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Turkish poet: “Islam is worse than Nazism”

Aug 3, 2014 4:31 pm By Robert Spencer

SerkanEngin2Note from Robert Spencer: When Serkan Engin sent me this piece and asked me to publish it, I asked him if this could endanger him in Turkey. He responded, “I am ready to die.” I certainly hope that he encounters no difficulty as a result of making these public statements; what happens to him now will be a test of the health of the freedom of speech and Kemalist secularism in rapidly re-Islamizing Turkey. It is certainly not possible to say such things in the U.S. today without charges of “racism” and “bigotry,” without any discussion of whether there are Islamic texts and teachings that justify violence and hatred: the question cannot even be asked.

It should also be noted that I do not agree with Serkan Engin’s call for Islam to be outlawed. In the U.S., at least (to say nothing of Turkey or elsewhere), we do not outlaw ideas, and do not employ Thought Police. The criminalizing of thought is a hallmark of the totalitarian state. Even at the height of the Cold War, Communism was not outlawed. Once a people grants to the government the power to declare certain ideas illegal, that power can be turned against good ideas, to the detriment of the people. What needs to be done in response to jihad violence and Islamic supremacism today is an aggressive prosecution of any and all actions dedicated to subverting the republic; that is, however, not being done.

In any case, I may not agree with everything Serkan Engin says, but I will defend to the death his right to speak his mind. That is the fundamental principle of the freedom of speech, and the indispensable foundation of any free society. It is rapidly being lost.

Why Islam is Worse Than Nazism
by Serkan Engin

I am an atheist author and poet, who had lived as a Sunni Muslim for 23 years from birth, and I am still living in a Muslim country, Turkey. Also, my parents and all of my relatives are still Muslim. So, my critics about Islam can be easily consider this an inside view.

I know that the title of this essay seems assertive, but I will explain the rightness of this title step-by-step in this essay.

First of all, you have to learn about Islam that if you are an “outsider”, a non-Muslim, for example, a Christian, an atheist, a Buddhist, a Jew or whatever else, all Muslims have the “right” of killing and raping you, grabbing all your properties, your country, land, money and anything else. They take this “right” from the book of their belief, the Quran. In other words, they take this “right” from their belief’s core, the theology of Islam.

Here are some examples of this in verses from Quran.

This verse of Quran is about “all non-Muslims”, all “heretics”! — Christians, Buddhists, atheists, Jews, etc. — describing them “who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad)”

Surat Al-Ma’idah (5.33)

http://quran.com/5/33

“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.”

And this verse of the Quran is about the order to kill the humans who left Islam, the apostates:

Surat An-Nisa’ (4.89)

http://quran.com/4/89

“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”

Look at the current situation in Syria. How can Islamist terrorists slaughter Alawite people or rape Christian women so easily? Because they take this “right” from their belief and they believe that they will go to the heaven because of these vandalistic actions against “outsiders”, who are out of Islam, who don’t believe the same religious tenets — in other words, those who are the “heretics” according to their belief. Some Muslims say, “But they are not the real Muslims.” That is a big lie; that is the exact form of real Islam, because these vandalistic actions are in accord with the orders of Quran.

You have heard many times that “Islam is a tolerant religion”. That is the biggest lie that you can hear all over the World, and this lie is used as a mask to hide the terrible face of Islam. There is NO difference between Islam and Islamism. This is the main error that the modern world make about Islam. There are not different forms as Islam and Islamism, they are the same thing, and they have the same content. This separation is just only an illusion, and it is used by Muslims to hide the brutal, hateful, oppressive,murderous, genocidal face of Islam.

Islamic theology is based on the verses of the Quran and Hadith. Hadiths are the words and actions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and all Muslims must follow these words and actions in addition to the orders of Quran. For example, you have to defecate as Muhammad did, and you have to clean yourself as he did, or you can rape and enslave a “heretic” woman in a war as a sex slave as Muhammad did, or you can torture your enemy in a war to learn the place of his hidden money, as Muhammad did.

You “must” cut the hand of a thief as Muhammad did, not give him any prison sentence as do the modern laws.

You must stone a woman to death as Muhammad did, because she had sex outside of the rules of Islam (but you must only whip her partner a hundred times). If you are a Muslim, you can never set them free while considering that their sexual actions are about their own personal relations and freedom, in accord with modern laws. You must definitely apply the punishments of Muhammad such as stoning the woman to the death and whipping her partner a hundred times if you want to be a good Muslim.

You must kill the man who left the belief of Islam, as Muhammad did. You can’t say “This is his own choice and he has the freedom of thought and belief”, because it is an order of the Quran that you “must” kill the persons who were Muslim before and then left the Islamic religion.

You must kill all homosexuals according to the orders of Islam. No Muslims can say according to Islam that their sexual orientation is their own natural right, in accord with the human rights norms of our age.

You have the “right” to marry a little girl at 9 years old, as Muhammad did. In other words, you can rape a little child legally in Islam and make her a sex slave, and also a domestic slave till the end of her life.

You can lie alongside of your dead wife for 6 hours, as Muhammad did. In other words, you can rape the dead body of your wife for 6 hours after her death.

Here is Islam…Here is the “tolerant religion”…Here is the right way to the heaven…Here are the orders of Allah…Here are the actions of Muhammad…

You can easily see how civilized the Muslim countries of the world are because of Islam, such as Afghanistan, Nigeria, Turkey, Iran, Sudan and the others. You can see how much they have contributed to the history of philosophy, the history of art, and the history of science of the whole world. You can see how respectful they are to human rights, women’s rights, children’s rights, the freedom of expression and thought, the freedom of the press, the freedom of belief, etc.

The first genocide wave of 20th century, the Armenian Genocide, the Assyrian Genocide and the Pontic Greek Genocide, was perpetrated by Turkish and Kurdish people of the Ottoman Empire and the new Turkish Republic, getting motivation from the “rights” that they had because of Islam: the “rights” of killing and raping the non-Muslims, enslaving their women and little girls as sex slaves and also domestic slaves, and grabbing their money, houses and lands. However, “The Committee of Union and Progress” (CUP) (Turkish: İttihat ve Terakki Cemiyeti) was based on Turkish nationalism; they used Turkish and Kurdish people easily for these genocides because of the Islamic religion’s content about non-Muslims. All the Turkish and Kurdish Muslims believed that they would go to the heaven if they killed more non-Muslims, as do today’s Islamist terrorists.

The owners of the second genocide wave of 20th century were Nazis, as you know. They took the genocides of the Turks as a sample. It is know that Adolf Hitler said to his military commanders, “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?,” while they were talking about the reaction of the world about the genocides that they were planning to perpetrate.

Nazism was considered a legal and respectable ideology at the beginning of the 1930s, and then the world saw how dangerous Nazism was. Millions of people died because of Nazism, and today it is illegal to support Nazism in any civilized country. You can never make propaganda about Nazism legally. Today, Nazism is not considered as a genuine thought alternative, and it is not included in the freedom of thought and expression.

As I have detailed above, Islam is against the human rights norms of our age, and it has more dangerous content than Nazism. Islam is not a belief alternative, it is just a crime against humanity, and any crime shouldn’t have freedom in our modern world. So, Islam must be declared illegal all over the world, as is Nazism, because of its vandal content and commands that are against human rights. All actions about Islam must be forbidden and the propagandists of Islam must be judged because of instigating to the crimes of murder, rape, grab and crimes against humanity. Otherwise, the world will meet with a big tragedy when the Islamists will get more power, as the world suffered because of Nazism.

A socialist Laz poet from Turkey, Serkan Engin was born in 1975 in Izmit, Turkey. His poems have been published in English in The Tower Journal, Poetry’z Own, Belleville Park Pages, Far Enough East, Spilt Infinitive Lit Magazine, Empty Mirror, The Writer’s Drawer, Poetry Super Highway, Miracle E-zine, Industry Night Lit Magazine, Open Road Review, Shot Glass Journal, The Criterion and Mediterranean Poetry. Some of his poems appeared in Japanese in the leading Japanese philosophy and poetry journal Shi to Shisou.

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  1. Jay Boo says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    Yet another former Muslim who has felt the disgust of Islam’s filth.

    Artik yeter!
    enough is enough (no more)

    • RICHTHOFEN says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 6:38 am

      He is spot on! Hitler based Naziism on islam, the Grand Mufti of Palestine was one of his mentors who even raised whole muslim SS Divisions who carried out many of the worst atrocities in the East – wherever there is conflict, killing, maiming, cowardice, hatred, prejudice, islam is behind it – the cult was only formed to wage war, in the first place – and so it continues – islam should be proscribed in all civilised countries

      • BC says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 8:57 am

        I would not say that Islam is worse than Nazism except in its grip on the minds of far greater numbers of people. The Nazis managed to get hold of the minds of millions of people, not all of them Germans either. Islam is as bad as Nazism but in fact worse in many ways. Most sane Germans realised they had been lead to misery and destruction by the Nazis and wanted to build a new Germany based on democrartic principles. I think the task of changing the minds of the billion or more Muslims is a much harder task. Nazi fascism was based on the idea that the Germans were a superior race who could conquer anybody. Hitler despised the Slavs whom he thought subhuman, how they proved him wrong, the Wehrmacht found the Russian soldier just as valiant as the Germans. He also had watched
        some Hollywood gangster movies and despised the Americans as weak and lacking moral fibre, again he was absolutely wrong. Some say Hitler was not insane but I think he certainly suffered from tunnel vision. Once he got an idea in his head it was impossible to dislodge it.
        Reality had no influence on his thinking.
        On the other hand
        Islamist superiority is based on the idea that Islam is the ultimate religion
        and it has the Quran to prove it. Like the Nazis, children are brainwashed with this nonsense from early childhood. Their thinking is molded in the ideas of the Quran, nothing else has validity. It rules every aspect of their lives. This was shown this week when ISIS destroyed several departments of a university because they were not necessary for Islam.
        Islam is dangerous as it does not fight battles it destroys by subterfuge.
        Suicide bombing etc. it can kill lots of people but the idea that it will defeat western armies in the field is as delusional as Hitler’s claims for his armies.

        • TH says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 3:10 pm

          Obviously jihadists are not capable of defeating modern Western armies, but this is not the problem. Once the yihadists become more and more active within European and American cities, and they achieve a greater level of fanaticism in places like Syria and Iraq, they will be perpretating more and more yihadist attacks in these cities. In France, there are whole areas controlled by them where the police do not dare to enter. A few years ago they made these suburbs of Paris and other cities blaze by burning cars and other acts of vandalism. Against these and other act modern armies are useless. Special forces are the only way of facing up to this problem. When a certain percentage of the population are muslim and are being fanaticized by Imans in the mosques, then expect big trouble. Since Western governments are not willing to face up to this reality, nor are the media or academia, then they will gain more strength and will try to enforce shar´ia laws on the rest of the population. Given the fact that politically correcto governments will not be willing to defend the ordinary citizens, then it is likely that vigilante groups will be fomed to defend the citizens from muslim violence, so that eventually there will be piteched battles in Paris and other European cities between the vigilante groups of ordinary citizens fed up with their politically correct governments who will take on the fight against the muslims. Eventually, the governments may wake up, or politicians like Gert Wilders will be elected and some form of rationality will be achieved thanks to the expulsion of muslim terrorists etc. The question is whether sooner or later Paris will turn into a new Beirut, which used to be the Paris of the Middle East. Same goes for London, Berlin and most other Europan cities. The ordinary folk will probably not be wiling to put up with the imposition of shar´ia by their politicians. Then there will be a big backlash and urban civil wars. What begins in France usually gets around to the rest of Europe. The so called “extreme right” will probably win the next election in France. Can America be saved from this? Not unless there is a total rejection of what Obama and his ilk are up to.

        • TH says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 3:10 pm

          Obviously jihadists are not capable of defeating modern Western armies, but this is not the problem. Once the yihadists become more and more active within European and American cities, and they achieve a greater level of fanaticism in places like Syria and Iraq, they will be perpretating more and more yihadist attacks in these cities. In France, there are whole areas controlled by them where the police do not dare to enter. A few years ago they made these suburbs of Paris and other cities blaze by burning cars and other acts of vandalism. Against these and other act modern armies are useless. Special forces are the only way of facing up to this problem. When a certain percentage of the population are muslim and are being fanaticized by Imans in the mosques, then expect big trouble. Since Western governments are not willing to face up to this reality, nor are the media or academia, then they will gain more strength and will try to enforce shar´ia laws on the rest of the population. Given the fact that politically correcto governments will not be willing to defend the ordinary citizens, then it is likely that vigilante groups will be fomed to defend the citizens from muslim violence, so that eventually there will be piteched battles in Paris and other European cities between the vigilante groups of ordinary citizens fed up with their politically correct governments who will take on the fight against the muslims. Eventually, the governments may wake up, or politicians like Gert Wilders will be elected and some form of rationality will be achieved thanks to the expulsion of muslim terrorists etc. The question is whether sooner or later Paris will turn into a new Beirut, which used to be the Paris of the Middle East. Same goes for London, Berlin and most other Europan cities. The ordinary folk will probably not be wiling to put up with the imposition of shar´ia by their politicians. Then there will be a big backlash and urban civil wars. What begins in France usually gets around to the rest of Europe. The so called “extreme right” will probably win the next election in France. Can America be saved from this? Not unless there is a total rejection of what Obama and his ilk are up to.

      • JIMJFOX says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 11:53 am

        Allowing Islam free speech is insane- when it responds to criticism with murder!
        This has to be a prime example of Thomas Mann’s “Tolerance of evil becomes a crime”.
        NO! Islam MUST be banned in non-muslim countries and enforced absolutely.
        Mosques must be demolished as the sources of hate that they are. Sharia MUST be expunged. Islamic texts should remain to remind society of the reasons for the ban.
        Recent events have shown that tolerance/encouragement of Islam is suicidal, even though western media and leaders have argued otherwise. There comes a time when extreme measures are not only justified but essential.
        Most wars seem to from assumptions that accommodations can be made- and this ALWAYS proves false. ISLAM has never made concessions.

        http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/unusual-answer-panelist-receives-standing-ovation-benghazi-coalition

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 5, 2014 at 5:19 pm

          “Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.” – Thomas Mann

          Agree with all you said.

  2. voegelinian says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    “It should also be noted that I do not agree with Serkan Engin’s call for Islam to be outlawed. In the U.S., at least (to say nothing of Turkey or elsewhere), we do not outlaw ideas, and do not employ Thought Police. The criminalizing of thought is a hallmark of the totalitarian state. Even at the height of the Cold War, Communism was not outlawed.”

    I agree that ideas should not be outlawed. I continue to maintain, however, that the translation of Islam’s ideational content into seditious behavior that fuses violent attacks with stealth subversion — both of them different arms of the world war Muslims are now waging against the West (and have been waging against the West since the 7th century (in its former incarnation as the nascent Christian Roman Empire) — should of course be “illegal” at the very least, but more pertinently be 1) recognized as a hot war against us and 2) be repelled with all our might and with a military strategy intelligently aware of the unique form of this war and its soldiers, unlike any other war and any other soldiery we have been faced with.

    Just one of the many points of complexity my rather terse statement above contains implicitly, and which have to be factored in to render more clearly the sense of my statement: the uniqueness of this particular soldiery that is attacking us includes the ostensible fact that the vast majority of it appears to be non-combatants (and many of them are nice and friendly and seemingly assimilable).

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 4:55 pm

      Did you not suggest that all Muslims should be deported in bulk?
      (because of their belief system)
      Can’t have it both ways. Have you changed on the deporting Muslims?

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 5:02 pm

        Correction
        you were quoting the article but did not use a separator
        ——————–

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 6:58 pm

          No need for a separator when you use quotation marks to identify a quote (that’s what they were invented for). (That’s 3.5 seconds of my life I’ll never get back again…)

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 7:02 pm

          I wasn’t “quoting the article” — I was quoting Spencer’s words from his introduction to the publication of the Turkish poet. Even if those words I was quoting were mine, it doesn’t mean that I no longer advocate deportation of Muslims. Whether or not one wants to criminalize the idea of Islam, one still has to defend one’s society from Murderous Muslims and Mendacious Muslims (not really two distinct demographics, but the latter more often than not are disguised as harmless and, because they are not exploding, stabbing or shooting, are believed by most in the mainstream West (and by not a few even in the Counter-Jihad) when they lie to us through their smiling white teeth).

        • Angemon says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 7:43 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “one still has to defend one’s society from Murderous Muslims and Mendacious Muslims (not really two distinct demographics, but the latter more often than not are disguised as harmless and, because they are not exploding, stabbing or shooting, are believed by most in the mainstream West (and by not a few even in the Counter-Jihad) when they lie to us through their smiling white teeth)”

          And once again voegelinian acts like he knows what’s going on the mind of every muslim. Must be good having god-like powers…

    • Angemon says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 5:22 pm

      voegelinian posted:

      “I agree that ideas should not be outlawed. I continue to maintain, however, that the translation of Islam’s ideational content into seditious behavior that fuses violent attacks with stealth subversion — both of them different arms of the world war Muslims are now waging against the West (and have been waging against the West since the 7th century (in its former incarnation as the nascent Christian Roman Empire) — should of course be “illegal” at the very least”

      Right, that’s why you openly defended the “deportation” of all and every muslims for being muslims (including native converts) and when me and others told you that your idea was fascist and totalitarian in nature you accused us of being “softies” and wanting to play “jihad roulette” with the lives of innocent people.

      Talk about backpedaling…

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 7:07 pm

        angemon didn’t quote my sentence completely, then ran with his strawman. Typical of his intellectual shoddiness. My complete sentence is available for all to see, above; and anyone with half a brain (i.e., at least a handful of the Jihad Watch regulars) can see his straw man is just that.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 7:09 pm

          Not only my complete sentence, but my complete post following that sentence, of course (for those, that is, who still have the intellectual integrity to actually read, comprehend, and adduce the complete content of what they are critiquing).

        • Jovial Joe says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 7:21 pm

          You’re so utterly tiresome. An incredibly brave man has asked Robert in person to post a damning essay on Islam – an act that may well cost him his life -and you’re twittering on about your petty comment in your standard megalomaniacal way as though the really important thing here is that your gracing us with your presence. Thoroughly shameful conduct.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 7:38 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “angemon didn’t quote my sentence completely, then ran with his strawman.”

          This textbook case of projection is coming from the guy who, on several topics, singled out me and PJ out of nowhere for no valid reason and lied about what he and I said. In any case, his futile exercise in ad hominem changes nothing – what i said is not a “strawman”, it’s the truth: voegelinian openly defended the “deportation” of all and every muslims for being muslims (including native converts) and when I and others told him his idea was fascist and totalitarian in nature he accused us of being “softies” and wanting to play “jihad roulette” with the lives of innocent people.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 7:52 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “anyone with half a brain (i.e., at least a handful of the Jihad Watch regulars) can see his straw man is just that.”

          And you sure like to show that you only have half a brain, don’t you?

          BTW, is that “ handful of the Jihad Watch regulars” composed of the same JW regulars you attacked for not jumping to aid you the last time you failed to reply to criticism?

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 7:30 pm

        Maybe I am missing something.
        You suggest that you were deliberately quoted out of context by Angemon and go so far as to question his intellectual integrity.

        I can’t see how finishing the sentence with the complete sentence or complete post would make any difference.

      • Brazooka says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 9:38 am

        Given the nature of Islam, the idea that foreign Muslims should not be allowed to live in Western countries is entirely reasonable. In fact, the opposite idea—that they should enjoy free access to Western countries—is what’s unreasonable. Liberal thought wishes to ban the concept of the undesirable alien, and the concomitant notion that countries have the right to keep out undesirable aliens or to expel once they are in. Muslims are as undesirable as it gets, right up there with MS-13 members.

        Treason is another concept liberal thought seems to have banned. Native converts to Islam, for whom you seem to have enormous consideration, are traitors. I would not advocate their being deported because deportation is not an appropriate punishment for treason.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 10:38 am

          Brazooka posted:

          “Given the nature of Islam, the idea that foreign Muslims should not be allowed to live in Western countries is entirely reasonable.”

          voegelinian isn’t just thinking about deporting foreign muslims, his is a “total deportation” option.

          “Native converts to Islam, for whom you seem to have enormous consideration, are traitors.”

          There’s a difference between having “enormous consideration” for native converts and pointing out that just because someone converted to islam they automatically know that islam is a religion mandating warfare against, and subjugation of, non-muslims. Earlier on I quoted from one of Robert’s books, “The Truth About Muhammad Founder of the World’s Most Intolerant Religion“:

          “Of course, even if the jihadists are right about Muhammad that does not mean that all or even most Muslims will not be law-abiding and opposed to terrorism. In Islam, as in every religious tradition, there is a spectrum of belief, knowledge, and fervor. One cannot be sure from anyone’s self-identification as a Muslim how much he knows about the Qur’an and the life of Muhammad. This is true particularly because Islam is an essentially Arabic religion; Muslims must learn the daily prayers and the Qur’an in Arabic, which is the language of Allah. To pray to him in another tongue is unacceptable. Since most Muslims today are not native Arabic speakers, and the Qur’an is in difficult, classical, seventh-century Arabic (and most English translations are in equally difficult ersatz King James Bible-like language), many Muslims, even those who are quite serious about their faith, have only a dim awareness of what these texts actually say.”

          And I remember that in one of his videos he reiterated that idea by mentioning a website dedicated to “debunk” the “lies” in that book. After a while the creator of the website (who was a muslim) contacted Robert and told him something along the lines of “I did my research, turns out you’re right, what you say in the book is true and I’m leaving islam for good”. To say that all native converts to islam are traitors implies that you know what’s going on in their heads. Can you can provide irrefutable evidence that all and every single native convert to islam is out to create an islamic state and subjugating non-muslims? If not, how can you be so sure that all native converts are traitors?

        • Angemon says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 10:59 am

          Ups, small typo. Where it reads “just because someone converted to islam they automatically know that” should read “just because someone converted to islam they don’t automatically know that“

    • Shane says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 9:35 am

      All non-Muslim nations are foolish for allowing large numbers of Muslims to immigrate into their countries. The traitorous left will oppose ending Muslim immigration and call us racist, but we must insist on ending Muslim immigration despite the names they will call us.

      What we can do to make Muslims uncomfortable in the USA is pass ALAC in every state.

      American Laws for American Courts (ALAC)
      ACT! for America has played a key role in getting ALAC (American Laws for American Courts) passed in Tennessee, Arizona, Kansas, Oklahoma, and North Carolina. ALAC prohibits state judges from applying foreign law, which can include Sharia law, when doing so infringes on constitutional rights.
      http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/component/content/article/2884#10

    • charlesmartel17 says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 1:26 pm

      Look how well it turned out not outlawing the Com. party. It worked to undermine American society for decades, and finally morphed into the Democrat party. Congratulations.

      As one reader commented: “This has to be a prime example of Thomas Mann’s “Tolerance of evil becomes a crime”.”

  3. Alex says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Thank you for publishing this. Even though I am not a muslim, I have read the quran out of curiousity (I wanted to learn as much as possible about islam before forming a clear opinion about muslims) and totally agree with Serkan – Islam is much worse than Nazism. There are parts which clearly instruct muslims to lie in order to trick infidels into thinking that they are peaceful and good, while their real goal is to kill and conquer. It was very brave of him to share his ideas publicly

    • John Stefan Obeda says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 9:25 pm

      Yes, indeed, Islam is much worse than Nazism. For instance, Islam offers her followers heaven, paradise, women for eternity to play with, 72 virgins, etc if they kill for allah. That’s a great drive to kill. Nazism, of course, was bad enough; Islam is worse.

  4. Jay Boo says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    The glare of truth is ripping at the seams of Islam’s veil.

  5. Jay Boo says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    “Life is full of such perverse irony”
    Muslims are good at solving puzzles.

    Yet their own vanity has trapped them inside a counter-intuitive enigma of Islamic duty.
    Many Muslims either lack the courage or the will to unlock the pompous paradox that shackles them to Islamic piety.
    A SIMPLE PUZZLE
    So simple that even a carpet kissing Muslim could figure this out.
    Who or what is ‘Airahs’? — (A person, a place or even an idea)
    (Airahs pronounced as ‘errors’)

    The answer is clearly written in a single word — (hint line 12)
    of the following poem that was inspired by the film, ‘The Stoning of Soraya M’.

    Veil of Airahs

    Three colors unfurl with “God is greatest” woven each between
    as the red scripted tulip on white unravels beneath Islamic green.
    The regime rejects the justice that Islam claims to defend.
    Each red tulip is a shameful reminder against all they pretend.
    Ritual worship on display always bows to the will of pride,
    whenever a theocracy entices law and vanity to collide.
    “God is Greatest” Insults God with all the contempt they conceal.
    Insisting to ‘assist’ the Almighty is pride’s lack of faith revealed.
    Ayatollahs aim one verse’s wrath to martyr the peace of another,
    pretending to “speak” for God while crawling in the shadow of sharia.
    Who do they think they are, to overlook such a blasphemous flaw?
    Their willful delusion assaults truth behind backward sharia law.
    Ritual violence feigns such an honorable intent
    to ensnare justice in its web of blatant pretense.

    Feel the last hope of honor suffocate inside a raised self-righteous clench
    as regime religion surrounds the honor-killing pit with its pious stench.
    The accused sinner is bound, and wrapped in burial white.
    Their “GIFT” is offered to God, yet each grip claims its own price.
    Allah’s sacrifice is lowered to elevate their pit’s veiled sin,
    as if, honor might rise unaware of what they truly intend.
    Every rock procured becomes seduced by the Quran’s deadly embrace.
    Her final breath assured when both weapons are fondled with eager disgrace.
    Remnants of truth remain shackled in silence
    as a knowing hush does cowardly submit.
    The first stone condemns and frees others to convict.
    Islam reveals its disgrace, inside each hideous scream.
    Haunting cries are never heard in the vast emptiness of this vile creed.
    Faith diseased, the tulip crafted from within sprouts its demonic weed.

    Three colors unleashed, in a hellish pit, with praise to God defiled in between;
    Another bloodied white shroud writhes beneath the veil of Islam’s soiled green.

    Flag of Iran

    White – peace and honesty
    Red – hardiness, bravery, strength & martyrs
    Green – life, hope, ‘Islam’
    wording — There is no deity but God

    http://www.vexillologymatters.org/iran-flag.htm
    The Red Tulip is a simple unpretentious flower.
    http://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2013/apr/23/politics-and-art-iran%E2%80%99s-revolutionary-tulips
    Wake up Huffington Post, Islam is not the solution; it’s the problem
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melody-moezzi/irans-red-tulip-revolutio_b_246949.html
    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/05/iran-rouhani-synagogue.html#

  6. Jovial Joe says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    A brave man. Can’t see anything less than a prison sentence for blasphemy. We need more such martyrs for the cause. As he said, he’s ready to die; a question I expect many of us will face if things carry on as they are.

  7. Wellington says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    Brave man. Powerful and damning statement by him. May he remain well, though the intolerance and hatred stored up in Islamic theology does not augur well for him—-in Turkey certainly but actually anywhere since Islam has a capacity to extend its hate and intolerance all over the world.

    Something else: I agree with Robert Spencer about Islam (or any totalitairan ideology) not being outlawed——in America. But in countries which have been dominated by a totalitarian ideology, as America has never been, and even though I am a lover of liberty, I can see why, for security purposes, a hideous belief system might have to be made illegal in such a nation. Tough call. Reasonable minds can differ on this one.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 7:15 pm

      Islam should not be outlawed; but Muslims should be outlawed.

      • Angemon says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 7:49 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “Islam should not be outlawed; but Muslims should be outlawed.”

        Why? If islam isn’t outlawed then being muslim is not a crime. But, of course, voegelinian will refuse to give a straight answer to such an easy question since it exposes his lack of logic, probably preferring to go on a long winded chicanery on how all muslims are out to get us, or how we can’t tell how which are out to get us so we must kick them all out instead.

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 8:11 pm

          I was about to comment on his comment with a simple “What?” to allow voeg to explain this, but then I thought that even he must realize how off-the-wall his statement was and figured I would just leave it alone.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 5:31 am

          I’ve already answered that I agree that ideas should not outlawed. But people who are killing us should. Are you really this superhumanly dense…?

        • Angemon says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 6:19 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “I’ve already answered that I agree that ideas should not outlawed. But people who are killing us should.”

          So being a muslim = killing you? You’re sounding more and more ‘desperado‘ with each post.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 6:35 am

          You know what voeg? Since this is Jihad Watch i’m going to quote from one of Robert’s books, “The Truth About Muhammad Founder of the World’s Most Intolerant Religion“:

          “Of course, even if the jihadists are right about Muhammad that does not mean that all or even most Muslims will not be law-abiding and opposed to terrorism. In Islam, as in every religious tradition, there is a spectrum of belief, knowledge, and fervor. One cannot be sure from anyone’s self-identification as a Muslim how much he knows about the Qur’an and the life of Muhammad. This is true particularly because Islam is an essentially Arabic religion; Muslims must learn the daily prayers and the Qur’an in Arabic, which is the language of Allah. To pray to him in another tongue is unacceptable. Since most Muslims today are not native Arabic speakers, and the Qur’an is in difficult, classical, seventh-century Arabic (and most English translations are in equally difficult ersatz King James Bible-like language), many Muslims, even those who are quite serious about their faith, have only a dim awareness of what these texts actually say.”

          (Robert and Mark, plase don’t sue me 🙂 )

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 11:49 am

          angemon wrote:

          So being a muslim = killing you? You’re sounding more and more ‘desperado‘ with each post.

          angemon is mocking the idea that Muslim = killing us. And the rest of you Jihad Watchers are okay with that arrogant dismissal of our concern? Wow. I’m stunned.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “angemon is mocking the idea that Muslim = killing us. And the rest of you Jihad Watchers are okay with that arrogant dismissal of our concern? Wow. I’m stunned.”

          Whoa, nice misrepresentation of what i said. Well, it wasn’t exactly nice, but you get my point. I’m guessing you’re still butthurt for not having anyone jumping to defend you and you must make stuff up to make me the bad guy. No numbnuts, I’m mocking you contorting like a boneless ell to avoid admitting you’re wrong. Anyone with a fully functioning brain can see that. BTW, how’s that half-brain you mentioned working out for you?

      • Angemon says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 8:01 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “Islam should not be outlawed; but Muslims should be outlawed.”

        Let’s try that “logic” on other things:

        Racism should not be outlawed; but racists should be outlawed.
        Communism should not be outlawed; but communists should be outlawed.
        Jaywalking should not be outlawed; but jaywalkers should be outlawed.
        Hunting should not be outlawed; but hunters should be outlawed.
        Bullfights should not be outlawed; but bullfighters should be outlawed.
        Christianity should not be outlawed; but Christians should be outlawed.
        Bank robberies should not be outlawed; but bank robbers should be outlawed.
        Pedophilia should not be outlawed; but pedophiles should be outlawed.
        Free speech should not be outlawed; but those who speak their minds should be outlawed.

        Do you get it now, numbnut? If you deem an action to be legal then you can’t penalize those who act upon it.

  8. Peter Buckley says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    Be in no doubt: the Internet will destroy Islam.

    P.S. Was this published anywhere else first?

    In any case, it should go “viral”……….

  9. DP111 says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    It would be wrong on many levels to outlaw Islam.

    First, we dont outlaw a system of ideas.
    Second, making Islam illegal, would lead to the charge, that we, as an open society, could not defeat Islam in the battle of ideas. By making Islam illegal, we have admitted defeat.

    However, what is definitely permissible are the following

    1. Ban Halal slaughter and meat, imported or otherwise, as it does not satisy the requiremnt of humane treatment of animals.

    2. Ban face coverings, as it violates the tenets of an open society, and security reasons.

    3. Ban FGM. Practioners to be deported.

    4. Preaching or practising Jihad violates the constitution of the US. No need to imprison – that is far too severe. Just deport, as that allows Muslims to practice Jihad where it is legal.

    5. Cousin marriages to be banned on grounds that it leads to birth defects. This places a burden on society.

    6. Storing weapons in a mosque – illegal. Deport to a place where such practices are allowed.

    7. Any attempt to restrict the freedom of any person to love and marry another person- illegal.

    Basically, allow Islam to exist, but make it difficult to practice it. Slowly, those Muslims who cannot abide with such restrictions, will leave of their own acord. The rest, including us, will be able to breathe more freely.

    • Peter Buckley says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 5:52 pm

      The irony is a good percentage of western muslims would probably agree with the outlawing of most of these.
      Muslim groups have already supported the banning of the veil.
      “Asian/African” women’s groups (who just happen to be muslims….) are supporting the outlawing of FGM.
      Most would probably support nos.5,6 & probably 7.
      Which leaves Halal food, which will probably be eventually outlawed on grounds of animal cruelty; and the preaching of jihad. This shouldn’t be a problem, as I expect the construction of new mosques to be illegal in the coming years, on the basis that “Propagating Islamic doctrine–in a free society–is contrary to law… It’s against civil and criminal law.” (Gavin Boby)

  10. Bob Smith says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    Muslims are trapped by Islam. If you can’t quit, criticize, or change Islam, you are trapped.

    Yes there are pleasant Muslims. But they are nothing more than camouflage to the real intents of Islam.

    In reality a small minority of the most devout control Islam. They read the violent passages and commit acts of violence in the name of Islam.

    Let me point out a study published by Scientists at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the July 22, 2011 online edition of the journal Physical Review E article titled “Social consensus through the influence of committed minorities” (http://news.rpi.edu/luwakkey/2902?destination=node/38887). This study found “that when just 10 percent of the population holds an unshakable belief, their belief will always be adopted by the majority of the society.

    My own belief is that when this study is applied to Islam the percentage necessary is reduced dramatically – maybe as low as 2-3%. Because Islam has an unseen army of devout believers willing to kill – if you don’t “believe”.

    In reality Islam is controlled by this small percentage (2-3%) of the population. Think of it. The entire population is controlled by a tiny unseen, religiously driven group of thugs.

    You can read my theory of how fear drives Islam at: http://islamsfatalflaw.blogspot.com/

  11. Tradewinds says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    If Islam is not made illegal, then Jihad will continue to flourish, and the West will continue to have attempted and successful Jihads.

    When you let in Muslims you let in Jihad, the central tenet of their ideology. Just as you let in honor killings and FGM.

    So, how do you get rid of Jihad if you don’t abolish Islam?

  12. jewdog says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    He’s the Turk that Obama will shirk. I hope the Ottoman Vampire doesn’t get him.

  13. sujith says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    Robert,

    I’m all for Free Speech and expression for decent law abiding citizens………..but was preaching and supporting Nazis and their allies during WW2 an acceptable practice ?

    If yes , then why were the japanese rounded up into camps ?

    Islam should be declared a terror cult and terror cults do not require or deserve any protection under Free Speech and they must be treated exactly the way they treat others.

    Definition of Terror Cult :
    Any organisation that calls for murder of non believers and actively engages in such practice resulting in minimum 10 such incidents / attacks in a year and that resulting in killing of more than 1000 ppl should be banned from all civilised societies

    Give them 3 choices

    1) Quit Islam the terror cult
    2) Quit the country and live in Islamic country as they are unfit to live
    in civil societies
    3) or get their citizenship , voting and all other civil rights rescinded and their properties to be confiscated and no job in Govt sector and No job in private sector that require direct contact with non cult members , No job in media

    Let them pay more taxes for being members of the cult.

    When the price of following the cult if high enough , you either will get them quitting their cult (Islam) or quitting the country.

    All this wooly brained talk about Free Speech , human rights to sub human terror cult members is the prime cause which will eventually destroy all civilised societies.

    Only country that can survive is already doing the right thing is – china and they are working on the same lines but doing it more aggressively .

    They have the Brightest chance of surviving the jihadi madness.

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 5:46 pm

      “Islam should be declared a terror cult and terror cults do not require or deserve any protection under Free Speech.”

      Pretty much agree with you, sujith.

      “Islam is a revolutionary faith that comes to destroy any government made by man. Islam doesn’t look for a nation to be in a better condition than another nation. Islam doesn’t care about the land or who owns the land. The goal of Islam is to rule the entire world and submit all of mankind to the faith of Islam. Any nation or power that gets in the way of that goal, Islam will fight and destroy. In order to fulfill that goal, Islam can use every power available every way it can be used to bring worldwide revolution. This is Jihad. ”

      -Sayeed Abdul A’la Maududi, ‘Jihad in Islam’

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 7:19 pm

      “If yes , then why were the japanese rounded up into camps ?”

      The U.S.A. (the President, Congress, the Supreme Court, and the American People) did not inter Japanese-Americans simply because they opposed the ideas of those Japanese-Americans, but because they had a reasonable suspicion that those Japanese-Americans would be actively dangerous in extending the violent war Japan (in alliance with Hitler) was waging against us.

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 7:41 pm

        Take a deep and think calm thoughts Deputy
        there is no need to set up internment camps.
        Will somebody please call Sheriff Andy Taylor?

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 7:42 pm

          Take a deep breath

    • Richie says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 1:28 am

      There are plenty of Muslims who ignore the violent parts of the Koran, and are mainly concerned with working and providing for their families- I have no problem with them, and dont feel they should be deported if they are immigrants, But any Muslims who engages in violence or calls for the murder or Jews or anyone else should be arrested for hate speech and if a foreign national, deported to country of origin

      I dont hate Muslims, I hate islam. I pray for Muslims to leave islam- in the end, the only ones who can end islam are x Muslims

      • Michael Copeland says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 7:31 am

        Muslims who “ignore the violent parts of the Koran” are failing to be muslims. In Sharia law they are classed as “hypocrites”, on a par with apostates, and have to be killed.

  14. SuperSwede says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    Mr Engin, what a brave man you are. Thank you for having the courage to write this article. Stay safe.

  15. PAthena says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    So-called “Islam” is inconsistent. How can God (“Allah”) be omnipotent, omniscient, and all-good (“merciful”) and then allow people not to believe in Him, e.g., atheists and Buddhists, to “wage war” against Him (how is that possible?), and so on. As Robert Spencer has argued in his book, Did Muhammed Exist?, Mohammedanism is a religion made up by Arab warriors, which is why it is so warlike.
    Among other things, the Koran is supposed to have been revealed to Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel, which we know because Mohammed said so. Now I had a Revelation, which is true because I said so, that the moon is made of green cheese.

  16. Gardener says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    Islam is indeed a crime against humanity, and its first victims are Muslims. I think that is why Muslims are so quick and ready to assume victimhood. On a subconscious level, they feel victimized, but in their search for the cause of their discomfort they incorrectly identify colonialism, crusades, Jews, racism, and so forth as the cause.

    For a Muslim to face up to the reality of Islam and to admit to oneself that Islam is the problem means to lose one’s identity. Hence the cognitive dissonance Muslims experience when Islam is called into question. Hence the scrambling for excuses and explanations that can convince the Muslims themselves that Islam is not the problem. And the explanations tend to be colonialism, crusades, Jews, racism, and so forth.

    When cultural Muslims refer to spurious arguments by Islamic apologists as a counterargument to brush aside direct quotes from the Qur’an and the hadiths, it is not that they are deliberately trying to to deceive the non-Muslims. They are desperately clinging to the hope that Islam is not the problem. When they repeat the talking points of Islamic apologists explaining how Islam is a religion of peace, their primary aim is to convince (delude) themselves and make the cognitive dissonance go away at least momentarily, which then removes the immediate threat to their identity and postpones the inevitable confrontation.

    Unlike most of the Muslim world, Turkey is a country where, thanks to militantly secularist strains, there are more Muslims who are not completely enslaved by their Muslim identity. That gives slightly more breathing space for the individual to break the chains of Islam. Nonetheless, it still means you have to turn your back on large parts of your cultural heritage and family. Families in any culture have members who seek to enforce tradition. In Muslim cultures the conservative members of the family are enforcers of Muslim identity, which brings along with it the whole can of worms that is the Qur’an and the hadiths.

    • Philosophy says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 3:13 am

      good job there, this is exactly where the problem is, and how do we make it easier for these people to have an identity outside of Islam will be the solution to the problem.

  17. Henry says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    Your courage Serkan Engin will be an inspiration to many who are oppressed, and to us on the outside looking in. Thank you, and may you keep safe.

  18. mary_gonzales says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    You will never ban anything about islam, for many of westerners support them, and the ugly is..this leftist even bring them home..
    So, the first act you might right to do is shut the leftist down by all it takes to do..why? Because it will be hard to fight enemy who loved by our own friend…

    Motto :
    “Beware…the real enemy is our housemate”

  19. Briars says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    Nazism was political ideology upholding a totalitarian governing system based on Socialism whereas Islam upholds a totalitarian governing system encased in a religion. That makes its evil intent and those wishing to expose its evil intentions having to deal with Islam’s religious garb as this brave gentleman has done. It was easier to expose, debate and solidify opposition to Nazism but Islam permeates itself in the very religious fiber of a free society and thus spills its poison for that free society. You must relate the brutality and tyranny of Islam to its religious texts as the primary warp minded motivation of its zealots and consider “moderate Muslims” only moderately infected by the disease.

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 6:39 pm

      “Islam upholds a totalitarian governing system encased in a religion”

      “The Qur’an contains open-ended statements calling for Muslims to wage war against all unbelievers. The Old Testament does not. What’s more, traditional Islamic theology holds those statements to be valid for all time. No Jewish or Christian group teaches anything similar on the basis of the Old Testament.”

      – Robert Spencer

      Which is why Islam is a menace to all non-Muslims.

  20. Annie Oakley says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    Robert,
    with greatest respect, I believe that communism WAS outlawed at one point during the Cold War and the US courts upheld it. The name of the court case escapes me now but the gist of the ruling was that while people in America were entitled to believe in communism, any effort (no matter how small) to act on that system of beliefs was indeed illegal.

    • Wellington says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 7:46 pm

      Communism, Annie Oakley, was never outlawed in America (even with the Smith Act). Some of the American Communist Party members who broke specific laws (including that monumental loser, Gus Hall, who ran for President four times) were arrested on occasion, but Communism (Marxism) was never made illegal in America. There was blacklisting, too, respecting employment of those who were thought to be sympathetic to Communist ideals, but this still never added up to Communism being made illegal.

      The same, I might add, should be done with Islam more or less (though the blacklisting part should be avoided more or less lest sappy liberals go on and on about the poor Muslims, as they of yore did with clueless Communist sympathizers——though they never would about poor KKK members or poor Neo-Nazi members, thus revealing a glaring double standard by which right-wing totalitarianism is, properly, excoriated but by which left-wing totalitarianism is, quite improperly, given a pass; in a truly free and sane society extremism of both the far right AND the far left should never be given a pass).

      America is capable of tolerating the legality of totalitarian and hateful ideologies like Nazism, the KKK, Marxism and Islam. What should never, ever, be tolerated is any of these losers, who adhere to any of these loser belief systems, breaking any American law in the name of their loser ideology. In short, America is strong enough to tolerate most any belief, but this doesn’t translate, never should translate, into America accepting egregious and illegal actions by losers who are adherents to these pathetic belief systems.

      One thing that still needs to be done in America is for Islam to be indentified as a loser, heinous ideology, one that only the confused or the malevolent adhere to, as with Marxism, Neo-Nazism, or the Ku Klux Klan. Not there yet. Getting there is the “great hump” which has yet to be scaled—–and never will be as long as a clueless man like Obama is occupying the Oval Office.

  21. WVinMN says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    Yeah, I don’t think so. I’m not ready to promote a guy with a fetish for Che Guevera simply because we agree on the issue of islam. I guarantee this chap equates national socialism with the “right”, and glosses over the 10’s of MILLIONS murdered during the 20th century at the hand of his comrades. These people would willingly trade one despot for another, just as long as they maintain a hand on the levers of power. So spare me the sympathy plea. I wan’t nothing to do with this guy.

    • Chabuco says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 7:58 pm

      “I wan’t nothing to do with this guy”—

      Ditto.. unless it’s a really old pic -‘crazy Enging in his youth in Paris or something’-. That Ernesto Guevara pic behind him and he’s wearing pins with Guevara’s image. I also checked his Twitter profile and he retweeted this https://twitter.com/dgtlresistance/status/494938112188239872 Chavez(now Maduro), Evo & Co. -ALBA- same people who happens to be friends with Hamas and the like. Retweets don’t always mean approval or endorsement btw but… you put two and two together. …

      Nazism, fascism, Islam = Haram. Communism = Halal? He needs to be forthcoming about it. Either all these bigoted, intolerant and hateful ideologies are ALL unacceptable or they’re ALL acceptable. No grey areas here.

      • Wellington says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 8:38 pm

        Chabuco: Ah, only read the statement, didn’t bother to look at the photo or the pins. Yes, I should have.

        Engin has some explaining to do. After all, trading one totalitarian ideology for another is a trade rooted in stupidity and ignorance, even malevolence, and does not advance the human condition whatsoever.

        • PJG says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 9:37 am

          So many Sudanese want to trade Islam for Communism too. Or worse, they want a combination of the two, in the name (they think) of “freedom”.

    • Wellington says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 8:05 pm

      I read this man’s statement above. Nowhere does he make mention of Che Guevera, who was indeed a murderous psychopath in the name of a totalitarian ideology (much like Mohammed). I also don’t get your contention that “this chap equates national socialism with the ‘right'” and the “hands of his comrades” stuff.

      Well, National Socialism had both leftist and rightist elements in it (the former almost entirely extirpated from NC after the Night of the Long Knives), but what the hell is your larger point? To say the least, you have been vague and accusatory with virtually no evidence.

      Your turn. Give it a shot—–if you can, if you dare.

      • WVinMN says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 8:39 pm

        Ummm…Check out the buttons and the background. And given that the left has spent every year post 1945 rewriting history regarding the ideological bent of the nazi party in an attempt to link said party with the right, I think its pretty safe to surmise that this particular marxist maintains a similar belief. Probably why he was willing to equate islam with the nazi’s (a perfectly logical comparison) in the first place. Try again, and this time try not to make a complete ass of yourself.

        • Wellington says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 8:50 pm

          My being an ass aside, as I already wrote you about the Nazis, after the Night of the Long Knives (June 1934), virtually no trace of leftism remained in the Nazi Party and so averring that the Nazis were on the left after 1934 is simply a mistake.

          Indeed, many wealthy capitalists made a hell of a lot of money under Nazi Germany by towing the Nazi line. Nazism was so muddled to begin with, respecting its ideas, that initially it could be said to have within its ranks both leftist and rightist elements, but not after 1934. One knows this or should know it.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 5, 2014 at 11:45 am

          “virtually no trace of leftism remained in the Nazi Party”

          Wellington is conflating “Leftism” with Communism; all the Nazis did was neutralize the wrong kind of Socialism. The Nazi-Communist conflict was more of a Sunni-Shia split rather than some epic struggle between Left and Right: i.e., it was really a protracted and bloody internecine conflict with the orbit of extreme Leftism (itself a Gnostic outburst). The narrative that tries to frame Nazism with the “Right” is part of the Communist subversion of the West beginning even before WW2, continuing through it with the help of Roosevelt’s Useful Idiocy, and then for decades after until our present. And its success may be measured by how even intelligent learned individuals like Wellington have bought into it.

      • Wellington says

        Aug 3, 2014 at 8:42 pm

        As I already wrote to Chabuco, WVinMN, I overlooked the visual evidence. Shouldn’t have. Mea culpa.

        • WVinMN says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 8:57 pm

          Sorry about the “ass” reference. I don’t need to go there with people like yourself.

        • WVinMN says

          Aug 3, 2014 at 8:57 pm

          Sorry about the “ass” reference. I don’t need to go there with people like yourself.

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 9:23 pm

      You are all overlooking the ‘visual semantics’ and taking things out of context.
      I suspect a bit of overreaction on the ‘Che Guevera’ thing
      Islam is so incredibly evil that there is no need to get into an equivalence debate over a poster.
      It may be more of an anti-establishment sentiment than a blanket endorsement.
      Have we so quickly forgotten all the ‘Che Guevera’ leftists in the West who instead eagerly grovel to appease Islam?
      Let him have his poster fetish as long as he eviscerates Islamic ideology.

  22. Jay Boo says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    “In any case, I may not agree with everything Serkan Engin says, but I will defend to the death his right to speak his mind. ”
    ——————————————–

    Has anyone seen the infamous Beheading Cartoon that uses a similar quote but in context of a letting an Islamist speak his mind?

    Here is one location
    http://kevin-conservativevoicetoday.blogspot.com/2009/06/arabic-christian-group-suing-dearborn.html

  23. Robbie says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    “Once a people grants to the government the power to declare certain ideas illegal, that power can be turned against good ideas, to the detriment of the people.”

    …to which he answers

    “Nazism was considered a legal and respectable ideology at the beginning of the 1930s, and then the world saw how dangerous Nazism was. Millions of people died because of Nazism, and today it is illegal to support Nazism in any civilized country. You can never make propaganda about Nazism legally. Today, Nazism is not considered as a genuine thought alternative, and it is not included in the freedom of thought and expression.”

    So outlawing an evil philosophy like Islam, which masquerades as a “religion” is not out of the question. In fact Nazism also masqueraded as a relition.

  24. Jaladhi says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Islam is not just an idea – it is a criminal death cult a la mafia and it should be outlawed and banned . there is no need for any discussion. we have seen its work during lkast 1400 years,. Muslims have committed the biggest genocide in this world – about 350 million non-Muslims world wide including more than 80 million Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, and other non -Muslims and we still want to discuss this “idea”. No time for discussion has long passed and now is the time for action Muslims cannot repeat their genocidal acts anymore!!

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 3, 2014 at 8:55 pm

      We would not even have to consider the option of banning Islam if its vile reality were not covered in layers of PC censorship.
      Islam is indefensible when revealed.

      As they author said “it is just a crime against humanity”

      • Richie says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 1:23 am

        I have no problem with the peaceful Muslims who ignore the violent parts of the Koran-But the ones who advocate murder and start fires need to be deported

        • sujith says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 3:19 am

          Phillip , Richie , you have Pretty daft idea about Islam and neither do you have Practical , non violent way to secure your country…..just make dumb statements that only help advance Islam and destroy civilised nations.

          Richie , if we follow your notion of islam and muslims…we should have allowed Major Hassan to continue as “moderate” muslim and wait till he kills 20 , 30, …or maybe 3000 ….before you declare him as terrorist ?

          This is the core reason Islam will takeover this country , except china…because they know how to treat a brutal cult and protect their law abiding citizens , other countries are just filled with loony fools like you guys

        • sujith says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 3:20 am

          Phillip , Richie , you have Pretty daft idea about Islam and neither do you have Practical , non violent way to secure your country…..just make dumb statements that only help advance Islam and destroy civilised nations.

          Richie , if we follow your notion of islam and muslims…we should have allowed Major Hassan to continue as “moderate” muslim and wait till he kills 20 , 30, …or maybe 3000 ….before you declare him as terrorist ?

          This is the core reason Islam will takeover this country , and other non muslim lands except china…because they know how to treat a brutal cult and protect their law abiding citizens , other countries are just filled with loony fools like you guys

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm

          Your posts aren’t infantile, sujith. You’re exactly right, all you’ve said. But, you know that.

      • Richie says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 1:23 am

        I have no problem with the peaceful Muslims who ignore the violent parts of the Koran-But the ones who advocate murder and start fires need to be deported

    • Nina says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 4:31 am

      Jaladhi said, “Muslims have committed the biggest genocide in this world- about 350 million non -Muslims world wide including more than 80 million Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and other non-Muslims”. Yes, and also Muslims are killing other Muslims, Muslims kill their own people, Islamists kill people in Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen and many other places, I agree what many people here, I think Muslims should either reform their religion or it should be outlawed, and if they want to reform they better do it quickly otherwise many other innocent people will die.

      • Jaladhi says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 10:25 am

        Nina, Islam cannot be reformed, and will never reform. For if it reforms the whole basis of this murderous cult disappears and it will not remain Islam. Have you ever heard any calls from any stripe of Muslims, even from those so called moderates . No Muslim will ever call for reforming Islam since it is perfect religion given by Mo/allah and such calls will be blasphemous.

        How do you expect any reformation when Muslims use such circuitous logic!!

        Islam will die if it is reformed or we can eradicate it from this planet if we don’t pay any attention to the disease of Political Correctness!!

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 1:56 am

          Unfortunately, PC is still resident inside the Counter-Jihad, as we can see from certain posters above.

  25. RaymondofCanada says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    Thank you for sharing this article by Serkan Engin with us. I wish, Robert, you had withheld your own opinion and let the article stand on its own. This man is speaking from true experience and endangerment to himself, and you have to run off about freedom of ideas and thought police. Give me a break. I didn’t appreciate your words in this regard, not at all.

  26. Myxlplik says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    More speech not less is required to defeat the menace of Islam. Seems people like Robert and Sekan, are the ones who get censored. If we want to avoid the tragedy of a draconian Islamic system or the fascist system which will rise to defeat it, all speech must be respected. Banning Robert or anyone like him from western countries, is a sure sign worse tyranny is on the horizon. Letting people like Robert and Sekan speak are a free societies only peaceful alternative.

    The fact that Robert has been banned from entering the UK, illustrates how late the hour is.

  27. zimriel says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    If he’s Laz, like the description says, he’s not a Turk. He’s kin to the Georgians.

    I wonder how widely his views are shared amongst the Laz. It’s a bit worrying given the Turkish record on how they handle ethnic minorities with whom they disagree.

  28. Richie says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    A very brave man. Total respect!!!

  29. Kerry John says

    Aug 3, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    ‘In any case, I may not agree with everything Serkan Engin says, but I will defend to the death his right to speak his mind.’

    Brave words Robert. Who’s death are you willing to give? His or yours?

  30. Ulrich Schmidt says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 1:49 am

    It should also be noted that I do not agree with Serkan Engin’s call for Islam to be outlawed.

    Maybe Serkan is right und you are wrong in this special case.

  31. The Islamist says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 2:40 am

    Robert Spencer, you should ask your mother if she has never met Serkan Engin’s father.

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 2:58 am

      unscrupulous TROLL

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 3:00 am

        @ The Islamist

    • Homer says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 3:04 am

      Islamist, maybe you should ask your mother why she didn’t teach you any politeness.

    • Homer says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 3:04 am

      Islamist, maybe you should ask your mother why she didn’t teach you any politeness.

    • flakmusic says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 4:22 pm

      How about you asking your mommie if she had met Serkan Engin father’s donkey about nine months before you were born.

      • flakmusic says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 4:24 pm

        the above was addressed to “The Islamist”

  32. Homer says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 2:55 am

    While it is good that Serkan Engin has left Islam, he obviously hasn’t left totalitarianism and insanity completely behind, for he is an admirer of Che Guevara.

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 3:04 am

      No Biggie
      As I mentioned above to another commenter who brought this up

      In the grand scheme of things —
      Islam is so incredibly evil that there is no need to get into an equivalence debate over a poster.
      It may be more of an anti-establishment sentiment than a blanket endorsement.
      Have we so quickly forgotten all the ‘Che Guevera’ leftists in the West who instead eagerly grovel to appease Islam?
      Let him have his poster fetish as long as he eviscerates Islamic ideology.

      • Homer says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 3:08 am

        OK, I get your point.

  33. chrisleo says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 4:02 am

    Serkan Engin, you’re a brave man. Thank you for having the courage to write the truth about Islam, I hope that this article will be picked up by the main stream media, but doubt it, as I feel we’re all fed a diet of bull shit by them. The global community seems aghast at the casualties occurring in Gaza, hence the pro Palestinian demos all over the planet, but it doesn’t or won’t pick up on the killing and butchery in Syria where the true brutality is happening. Its true that a picture tells a thousand words, and a child with a blood stained body in very emotive and evocative to say the least, however, in reality, its just a veil Islam is hiding behind, when the truth is its something more akin to Nazism, unfortunately for the vast majority of us our eyes are still closed to the threat just as they were in 1930’s Europe. Thank you again Serkan.

  34. S R Wakankar says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 8:07 am

    The whole problem is due to our mixing Islam with Arab Islam which is only a brand of Islam, not its whole or totality.
    True,real authentic Islam is the great ancient indigenous religious/cultural/spiritual tradition of non-Arab Asia (ie Hindu India) which is the real face of Islam, though “Islam” word might not be there because this whole non-Arabic, but real Islam is found only there.
    This ancient tradition of Hindu Islam need to be researched into afresh and discovered again. AfPak region is its place of birth. Its language is Sanskrit and it is non-Koranik and non-Mohammedan.
    Hindu Islam is the answer to all the problems we are facing today.

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 8:58 am

      Uh, I don’t think so.

    • Jaladhi says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 9:24 am

      There is no Hindu Islam. Period!! Islam is Islam and it is same all over the world. All Muslims follow the same Quran and its murderous teachings and go on killing all over the world. They have done it for last 1400 years and they are doing it now in every part of the world where they don’t fear any resistance, retaliation. That is the only way to conttain Islam – confront it pay it back in the same coin as they do non-Muslims.

      Islam has to be eradicated from the face of this earth – it has no redeeming value – just a murderous criminal cult!!

      • Tradewinds says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 9:51 am

        Exactly right.

    • Jaladhi says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 9:30 am

      >”This ancient tradition of Hindu Islam need to be researched into afresh and discovered again. AfPak region is its place of birth. Its language is Sanskrit and it is non-Koranik and non-Mohammedan.”

      Totally insane baseless statement. Sanskrit and Arabic has nothing common. The roots of the world Islam are in Arabic and not in Sanskrit. Lots of Arabic scholars on this site can confirm it.

      • Tradewinds says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 9:52 am

        Exactly right.

      • Jaladhi says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 10:28 am

        typo:

        Totally insane baseless statement. Sanskrit and Arabic have nothing in common. The roots of the word Islam are in Arabic and not in Sanskrit. Lots of Arabic scholars on this site can confirm it.

    • Angemon says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 10:21 am

      S R Wakankar posted:

      “The whole problem is due to our mixing Islam with Arab Islam which is only a brand of Islam, not its whole or totality.
      True,real authentic Islam is the great ancient indigenous religious/cultural/spiritual tradition of non-Arab Asia (ie Hindu India) which is the real face of Islam, though “Islam” word might not be there because this whole non-Arabic, but real Islam is found only there.
      ”

      Humm, no. Islam IS an arabic religion. It was started in Arabia by arabs. Earlier I quoted this bit from Robert Spencer’s “The Truth About Muhammad”:

      “This is true particularly because Islam is an essentially Arabic religion; Muslims must learn the daily prayers and the Qur’an in Arabic, which is the language of Allah. To pray to him in another tongue is unacceptable.”

      I know people from Pakistan who think along that line of thought – arabs ruined islam – but facts are facts. Islam is an arabic religion brought by an arab for arabs.

      “This ancient tradition of Hindu Islam need to be researched into afresh and discovered again. AfPak region is its place of birth. Its language is Sanskrit and it is non-Koranik and non-Mohammedan.
      Hindu Islam is the answer to all the problems we are facing today.
      ”

      You can argue that wahabism, salafism or any other sect of islam is not the “true” islam, but you need to do so based on accepted islamic sources, not on outside sources. Also, what’s islam without the quran or muhammad?

    • Chabuco says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 4:52 pm

      Err… NO! There’s only one Islam. Cool attempt at historic revisionism tho!

      http://is.gd/ekN1ZK
      http://is.gd/aI1P1J

  35. Silvia says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 8:20 am

    I can only hope nobody hurts or kills Serkan Engin. It takes a lot of courage to say the truth when you’re in the eye of the storm. The world needs brave people like Serkan Engin ALIVE. I’m afraid that a cowardly western world the kind we have today, will not appreciate his bravery or his sacrifice if something bad happens to him.

    How can it be we learned nothing from the two most devastating WW’s the world has ever seen???? How come we’ve learned nothing from 70 years of the Communistic terror?

  36. Citizen Concerned says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Please we cannot alienate 1.3 billion people (i.e., Moslem world community) as all following a “Nazi” like religion, surely there are moderate Moslems and a position for a secular based moderate Islam is possible thru selective readings of the Quran and Hadith.

    Turkey had a secular Islam up until the rise of Ergodan. Correct?

    Otherwise, the points are well taken, but all religions are subject to interpretation.

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 11:22 am

      The Demographic Jihad needs to be contained.

      Also, there is no way to tell a “moderate” Muslim from a potential Jihadist. Nidal Hasan of the Ft. Hood Jihad was supposed to be the epitome of a “moderate” Muslim and look what happened – he became a mass-murdering Allahu akbar-shouting Jihadist.

      It’s the Muslims and their mass-murder “religion” who alienate everybody.

      • Angemon says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 3:32 pm

        Tradewinds posted:

        “ Nidal Hasan of the Ft. Hood Jihad was supposed to be the epitome of a “moderate” Muslim and look what happened – he became a mass-murdering Allahu akbar-shouting Jihadist. ”

        No, Hassan was promoted as a moderate by military officers who didn’t want to end their career with a charge of “islamophobia” and as such ignored his power point presentations who got his colleagues to wonder if he wouldn’t become a jihadi himself and the reports of him contacting terrorists.

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 5:14 pm

          Hasan was regarded as a “moderate” Muslim in the U.S. Army and still he became a mass-murdering Jihadist.

          Due to the Jihad doctrine in Islam which commands Muslims to kill non-Muslims (“infidels” “unbelievers”) all Muslims are potential Jihadists. Any Muslim can obey Allah and “Go Jihad” at any time, as Hasan did.

          “There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate. And as long as Islam is not, and never can be, moderate, there is a danger that any “moderate” Muslim will become, for any number of reasons out of the control of Infidels, an immoderate Muslim, with all the dangers that implies for the world’s Infidels.” – Ibn Warraq

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 2:01 am

          Yep Tradewinds. But unfortunately you and I seem to be a minority in the Counter-Jihad still.

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 8:19 am

          Voegelinian, it’s a shame you’re constantly attacked by the two foul-mouthed abusers who aren’t as smart as they think they are. You are obviously very intelligent and informed on the subject of what to do about Islam. Which is the early 21st century’s foremost question: What do we do about Islam??

        • Angemon says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 10:11 am

          Tradewinds posted:

          “Voegelinian, it’s a shame you’re constantly attacked by the two foul-mouthed abusers who aren’t as smart as they think they are”

          Well, that’s what happens when one tries hard enough to be unpopular. Voeg brought it upon himself. For example, rather than giving a straight answer to some questions i made regarding his “total deportation” theory he beat around the bush, dodged the questions and then claimed I either was “a troll” or had “brain damage”. Not only that, he brought up both me and Philip out of nowhere on several topics to misrepresent our positions, and he acted like a spoiled child because other JW regulars didn’t come out to defend him, as if they were obliged to do so. You may not like the way me or PJ address him but if you think he’s an innocent victim and we’re a couple of bullies then you don’t know the whole story.

          If you want to agree with him that the only solution is to deport all muslims (including native converts), or outlaw islam, or not outlaw islam and outlaw muslims instead, good for you. I, for one, wholeheartedly agree with PJ, DP111(“making Islam illegal, would lead to the charge, that we, as an open society, could not defeat Islam in the battle of ideas“) and Wellington (“ free society doesn’t have to ban an ideology that would destroy free societies if only given the chance. A free society just has to properly identify a freedom-crushing ideology as a freedom-crushing ideology. After that, freedom will marginalize that ideology and it will no longer be a threat. Damn trouble is that Islam right now is still looked upon by Western elites as something good. Herein lies the real mistake“). I believe that the solution to the islamic issue is full awareness of islam: let everyone know that misogynist, homophobic, supremacist, jizya extorting, thought-crushing, apostate-killing, child-raping, limb chopping, throat slitting islam is the true nature of islam and supported by the average muslim in any given muslim country instead of the “distorted version from a minority of extremists” islamic apologists claim and the problem will solve itself.

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 8:26 am

          Voeg, how do you get to the newer comments on this long thread?

  37. Anthony Mundane says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 9:29 am

    al-Insān al-Kāmil. It is herein that lay the groundwork for the primitive, regressive and ultimately destructive desires and notions that lurk the void of every Muslim mind.

    Translating literally to “the man who has reached perfection”, al-Insān al-Kāmil is an Arabic phrase that is colloquially and exclusively used to describe the Islamic Prophet Muhammad as the perfect human being. More than just a phrase, though, it stands as a crucible of Islamic doctrine and one that each and every single Muslim on Earth inherently adheres to. Indeed, it is this caveat of the Muslim identity in which the very idea of there being a moderate Muslim often begins to unravel.

    The rest can be read here: http://debellation.com/2014/08/02/no-moderate-muslim/

  38. Guest says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 9:35 am

    In Turkey one has to become a socialist and an atheist to see the light about Islam or Islamism (a term used to give the benefit of the doubt). The general public would not be able to read a Christian or Jewish Bible in the course of their normal lives. They would not be found in libraries or bookshops and would not be mentioned or discussed in textbooks or at schools, colleges or universities. On rare occasions Christian missionaries would make their ‘New Testament’ available, but they would present it with their dogma. The government, especially the current one, would ridicule and stifle any criticism with ad hominem arguments to provoke public anger, calling people not-Turkish (for example the writer is Laz), Socialist, Communist, infidel or apostate. One would be observing daily that the country is gaining speed down a slippery slope towards the time when every sign of courtesy shall be dropped and men and women will begin practicing openly and without compunction the unspeakable horrors and barbarities briefly outlined in the piece. And then, probably, most people in the West would still be continuing arguing about the rules of argument, who said what, to whom, etcetera, etcetera. The message of the piece is one of despair but maybe some of the comments are making the picture even darker.

  39. Predictot says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 10:19 am

    I did not know that there are (not indoctrinated) realists at the Muslims groups. My compliments!

  40. Lord Saint Fire says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 11:19 am

    I totally disagree with Spencer’s commentary. Islam NEEDS to be made illegal!

    If we don’t ban it then it will never stop. Islam won’t stop hurting people unless it’s made extinct. I support the ideas of this poet 100%.

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 2:50 pm

      Agree. The only way to stop Islam and it’s Jihad doctrine is to eradicate it. Like the bubonic plague.

      • sujith says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 2:16 am

        Right …..its a mental plague that kills the non infected more than the infected….so its 1000 times more deadlier than any known disease.

    • Wellington says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 7:28 pm

      Robert Spencer is correct about Islam being kept legal, at least in America. Besides, there is no way under the American Constitution that Islam could be made illegal. NO WAY!

      But here is what needs to occur: Islam eventually (hopefully sooner rather than later) should be seen for what it is, to wit, a hateful ideology like Nazism and Marxism (both of which, in America, are also not illegal). It should be allowed to exist but its followers, like followers of other loser belief systems, need to be seen as the confused, screwed-up people they really are. A free society, then, will take care of the rest, just as it has with the KKK, Neo-Nazis, anarchists, Marixists, et al.

      You see, a free society doesn’t have to ban an ideology that would destroy free societies if only given the chance. A free society just has to properly identify a freedom-crushing ideology as a freedom-crushing ideology. After that, freedom will marginalize that ideology and it will no longer be a threat. Damn trouble is that Islam right now is still looked upon by Western elites as something good. Herein lies the real mistake.

      • Lord Saint Fire says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 2:12 pm

        Well said…

        Then I guess we’d have to stop the leftist lapdogs (as Geller calls them) from propagating this fallacy that accepting and pandering to Islam is some form of multiculturalism and tolerance.

  41. Ron Lovelace says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Not all Muslims are terrorists..BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIM!!

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 2:51 pm

      Islam – the “religion” of Terrorism.

      • Wellington says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 10:04 pm

        Tradewinds, Islam does not have to be made illegal; it only has to be shamed and shown for what it is, rather like Nazism and Marxism, two other totalitarian ideologies which were never made illegal in America.

        And as for jihad continuing if Islam is not made illegal, no it won’t continue except in pathetic and innocuous bits and pieces as long as any Muslim violating American law in pursuit of jihad is prosecuted forthwith, just as Marxists, KKK members and Aryan Nation types can believe whatever they want, but if they break American law in pursuit of their warped belief system, then they are charged accordingly.

        Proper identification of evil in a free society is all that is necessary (and, anyway, under American constitutional law Islam simply can’t be made illegal—–one knows this or should know it). So far the real problem has been that proper identification has not occurred. Once Islam is viewed as a negative, rather than as a postive or a neutral, things will take care of themselves here in America where Islam is concerned. Muslims henceforth will be looked upon by the vast majority of Americans the way fascists and Communists are, i.e., total losers. Don’t underestimate the power of opprobrium in a free society manifested towards losers. It marginalizes and defangs them most effectively.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 5, 2014 at 7:22 am

          Hello.

          I’m Angemon and i agree with this post.

  42. Uncle Vladdi says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    Re: “The criminalizing of thought is a hallmark of the totalitarian state.”

    Sorry, Robert, but I must agree with Serkan Engin’s call for Islam to be outlawed.

    In the U.S., at least (to say nothing of Turkey or elsewhere), we DO INDEED outlaw ideas, and do indeed employ Thought Police:

    Issuing Death-Threats is illegal. So is inciting riots (aka “hate-crimes” these days).

    Especially when those calls to violence are not in defense of innocents, but are in aid of promoting an intolerant, us-versus-them, might-makes-right crime-creed.

    It’s high time you realized that without “muslims,” there can be no “islam;” and that, exactly like with the National Socialists of the past, there are no “good nazis.”

    There are no “good” muslims, Robert.

    BAN ISLAM!

    • Wellington says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 10:37 pm

      Anyone who thinks Islam can be banned in America is, quite frankly, deeply ignorant of American constitutional law. And I write this as the lawyer I am.

      • Champ says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 10:44 pm

        Agreed, Wellington! …and I state this as one who completely abhors evil islam and all its horrors.

        Bravo!

        • Uncle Vladdi says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 11:03 pm

          Everything muslims pretend to consider their holy religious rights, are already crimes which are all specifically already banned by civilized American law.

          The only thing not banned (yet) is the name of the crime-creed itself, and even so only because the First Amendment didn’t bother to define that “religion” which it protects from itself.

          And the only reason no judges have yet condemned it, is racism.

          Imagine is any given Tony, Guido or Nuncio of the Mafia dared try this on a judge:

          “Your Honor, Sure, you caught us red-handed, and we admit to all those murders, arsons, rapes, and robberies you’ve accused us of.

          BUT we don’t care, you see – because you have no jurisdiction over us. So we wil proudly commit them again, and again, and you can’t stop us! Why, you ask? It’s simple, really, because:

          GOD TOLD US TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES!

          (CAPISCE?)!”

          😉

          Such audacious alibit excuse attempts wouldn’t work at all for the Mafia’s “mafiosis,” so why does they currently work so well for Islam’s “muslims”?!

      • Uncle Vladdi says

        Aug 4, 2014 at 10:48 pm

        It should never be allowed by backwards people to be considered “illegal” to accuse these criminals (moslems) of their crimes, allegedly because the painful truth might offend them or hurt their feelings, and so “make” them commit even more crimes!

        No problem was ever solved by ignoring it, and nobody is doing even these moslems any favours, by indulging their historic lies that islam is a “religion” (at all, much less one “of peace”) or a “race” (much less one of poor oppressed People Of Colour”)!

        Pretending there is NOT a Muslim problem but only a white racist problem accepting diversity, is criminally negligent TREASON.

        ALL moslems are criminals: by their own rules, they must endorse in public every word in the Qur’an, which tells them that they are so “superior” to all non-moslems, that it’s not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-moslems in the world, simply for the “crime” of not being moslems.

        So the Qur’an is a clearly-written, us-versus-them hate-crime book, endorsing a permanent might-makes-right death-threat.

        ALL muslims are criminals, as being members of the ancient, ongoing global extortion racket called islam. In sharia law texts, muslims are SUPPOSED to be regarded as threats (as “objects of fear”) by all the unbelievers, whether or not the individual muslim has itself actually committed any crimes.

        That’s why we have laws against simply being a MEMBER of a crime-gang or ‘criminal enterprise’ because their membership endorses the inherent threat. Threats are crimes in themselves: they are psychological attacks, also known as intimidation, bullying, coercion, duress, harrassment, activist agitation, extortion, and “terrorism.”

        And even any “only” attempted crimes are still considered by civilized people to be crimes.

        Here’s islam’s “holy Message from god” as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it’s Founder:

        “I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me – and you can, too!”

        – Muhammad –

        Muhammad was really only a con-man and bandit-king, an arch-criminal who always blamed “god” for his own penchant for committing crimes. If Moe got away with committing a crime (and he tried them all, enthusiastically, more than once, but instead of ever showing contrition, bragged about how much fun it was to commit them, and advised everyone else to join in the fun, too), then it was held to be “obvious” that “god” wanted him to get away with having committed those crimes!

        And they’ve acted on it, too: according to their own Eastern histories, islam has an official 1,400 year history of “holy” lies, extortions, robberies, tortures, arsons, kindappings, slaveries, rapes and 270 million murders (that’s OVER A QUARTER-BILLION INNOCENTS SACRIFICED TO ALLAH, so far – it’s a larger death-tally than that of EVERYONE ELSE, both secular and religious, COMBINED, and with an historical average of less than 1% of the global population to have committed it with, too)!

        So, simply and precisely because of their “THOU SHALT KILL!” cultural indoctrination, moslems are still from between four and several hundred times more likely to engage in murder and all other crimes, than everyone else in the world!

        So, islam is not a “religion” (at all, much less one “of peace”) nor is it a “race” (at all, much less one of “Poor, Oppressed, People Of Colour”)!

        Obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it, is where they say:

        “God told us to commit these crimes!”

        (Capisce?)!

        😉

        We should simply BAN ISLAM – because everything moslems pretend to consider “holy” is already a crime!

        ;-(

        The Qur’an clearly and specifically tells muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians and Jews are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their “crime” of not being muslims.

        So, if and when you consider islam to be a “religion,” you must agree with it’s main tenet: that God is a violent murderer who wants his muslim tribe to violently conquer the world by extorting, enslaving, and murdering all the non-muslim humans, right?

        Bottom line: If you decide to believe in “allah,” you have declared yourself a criminal, and so must be arrested, indicted, tried and convicted. Your confession of “faith” in your crime-god will help us to do so.

        • Tradewinds says

          Aug 4, 2014 at 11:10 pm

          Vlad, you’re very knowledgeable about Islam, a Terrorist organization for 1400 years.

          Muslims believe that they have a divine responsibility to wage war (Jihad) against those who do not share their creed, impose institutional inequality upon women and disbelievers, and extinguish freedom of speech about Islam/Mohamet/Qur’an.

          Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam is ascendant it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct.

          We must learn the doctrine of political Islam to survive. The doctrine is very clear that all forms of force and persuasion may and must be used to conquer us. Islam is a self-declared enemy of all unbelievers. The brilliant Chinese philosopher of war, Sun Tzu, had the dictum—know the enemy. We must know the Jihad doctrine of our enemy or be annihilated.

          You can’t stop Jihad if you don’t stop Islam.

  43. Elisheva14 says

    Aug 4, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    I think the first step is for all countries to acknowledge that Islam is a violent religion. It is a religion of hate. The West is in denial and allowing this cancer to grow. Israel is the only country fighting to defend itself against Islam and has no support. The UN is worthless.

    I think it is great that there are some brave souls who are speaking up and this man needs to embraced. We need to help him to get a better life and get his thoughts to others. Any Death Cult is dangerous and needs to accepted as dangerous.

    • Uncle Vladdi says

      Aug 4, 2014 at 10:51 pm

      All criminals are cowardly, victim-blaming masochists, always anticipating the worst-case scenarios and so wanting to cause them first themselves, in order to be able to pretend to “control” their fates.

      Muhammad pretended he could control his fate by acting as a self-fulfilling prophet of god-as-extortion.

      How much of a scholar does anyone have to be to realize islam is only a big example of the critical thinking logical fallacy known as the Argumentum Tu Quoque (or psychological “projection”) used by Muhammad the Liar as his #1 alibi-excuse for his many crimes:

      “Muhammad isn’t an evil criminal because “god” does it, too!”

      Muhammad’s excuse is that, since “god” allows, enables and condones evil to exist, He is also thereby actually committing all those evil acts, because He is both omniscient and omnipotent. “Therefore” all Muhammad’s crimes are really “god’s” crimes!

      Here’s islam’s “holy Message from god” as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it’s Founder:

      “I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me – and you can, too!”

      – Muhammad –

      Muhammad was really only a con-man and bandit-king, an arch-criminal who always blamed “god” for his own penchant for committing crimes. If Moe got away with committing a crime (and he tried them all, enthusiastically, more than once, but instead of ever showing contrition, bragged about how much fun it was to commit them, and advised everyone else to join in the fun, too), then it was held to be “obvious” that “god” wanted him to get away with having committed those crimes!

      So, simply and precisely because of their “THOU SHALT KILL!” cultural indoctrination, moslems are still from between four and several hundred times more likely to engage in murder and all other crimes, than everyone else in the world!

      So, islam is not a “religion” (at all, much less one “of peace”) nor is it a “race” (at all, much less one of “Poor, Oppressed, People Of Colour”)!

      Obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it, is where they say:

      “God told us to commit these crimes!”

      (Capisce?)!

      😉

  44. Semeru says

    Aug 5, 2014 at 4:28 am

    Firstly, the photo with this guy made me cringe before I even started reading.

    I just do not to have anything do with who wear t-shirts or buttons of the Che the Butcher.

    What made me cringe even more was R Spencer,s comment

    I do not agree with Serkan Engin’s call for Islam to be outlawed

    I do not know much about the constitution, the law or the bible, I may not be able to write to good, But I do know Islam well enough to know that if it is not eradicated, then some where down the line there will be no constitution, no law and definitely no bible. Somewhere down the line 50yrs, 100yrs, 200yrs your ancestors will be bowing to the East.

    One only has to look at history, Genghis Khan, a confederation of nomadic tribes which had already conquered China now attacked the Muslims. In 1220 they took Samarkand and Bukhara. By mid-century they had taken Russia, Central Europe, northern Iran, and the Caucuses, and in 1258, under Hulagu Khan they invaded Baghdad and put an end to the remnants of the once-glorious ‘Abbasid Empire.

    The mongols had more or less wiped out islam, but the mongols where nomads and did not occupy the cities so islam was able to survive from near extinction, in fact islam is so resilient that it not only recover, but induced the mongols to convert to islam with the conversion of Berke Khan, the grandson of Genghis Khan

    During his travels back towards the Mongol homeland, he stopped in Bukhara where he questioned local Muslims about their beliefs. He was convinced of the message of Islam and converted, becoming the first Mongol leader to accept Islam. After his conversion, many of the soldiers in his army also converted, leading to tension with the other Mongol armies, who were ravaging Muslim lands, including the ancient capital of the Abbasids, Baghdad.

    After hearing of the sack of Baghdad in 1258 by his cousin, Hulagu Khan, Berke promised vengance, declaring, “He (Hulagu) has sacked all the cities of the Muslims, and has brought about the death of the Caliph. With the help of God I will call him to account for so much innocent blood.” By allying with the Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt, Berke managed to hold back Hulagu’s army enough to prevent a major invasion (and destruction) of the remainder of Muslim lands in Egypt, Syria, and the Hijaz.

    So from near obliteration in the mid 1200 the to be feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe a hundred years later when Timur Lanes military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population, leading to a predominantly barbaric legacy.

    If Islam is not stopped now, then things are going to be very dark for our ancestors.

    • Angemon says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 7:10 am

      “If Islam is not stopped now, then things are going to be very dark for our ancestors.”

      Things are going to be very dark to the people who lived before us? Care to explain that?

  45. Semeru says

    Aug 5, 2014 at 7:21 am

    “If Islam is not stopped now, then things are going to be very dark for our descendants ”

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 5, 2014 at 8:24 am

      Agree, Semeru:

      “What made me cringe even more was R Spencer’s comment:

      I do not agree with Serkan Engin’s call for Islam to be outlawed.

      I do not know much about the constitution, the law or the bible, I may not be able to write too good, But I do know Islam well enough to know that if it is not eradicated, then somewhere down the line there will be no constitution, no law and definitely no bible. Somewhere down the line 50yrs, 100yrs, 200yrs your descendants will be bowing to the East. ”

      ***

      Yes, I believe you’re talking about this fact:

      Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam is ascendant it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct.

      The above is happening right now in the European countries. Muslim conquest begins with immigration, and the Europeans have let in millions and millions of polygamous over-populating Muslims. Here’s what Gaddafi said about Islam in Europe:

      ‘We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe – without swords, without guns, without conquest. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.’

      If the Europeans want to preserve their historical and cultural identity and heritage they should be deporting Muslims and ending Muslim immigration. Otherwise they’ll all be Muslims in about 100 years.

      • Wellington says

        Aug 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm

        Tradewinds: Islam may indeed have to be banned in certain nations, as I indicated in my 4:55 P.M., August 3rd post on this thread. But in America this is neither necessary nor constitutionally possible. It is to the matter of American constitutional and statutory law that I was addressing all those who think Islam should be banned in America———ain’t gonna’ happen, nor does it need to.

        I should also note that the United States Supreme Court has made a distinction between “threats” and “true threats,” for instance in the 1969 Watts decision. The former are protected under the First Amendment. The latter are not.

        Reining in Islam in America is quite possible without ever making it illegal. “All” that needs to be done is to identify Islam as a negative and warn all Muslims in America that the breaking of any American law in the name of Islam will be dealt with to the maximum extent of the law. Doing so will be more than sufficient and will serve as a testimony to the power of American liberty to quash all those who would end such liberty, as Thomas Jefferson mentioned in his first inaugural address in 1801.

        • Semeru says

          Aug 6, 2014 at 8:21 am

          No wellington, the constution as you describe it is not going the hold islam in check. Islam can take over without breaking any laws. All it need to do is target the schools and universities with dawa, and it generation will slowly but surely become more and more tolerant towards islam until one day islam have gain enough support the either change or abolish the constitution.

  46. Saka says

    Aug 6, 2014 at 6:38 am

    Bible endorses
    genocide, from 1 Samuel 15:3: “This is what
    the Lord Almighty says … ‘Now go and strike
    Amalek and devote to destruction all that they
    have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and
    woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel
    and donkey.’ “

    • Tradewinds says

      Aug 6, 2014 at 9:11 am

      Oh just can it, Muslim. That episode in the OT was one event, long, long, long, since over.

      Whereas, the Koran contains open-ended, for-all-time, eternal commands to kill the unbelievers until Islam dominates. Jihad is eternal until Islam rules. So much for your “equivalency.”

    • Jovial Joe says

      Aug 6, 2014 at 9:44 am

      Notice that the Biblical verse you cite is an historical account, not an open-ended command as you will find in Islamic texts such as ‘kill the unbelievers wherever you find them’. Please learn the difference;
      Islam is not like any other religion; that’s why there have been tens if thousands of terrorist atrocities committed in the name of Islam since 9/11 and next to no Christian attacks.

      • Tradewinds says

        Aug 6, 2014 at 3:11 pm

        There can’t be any Christian attacks as Christianity never says to kill unbelievers until Christianity rules.

        Only Islam has that directive, called Jihad, courtesy their moon deity, which is really Warlord Mohamet. See: Koran and Hadiths for “Kill the Infidels” commands.

  47. ANNE says

    Aug 6, 2014 at 7:53 am

    A very brave man!

  48. Winged Hussar 1683 says

    Aug 6, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Islamism = Nazism with Religious Rituals

    Both ideologies share numerous major features:
    (1) Their founders created the ideologies to get their followers to kill and die for them.
    • This alone is not enough to condemn Islamism, because the track records of Judaism (e.g. as shown in the Old Testament) and Christianity (e.g. Inquisition, Thirty Years War) were once not much better. The key word is “were” as opposed to “are.” There is only one purported religion that has, during the past couple of hundred years, used theology to justify genocide, rape, and human trafficking.
    (2) Their founders wrote books, Mein Kampf and the Koran respectively, that embody the ideologies and justify aggressive warfare against those deemed inferior. Here is but one of many examples from the latter.
    • Sura 9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax [jizya, dhimmi tax] in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
    (3) Both ideologies claim the right to rule the entire world, as in “Today Germany, tomorrow the world” and “Islam will dominate the world.”
    • Here is a video of a demonstration in London where Islamists say they will rule the world, call for the bombing of Denmark, and add that they will take infidel women as war booty. The demonstration adds threats of another 7/7, the terrorist subway bombings in the UK.
    • The context of the Takbir (Arabic for “Allah akbar!”) in this demonstration comes across like the “Heil Hitler!” of the 1930s.
    (4) Both ideologies define their own members as racially or religiously superior Herrenvolk; the Master Race. These are Aryans and the Dar-al-Islam (House of Islam) respectively, and the latter encompasses only the “right” kinds of Muslims.
    (5) Both ideologies define outsiders as Untermenschen (subhumans) whom the Master Race is free to kill, rape, rob, and/or enslave. Nazism defined Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, homosexuals, and Black people as Untermenschen. Islamism’s kafirs or infidels include Jews, Christians, Hindus, Baha’is, and the wrong kinds of Muslims. Sunnis regard Shiites as Untermenschen, and vice versa.
    • Kafirs and infidels are all part of the Dar-al-Harb (House of War), which means Islamism has openly declared war on the entire non-Islamic world. This includes, of course, the wrong kinds of Muslims.
    • ISIS demands the jizya, a tax paid by infidels for the privilege of remaining alive in the Dar-al-Islam, from Christians in Iraq. When the Christians can’t or won’t pay, Islamists rape their female family members. The reference adds that Islamists use Christian women the same way Imperial Japan used Koreans as what they called “comfort women.”
    • Islamists claim, and often exercise, the right to rape infidel women in North America, Europe, and Australia. “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred.”
    (6) Both ideologies slate certain people for Sonderbehandlung (special treatment, i.e. extermination). The Nazis applied this to special needs children, and here is an example of Sonderbehandlung of gay people in Iran.
    (7) Both ideologies need not honor their agreements with Untermenschen. Examples include Hitler’s violation of his peace agreements, and the Islamist hudna (temporary or phony peace). Hamas has proven itself incapable of honoring its hudnas for more than a few hours.
    (8) Both ideologies identify property of Untermenschen with yellow Stars of David or the Arabic symbol nun (Nazarene, Christian) for expropriation or looting.
    (9) Both ideologies exterminate Untermenschen, and then bury them in mass graves. Nazi concentration camps, mass graves of Armenian victims of the Turkish genocide of 1915, and the current conduct of ISIS are all examples.
    (10) Both ideologies are totally incompatible with civil liberties, and Islamist demonstrators proclaim openly, “Freedom go to Hell.” As shown by Freedom House’s Map of Freedom:
    • Almost all Christian-majority nations outside the former Soviet Union are rated as Free.
    • The world’s only Jewish-majority nation is also the only Free nation in the entire Middle East.
    • The world’s only Hindu-majority nation is the world’s largest democracy.
    • NO Muslim-majority nation is rated better than Partly Free.

    The only significant difference between Nazism and Islamism is, in fact, that Nazism recognized Aryan women as Herrenvolk, while Islamism treats Muslim women as chattel property. Muslim women can be sold by their male “owners,” subjected to female genital mutilation, and stoned to death for adultery if they are raped.

  49. Wellington says

    Aug 6, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Semeru: We’ll have to agree to disagree. I think the Constitution is reslient enough to take care of Islam eventually, marginalizing it as America has marginalized other totalitarian ideologies, though this will be the toughest test so far and will take decades yet.

    Besides, even assuming you’re right and the Constitution is not sufficient, there is no way under American constitutional and statutory law to date that Islam can be banned in America. You may think it should be banned in the USA but you will have to provide how this can be done legally, which would entail an entirely different take on the First Amendment by the American judiciary or (theoretically possible) Congressional action against Islam in conjunction with Congress invoking Article III, Section 2 wherby it can remove from review certain of its legislation by the courts.

    • Kumar says

      Sep 9, 2014 at 7:04 am

      Nazism is banned in US. Why can Islam be banned? What is difference between ideology, movement and religion?

  50. Brent Parrish says

    Aug 11, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    While I agree with “Comrade” Serkan Engin’s take on Islam, does he think Lenin or Che Guevara are any better?

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