 pillars of Muslim faith, including Jihad details this. In a religion, it is men seeking God by creating Laws and Works and offering a new prophet (slavery & chains) to obtain a promised everlasting life with the creator. However, for those who FOLLOW ( I did not say Christian) Jesus Christ as God’s Son, whom Muslims reject as the Son of God and as Gods gift to man. It then becomes a loving relationship in which by love we become obedient, humble, repentant, mimicking Jesus life & bearing the fruits of the spirit and not of the dead destructive fruits of the flesh. This is what he meant by being BORN AGAIN John 3 chapter. This is why Jesus taught us to pray humbly, not bowing toward Mecca 5 times a day with an assault attitude, but simply from a humble heart addressing God as our FATHER who created us all including his Son as the first fruits of a new relationship with God making us a family of GOD.
Even the Islamic Eschatology is recopied from the Bible, but the deity of Jesus as God’s son is rejected by Islam so that Mohammad can be elevated next to God instead. If we understand Jesus teachings we would understand that it was God himself who sent Christ as promised throughout the old testament as a mediator between sinful man and a HOLY God. Remember, no man has ascended up to Heaven except some one had to come down to show the way back first. It was NOT Mohammad. Holiness was not part of his life when marring a 9 year old child, beheading other humans and stealing and indulging in polygamy. He came 700 years after Jesus Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem and even Mohammad stated himself that in that of cave where he said he was in meditation he was grasped by a Jenn or demon. It was his wife that convinced him it was an angel speaking to him. Here are the works of the FLESH, hatred, murder, anger, malice, lust, lying, raping, war, vulgarity, filth, false accusation, self righteousness etc. Here are the works of the SPIRIT, mercy, kindness, compassion, forgiveness, humbleness, repentant, understanding, holiness joy peace. Don’t be deceived. God made the first move for all mankind through Jesus Christ his promised mediator. Islam is just fulfilling Jesus warnings about false dangerous prophets coming in the end times.
Uncle Vladdi says
Idolatrous liberal victimologists invent new predeterminism alibi-excuses for crime every day, re-stating there is no evil crime nor criminals because we’re all victims. Crime, they say, “just happens” because of accidents of poverty, and because we’re all helpless victims of society, products of our environments, and slaves of allah.
Since crime “just happens,” like sudden, unexpected thunder-showers, isn’t it the simple and obvious responsibility of it’s victims to prepare for it by ignoring it and moving on with their lives? Arresting criminals only perpetuates the pain and makes the criminal victims hurt as much as those they robbed; why enrage them and just ask for more pain by resisting them?!
So we should all just bend over and SUBMIT! and it will all soon be over!
After all, isn’t it better to take the occasional twig, than the whole tree!?
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OUR WHOLE SOCIETY IS RULED BY THE STOCKHOLM SYNDROME! AFTER ALL, TO THOSE CRIMINAL NEGLIGENTS IN POWER, THERE’S NO MONEY IN SOLUTIONS!
obsidian says
Before I would quote some vile Islamic terrorist screed I would quote a Muslim sentence, a Creed and a Prayer.
1. Lan Astelam.
2. This is my Rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine.
My Rifle is my best friend, it is my life.
I must master it as I master my life.
My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will…
My rifle and I know that what counts in war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit…
My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will…
Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and I are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.
So be it, until victory is America’s and there is no enemy, but peace!
3. Psalm 144-1: Praise be to the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
American by birth, Southern by the grace of Jesus, a Rebel By God.
Fred Gold says
The more I read the more I support Israel and more frustrated I feel with current US policy . Please keep up the good work Jihadwatch.org
Talal says
Do not convert to Islam before reading and understanding the Quran
Quran English translation is here http://www.clearquran.com