The longer the Islamic State lasts, the more legitimacy it will have in the eyes of Muslims worldwide. It is striking that Davutoğlu would defend it, however, since Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan ultimately wants a caliphate in Istanbul, not in Baghdad. “Turkish Foreign Minister Defends ISIS Against Accusations Of Terrorism,” The Rojava Report, August 7, 2014 (thanks to Joshua):
The Foreign Minister of Turkey Ahmet Davutoğlu defended the Islamic State of Iraq and Sham (ISIS) from accusations of terrorism, blaming instead the governments of Iraq and Syria for the current violence in the region, according to a report from Özgür Gündem.
The comments came in the wake of an ISIS offensive in Iraqi Kurdistan over the past five days which has displaced hundreds of thousands and amid widespread reports that ISIS fighters were committing atrocities again Yezidi, Christian and Shia civilians in the region.
The Foreign Minister made the comments on a television program in which he seemingly defended ISIS from the “terrorist” or “radical” label. Davutoğlu told viewers that “a structure such as ISIS can seem like a radical or terrorist structure but there are different groups involved. There are Sunni Arabs, there are a significant amount of Turkmens.” He went on to add that while many were quick to point the finger at ISIS the Syrian and Iraqi regimes were the real cause of the trouble, saying “If Sunni Arabs had not been excluded in Iraq, the provinces of Mosul and Anbar would not be in such a rage today. Like in Syria if there had not been a government of a group representing 12% of society then it would not have been like this and these things would not have happened. There is a community whose rage has built up to a considerable extent.”
jihad3tracker says
For all those who need a bit of hilarity on this grim Saturday, as IS does its pathology on the Yazidi Christians, try this :
http://news.msn.com/world/obama-airstrikes-have-destroyed-arms-equipment
Essentially, Obama is in the process of continually revising whatever he says about Iraq.
Beagle says
In this case, at least Obama is doing something in the right direction. I am trying to be positive. Now everyone burst my little bubble.
John C. Barile says
Erdogan himself said that “there is only Islam.” So, it seems, our NATO ally Turkey is the biggest facilitator and enabler of the IS. Erdogan and his party are true Islamic supremacists. One State, One Caliph, One Ummah. Islam uber alles!
Sickening.
John C. Barile says
So I see. The points the Turkish foreign minister makes are the same as Mr. Obama’s. Funny, that.
BC says
Even more extreme, he said that the Israelis were doing “was worse than HItler what Hitler did to them”. I do not remember Hitler leafleting and phoning the people he was about to put in harm’s way, like when he terror bombed Guernica, Warsaw and Rotterdam for example. Either Erdogan is appallingly ignorant of the Nazis aggression or he just does not care for the truth. He is not fit to be a leader of any country
John C. Barile says
The source of this report is a story in itself. It’s a Syrian Kurdish YPG newspaper from the Rojava Canton of Kobane. Kobane, on the frontier with Turkey, is right on the front line against the IS. It’s a prime target of the IS, within its gunsights.
John C. Barile says
I mean to say that it’s focused on news from that small, troubled corner of the world.
John Spielman says
Can ‘ t wait until IS invades a Turkey and tries to destroy their way of life since IS has stated that their goal is to create the caliphate’s head quarters in Makkah not Istanbul. Sorry Erdogan
Islam will never be united because it is evil, and evil can never stay united. It is a house divided and as Jesus said, it cannot stand.
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John C. Barile says
Satan’s kingdom would be a house divided if Satan cast out Satan. But one devil returns with seven more even worse than the first, and so it goes with Legion and their Islamic State host.
11B40 says
Greetings:
Earlier this morning, the France24 news program reported that Turkey wouldn’t be involving itself in the American military air operations against ISIS despite its having a major USofA airbase. So, similar to the way it refused to allow the 4th Infantry Division to pass through to go a-knocking on Saddam Hussein’s many palace doors, Turkey once again proves that its Islamist blood is thicker than kuffar water.
Meanwhile, American pilots will be flying from the Persian Gulf, limiting their effectiveness. And yet some people still seem to view Islamist Turkey as an ally and valued NATO member.
Angemon says
The turks are schizophrenic. We have a turkish minister defending ISIS from being a terrorist organization and speaking in favour of sunni arabs, a turkish presidential candidate claiming ISIS is a terrorist group with no links to islam, all while ISIS claims to come after Turkey once it’s done with Syria.
Mazo says
Analmoron neglects to mention the fact that Foreign Minister Davutoglu and Presidential Candidate Ihsanoglu (who said ISIS has no links to Islam) are from entirely opposing parties which hate the guts out of each other.
Davutoglu is from AKP, an Islamist party (no Turkish nationalism in their ideology, except they sometimes have to pander to racist Turks for votes).
Ihsanoglu was nominated by MHP and CHP, both opposed to AKP. MHP mixes Islamism with fanatical Turkish ultranationalism-fascism, and CHP mixes secularism with Turkish nationalism. Both are racist parties and discriminate against Kurds while AKP has loosened restrictions on Kurds and other ethnicities in the name of multi-ethnic neo-Ottomanism.
The YPG (which is behind The Rojava Report) is also linked to the anti-Turkish PKK.
Kurds are divided into two main factions- the Iraqi Kurds under Barzani, who control the Peshmerga, are pro-Turkish. The Syrian Kurds and Turkish Kurds under the PKK/YPG are anti-Turkish.
Angemon says
The Maz-hole vomited:
“Analmoron neglects to mention the fact that Foreign Minister Davutoglu and Presidential Candidate Ihsanoglu (who said ISIS has no links to Islam) are from entirely opposing parties which hate the guts out of each other.”
And in the end we still have a turkish minister defending ISIS from being a terrorist organization and speaking in favour of sunni arabs, a turkish presidential candidate claiming ISIS is a terrorist group with no links to islam, all while ISIS claims to come after Turkey once it’s done with Syria. Congratulations on changing nothing, maz-hole. Well, at least you’re not trying to blame it on the West, the CIA and the American government. I guess your medication must be working, eh?
Mazo says
Analmoron, the AKP Presidential candidate Erdogan ran against (and defeated) MHP and CHP candidate Ihsanoglu.
Davutoglu is part of the AKP party and a member of Erdogan’s candidate.
I see nothing odd in Ihsanogli and Davutoglu holding entirely different views.
Angemon says
The Maz-hole posted:
“Analmoron, the AKP Presidential candidate Erdogan ran against (and defeated) MHP and CHP candidate Ihsanoglu.
Davutoglu is part of the AKP party and a member of Erdogan’s candidate.
I see nothing odd in Ihsanogli and Davutoglu holding entirely different views.”
The maz-hole claims he sees nothing wrong in defending islamic terrorism because of bipartisanship in Turkey. Pure comedy gold!!!
Truth be told, given his track record here it should come as no surprise that the maz-hole sees nothing odd in defending an organization that has been butchering and killing non-muslims because of their faith, and indoctrinating children into doing so:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/iraq-muslims-shoot-family-of-8-in-face-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/photo-australian-jihadis-son-age-7-holds-severed-head
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/islamic-state-to-yazidis-become-muslims-by-noon-today-or-we-kill-all-of-you
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/islamic-state-jihadis-murdered-500-yazidis-buried-some-alive
Nope, according to the maz-hole there’s nothing odd about defending that. Selling yourself out for fried chicken? Cheap, very cheap…
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/indonesia-islamic-state-magazine-handed-out-at-mosques-along-with-vouchers-for-fried-chicken
Mazo says
Analmoron, there is a big difference between not finding something odd, and agreeing with that thing.
I don’t find it odd that tons of westerners have intercourse with body parts used for defecation, does that mean I agree with it?
Angemon says
The maz-hole posted:
“there is a big difference between not finding something odd, and agreeing with that thing”
Your tactic of replying to things I didn’t say is a waste of time, don’t you think? Like i said, given your track record here it should come as no surprise that you see nothing odd in defending an organization that has been butchering and killing non-muslims because of their faith, and indoctrinating children into doing so:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/iraq-muslims-shoot-family-of-8-in-face-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/photo-australian-jihadis-son-age-7-holds-severed-head
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/islamic-state-to-yazidis-become-muslims-by-noon-today-or-we-kill-all-of-you
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/islamic-state-jihadis-murdered-500-yazidis-buried-some-alive
“I don’t find it odd that tons of westerners have intercourse with body parts used for defecation, does that mean I agree with it?”
That’s an interesting question, considering all your posts on this topic start with “Anal”. One might even start to think you’re obsessed with it. In any case, your interest for intercourse with body parts used for defecation is none of our business. If you’re going to try to draw attention away from your latest failure at least try to keep it tasteful, dumbass.
Mazo says
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/islamic-state-orders-female-genital-mutilation-for-all-women-ages-11-46-in-mosul/comment-page-1#comment-1091895
Mazo
July 24, 2014 at 2:08 pm
I can’t believe you guys are falling for these articles prank tweets and fcebook pages- actually I take that back- I totally believe that your brains are that small, smaller than a stegosaurus golf ball sized brain.
ISIS are savages and barbarians, but this specific fatwa is fake. It goes against their Madhhab.
The alleged ISIS fatwa is a hoax.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/breaking-jihad-terrorist-shooting-in-jerusalem/comment-page-1#comment-1097760
Mazo
August 5, 2014 at 5:24 am
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Baghdadi and Netanyahu are both narcisstic egoistic morons whose policies are in the end going to be detrimental to both of their states.
Analmoron claims I am defending the Islamic State of Baghdadi.
Angemon says
The maz-hole posted:
“Analmoron claims I am defending the Islamic State of Baghdadi.”
Your desperate attempt to ascribe claims to me won’t change the fact you argued yourself into an indefensible position. In any case, here’s what I said:
“The maz-hole claims he sees nothing wrong in defending islamic terrorism because of bipartisanship in Turkey. Pure comedy gold!!!”
“the maz-hole sees nothing odd in defending an organization that has been butchering and killing non-muslims because of their faith, and indoctrinating children into doing so”
“Nope, according to the maz-hole there’s nothing odd about defending that. ”
“given your track record here it should come as no surprise that you see nothing odd in defending an organization that has been butchering and killing non-muslims because of their faith, and indoctrinating children into doing so”
Either you’re outright lying or you’re too dumb to properly process and comprehend what I wrote. In any case, you owe me an apology, dumbass.
gravenimage says
Mazo wrote:
Analmoron (sic) neglects to mention the fact that Foreign Minister Davutoglu and Presidential Candidate Ihsanoglu (who said ISIS has no links to Islam) are from entirely opposing parties which hate the guts out of each other…
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Ah, yes—never let it be said that Islam is ‘monolithic’—why, some pious Muslims want to see the Caliphate headquartered in Baghdad, while some would like to see it in Istanbul…
See? This couldn’t be more different…sarc/off
jewdog says
I see. Since the Sunnis have been underrepresented in Syria and Iraq, it’s perfectly understandable that a Sunni insurgency that enslaves women, expels and murders religious minorities and beheads heretics would arise. That’s not terrorism – that’s business as usual, or even justice, in Islam World.
Beagle says
If anyone knows a thing or two about the relative advantages of and support for genocide, it’s the Turks.
At least the mask is off of the regime in Turkey for anyone with open eyes to see.
gravenimage says
Turkish Foreign Minister defends Islamic State against accusations of terrorism
The longer the Islamic State lasts, the more legitimacy it will have in the eyes of Muslims worldwide…
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This is true. And yet, if Muslims were decent people who didn’t embrace such an evil ideology, the longer the Islamic State has lasted, the more they would run screaming from it.
It started badly, with ISIS lining the streets of Mosul with the severed heads of their enemies. But what has followed has shown that this was not just some brief spasm of savagery, no matter how brutal—now they have moved on to crucifixions, to the organized genocide of Christians, Yazidi, and Shia, to taking these minority women as sex slaves, to the imposition of bloody Shari’ah, and to the stoning of women.
And yet tellingly, pious Muslims are now flocking to the new “Caliphate”—moving there as fighters or even to raise their children, visiting on their (sexually segregated) honeymoons, and forming fan clubs and wearing t-shirts in solidarity in the rest of the world.
And this, for a place perhaps worse than Somalia or Afghanistan under the Taliban—the most horrific polity I have seen in my lifetime.
More:
It is striking that Davutoğlu would defend it, however, since Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan ultimately wants a caliphate in Istanbul, not in Baghdad.
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It is also striking because one need only glance at a map to see that after further incursions into Iraq—with the main goal the taking of Bagdad—the next target will almost certainly be eastern Turkey. Erbil, in fact, used to be in Turkey not more than a hundred years ago when the maps were redrawn.
But even thought they present a direct threat to Turkey itself, how can good Muslims really criticize an Islamic State? After all, this sanguinary horror is what they all ultimately want.
More:
The Foreign Minister made the comments on a television program in which he seemingly defended ISIS from the “terrorist” or “radical” label. Davutoğlu told viewers that “a structure such as ISIS can seem like a radical or terrorist structure..
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Gee—really? sarc/off
More:
He went on to add that while many were quick to point the finger at ISIS the Syrian and Iraqi regimes were the real cause of the trouble, saying “If Sunni Arabs had not been excluded in Iraq, the provinces of Mosul and Anbar would not be in such a rage today.
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Many groups have been unfairly excluded from the political process throughout history. And remember that this is not some ancient wrong—Sunnis have had a reduced role in the political life of Iraq for a grand total of eleven years.
Before that, of course, under Saddam Hussein *they* oppressed and brutalized the Shi’ite majority.
But it is not as though the majority of their savagery has even been directed at the Shia—more of it has been aimed at vulnerable Infidel minorities, Christians and Yazidi.
And moreover, the Islamic State has made it clear that their brutality has not been based on “revenge”—bad enough—but instead based on founding a perfect state on the principles of Islam.
And we see what a horror *that* is.
Charli Main says
Its not Istanbul that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan wants to establish an Islamic Caliphate in ——ITS ROME.
The Turks have been relentless attacking European States since 1358, getting as far as Vienna. Victory there, would have opened the road to Rome, Islam´s ultimate wet dream.
Jerry says
Beware: Our “Nato Allies” are seeking to behead us.
François Gravel says
Now why would the Foreign Minister of Turkey defend ISIS thugs from accusations of committing atrocities again Yazidis, you might ask? The answer comes from Wikipedia’s article on the Yazidi: “Treatment of Yazidis was exceptionally harsh during the rule of the Ottoman Empire during the 18th and the first half of 19th century, Yazidis have suffered 72 massacres, and their numbers dwindled under Ottoman rule both in Syria and Iraq. Massacres at the hand of Ottoman Turks and Muslim Kurdish princes almost wiped out their community in the 19th century. Several punitive expeditions were organized against the Yazidis by the Turkish governors (Wāli) of Diyarbakir, Mosul and Baghdad. These operations were legitimized by fatāwa from Islamic clerics. The objective of these persecutions was the forced conversion of Yazidis to the Sunni Hanafi Islam of the Turkish Ottoman Empire.”
SpiritOf1683 says
Birds of a feather flock together, don’t they Scumbag Davutoğlu?
raja says
Turkey is pro-american and close friend to obama. The reasons of air strikes.
1- to cover his traitor to the soldiers who are killed in iraq war.
2- to show that USA still defending the minorities (obama bargained or sold them).
Where is the human rights organisations in america, they are paid too as the media.
Why you are surprised by what isis or Kalifa state are doing they are applying the coran and sharia.
Falsafa says
The reason why we can not support the current airstrikes in northern Iraq to protect the lives of innocent civilians by allowing the use of Nato airbases in Adana and Diyarbakir is because ISIS are holding over 40 diplomats, their families and consular staff hostage and their lives will be in danger if we move against these ISIS attackers. The Turkish Consulate in Mosul, which was the only diplomatic mission in Mosul, has been overrun and is being used by ISIS militants as their headquarters. Please try to view and asses these issues more objectively. Thank you.
CogitoErgoSum says
Do you hear that, NATO? Turkey will be an ally only as long as no Turks are ever harmed or taken hostage by the enemy. Don’t you feel better now?
Falsafa says
The safety of our nationals must be the first and foremost priority of our government. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Mirren10 says
”The safety of our nationals must be the first and foremost priority of our government.”
Pity that isn’t the ‘first and foremost priority’ of the Gazan government, eh ?
When you were weeping and wailing over the deaths in Gaza, caused, you said, by the ‘wicked Joooos’, the Gazan government was busily using ** its own people as human shields**.
What utter **hypocrites** all you mohammedans are. And **liars**.
CogitoErgoSum says
All for one and one for all……until one of us gets hurt. Then the whole deal is off. I understand that.
Falsafa says
gutter talk, insults and straw man arguments from the active contributors to this blog will not change the reality on the ground. It is the bedrock policy of our government to protect our nationals domestically and overseas.
CogitoErgoSum says
Falsafa, the truth hurts, doesn’t it?
Falsafa says
The only truth laid out here is the reason why our government is not able to actively and positively contribute to ending this current tragedy in Iraq and bringing peace to all living there. All other points brought forward as comments to this article is noise and should be discussed separate from the issue at hand.
CogitoErgoSum says
I understand what you are saying perfectly. The lives of your Turkish dipolmats and their families are more important than the lives of 40,000 or so Yazidis trapped on a mountain without food or water.
Jay Boo says
What a bunch of BS from Falsafa beginning with
“We cannot support” — saving the lives of — “innocent civilians” especially when said civilians are non-Muslims and being butchered by the unleashed Islam Uber Alles mentality that exists in the parasitic minds of every Muslim on the planet like a dormant virus waiting for an opportunity to infect or mutate from one tainted verse to the next.
gravenimage says
Falsafa—who has many times championed Muslim savagery here—wrote:
It is the bedrock policy of our government to protect our nationals domestically and overseas.
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Unless, of course, they are “filthy Infidels” or ethnic minorities like the Kurds…
Here’s Turkey muzzling its press:
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/06/daloglu-media-mosul-hostages-isis-erdogan-iraq-consulate.html
“He said, ‘The government now tells us that we should not call ISIS a terror organization.'”
Yes—because appeasement of barbarians *always* works…sarc/off
Then there’s *this* aspect:
“But we have been the ones to arm them, feed them, treat them in Turkey when injured. How could he [Erdogan] admit that it is a terror organization? He wouldn’t. They are now biting the hand that fed them. This is where we are today.”
In other words, Turkey believed that ISIS was just going to target Shi’ites, Christians, and Yazidi—who knew that they might turn on the Turks, as well?
More:
The only truth laid out here is the reason why our government is not able to actively and positively contribute to ending this current tragedy in Iraq and bringing peace to all living there…
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Ah, yes—Turkey is known for “bringing peace”—to Greece, to the Balkans, to the Kurds, to its own minorities, to Israel…sarc/off
Mirren10 says
”NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organizaiton, is an military alliance of twenty-eight North American and European countries. **The role of the organization is to safeguard the freedom and security of its member countries by political and military means.**’ (my emphasis: Mirren)
You have **obligations** towards NATO because you are a **signatory member**.
But of course, I forgot, no mohammedan, or mohammedan country, recognises any obligations to the kuffar. Silly me.
If NATO has any sense, they’ll a) utterly ignore any demands from you cowardly wimps for protection, and b) kick your fat mohammedan arses out, and invite **Israel** to become a member. Now, **there’s** a land of **mensches**.
gravenimage says
Here’s an interesting aspect in the Al-Monitor I ran across while answering Muslim troll Falsafa:
“Although Foreign Minister (Ahmet Davutoglu) claims that ISIS is a criminal organization working on behalf of the Assad regime, there are some signs, some links, some evidence that plainly classifies the AKP with these radical violent organizations.”
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/06/daloglu-media-mosul-hostages-isis-erdogan-iraq-consulate.html#
In other words, this same Foreign Minister who is now excusing ISIS’s savagery was critical of them just recently.
Implausibly, of course, he was claiming that ISIS—a Sunni terrorist group—was actually working for Alawite Shi’ite-allied Assad. This, even though ISIS has been mass-slaughtering Alawites and Shia.
But this should not surprise—either Muslims claiming that any group they dislike is backed by “foreigners”, or Jews, or the US, or Britain, or, as here, by “other sect” Muslims.
So—what is really going on here?
Is Davutoğlu—per the article—trying to appease ISIS here, or is this just his intrinsic Muslim admiration of Islamic savagery coming to the fore?
Who the hell knows? Sometimes trying to parse the intricacies of Muslim meretriciousness is too much for the honest Kuffar…
Myxlplik says
Perhaps, some day, the Sunnis and all those whom seek the power of the Caliphate will lament their grievances like the Germans do the Treaty of Versailles…. Mr. Turk.