Iyad Ameen Madani, the Secretary General of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, “officially denounced the ‘forced deportation under the threat of execution’ of Christians, calling it a ‘crime that cannot be tolerated.’ The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they ‘have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.'”
And this was the “most explicit condemnation.” But at least from this report, it doesn’t look as if Madani condemned anything but the deportation of Christians by the Islamic State. And that is perfectly understandable: Umar, the second caliph, is said to have declared: “I advise you to fulfill Allah’s Convention (made with the Dhimmis) as it is the convention of your Prophet and the source of the livelihood of your dependents (i.e. the taxes from the Dhimmis.)” (Bukhari 4.53.388) That is, subjugating the dhimmis and bleeding them dry is to be the source of the Muslims’ livelihood. So of course Muslims should not deport them. And the Islamic State has indeed been collecting the jizya, killing or deporting those who refuse or are unable to pay it.
Madani’s statement that Islam calls for “justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence” is just empty verbiage, since those terms have a quite different meaning under Islamic law from the meaning that most Westerners take for granted. If Sharia mandates second-class status for non-Muslims, and it does, then by Madani’s lights, that constitutes justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.
So why, then, is he condemning the Islamic State? These condemnations more than a hint of deception to them, particularly when Turkey’s top Muslim cleric, Mehmet Gormez, says that “Muslims should not be hostile towards ‘people with different views, values and beliefs, and regard them as enemies.'” What, then, would Mehmet Gormez make of these Qur’an passages? “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are harsh against disbelievers, merciful among themselves” (48:29). “O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness” (9:123). “O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you, then indeed, he is one of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people” (5:51). Mehmet Gormez knows of those passages. So for him to say that “Muslims should not be hostile towards ‘people with different views, values and beliefs, and regard them as enemies,'” without any explanation, it suggests that he is more interested in fooling the Infidels and lulling them into complacency than in genuinely opposing or condemning the Islamic State.
And if the Islamic State proves itself to be viable, a lot of these top Muslim leaders are going to come around. For the caliphate, might makes right.
“World’s top Muslim leaders condemn attacks on Iraqi Christians,” Vatican Radio, July 25, 2014 (thanks to Joe):
Two of the leading voices in the Muslim world denounced the persecution of Christians in Iraq, at the hands of extremists proclaiming a caliphate under the name Islamic State.
The most explicit condemnation came from Iyad Ameen Madani, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the group representing 57 countries, and 1.4 billion Muslims.
In a statement, he officially denounced the “forced deportation under the threat of execution” of Christians, calling it a “crime that cannot be tolerated.” The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they “have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.”
Meanwhile, Turkey’s top cleric, the spiritual successor to the caliphate under the Ottoman Empire, also touched on the topic during a peace conference of Islamic scholars.
In a not-so-veiled swipe at ISIS, Mehmet Gormez declared that “an entity that lacks legal justification has no authority to declare war against a political gathering, any country or community.” He went on to say that Muslims should not be hostile towards “people with different views, values and beliefs, and regard them as enemies.”
Their remarks come at a time when Christian leaders in Iraq have called on Muslim leaders worldwide to denounce the anti-Christian violence in the country. In the past decade, the majority of Iraqi Christians have either fled the country or taken refuge in the autonomous region of Kurdistan.
The declaration of a “caliphate” by Islamist militants in Iraq lacks legitimacy and their death threats to Christians are a danger to civilization, Turkey’s top cleric, the successor to the last caliph’s most senior imam, said.
Islamic State, an armed group formerly allied to al Qaeda that has captured swathes of territory across Iraq, last month declared its leader, Ibrahim al-Baghdadi, “caliph” – the historical title last held by the Turkish Ottoman sultan who ruled much of the Muslim world.
“Such declarations have no legitimacy whatsoever,” Mehmet Gormez, head of the Religious Affairs Directorate, the highest religious authority in Turkey, which, although a majority Muslim country, has been a secular state since the 1920s.
“Since the caliphate was abolished … there have been movements that think they can pull together the Muslim world by re-establishing a caliphate, but they have nothing to do with reality, whether from a political or legal perspective.”
Gormez said death threats against non-Muslims made by the group, formerly known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), were hugely damaging. “The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization,” he told Reuters in an interview.
Gail Griffin says
What about the Yazidi’s the devil worshipers? Them too? Madani’s statement that Islam calls for “justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence” So what about Egypt and Christians? Saudi Arabia and Christians and Hindu’s etc. They need to come clean on that. I wish someone would have the guts to go country by country to this ambassador and say that if you can’t guarantee this in the muslim countries of the world and stop the injustice, persecution, bible outlawing, church and temple destruction, then just admit you agree with IS. What a story that would make.
John Spielman says
Absolutely, I’ m assuming that construction on a Christian church and Jewish synagogue in Mecca will start immediately!?
John Spielman says
Absolutely, I’ m assuming that construction on a Christian church and Jewish synagogue in Mecca will start immediately!?
mariam rove says
Islam is all about lies and deception. Period. M
Joseph says
This is exactly what sacred scripture says about the Anti-Christ: “…by peace he will deceive many.” And Islam, the Anti-Christ religion, deceives [those who fully deserve to be deceived] the willfully blind by claims of peace and justice. But only those who have ‘lost the good of intellect’, as St. Thomas would put it, could ever believe the patently false statement that Islam is a religion of peace. Due to their sinfulness and self-deception, God removes from them one of his most glorious blessings: intellect, the ability to think, the ability to tell truth from falsehood. And so they take a lie for the truth and the truth for a lie. That is what is going on in all this. And what does Christ say happens when a blind man is led by another blind man? Both “fall into a ditch”. That ditch today is Islam and many [willfully blind] people are being [willfully] deceived by it.
Claire Coleshill says
I agree with Joseph, the west, or non muslim nations are woefully ignorant of the
“standards” muslims use, and their “double speak”
Jay Boo says
Very good comments Joseph but one thing stands out.
“Due to their sinfulness and self-deception, God removes from them one of his most glorious blessings: intellect, the ability to think, the ability to tell truth from falsehood. ”
I might be wrong but that statement sounds more Islamic than Christian.
Maybe you or someone else might wish to offer a specific verse that says as much to verify this opinion you listed.
Jay Boo says
In particular, I am questioning your phrase:
“God removes from them one of his most glorious blessings: intellect”
Jay Boo says
Allah tries to trick people for the self-satisfaction of bringing them eternal torment.
Coincidentally, Muhammad used to fantasize about the same thing.
Joseph says
There is at least a semester’s worth of Catholic theology that would be required to reply fully to your question and I have neither the time nor the inclination to make such a reply merely in the comments section of a blog. And I’m not interested in an on-going tete-a-tete with you going forward. But the answer lies somewhere in the theology that would inform St. Paul’s statement in Romans 1:24. “Therefore, God has delivered them up in the lustful desires of their heart to uncleanness…they who exchanged the truth of God for a lie…”. Not that anyone who cannot see that Islam is evil is a lust-driven pervert like the people St. Paul was speaking about. But the principle is the same and very well documented in the works of St. Thomas Aquinas. And that principle is that God can [and does] withdraw his grace from individuals when they sin repeatedly and grievously. He withdraws his grace and the result is twofold: they sin even more grievously and they begin to lose the ability even to see the sinfulness of their ways. St. Pope John Paul II called this the “loss of the sense of sin”. Aquinas’s point generally is that God does have the ability to withdraw his grace from us (as a punishment for unrepentant sin) and that when he does so, our minds become “darkened”; i.e. they are easily deceived by Satan and by the cunning of this world.
My point, following up on both St. Paul and St. Thomas, is that the people today who are – somehow – “unable” to see that Islam is inherently violent and evil (as it patently is) are in a similar situation of “mind darkening” (read: “loss of the good of intellect”). It’s like when Aristotle says that “there is nothing that can be said to someone who denies the principle of non-contradiction”. When something is patently obvious, if someone denies that patently obvious truth, there is nothing further that can be said to them. They are demonstrably wrong and they deny what is patently true. Like standing in front of a live giraffe and stating “There are no such things as giraffes”. There is nothing that can be said to someone who denies evident reality.
My point is that the WAY this typically happens is as a result of the “hardening of their hearts” due to sin. The leftists today and anyone else who cannot see that Islam is evil and violent have had their intellects darkened. And that is usually a punishment for unrepentant sin. Gilbert Meilander says something similar when he suggests that to see the truth requires you to BE a particular kind of person; namely a good person. Evil people cannot see the truth because “their minds have been darkened” as a punishment for unrepentant sin. There almost certainly are other ways that someone could be so wrong (e.g. low IQ, poor upbringing, misinformation from their environment, etc). But in my opinion what usually causes this degree of willful blindness is precisely unrepentant sin. And St. Paul and St. Thomas would concur, if the western intellectual tradition and I have read them correctly.
I would say this categorically: with all the verifiable information we have at our immediate disposal today, if someone is unable to see that Islam is inherently evil and violent, then that same person is suffering from a “darkening of their intellect” which is [likely] a result of their living a life of unrepented sin. That is, if you cannot see that Islam is evil, then you yourself are probably in the grips of some sin that you refuse to give up or confess before God. You cannot see that “the Emperor has no clothes” because your mind has been darkened as a punishment for your sinfulness. In order to see the truth, we have to be good. And to the degree that we are not good, we are not able to see the truth. If a person cannot see that Islam is evil, then they are at the far end of the ignorance spectrum and they should look to root out the sins that are causing their blindness.
jewdog says
ISIS will probably continue to grow and ultimately threaten the very countries these taqiyya artists are living in. I just wish ISIS would go on into Iran so we could see a good show unfold, and bring your popcorn.
ISIS is a much more appealing, especially to young people, than the more restrained and boring canons they normally are taught. It appeals to your inner barbarian, just as Nazism did.
Jay Boo says
At least Muslim leaders were forced to feign concern about the victims.
The image of Islam’s disgrace being revealed even to leftist sympathizers has them concerned enough to issue statements in an attempt to distance the Islamic State from Islam which in turn gives President Obama the (permission) to go after (arms and equipment) and indirectly a few terrorists as collateral damage who happen to be Muslim.
Gail Griffin says
Wouldn’t that be exciting to see Iran and IS duke it out. I’ll bring the popcorn!!
Jay Boo says
I would rather see the ideology get deservedly ripped to shreds.
War attacks only the symptoms and spares the disease.
In the meantime innocents get caught in the crossfire.
No popcorn
Only misery
Jaladhi says
Islam is pure unadulterated evil. Period.
Jay Boo says
You are too kind
Islam is shit
AnneM says
Tayyqia at work again.
AnneM says
These leaders are doing nervous sweat considering their countries are next on ISIS’s plans.
Michael Copeland says
No deal. “This has nothing to do with Islam” doesn’t work any more.
Jaladhi says
I think, au contraire , it works very well for for our MSM and our leaders and Muslim apologists proclaim loud and clear the same taqiyya. Poor naive Americans just believe them and Muslims in our country are happy. See, its not Islam, we have nothing to do with ISIS or any other Muslim terrorist – and yet all these Muslims follow the same book of hate Quran and its leader Mo/allah!!
Who you gonna believe – your lying eyes or me!!
Such are lying and deceiving Muslims!!!
voegelinian says
Yes, unfortunately the mainstream throughout the West (which includes millions of ordinary people) continues to think about this issue in terms of the PC MC paradigm. This pathetic situation has been changing; but so far it seems only at a glacial pace of nearly undetectable stillicide. The profound influence of that paradigm may be measured by how many even inside the Counter-Jihad in one way or another evince reflexes and spasms reflecting its hold on their hearts and minds.
JeffS says
It must be lonely for you to be one of the very few Counter-Jihadists who is pure and free of the PC/MC infection.
voegelinian says
It’s not about me; it’s about protecting my loved ones and fellow citizens from mass murder.
JeffS says
Counter-Jihadists who feel bad about how Australians treated the Aborigines or how Americans treated the Blacks or the Indians are not threatening you with mass murder because you think they’re not pure enough. But constantly chiding fellow Counter-Jihadists for not being as pure as you think you are creates divisions in the movement, which hampers our cohesiveness in fighting Islam, and makes it much more likely that our movement won’t grow, and makes you and your family much more susceptible to mass murder by jihadists. If you insist on purity, you’ll be lucky to have an army of a dozen. I believe that we can be effective fighters against Islam and still have aspects of PC/MC.
Open says
I got to know about this site last week and now I see that this site is used against Islam.As from now on,I will start telling people about this site and I will post it via internet.
Myxlplik says
Open, may I ask you to cite something in particular you found anti-Islamic?
John spielman says
Unfortunately for Muslims, TRUTH is inherently anti Islamic !
voegelinian says
Let’s hope this site is anti-Islamic! Why would any sane person on the planet not want to be anti-Islamic?
Jay Boo says
Myxlplik said
“Open, may I ask you to cite something in particular you found anti-Islamic?”
The use of ‘anti-Islamic’ in this sentence and implies “Islamophobic”
Open’s called this “a site used against Islam”
One could just as easily assume that this was meant as a positive thing.
Mirren10 says
”Open’s called this “a site used against Islam”
One could just as easily assume that this was meant as a positive thing”
Only if you’re brain dead. 🙂
Beagle says
Jihad Watch is not pro-Islam enough for you? LOL
Were you hoping for snuff videos or step-by-step Beheading for Dummies?
Myxlplik says
LOL, yeah us being upset by Muslims selling kafir women into sex slavery is anti Islamic?
All I ask is one thing for the Muslim to cite, seems pretty simple.
Anne says
Great! You’ll be helping spread the word that islam is of the devil.
enwhitenment says
Islam what’s that ?
I thought this site was about collecting interesting rocks, green birds and men that wear dresses and indecently touch children.
I thought all the talk of murder and slaughter was just to satisfy the necrophiliacs.
Champ says
I got to know about this site last week and now I see that this site is used against Islam.
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This website is called “Jihad Watch” and it took you an entire week to realize that we’re against islam? Wow you’re a fast learner, lol! Welcome!
Jay Boo says
Champ that comment against Open is uncalled for.
It appears that ever since Myxlplik misrepresented Open’s original comment it some others began attacking the Stawman instead of focusing on the original comment.
Unless you or others know of previous comments by open that I am not aware of it would seem as a rude introduction to give a new commenter.
Mirren10 says
Well said, Champ ! 🙂
Jay Boo says
Mirren10
Do you have some great insightful wisdom for jumping in to criticize the new commenter (Open) that I am unaware of, or are you merely reacting to the sentence that Myxlplik posted like a hyena looking for an easy meal?
Jay Boo says
Mirren10
At least Champ’s reply was directed at the trail comment yours appears to be more of opportunistic blog politics
Mirren10 says
Oh, goodie !
Free publicity ! Jolly kind of you, mate !
Mirren10 says
”I got to know about this site last week … ”
Well, this is interesting, mohammedan wanker ! From *where* did you get to know about this site ? Are you a little group of greasy infideliphobes, who hunch over your computer modems, looking for ‘against islam’ sites ? Newsflash: there is a hell of a lot more ‘anti-islam sites’ than you could ever hope to police ! 🙂
Clearly, you mohammedan tossers are get worried about sites that tell the sheer, unvarnished truth about your vile cult. 🙂
But by all means, tell **everyone** what you’ve found !! 🙂 🙂 🙂
You mohammedans are such moronic tossers. I just love your stupidities. Oh lord ! 🙂 🙂
No Fear says
Show me anything that is anti Islamic on this site.
As far as I can see most of the behaviours on this site follow the perfect example of the founder of Islam , Mohammed. Murder, rape, beheading …..
Zulu says
OT
With everything that is going on in the Middle East, this story is getting very little news coverage.
Hundreds of Thousands of Nigerians Flee Boko Haram, Seek Sanctuary
Forced Migration Is Expected to Strain Everything From Public Services to Food Security
http://online.wsj.com/articles/hundreds-of-thousands-of-nigerians-flee-boko-haram-seek-sanctuary-1407855499
Beagle says
“hundreds of thousands”
Sound’s like the beginning of Obama’s Next Rwanda, again courtesy of Islam. No worries though, as most media will ignore it.
enwhitenment says
If they can make it to Kenya they will get a free scholarship in Saudi arabia courtesy of.
Except the Christians they will just get unpaid jobs for life “just like their forefathers have enjoyed”
CogitoErgoSum says
The proper interpretation of Islam belongs to the one who is best with the sword ………. and he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.
Wellington says
What these Muslim rubes are actually concerned about is that ISIS is moving too quickly and too transparently to implement what Islam demands. After all, if you’re going to eventually subdue the whole world (you know, make all of it the dar-al-Islam, blah, blah, blah) and give non-Muslims the three choices of 1) convert, 2) be subdued and pay the jizya or 3) death, you have to have finesse and sometimes exhibit some subtlety, i.e., taqiyya, about all this. ISIS just ain’t up to par here for the more sophisticated Muslim, now is it? A la the Wicked Witch of the West in the Wizard of Oz, these things must be done delicately.
Ah, implementing Islam most effectively is just so strenuous at times, now isn’t it? Poor Muslim dears.
Jay Boo says
Only a true religion can save Allah’s honor; we will not be fooled or led around.
Islamic faith in Muhammad’s Revelation is very sound.
So we’re off to see the “Wizard” The Wonderful “Wizard of IZ.”
You’ll find he is a whiz of a Wiz! If ever oh ever a Wiz! There was,
the “Wizard of IZ.” is one because,
because, because, because, because, because,
because of the blasphemous things he does.
We’re off to see the “Wizard”, the conjurer of Islam’s fraud.
Jay Boo says
My comment using the terms “a true religion and blasphemy” are relative in a general context of course. A Muslim, a Christian and an agnostic would all have a different perspective on these terms.
Here is the Muslim perspective:
Muslims give Allah the great a helping hand …
http://news.msn.com/world/pakistan-mob-kills-woman-girls-over-blasphemous-facebook-post
Steffen Larsen says
Watch a Muslim in the top comment presenting himself as a “non believer” and still managing to defend Islam by claiming that “ISIL has taken advantage of the power vacuum created in Mosul and has tried to enforce a twisted version of their Sharia Law” with never an admission that it IS sharia law as ordered by the Quran.
http://www.christianfunnypictures.com/2014/07/why-are-facebook-and-twitter-users.html
Champ says
I’m surprised that they even “sort of” condemn attacks on Christians. Probably all in an effort to keep up appearances. Yeah you can always count on muslims to lie, in one form or another, right?
enwhitenment says
I would say they are more worried about missing out on the 20% of the daily takings and are not too comfortable that new kid on the block is reaping all the rewards.
Kalif better watch his back as competition is going to be hot for the #1 spot.
Dajjal says
“Nothing to do with Islam”? Then it must be evil, which Muslims are commanded to combat. If sincere in condemning IS, they would declare Jihad and march on them.
4:75. And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allâh, and for those weak, illtreated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help.”
4:76. Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allâh, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Tâghût (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitân (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitân (Satan).
unbeliever1 says
Islam means submission and peace.The submission is all there,but the peace is “missing in action”.
unbeliever1 says
Islam means submission and peace.The submission is all there,but the peace is “missing in action”.
logdon says
Peace comes when the world is subjugated. The three alternatives, remember?
gravenimage says
World’s top Muslim leaders sort of condemn attacks on Iraqi Christians…
And this was the “most explicit condemnation.” But at least from this report, it doesn’t look as if Madani condemned anything but the deportation of Christians by the Islamic State. And that is perfectly understandable: Umar, the second caliph, is said to have declared: “I advise you to fulfill Allah’s Convention (made with the Dhimmis) as it is the convention of your Prophet and the source of the livelihood of your dependents (i.e. the taxes from the Dhimmis.)” (Bukhari 4.53.388) That is, subjugating the dhimmis and bleeding them dry is to be the source of the Muslims’ livelihood…
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Yes—that’s *exactly* what he is doing.
There is a particularly nasty Muslim troll who regularly shows up here at Jihad Watch—”squeezethejuice” (“squeeze the Jews”)—who occasionally chides his more eager coreligionists who want to slaughter all Jews now, instead of waiting for the ‘last days”. As he sees it, Jews should just be terrorized until they pay the Jizya with “willing submission”—that is what Madani is suggesting re Christians here.
Of course, he hopes the credulous Infidels won’t notice that…
And he has something else in mind, as well—in asserting that Islam is all about “justice” and “coexistence” (never mind that that “coexistence” is virtual slavery for Christians in a Muslim state) that he can undo the damage caused by the “fast Jihadists” in ISIS, whose savagery might actually be waking up quite a few Kuffars to the savagery of Islam—by implying that this has nothing to do with Islam.
It’s taking more and more willful ignorance on the part of the Infidels not to notice how this is *all* about Islam—unfortunately, there are still some dhimmi tools who are up (or down) for the job…
And he is a high-ranking Saudi—Saudi Arabia being a place where Infidels have virtually no rights—not even the right to practice their faith in private.
And here’s more meretricious oiliness from Iyad Ameen Madani , where he serves as spokesman “sort of” condemning Boko Haram’s kidnapping of school girls:
http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2014/04/africa/oic-calls-for-release-of-abducted-girls-in-nigeria
“Secretary General Iyad Ameen Madani stressed the importance of girls’ education and the role of women in Islam, and insisted that there was no excuse whatsoever for this criminal action which tarnishes the good image of Islam, a tolerant and moderate religion that rejects extremism in all its forms and manifestations…”
Notice what he is doing here—first, his main concern, as in the story above—is that these “fast Jihadists” “make Islam look bad”, and hence are waking up the credulous Kuffar.
Then, he asserts the importance of Muslim women’s eduction in Islam—never mind that almost all of the abducted girls are *Christians*, and that the Muslim girls picked up in the raids were released first thing.
And then note his reference to “Islamic” eduction. Boko Haram has no problem with Islamic education—they aren’t raiding Madrasses.
There very name means “Western Education Forbidden”. These girls were at secular schools.
So Madani isn’t contradicting or criticizing Boko Haram’s views on the secular education of girls at all—it just looks like he is if you know nothing about Islam.
More:
And if the Islamic State proves itself to be viable, a lot of these top Muslim leaders are going to come around. For the caliphate, might makes right.
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Yes—the only problem a lot of Muslim “leaders” have with the “Caliphate” right now—besides the fact that all of that raping, beheading, stoning, and genocide is making Islam look bad before they are powerful enough not to care *what* the “filthy Kuffar” think—is that *they* are not running it…
More:
Meanwhile, Turkey’s top cleric, the spiritual successor to the caliphate under the Ottoman Empire, also touched on the topic during a peace conference of Islamic scholars.
In a not-so-veiled swipe at ISIS, Mehmet Gormez declared that “an entity that lacks legal justification has no authority to declare war against a political gathering, any country or community.”
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Notice that all Gormez is really doing here is questioning whether ISIS’s “Islamic State” can officially be regarded as a Caliphate or not.
As Robert Spencer notes, if the bloody “Caliphate” gains power, it will soon be widely regarded as legitimate. It already is in the eyes of many Muslims, who are lauding the Caliphate and forming fan-clubs for the blood-soaked polity all over the world.
More:
“The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization,” he told Reuters in an interview.
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This, said by the top Muslim cleric of a Muslim state that was responsible for the Armenian Genocide a hundred years ago, where besides Armenian Christians they also targeted Assyrian, Greek, Bulgarian, and Levantine Christians, as well as Jews—eventually massacring almost two million Infidels, and rendering Turkey almost rid of all non-Muslims.
This is, in fact, *exactly* the same thing that ISIS is doing right now…
Joseph D'Hippolito says
As a former Catholic, I wouldn’t believe anything Vatican Radio says about Islam or Muslim clerics. The Vatican has been pursuing since the days of John Paul II an “indulgent ecumenism,” as French historian Alain Besancon said, toward Islam. Rome effectively has the same relationship to Mecca that Vichy had to Berlin more than 70 years ago.
Xero_G says
I also agree that the actions of ISIL don’t have anything to do with the Islamic principles of justice, kindness, fairness, and coexistence. However, what the Imams (and Main Stream Media) fail to add is that ISIL is completely in sync with the Islamic principles of conquest, subjugation, genocide against unbelievers.
Xero_G says
Using the same logic:
The Jewish Holocaust had “Nothing to Do” with the Nazi principles of patriotism, hard work, pride, and a punctual railway system.
Vapourking says
I know this is off topic, but I’m hoping someone can steer me in the right direction. I’m trying to find out some info on what existed in terms of infrastructure, towns etc in what is now Israel prior to the Jews returning in 1947.
Also looking for any maps that shows where Palestine bordered it’s neighbours and who led the government of Palestine back in 47.
Keith says
In 1947 the British ruled in Palestine and before that it was the Islamic Caliphate in Turkey. I don’t know for sure about the towns but from what I have seen there was not a lot.
BC says
‘have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.’”
Yes we all know what the principles call for . However what matters is what happens in real life. We only need to look at Pakistan the country famously created just for Muslims. Do we see these principles in daily practice? No we see women bludgeoned to death outside court houses. We see girls sprayed with acid and even killed for wanting to go to school. we see others of faith especially Christians falsely accuse of blasphemy, which is a law requiring the death penalty.
To name but a few things. We do not need to hold up ISIS as a bad example there are plenty of examples in legitimate Islamic states
duh_swami says
If it’s a crime that can’t be tolerated, whatcha gunna do about it Abu? Talk is cheap, lets see some action…
Gail Griffin says
Well Swami for a long time it seemed to be us here on JW who vented and were attuned to the growing threat of Islam, what could we do? but on JW we knew we as individuals were not alone, now thanks to IS it come out of the closet. Just by talking and being bolstered here on this site I think that is what we have done about it. Eyes are opening.
Prof.Helen says
The problem here is that ISIS believes they are acting on behalf of ISLAM. It doesn’t matter what the other groups SAY unless they are willing to engage in serious actions to stop ISIS.