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Prof: To end appeal of Islamic State to Muslims, Europe must embrace Islam

Aug 30, 2014 10:23 am By Robert Spencer

CesariJocelyne Cesari is “senior research fellow at the Berkley Center for Religion, Peace and World Affairs at Georgetown University, and director of the Islam in the West Program at Harvard University.” In this piece she epitomizes what is wrong with academic discourse about Islam today: she doesn’t even mention the blazingly obvious reason for “the appeal of radical anti-Western groups like ISIS among European Muslims,” which she purports to explain in this piece: the European Muslims who embrace the Islamic State find its interpretation of the Qur’an and Sunnah, and its resultant call for Muslims to wage jihad for the sake of Allah, convincing on Islamic grounds.

Cesari, as part of the academic establishment in Middle East Studies, which marches in a dreary intellectual lockstep, and as a faculty member at two Saudi-funded universities, Georgetown and Harvard, cannot examine that possibility even long enough to dismiss it. If she mentioned it and asserted that these European Muslims were falling for a transparently false understanding Islam, as Barack Obama, David Cameron, and so many others have recently claimed, she would entangle herself in the same falsehoods and absurdities that make them look ridiculous today. But if she acknowledged that the Islamic State is basing its appeal upon understandings of Islam that have firm ground in Islamic scripture, tradition and law, she would be committing a mortal sin in the eyes of the Middle East Studies establishment, which has ruled out even examination of that possibility as “Islamophobic” and “hateful.” She does mention “the powerful presence of the Salafi version of Islam in the religious market of ideas,” but makes no effort to explain why its presence is powerful, and ends up apparently ascribing that power to the discrimination that Muslims supposedly face in Europe.

So all that is left for Cesari are the possibilities that European Muslims are drawn to the Islamic State because they are poor and deprived, which she dismisses in her opening paragraph, or that they embrace the Islamic State because European states are discriminating against Muslims and preventing them from integrating into European society. She ultimately chooses the latter option, despite its patent absurdity: European Muslims are not integrating into European societies not because those societies are “racist” and “Islamophobic,” but because Muslim leaders in Europe have denounced the possibility of assimilation and worked energetically to ensure that Muslim communities in Europe would remain separate and aloof from the larger society that those leaders hold in contempt as jahiliyya.

Jocelyne Cesari is, of course, not unique. She is just another establishment professor of Islam, of the type that American universities today hire by the pound in mass quantities. Her ridiculous analysis here is mainstream thinking in American universities today — which is one reason why the understanding of the jihad threat among government officials at all levels is so abysmally low.

“Europe Needs to Embrace Islam,” by Jocelyne Cesari, New York Times, August 29, 2014 (thanks to Thomas Pellow):

Counter to the common interpretation, the appeal of radical anti-Western groups like ISIS among European Muslims is not driven primarily by socioeconomic deprivation. In fact, three interrelated factors play a more significant role.

The first is the powerful presence of the Salafi version of Islam in the religious market of ideas. This is problematic because even as most Muslims in the West are not Salafis and the majority of Salafis are not jihadists, it happens that groups like Al Qaiada [sic] and ISIS have a Salafi background. It means that their theological view comes from a particular interpretation of Islam rooted in Wahhabism, an eighteenth century doctrine adopted by the Saudi kingdom. In the West, Salafis incite people to withdraw from mainstream society, depicted as impure, in order to live by strict rules. These reactionary interpretations do contain similarities with jihadist discourse.

The second factor in the radicalization of Muslim youth is the increase of discriminatory policies vis-à-vis Islamic practices in Europe, including the use of the hijab and regulation of mosque minarets, circumcision and halal food. All contribute to a growing sense among Muslims that they are not accepted as full members of European society. Anti-immigration and anti-Islamic discourse translates into discriminatory practices in employment, housing and political activities. It can be a factor in strengthening a defensive identification within Islam and therefore gives more leverage to any ideology that pits the West against Muslims.

Third, the collapse of all major ideologies in Europe — nationalism, Communism, and liberalism — has left room for new radical options. For some young Europeans, adherence to radical Islam provides a viable alternative ideology, comparable to that of radical leftist groups in the 1970s.

These factors reveal a lack of true integration of Muslims as European policies have prioritized socioeconomic measures. In other words, political efforts are needed to put an end to the ‘ghettoization’ of Islam, which is often depicted as alien and incompatible with Western core liberal values. It means that geopolitical issues like the “war on terror” should be disconnected as much as possible from Islam and its adherents and their practices. Europe, and to a certain extent the U.S., face a major political challenge, which is the inclusion of Islam within their respective national narratives. It is a huge symbolic task, equivalent to the undertaking that led to the integration of the African-American past and legacy into the dominant American narrative.

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  1. Don McKellar says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 10:37 am

    She may as well be speculating on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. That is how relevant her and her kind’s discussions are regarding Islam — both for the Islamic supremacist’s victims and for the Jihadis themselves!

    Why, just yesterday PM Cameron, a prize kowtowing British politician if ever there was one, had no choice but to admit at his press conference that this line of imaginary thinking had nothing to do with the world-wide Jihad by ISIS and their pals, and everything to do with their ideology.

    • Peace says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 12:19 pm

      The problem is though if you give Islam an inch it will take a mile and wipe out every other religion eventually. Sadly I read every minute posts from islamic websites saying change yourself do not change Islam and it’s laws and posts saying Islam accepts no other religion and unbelievers have no place anywhere . We should be terrified and sadly we just talk about it and are so scared to offend or be labelled racist that soon it will be too late and a Mosul situation will happen on our doorsteps sooner than we all think. Fact is that islamic state is huge and wealthy and driven and ruthless all the ingredients to perfectly exterminate anything they want. Someone that left Islam told me that when the Islamic population gets to around 30% the violence towards other groups escalates and then systematic wiping out of others begins . Everything I have read or heard tells me that sadly true Islam cannot exist with others as to do so is not islamic. Ebola could be a blessing to mankind

      • Don McKellar says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 5:41 pm

        That 30% rule is not just what somebody thinks, it is backed up by historical fact and statistics. As is factually observed in this famous study of the grim statistics in the book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, written by Dr. Peter Hammond: http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-to-a-society

        • Don McKellar says

          Aug 30, 2014 at 5:46 pm

          Even when it goes over the 2% mark things start to get out of hand. For example, when that study was done Norway had a less than 2% Muslim population. Today it has reached 2.4%, to their detriment. As a result, deportations to stop Muslim criminals have gone up dramatically. They have no choice. http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/norway-deports-record-number-of-muslims-to-reduce-crime/

        • Don McKellar says

          Aug 30, 2014 at 5:49 pm

          And in Sweden at 5% — well, we don’t even have to go into that massive criminal and rape gang disaster, do we? A nightmare unfolds for everybody to see due to leftist delusional insanity.

  2. KrazyKafir says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 10:39 am

    The pinnacle of the dhimmi stooge tool. She is the enemy of all free people, and too stupid to even realize it.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 11:19 am

      Yep.

    • ed says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 4:23 pm

      Actually, that is her job, to spin things (for saudi and islamic interests). It’s called taqiyya.

  3. Ralph says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Well, well, well: To start with this ‘lady’ has no idea about the Muslim’s… God’s Angel told Hagar, “You will have a boy and his name will be Ishmael and he will be as a wild donkey and his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand will be against him”… That happens to be their destiny and this “BIT@H” cannot change anything with the Muslim’s.

    • AnneM says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 11:50 am

      Got to remember that both Ishmael and Islam have ONE thing in COMMON, both are not LEGIT.

  4. Jaladhi says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 10:41 am

    If not openly Muslim, she is a closet or stealth Muslim that is why she is offering this dawah to the West to become Muslim. Twentieth and Twenty First century have produced more traitors among us than any other time! Did I hear crusade from the Pope yet or his throne is history!!

    • RichardL says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      She is not a Mohammedan, I bet she is an atheist. The explanation of her vomit-inducing stupidity lies in her academic host institutions. I have heard similar crap from a liberal professor who calls himself a “conservative Jew”. Leftism and Mohammedanism are twins when it comes idiocy.

      • Elliott says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 3:16 pm

        Clarification needed:
        The term “conservative Jew” is a misnomer. The term is used to indicate that this particular sect is neither “liberal” or “reform” Judaism. Both of the latter are far removed from “Orthodox” Judaism (in which the major tenets are observed, often scrupulously). “Conservative Judaism” has not rejected ALL the important aspects of “Orthodox” Judaism (which “liberal” or “reform” have), only some of them. Just thought you’d like to know.

        • RichardL says

          Aug 31, 2014 at 12:59 am

          Hi Elliott, thanks for the comment. I don’t really want to get into that debate because my impression is that this is an ongoing debate within Judaism. I put the quotation marks around the term to indicate that these were his words not mine. I think his approach is totally wrong on so many levels. He is simply confused by Enlightenment: he believes only rational human beings have rights. Children up to 3 years (his definition) are not rational therfore they have no rights. Same goes for unborn life, mentally handicapped, etc. Honestly, my interpretation of Jews who are extreme liberals like him is that they pretend to be Jews so that they can feel that their views are “balanced”. Life is sacred in Judaism but liberals like him pray to the god of rationalism, i.e. to themselves.

  5. kikorikid says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 10:41 am

    In Islam, the idea of assimilation is absurd. Islam comes
    ONLY to: Conquer, Submit, Convert, or KIll.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 4:09 pm

      But idea of feigned assimilation is precious in Islam; for it’s the only strategy in their blueprint capable of giving them hope of conquering “Rome” (i.e., the West). Stealth Jihad by itself, however, won’t do the trick; it needs to work in tandem — in hidden tandem, of course (else it wouldn’t be “stealth”, now would it?) — with paramilitary violence of various forms (which can range all over the map from antisocial behavior, up to mere criminality, both of which fools most in the West into thinking it’s not part of a hot war against us or (more incoherently) that it is part of a hot war against us but should not be treated as such because supposedly our constitutions prohibit us from protecting our societies from imminent threat of destruction and death; on up to Islamic violence such as honor killings and apostate lynchings; further on up to civil unrest (violent demonstrations, riots); further on up to terror attacks proper (which themselves have variety, from a commando mission against one prominent individual (e.g., a Theo Van Gogh, whose assassination, by the way, was part of a larger plot to assassinate others, including Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the Jewish mayor of Amsterdam) to classic terror attacks like 911, the London Tube bombing, Madrid, Bali; to commando attacks like Khartoum, Mumbai, Nairobi; etc. This whole rich tapestry of paramilitary violence that forms half of the Hot Jihad against us (the other half being Stealth, for my forgetful readers who forgot what I said a few lines above) is being pursued mainly because Mohammedans feel they are unable to wage frank warfare against the Franks (i.e., us).

      • No Fear says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 7:05 pm

        Yep.

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 31, 2014 at 9:56 pm

        Very true.

    • RAY says

      Aug 31, 2014 at 4:55 am

      Agreed. Islam can only survive on blood

  6. John Zap says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 10:46 am

    So to use her exact train of thought, to end the appeal of heroin to addicts, Europe must embrace heroin.
    Or,
    To end the appeal of rape to sex predators, Europe must embrace rape
    Or, the end the appeal of human trafficking to dealers, Europe must embrace human trafficking.
    We can go on and on……………..

    • Terry says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 12:54 pm

      excellent

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 3:31 pm

      Spot on.

      • paddy says

        Aug 31, 2014 at 12:01 pm

        I couldn’t have put it better….well maybe…but an excellent analogy.

  7. jewdog says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Once again we see an effort to blame Western (or white) racism for every ill in the world. Thus, if only the white European racists would make Kumbaya with these Third World Muslims, then there would be no problems. It never occurs to these latter day witch hunters that the people they see as victims of racism and bigotry could actually be themselves bigots, racists – or religious supremacists, and that they derive those toxic prejudices from their own religious texts and fascistic Third World hellholes. Oh well, consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, as Emerson put it.

    • John C. Barile says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 12:01 pm

      Yes. Barack Obama consistently follows this line; and look at his herculean efforts to Islamize the our institutions and our national narrative.

      • John C. Barile says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 12:03 pm

        (I made an editing mistake.)

  8. Boston Tea Party says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 11:07 am

    “Third, the collapse of all major ideologies in Europe — nationalism, Communism, and liberalism — has left room for new radical options. For some young Europeans, adherence to radical Islam provides a viable alternative ideology, comparable to that of radical leftist groups in the 1970s.

    These factors reveal a lack of true integration of Muslims….”

    **

    Integration of Muslims into what? She admits that the main ideologies of Europe have collapsed (although she neglected to mention Christianity), and then she says we need to integrate Muslims more fully. In other words, the fact that we don’t believe in anything anymore is a problem, but if we make Muslims more comfortable, maybe they’ll join us in not believing in anything. Again, she, like so many westerners, can’t grasp the idea that Muslims understand both Islam and the modern west, and they prefer Islam. And like so many leftists, the idea that the Islamic world should make efforts to conform to the values of the liberal west doesn’t even cross her mind—-it’s just a given that the West needs to accommodate Islam—that we’re the ones who have to compromise our worthless western culture and traditions before holy , noble Islam.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      ”

      Integration of Muslims into what? She admits that the main ideologies of Europe have collapsed (although she neglected to mention Christianity), and then she says we need to integrate Muslims more fully. In other words, the fact that we don’t believe in anything anymore is a problem, but if we make Muslims more comfortable, maybe they’ll join us in not believing in anything.”

      Excellent.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 4:15 pm

      Boston Tea Party wrote:

      Integration of Muslims into what? She admits that the main ideologies of Europe have collapsed (although she neglected to mention Christianity), and then she says we need to integrate Muslims more fully. In other words, the fact that we don’t believe in anything anymore is a problem, but if we make Muslims more comfortable, maybe they’ll join us in not believing in anything…
      ………………………………….

      Very important point, Boston Tea Party.

      Of course, what generally happens when a group that passionately believes in something—*anything*—comes up against a group that holds no strong convictions on much of anything?

      I think it’s clear that the only “integration” apt to go on under such a scenario is of *Europeans to Islam*.

      And what would such an “integration” look like? We are getting a pretty good view of that in the new Islamic State: sex slavery and genocide…

      It would take a slightly slower form in Europe due to demographics and logistics—the infidel population of the “Caliphate” has been dhimmified, brutalized, and much reduced *for centuries*—but the savage end result will be the same if we take this “advice”.

      And the greatest insanity of all? The West, despite its lapses and shortcomings, has created overall the greatest and freest society in all of human history.

      What does it say that so many in the West—just like this useful idiot—believe that we have nothing to fight for?

      And while no analogy is perfectly apt, the best parallel I can find is of the last days of the Roman Empire, where all too many of her citizens were seized with a nihilistic ennui in the face of barbarian incursions.

      The collapse and dismembering of Roman society led to the Dark Ages—and one of the most notable creeds that arose from that Dark Age was, of course, Islam itself…

      Don’t let history repeat itself!

      • Boston Tea Party says

        Aug 31, 2014 at 12:02 pm

        “Of course, what generally happens when a group that passionately believes in something—*anything*—comes up against a group that holds no strong convictions on much of anything?”

        You’ve perfectly summed up the conflict between Islam and most of the west in one sentence. The reason the west is losing ground is not because of the triumph and success of Islamic culture—Islam is a failed system by almost any objective measure of human standards. The problem is that so many in the west no longer believe in the existence of objective standards.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 31, 2014 at 2:11 pm

          I have to add, however, that I think it’s going too far to say that the currently modern West lacks belief in anything in some total sense. There still is belief and conviction in all manner of important things; it just happens to be misplaced somewhere — perhaps it fell behind the chaise lounge… now where did I put my moral conviction and civilizational responsibility…? Honey, have you seen it…? Honey….!??? Oh damn, it’s my phone — wow a call, a text and an email all at the same time…! Yes, Honey, okay, I’ll be right there… Did you get the kids off to school yet…!? Your parents are coming WHEN…!!!??? Damn, gotta check that email… Oh well, I’ll look around again for my moral conviction and civilizational responsibility when I can squeeze in a minute later on this week…

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 31, 2014 at 10:12 pm

          Boston Tea Party and Voegelinian, I have no doubt that the West is capable of reaffirming her values.

          We’ve done it before, most notably when we—*finally*—got serious about standing up to Fascism, after dithering for the better part of a decade.

          But this is never automatic—and apathy and nihilism, as well as abject fear, can bog down otherwise decent people.

          I believe Yeats’ lines from his great poem The Second Coming still apply:

          “The best lack all conviction, while the worst
          “Are full of passionate intensity…”

          Written almost a hundred years ago, and still all too apt.

  9. Scott Allen says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 11:08 am

    Amazing how a Harvard Professor could be so dumb. The only thing I can think of is that these people get watered down Koran’s, or don’t even bother to read them themselves. I bought mine from a very popular Islamic bookstore and I specifically asked for a translation in English that was as close to the original Arabic. And wow…..practically every page talks about what pieces of crap unbelievers are and how we should be killed. I have no idea how someone could read this book and not understand what’s going on around the world with these crazy Muslims.

    Or maybe that’s it…they don’t actually read the book.

    • Brian Hoff says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 11:57 am

      You didnot read the Koran at all. Those parts of the koran you talk about are only than small part of the Koran. Churchill was than racist bigot.

      • John C. Barile says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 12:09 pm

        Do explain it all to us, Defender of Islam.

      • Scott Allen says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 12:28 pm

        Please Brian…Give me a break. I love the part about what Allah is going to do with the unbelievers (me). He’s going to roast us in the fire until our skins are burned through. And then he’s going to keep replacing our skins so we can feel the pain again…and again.

        Brian, why in the world could ANYONE ever pledge any allegiance to a God as brutal and horrible as Allah if he would do such a horrible thing to someone who’s only crime is not believing in Allah. Really? A Muslim child molester will get better treatment than me?

        Just that one phrase is enough to realize what a horrible ideology Islam is.

      • Western Canadian says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 1:49 pm

        “You didnot read the Koran at all.”

        This, coming from a lout who can’t actually read at all….

      • Elliott says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 3:33 pm

        Dear Brian Poof – please allow me a bit of poetic license with your name, just as you mangle English. In the same way that you say we don’t understand islam’s holy book, you are close to clueless about English. We’ll do our homework, IF YOU’LL DO YOURS. Try “Google Translate” for our sake (if not for yours). Shavua Tov!!

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 4:27 pm

        The Esdrujula Explanation of Stupidity doesn’t really work; for there have been quite a few Western scholars of Islam and directly related fields who, for all that, still think in terms of the PC MC framework. The problem of Western myopia is thus something much more complicated, unfortunately; however much it may comfort us to dismiss it as the result merely either one or more of the Esdrujula Elves; or of some dastardly conspiracy by evil Elites among us (which I suppose is only natural, as humans tend to want a thorny problem to have an easy solution, not a difficult one).

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 30, 2014 at 4:30 pm

          P.S.:

          The Western scholars of which I speak cannot possibly be charged with “not reading the Koran” — not only have they read the Koran, they’ve read it in the original Arabic, along with much of the hadiths, the siras, the tafsirs (not to mention copious secondary studies).

          The Esdrujula Explanation:

          http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-esdrujula-explanation.html

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 4:30 pm

        “Brian Hoff”—really, “DefenderofIslam”—wrote, replying to Scott Allen:

        You didnot(sic) read the Koran at all. Those parts of the koran you talk about are only than (sic) small part of the Koran.
        ……………………………….

        What crap. I’ve read numerous translations of the Qur’an—which are all substantially the same, save for tiny differences in phrasing—and well over 80% of that vile text is oppression and violence.

        And notice that not even the meretricious “DefenderofIslam” can deny that this is a core part of the Qur’an.

        More:

        Churchill was than (sic) racist bigot.
        ……………………………….

        Um…Scott didn’t actually mention Churchill at all. This seems to be some sort of reflex with “DefenderofIslam”—if anyone dares criticize the savagery of Islam, call Winston Churchill a “racist bigot”.

        Let’s see—what “race” is Islam, again?

        This seems especially odd, since “Brian” has always identified himself as a “revert”—meaning that his ancestors, whatever race they might be, were not Muslims at all.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 4:43 pm

        We know exactly what is in the Koran, stupid savage. Now off you go to Pakistan.

      • No Fear says

        Aug 31, 2014 at 6:32 am

        I have three Qurans (Dawood,Khalidi,Pickthall).
        Which one would you like to discuss?

        The Quran is a centre of pestilence that will erase all diversity and creative thought from wherever it is read by humans.

        Mohammed was the racist bigot , not Churchill.
        Islam is Arab religious imperialism.
        The shahadah is spoken in ARABIC!

    • ebonystone says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 1:52 pm

      “Amazing how a Harvard Professor could be so dumb.”

      Not so amazing. Harvard is full of dumb professors — for example, Squaw Warren and Obama’s buddy, Henry Gates.

    • kikorikid says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 7:18 pm

      There are great hosts of illiterate Muslims who cannot read the Quran.
      No worry, That is the Imams job. The Imam, in his Mosque, gives the
      call to Jihad. ALL Mosques are sanctuary for Jihadis.

    • kikorikid says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 7:18 pm

      There are great hosts of illiterate Muslims who cannot read the Quran.
      No worry, That is the Imams job. The Imam, in his Mosque, gives the
      call to Jihad. ALL Mosques are sanctuary for Jihadis.

  10. alyn21 says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 11:10 am

    So if Europe must embrace Islam to keep the muslims happy then let Jocelyn embrace it first and show us the way. Lets see how she looks in a burkha LOL!!!
    As Bugs Bunny would say ” What A Maroon” !!

    • allan carr bryan says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 11:26 am

      And her clitoris cut off, not being allowed out without a male escort, not being able to drive, not to speak in the presence of males, no alcohol, sitting in the back when in a Mosque….shall I go on senseless BITCH, which Planet is she from? We, in Europe have tried to let these ass wipes into our society, and what have they done in return NOTHING, but increases in crime, rapes, murder, demands for everything but what is good for the Country who initially gave them hope of a better life. Rant over.

      • Myxlplik says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 11:39 am

        Hum, I think you’ve given her too lofty a position within the Islamic order. I think clearly her value as a 25 dollar sex slave far exceeds anything else she has to offer the Muslims.

        • ebonystone says

          Aug 30, 2014 at 1:57 pm

          In an Islamic country, her future would be a series of 30-minute “marriages”.

  11. pongidae rex says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 11:46 am

    ‘Islamic studies’ in academia, even in prestigious Western institutions, has degenerated into magical thinking carried to the extreme. These people are canaries singing for their supper and no longer have any credibility as independent thinkers. I don’t care how many PhDs they have or from where.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 11:49 am

      Educated izlamowh0res!

  12. EYESOPEN says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 11:47 am

    All I can say w/regard to this air-headed bimbo is that it is a complete and utter travesty that ANYONE would be forced to sit and suffer through any of her classes as she imparts bovine excrement with abandon. And let one individual who is knowledgeable attempt to refute or challenge her spurious conclusions in any way and I’m sure their GPA would tank by about 3 full points.

    Ah, how I would love to be able to “audit” one of her classes if only for the opportunity to tell her just how full of scheisse she is!

  13. Boston Tea Party says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    I’ve posted this before, but I think it’s one of G.K. Chesterton’s greatest quotes, and it certainly applies this piece:

    “Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously.”

    • thomas_h says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 1:03 pm

      And here is another quote of this immensely quotable man:

      “Evil always wins through the strength of its splendid dupes; and there has in all ages been a disastrous alliance between abnormal innocence and abnormal sin.”

      G.K. Chesterton

      • Boston Tea Party says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 1:14 pm

        Wow, hadn’t come across that one, thomas_h. He was a true genius.

        • thomas_h says

          Aug 30, 2014 at 4:10 pm

          Oh yes, Boston TP. He absolutely was a giant. Very few understood, and even less understand now, history, human condition, Christianity and the uniqueness of the West’s nature as acutely as he did.

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 5:08 pm

        Thomas H, that quote from GK Chesterton is particularly brilliant.

        Alas, even such a great man as himself had his lapses of understanding, especially of a creed whose threat seemed at a low ebb in the Victorian period.

        While he had great, insightful pieces like his “The Flying Inn”, which from exactly a hundred years ago almost clairvoyantly envisioned an Islamized Britain, and he also saw a similarity between Islam and Bolshevism, he also had a certain amount of respect for the creed as having many “values and virtues” in it.

        To be fair, were he around today, I believe he would be clear-sighted enough to see Islam for the existential threat it really is.

        Here are some of his quotes on Islam:

        http://www.chesterton.org/quotations-of-g-k-chesterton/#Islam

        And you can search through his quotations in general here:

        http://www.chesterton.org/quotations-of-g-k-chesterton/

        • thomas_h says

          Aug 30, 2014 at 7:53 pm

          Graven, thank you for the links – what wit, elegance and what an amazing precision.

          Yes it is true that in one paragraph he goes:
          “I am fully conscious of many values and virtues in it (Islam). but certainly it was Islam that was the invasion and Christendom that was the thing invaded.”

          But I think in view of the declaration preceding that paragraph where he admits: “I do not know much about Mohammed or Mohammedanism. I do not take the Koran to bed with me every night”, it is fair to look at the “many values and virtues” as something like a polite throat-cleaning formula a cultured Westerner would employ when talking about alien, exotic, but what’s important, non threatening religion, or civilization. And, as I understand it, at that time Islam looked to many to be on its way out of history. With some exceptions though, most notably of Hilaire Belloc whose appreciation of the enormous spiritual energy of mohammedanism vis a vis the dwindling one of the West made him consider the realism of their clash in the future. You will find such “musings” in his “The Great Heresies”. It seems Chesterton didn’t consider such development too seriously. But, as said, few did. Incidentally, Belloc and Chesterton were close friends.

          ”To be fair, were he around today, I believe he would be clear-sighted enough to see Islam for the existential threat it really is.”

          I have not a slightest doubt about it. Armed with great intellectual courage, clarity of vision, wonderful engaging eloquence, Chesterton would be a truly heavy cannon in our camp. On the other hand he lived long before the PC reached its paradigmatic dimension and telling the truth wasn’t directly connected with danger to one’s life. Oh, the joys of progress…

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 31, 2014 at 10:21 pm

          Agreed, Thomas.

      • gerard says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 9:02 pm

        G K Chesterton carried a gun, a sword stick and a knife. Mostly as part of his sense of humour, I think. During a debate he would take out the knife and sharpen his pencil, much to the amusement of the audience. When asked about the sword he said he like things that came to a point. If he ever heard anyone saying that life is not worth living, he would take out the gun and offer to shoot them!

        • thomas_h says

          Aug 31, 2014 at 7:13 am

          Very, very funny, Gerard.

          I know the fellow had a great sense of humour as evidenced by by his writing regardless of the topic they deal with, but that he would show up for a debate armed with gun-sword-knife is news to me. Great man.

          Ah, where are all these Catholics gone?

  14. Norman Feld says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Why does Islam have to be included at all? Why does any country not stop immigration of Muslims?

  15. tpellow says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Ms Cesari is a useful idiot for Islamic interests.

    She can be regarded as an enemy of hundreds of millions of non-Muslims in Europe, and beyond.

    • No Fear says

      Aug 31, 2014 at 6:36 am

      By encouraging people to “embrace” the madman Mohammed’s writings, she has declared herself to be my political enemy.

  16. Anushirvan says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    “Prof: To end appeal of Islamic State to Muslims, Europe must embrace Islam.”

    Be my guest, Cesari. By all means, why don’t you convert ? Set an example !

    Oh, I forgot ! There’s no real need for her to convert. She’s not being “discriminated” against, anyway. How very convenient !

    Effing BS peddling academics !

  17. IQ al Rassooli says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    Jocelyne Cesari has as much knowledge of Muhammad’s Quran as a pig’s knowledge of the science of personal hygiene.

    For the last 20 years I have read the incredibly stupid and uninformed conclusions about Islam among the so called ‘scholars of Islam’ among the most sought out universities such as Harvard, Berkeley, Columbia and others.

    She is only the tip of a ROTTEN ‘iceberg’ in academia that has been and continues to subvert and undermine our freedoms in the guise of ‘scholarly knowledge’

    It is no wonder why the American public in general has been so dumbed down that they cannot face up to the simplest facts in the Universe:

    1) ISLAM is the problem facing human civilization in the 21st century

    2) Just as there were NO ‘Moderate, Extremist, Radical or Militant’ NAZIS & or Communists, there are none such among Muslims

    3) What ISIS, Qaida, Boko Haram, Shabab, Nusra & hundreds more Muslim organizations are committing around the globe are and have been SANCTIONED by their demonic god Allah in Muhammad’s Quran

    4) ISIS is the final WAKE UP call to our leaders in the USA and EU that the enemies of our Judeo-Christian values are embedded within us and will most assuredly cause us very shortly enormous death and destruction

    5) When these acts of mass murder will occur, ALL those leaders amongst us who criminally neglected to protect us should be put on trial for aiding and abetting Mass Murder

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

    • JihadWatchJane says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 1:44 pm

      Thanks for your bravery in continuing to oppose the Islamist menace in the UK, IQ.

      As a Brit married to an Israeli, I’ve been disowned by my leftist academic family and friends back in the UK. Thank goodness we live in the US – but it’s only a matter of time before America is Islamized if we don’t stop the madness.

      As a former died-in-the-wool lefty myself, I believe we have to work harder to win the hearts and minds of the Left, because there are many well meaning intellectuals, like many of my former friends and family, who simply don’t understand what is going on. They are blind, but we must help them see, because we need to unite against this terrible threat.

      • IQ al Rassooli says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 6:55 pm

        Dear JihadWatchJane

        It is a real tragedy that there are so many leftist Jews in Academia, Media, Politics & Clergy who are completely disconnected from Facts & Reality or would rather be in denial of both

        Their intellectual attitude borders on the self destructive Criminal Negligence. This is the same Syndrome that the Jews of Germany suffered from before Hitler came to power: They were telling themselves “He does NOT mean what he says”!

        The current leftist Jews are saying the same thing regarding Hamas Charter & Islam!

        Only a few seconds before they are either Raped or Butchered by Muslims would they wake up!

        My mission is to enlighten as many of Ummat al Kuffar / Nation of Infidels (currently 80% of humanity who are NOT Muslims) regarding the greatest threat to human civilization in the 21st century: Muhammadan Islam with or without Weapons of Mass Destruction

        Sincerely

        IQ al Rassooli
        Kafir & Proud!

        • gerard says

          Aug 30, 2014 at 9:11 pm

          A Holocaust survivor was asked what one lesson she would like others to grasp. She replied: “If a group of people persistently tell you they intend to kill you, believe them!”

      • paddy says

        Aug 31, 2014 at 5:13 pm

        I’m a lefty Brit and I try to explain the muslim menace to family/friends but they either disagree, refuse to see it or simply don’t care. In not too many years the situation WILL erupt here and in Europe.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 4:54 pm

      Re your #5, I used to look rhetorically forward to the hopeful day in the (hopefully not too distant) future when the West will have a Great Awakening
      out of its Rip Van Winkle nap, at which point it will begin to
      manage the problem of Islam rationally; and in the wake of that great awakening, will convene a “Nuremberg II”. Diana West’s searingly sobering reassessment of the mainstream hagiohistoriography promulgated by “court historians” in the West of the original Nuremberg, however, has made such a metaphor distasteful to me. But still, had that epochal series of trials been conducted in fidelity to its principles, rather than proceeding in a sordid corruption of them (as West credibly maintains with meticulously and solidly referenced argumentation), the gist is still there.

      Or better yet, and deliciously incorrect: an “Inquisition II”.

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      • gravenimage says

        Aug 31, 2014 at 10:39 pm

        Voegelinian, if the West *does* wake up to the Jihad threat—and I hope to God it does—I wouldn’t count on there being any sort of reckoning for useful idiots and dhimmi enablers.

        I believe that the salient lesson of WWII in that regard will not be the Nuremberg Trials, but rather the bogus concept of the “premature antifascist”.

        What I mean is that johnny-come-latelys to the Counter Jihad will either pretend that they were *always* Anti-Jihad, or else that we were hysterical to be so until… (whatever—fill in the blank. Perhaps a second 9/11, perhaps the growing threat of the Caliphate—whatever it is that finally wakes a large enough number of people up).

        Personally, I’m willing to live with that. My main focus is for the West to oppose Jihad.

        Sure, a “gee, you guys were right and were fighting the good fight years before we got a clue” would be lovely—but I know enough about history to know it probably won’t ever happen.

        Two things will make it enough for me: that our fellow Westerners finally take a stand against Jihad and give us a fighting chance, and that *we* will know that we had a hand in that happening—even if most people forget it, ignore it, or never learn it.

        I salute those who stood against slavery, against Fascism, against Communism—and against Jihad. Especially those who did so long before it was ‘fashionable’.

  18. Wellington says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    In other words, according to this academic fool, it’s not Islam’s fault again. Ah, it’s never Islam’s fault, now is it?

  19. WVinMN says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    Think about this for a moment…

    This filthy b___h amounts to nothing less than the josef goebbels of the islamic world, while simultaneously working as part of a de facto 5th column in the West. An intellectual light weight, she would fail miserably at any serious academic discipline, and likely owes her position mainly to what she sports between her legs. Have to maintain a diverse work place, excepting ideology and common sense, of course. All this, and she pulls down a hefty 6-figure salary to boot. Not a bad gig if you can get it. No soul required.

  20. Thomas Wells says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Embrace here with a huge slab of bacon.

  21. abad says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    This is precisely why Muslims are so much better off in nations like Iraq and Saudi Arabia instead of Europe and the USA. Muslims have zero business being in Europe and the USA.

  22. RonaldB says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    I listened carefully as Jocelyne Cesari talked about her ideas for an hour on a video interview:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdMe4J0pczo

    First of all, the interview was in 2008, but she has not changed her ideas an iota in 2014.

    1) Salafist Islam is preeminent in Muslim discourse in the US because Muslims are not given a place in public discourse, except in a very narrow sense.

    2) It is necessary for the West to discourage any sense or feeling that Muslims as Muslims are dangerous or different, so they feel comfortable in taking part in society as Muslims and, I suppose, so they will decide not to be dangerous or different.

    This “eminent” professor has 8 books listed on Amazon (count them) and NOT ONE review or comment on any of them. How can a major authority (is she?) on Islam in the West not have one comment on any of her books?

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Jocelyne%20Cesari

    If you judge by the content of her interview, her presentation is as bland and general as her material. I guess there is a pervasive assumption that Muslims are like any other people, with a bad rap because of the bad apples, but she never raises this to an actual assertion. In fact, I get the impression that academic study in this field is typified by bland generalizations. I think she’s somewhat in the situation of the reporters in Gaza, who know that if they report the truth, they’ll be shipped out immediately and their livelihood threatened. So, their object becomes to create stories that can be printed, do not offend the Hamas terrorists to the point of action, and perhaps to not be caught in a blatant lie.

    She does talk about Western Muslims who are trying to reinterpret Koranic verses to support more Western concepts. For example, she makes, or seems to make, an argument that although the Koran recognizes a biological difference between men and women, it does’t make an actual judgment on whether a woman can participate in such things as managing a business, if she chooses to.

    She would be harmless if she applied her methodology of study and analysis on, say, the Amish, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Haredim, or even Christian Scientists, none of whom are particularly dangerous or destructive. But, her underlying assumptions that Muslims in America are just another group, and that the solution to their isolation is to make Herculean efforts to integrate them and their ideas into the public mainstream, is dangerous. As a senior researcher at Berkeley and Harvard, she is responsible for training “experts” in Islam in the West. These “experts” are trained to explore the nuances of differences that Muslims in the West are allowed to show. They are also being trained to think that any public rejection of Islam, Islamic culture, or Muslims contributes to the problem of Muslim isolation.

    She doesn’t examine at all the idea that if we don’t discriminate against Muslims in immigration, and don’t vigorously criticize their ideas and religion, that soon Islamic practices will hobble Western freedoms, and even such mild “creativity” will no longer be tolerated.

    I have a relative also in academia. Two samples are far too few for a valid generalization, but both my relative and Cesari represent an approach that is free from any real criticism, discussion, or consideration of uncomfortable ideas. This is the same way they deal with Robert Spencer’s very informed expositions on Islam: they simply ignore it because it’s not part of their world. They use the authority of their position with students, or with colleagues, to shut down any real ideas.

    The result is, there are NO testable ideas. Everything is reduced to narratives and opinion polls. Go back and read her article. See if there’s any real idea, even a wrong idea, that you can put your finger on. In a sense, Robert has done her a favor by associating some passion into her otherwise bland, vanilla, politically-correct article.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      “First of all, the interview was in 2008, but she has not changed her ideas an iota in 2014. ”

      Well of course; her PC MC template does all her thinking for her, and works like an efficient machine in converting new (not to mention alarming and paradigm-challenging) data into the old data that fits the PC MC paradigm — even if a pesky bumps, corners, jagged edges, limbs and heads have to be lopped off in order to force them back into the Box she can’t think outside of (grammar nazis, please don’t chop off my dangling participle…).

      • quotha raven says

        Sep 1, 2014 at 9:01 am

        Oh, my goodness, Voegelinian – Guard your dangling participles with your life! Yes. Gird them up like a man, for all to admire! I’m of the opinion that they inject style, challenge and originality to your compelling posts, and a refreshing sense of freedom from getting stuck in one of those mind-numbing boxes that lurk about, waiting to entrap a rebel thinker. Just play it cheerful and stupid around the grammar Nazis and they won’t interfere with your precious dangling participle. Keep up the good work.

        I read them always with interest and mostly I find myself

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 5:54 pm

      She doesn’t examine at all the idea that if we don’t discriminate against Muslims in immigration, and don’t vigorously criticize their ideas and religion, that soon Islamic practices will hobble Western freedoms, and even such mild “creativity” will no longer be tolerated.

      RonaldB reveals tellingly something I think is rather common the Counter-Jihad: the belief that the main problem with Muslims and their Islam is of a creeping increase in Islamization of the West — thus, that “soon Islamic practices will hobble Western freedoms, and even such mild “creativity” will no longer be tolerated” — rather than the far more exigent emergency of horrific terror attacks being planned as we speak by networks of Islamic cells as the spearhead of one half of the Hot Jihad against us (simply reviving in earnest their perennial jihad against “Rome”) — the other half being Stealth Jihad — exploiting our general Western gullibility that assumes that most Muslims are harmless and so has allowed them prevalent access (both civilian access and professional access by hiring them for various positions including managerial) to all institutions, nooks and crannies of our societies — from schools, colleges, law offices, police departments, fire departments, businesses, hospitals, clinics, shopping malls, arts & entertainment venues, communications and transportations facilities, on up to power plants, water reservoirs, and nuclear power plants.

      • Myxlplik says

        Aug 31, 2014 at 12:29 am

        I watched the whole video too. I think what she didn’t actually synthesize into her analysis is the fact that in the western world there is this whole fresh society to bring under the Islamic yolk, that immigration is invasion under the pretext to spread that which Allah prescribes upon all Muslims, which is Muslims to fight, die, cheat, lie, kill and cheat, to instal His law upon the land and that all those who resist are to be subjugated, killed or converted.

        This BS about Sharia being about family law as a stepping stone to integrating Muslims into our society as inclusionary dialogue has been proven to be hogwash pragmatically in both Europe and the US. It’s a dream, or as Qutb put it, not a stepping stone, but a Milestone.

        The only way foreword with Muslims is our way or the highway, and I’m inclined to believe the risk is too high regarding the integration of a society which is undergoing its medieval “dark age”. Her words.

        No to Sharia, no to Muslims, the behavior of their prophet is a fact beyond question or integration.

        If by some miracle they reform, let them do it and pay for it in their own blood not ours, it isn’t worth it for us to pay the price… It’s way to high already.

        Let them stew in their own shit isolated for a few more centuries. We didn’t create this problem, so it isn’t ours to sort out, other than a sort of quarantine.

  23. gravenimage says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Prof: To end appeal of Islamic State to Muslims, Europe must embrace Islam
    ………………………………

    The ‘conclusions’ reached by this dhimmi tool, are—probably unsurprisingly—identical to those reached by supremacist Muslims themselves: if Europe wants to stop having problems with the barbarity of Islam, then it must…embrace Islam.

    Not surprisingly, this is the *exact* same conclusion reached by supremacist Muslims themselves.

    Just yesterday, the vicious Muslim troll “squeeze the juice” (squeeze the Jews) said that if we wanted Muslims to stop targeting English children for sexual grooming, that Infidels much embrace Islamic “values”.

    Now, apparently, the West must not just stop “ghettoizing” Muslims (never mind that supremacist Muslims are doing this *themselves*), but stop “ghettoizing” Islam itself.

    I suppose they should stop “ghettoizing” Fascism, as well…

    Victory through surrender, as SAKOVKT notes…

  24. Jade says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    Or better yet, every last Muslim man, woman and child can get the hell out of the U.S., Canada, Western Europe, Australia etc and go back to their hell hole of origin. We owe know them nothing and they will never be able to assimilate into civilized society. Islam and all who follow it are pure evil.

  25. el-cid says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    “The first is the powerful presence of the Salafi version of Islam in the religious market of ideas.”

    Well this is the start of something. On this basis, outside funding of mosques and outside Imans should be banned. We can work with this idea.

    Her denial of Christianity or Judaism as legitimate European ideologies is troubling because that is the vacuum filled by Islam. If Christianity is not legitimate, then by the same “logic” neither is Islam. Period.

    By the omission of Christianity as an ideology, she is telling us that Islam is a political movement, not a religious one. Is that too subtle a point? In other words, if this is what the academics think, we are near to the goal of open discourse on the “problem”.

    This “stooge” is also useful to us. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

    • PJG says

      Aug 31, 2014 at 7:59 am

      “If Christianity is not legitimate, then by the same “logic” neither is Islam. ”

      Exactly. Yet I have noticed (I guess we all have here) that those who spend so much time sneering at Christianity are happy to make plenty of room for Islam. And oh boy, do Muslims sure notice it too!

  26. voegelinian says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    “She does mention “the powerful presence of the Salafi version of Islam in the religious market of ideas,” but makes no effort to explain why its presence is powerful, and ends up apparently ascribing that power to the discrimination that Muslims supposedly face in Europe.”

    Of course: it’s the PC MC two-step maneuver:

    1) First, deny that “extremism” is rampant among Muslims generally and that thus there is no problem of the systemic prevalence of “extremism” among Muslims generally that would, at the very least, indicate the exigent need for a conversation about whether the prevailing paradigm does not need serious reappraisal, with the conversation including voices outside the mainstream (such as Robert Spencer).

    2) When backed against a corner by parts of the mountain of evidence indicating that #1 is specious, admit that “extremism” (or any of its fashionable terms — “Wahhabism” was the former fashion, lately it’s been “Salafism”) does present a prevalence — indeed, a growing prevalence — that goes beyond the comfortable confines of the prevailing paradigm — BUT! That growing prevalence is not the fault of Islam nor even of Muslims; it’s somehow our fault! Our “xenophobic” “racism”, our foreign policy, whatever — those are the causes.

    • RonaldB says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 4:20 pm

      Vogelinian,

      I think you’re on the right track.

      One of the problems with social policy academia that has been captured by the multiculturalists, is that they confine themselves to descriptive statistics and opinion polls, and don’t make any statements that can actually be tested.

      For example, take the assertion that Muslims become more radical because the criticism of Westerners alienates them from trying to integrate into society.

      Maybe we can test that. According to that hypothesis, the less public criticism of Islam in a country, or state, the more moderate and integrated the Muslim community will become.

      So, it would be a good academic exercise, and certainly a worthwhile study, to measure the amount of public criticism of Islam, Muslims and its effects. Then, take opinion polls, the attendance at “radical” mosques, any measure of integration or acceptance of Western, liberal ideas. Then, do a correlation using the figures from the many Western countries with significant Muslim populations: US, Canada, Caribbean islands, France, Sweden, Denmark, etc.

      That would be a real test of the hypothesis. It would also put the academic career of the researcher at serious risk. That’s why you’ll continue to see the bland books, articles, interviews and op-ed pieces from people like Jocelyne Cesari.

      By the way, in my opinion, the graduates of US Universities in technical or real scientific fields are second to none in the world. Also, the business graduates are highly competent, although the business schools are very susceptible to spillover from the wasteland of social theory and public policy that Jocelyne Cesari inhabits.

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 30, 2014 at 5:59 pm

        The problem of such testing, however, is that Muslims routinely indulge in taqiyya by explicitly linking their radicalizable grievances to supposed Western “racism” and related “mistreatment” of Muslims. I.e., their taqiyya would probably serious compromise any testing you suggest.

  27. SpiritOf1683 says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    Cicero pegged the damaging influence of these types so succinctly:

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

    People like her ARE rotting the soul of the nation.

    As did Winston Churchill back in 1933. He could have been talking about any Western nation in this speech:

    “Historians have noticed, all down the centuries, one peculiarity of the English people, which has cost them dear. We have always thrown away after a victory the greater part of the advantages we had gained in the struggle. The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage earners; they come from a peculiar type of brainy people, always found in our country, who, if they add something to its culture, take much from its strength. Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement, into which we have been cast, by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large proportion of our politicians. But what have they to offer, but a vague internationalism, a squalid materialism, and the promise of impossible utopias? Nothing can save England if she will not save herself. If we lose faith in ourselves, in our capacity to guide and govern, if we lose our will to live, then indeed our story is told.” – Winston Churchill, 1933

  28. Larry S says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    It means that geopolitical issues like the “war on terror” should be disconnected as much as possible from Islam and its adherents and their practices.

    Just one problem with this concept. While I realize it’s not 100%, the following proposition probably is at least 90% true:

    No Moslems, no terror.

  29. David Wood says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    That’s precisely the position Muhammad commanded his followers to put non-Muslims in:

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 5:50 pm

      Thanks for the posting—more clear-eyed sanity from the inimitable David Wood.

    • No Fear says

      Aug 30, 2014 at 7:01 pm

      Another David Wood gem.

  30. gravenimage says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 5:40 pm

    More from the clueless—or complicit—Jocelyne Cesari:

    “Why the West Fears Islam
    An Exploration of Muslims in Liberal Democracies”

    This is part of the bland description:

    “It provides original insights into the ways Muslims act as believers and citizens and into the specifics of western liberalism and secularism, particularly after 9/11, and how the specific constraints of Islam in secular spaces trigger a western politics of fear.”

    http://www.palgrave.com/page/detail/why-the-west-fears-islam-jocelyne-cesari/?K=9781403969804

    Not, of course, that Jihad terrorism might engender any sort of of *legitimate* fear and antipathy, of course…sarc/off

    And here’s a book of hers that came out just a few months ago:

    “The Awakening of Muslim Democracy: Religion, Modernity, and the State”

    Remember, this was after the Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Egypt, after the horrific “civil war” in Syria, and even after the declaration of the sanguinary new “Caliphate”—so it doesn’t even have the vague defense of coming out in the immediate wake of the “Arab Spring”, when even a lot of relatively intelligent Westerners hoped to see a rise of genuine democracy in the Muslim world.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Awakening-Muslim-Democracy-Modernity/dp/1107664829#

    Here’s an excerpt from one of the witless reviews:

    “she shows how and why democracy – if it emerges – is often likely to take some unfamiliar forms in political systems in which political Islam is deeply entrenched.”

    I believe we are seeing some of those “unfamiliar forms” in the Islamic State: sex slavery and genocide. This is not democracy, of course, but it *is* orthodox Shari’ah law.

  31. R Cole says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Jocelyne Cesari and Tariq Ramadan must have sat down together to drink sweet tea and chew some of that Khat. She’s parroting the same sort of thing Ramadan proposed – rejected by several EU countries [Netherlands included]. It’s all the west’s fault….. The west must adopt Islamic practise and norms or face the consequences….

    These Saudi sponsored professors and spokespeople take a supremacist view – by proxy. John Esposito was one of the main proponents of the word ‘ignorant’ in reference to Islam’s detractors – targeting the individual’s person – knowing full well that ‘ignorance’ in Islam is a term used to denote anyone who has not accepted Islam – i.e. anyone who is not a Muslim.

    Shameless – they take money from the most religious repressive place on earth – second only to North Korea [no doubt they are working on bringing that blue ribbon home to Arabia] — have the gall to tell us what we need to be doing in relation to this deeply flawed Arabian religion.

    Like the Swiss said – Or what?? [Worried about minarets – at least they can build a mosque and worship in it]

    :: Before the Arab Spring – we were pretty much being assured that this Sharia option was the best way for Europe – that portions should be integrated into western law – [carried mostly by the Left] – then almost as a blessing – we saw it exposed and smashed to bits – as Islamic nations fell like dominoes under the weight of its oppressive rule — looks like she’s trying to wheel out this dead sharia-4-EU horse again.

    It has been more than 1000 years and this Shari’a law system has utterly failed Muslims – it encourages tyranny over one’s neighbor – and between the state and its people. Freedom of thought and enlightenment would be its greatest enemies – naturally.

    :: :: ::
    :: ::

    [Develop some electric car/automotive technologies then we will need to fund our universities in other ways.]
    [One notable study at Georgetown U found that men who visit Mecca treat women better – nevermind that it’s in Arabia!!]
    The whole thing is about the promotion of Islam in the west.

  32. tpellow says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    “Forced to watch crucifixions, stonings and beheadings and taught to fire machine guns as big as they are: How Islamic State training camps for children are swelling its ranks with junior jihadis”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738469/Forced-watch-crucifixions-stonings-beheadings-taught-fire-machine-guns-big-How-Islamic-State-training-camps-children-swelling-ranks-junior-jihadis.html#ixzz3BuqmZsN2

  33. No Fear says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    I can’t believe what I just read in her NYT article.

    Where are my anti nausea pills.

  34. gerard says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    “geopolitical issues like the “war on terror” should be disconnected as much as possible from Islam and its adherents and their practices.”
    Sure! When Muslims stop killing for Allah! (ie When Hell freezes over!)

  35. Bill Levinson says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    Why doesn’t she argue that, in the late 1930s, Europe should have embraced Nazism? Then she should put on a burqa to show us how to embrace Islam.

    I know about Georgetown, too. It’s been bought by a Saudi oil pig named Al-Waleed bin Talal. http://acmcu.georgetown.edu/
    Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding

    The understanding is that there are no Christians in Saudi Arabia, and it is illegal to have a cross or a Bible there.

  36. Jay Boo says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    Related issue

    (No god but Allah but Islam is peace) under the banner of a multi-cultural sales pitch ‘outreach’
    “The Dar al Islam Teachers’ Institutes have been held at our famous facilities in Abiquiu, New Mexico since 1994. We provide and discuss available resources and tools to help the participants in teaching about Islam more effectively.”

    Institutes attendees include secondary school teachers from public, private and parochial institutions of North America.
    http://www.daralislam.org/programs/education/teachers-institutes.aspx

  37. Gary Mullennix says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    She and everyone forgets what Muslims pray 5 times a day, everyday without fail. “There is no God but Allah. That is it. And their appointed task isn’t to bring peace to a world where different people have a God or no God. That is not acceptable. They will not be woven into a diverse fabric. Islam is only a religion of peace when everyone in the universe accepts, worships and SUBMITS to Allah.

  38. Dave J says

    Aug 30, 2014 at 11:59 pm

    So apparently both our leading universities and our government have been taken over by the MC apologists who have the nerve to describe a criminal organization of psychopaths as a religion, moreover as “The Religion of Peace”.

    Oh sure, its obvious that there would be no connection between Islam and the ISLAMIC State. We should all just embrace Muslimism so they won’t feel alienated – what claptrap.

    Here is the deal: Now there is an Islamic State where all your rules and barbarity prevail – so GO THERE – no more “refugee” whining! It is your heart’s desire, an Allah-centric paradise, what are you waiting for?

    By the way, you’re fired from your lucrative indoctrination post.

    Submit to that.

  39. concerned says

    Aug 31, 2014 at 12:20 am

    Damn!

    How much money is Saudi Arabia pouring into Leftard coffers.

  40. sidney penny says

    Aug 31, 2014 at 1:01 am

    Super intro Robert.

    Especially the second paragraph.

    Title of your next book “Nothing to do with Islam”?

    This post should be part of it.

  41. sidney penny says

    Aug 31, 2014 at 1:25 am

    If you listen to establishment professors of Islam, the type that American universities have today you will end up like this:

    Muslim terrorists linked to ISIS pledge to destroy the largest Buddhist temple still standing in Indonesia.

    Destroying the last remnants of the Jahiliyya.

    http://world.einnews.com/article/220114565/9roVehhRc93GZt2x

    ISIS Threatens to Destroy World’s largest Buddhist Temple in Indonesia
    By Global Research News
    Global Research, August 24, 2014
    pangeatoday.comRegion: Asia
    Theme: 9/11 & ‘War on Terrorism’, Politics and Religion
    by Dyah Swastantika

    After releasing the video of the beheading of American photographer James Foley, the Islamic State terrorist group – formerly known as ISIS – has begun psychologically terrorizing Indonesia.

    The group has pledged to destroy the Borobudur Temple in the country’s Central Java Province, although its motive was not stated in detail.

    The 1,200-year-old Borobudur temple, which is home to hundreds of Buddhist statues, is the largest Buddhist temple in the world. Indonesia is home to the largest population of Muslims in the world.

    The threat was revealed through a post on the Facebook page “We Are the Islamic State,” which is believed to be the Islamic State’s official page.

    The army commander of Central Java, Major General Sunindyo, said that anyone in the country would feel awful if the threat was actually carried out and has asked all citizens to work together to prevent the IS’s plan from becoming a reality.

    Security forces have been tasked with keeping Borobudur safe. The community has also been “invited to take part in maintaining the temple,” according to Sunindyo.

  42. Jay Boo says

    Aug 31, 2014 at 3:05 am

    Artiewhitefox said
    “The KJV pure cambridge editor 1900 would be used.
    The world would suddenly become clothing optional.”

    Sorry but you must be referring to the NKJV
    I will give you 3 guesses what the ‘N’ stands for. (it rhymes with new)

  43. wolfgang says

    Aug 31, 2014 at 4:05 am

    Just to make everyone laugh…………………enjoy !

    Obama’s Escape from Planet Reality

  44. Kasey says

    Aug 31, 2014 at 8:30 am

    Her’s is just a grand exercise in denial!

  45. BC says

    Aug 31, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Two simple points
    A The populations of the West did not invite these people to live amongst us
    B They show by their behaviour that they consider infidels inferior and themselves always right, as the Quran proves them to be and what is in Quran is the only truth.
    That is why they are not accepted by the host culture.

  46. Mark says

    Aug 31, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    The ultimate goal in the Koran according to Muslims themselves is to have complete dominion over the entire world. The ideology of Islam should be banned in every western country in the world as it should be considered treasonous.

    Quotes from Muslims:

    “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”
    – Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) July 4th, 1998
    http://www.danielpipes.org/rr/394.pdf

    “I want to see the U.S. become an Islamic nation.”
    – Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR Spokesperson

    “I wouldn’t want to create the impression that I wouldn’t like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future … But I’m not going to do anything violent to promote that. I’m going to do it through education.”
    – Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR Spokesperson

    “I am telling you that my religion doesn’t tolerate other religion. It doesn’t tolerate. The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, has to be Islam”
    – Abu Bakr, Muslim Cleric

    “Oh, you Muslims everywhere, sever the ties of their nation, tear them apart, ruin their economy, instigate against their corporations, destroy their embassies, attack their interests, sink their ships, and shoot down their airplanes. Kill them in land, at sea, and in the air, kill them wherever you find them.”
    – Sheikh Abdel Rahman from a US prison

    “The real weapons of mass destruction are the desire for martyrdom. Millions of you are ready to be shaheed. Half a million martyrdom shaheed is enough for Muslims to control the whole of earth forever. In the end of the day, Islam must control earth, whether we like it or not.”
    – Abu Hamza al-Masri, Islamic Cleric

    “We don’t make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians…Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value.”
    – British career welfare recipient Sheikh Omar Bakri

    “We must not forget that Allah’s rules have to be established in all lands…”
    – Imam Muzammil H. Siddiqi, Islamic Society of North America

    “Ultimately, we (Muslims) can never be full citizens of this country … because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country”
    – Ihsan Bagby, CAIR

    “The 9/11 hijackers should be honored as martyrs.”
    – Warith Deen Umar, Former Muslim Chaplain, New York Prisons

    “Now, all our imams, our public speakers, should be concentrating on militarizing the Muslim public…Only carrying arms will do this task.”
    – Muhammad Al-Asi, Former Imam at the Washington, D.C. Islamic Center

    “Americans in general might be more supportive of targeted attacks on civilians, as part of the war on terror, than U.S. Muslims.”
    – Ahmad Al-Akhras, CAIR

    “In time, this so-called democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing. And the only thing left will be Islam.”
    – Siraj Wahhaj, Brooklyn, New York Imam

    “Muslims cannot accept the legitimacy of the secular system in the United States, for it “is against the orders and ordainments of Allah … the orientation of the Qur’an pushes us in the exact opposite direction as the forces that are at work in the American political spectrum.”
    – Imam Zaid Shakir, Former Muslim Chaplain at Yale University

    “Let us continue the protests. Let us damn America. Let us damn Israel. Let us damn their allies until death. Mohammad is leader. The Qu’ran is our constitution. Jihad is our path. Victory to Islam. Death to Israel. Revolution! Revolution! Until Victory! Rolling, rolling to Jerusalem.”
    – Sami Al Arian

    “This religion [Islam] will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters”
    – Jordanian/Palestinian School Book 1998

    “Mosques are our barracks, domes our helmets, minarets our bayonets, believers our soldiers.”
    – Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan

    “Islam not a religion of violence, but if you burn Qur’ans or draw Muhammad, we’ll kill you”
    – Gambian President

    “It should be us, with our understanding of Islam, our principles, colonizing positively the United States of America.”
    – Tariq Ramadan, Professor of Islamic Studies at Oxford University

    “I am a traitor to America because my religion requires me to be. We pledge to wage jihad for the rest of our lives until either we implant Islam all over the world or meet our Lord as bearers of Islam.”
    – Samir Khan

    “Once we gain power in Egypt, “we will launch a campaign of Islamic conquest, throughout the world”
    – Sheikh ‘Adel Shehato, Senior official of Egyptian Islamic Jihad

    “Greater integration between Islam and the West depends on incorporation of Sharia law into the legal systems of Europe and the U.S.”
    – Ground Zero Mosque Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf

    “No we don’t want to democratize Islam, we want to Islamize democracy” “We love you, America – and we want your children for Islam”
    – Islam on Capitol Hill.com

    “The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, Jihad Is Our Path & Death in the Name of Allah Is Our Goal”
    – Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi
    http://www.humanevents.com/2012/06/24/egyptian-president-mohammed-morsi-jihad-is-our-path-death-name-allah-is-our-goal/

    “Should I act violently in defense of my religion, ABSOLUTELY” “Nothing can stop the spread of Islam”
    – Reza Aslan, the so-called “moderate” Muslim

    “I say to America the Islamic Caliphate has been established and we will not stop … God willing, and we will raise the flag of Allah in the White House.”
    – Abu Mosa, ISIL militant, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)

    “#AmessagefromISIStoUS #US #USA This is a message for every American citizen, you are the target of every Muslim in the world wherever you are.”
    – mohibKordi, ISIL militant, tweet

    “We are in your state We are in your cities We are in your streets You are our goals anywhere.”
    – Sunna_rev, ISIL militant, tweet

    I am sick and tired of Dhimwits defending the heinous ideology of Islam:

    Dhimwit: “A non-Muslim member of a free society that abets the stated cause of Islamic domination with remarkable gullibility. A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity.”
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Dhimwits.htm

    • PJG says

      Aug 31, 2014 at 9:56 pm

      Hey, are you trying to scare us?!
      A good collection there, Mark. There would have to be something seriously wrong with a person who read all that and didn’t become alarmed.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 1, 2014 at 12:26 am

      Amazing—and deeply disturbing—collection of quotes. If only more Infidels were paying attention…

  47. Tim says

    Sep 1, 2014 at 5:17 am

    She’s obviously completely mad. Or a paid mule. Isn’t Cesari a Turkish name?

  48. Anna says

    Sep 2, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    *shaking my head* LOL !

    • kikorikid says

      Sep 8, 2014 at 7:00 pm

      Submit NOW! Is that the message here?

  49. KeLeMi says

    Sep 6, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    I went to school with several Muslims from varying countries. I still keep in contact with some.

    That said, I don’t like Islam’s stand on women, gays or the death penalty.

    If eight men gang rape a woman, I believe that it is the eight men and not the woman who belong in jail.

    • quotha raven says

      Sep 6, 2014 at 3:16 pm

      “That said, I don’t like Islam’s stand on women, gays or the death penalty.
      If eight men gang rape a woman, I believe that it is the eight men and not the woman who belong in jail.”

      Well, that’s a start, KeLeMi…how do you feel about their “stand” on apostates?
      Public beheadings? How do you feel about their “stand” on Western civilization? Freedom of speech? In short, or perhaps at length, how do you feel about jihad and the requirements of the holy book of Islam, Qur’an?

      I’m sure your muslim friends from school are wonderful. They are probably secularists, muslims who pay no attention to the Qur’an. Have you asked them how THEY feel about any of the issues above? What do they say?

    • kikorikid says

      Sep 8, 2014 at 7:09 pm

      Where have you been? Islamist stone women to DEATH for this.

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