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Abbas turns down Egypt offer of “Palestinian” state in Sinai Peninsula five times larger than Gaza

Sep 9, 2014 12:14 pm By Robert Spencer

AbbasSisiOf course he turned it down. The point is not to have a “Palestinian” state. The point is to destroy Israel. No one was crying about “occupation” between 1948 and 1967 when Egypt had Gaza and Jordan had Judea and Samaria. The “Palestinians” didn’t consider Egyptian and Jordanian rule to be “occupation.” Only Israeli rule is “occupation.” The hypocrisy of the entire “Palestinian” cause is as palpable as its dishonesty, but the world takes no notice.

“Egypt’s Sisi Offered Abbas Creation of Palestinian State in Sinai Peninsula,” by Jack Moore, International Business Times, September 8, 2014:

Egyptian President General Abdel Fatah al-Sisi has offered Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas the chance to create a Palestinian state in the Sinai Peninsula, according to local Israeli media.

The offer to the Palestinian President which, reports say Abbas has denied, would have seen 1,600 square kilometres of the Sinai Peninsula given to the Palestinian Authority, creating a Palestinian state five times the size of Gaza.

According to IDF Radio, the offer would see Abbas relinquish demands that Israel return to the 1967 borders.

In the new and enlarged Gaza, the territory would be demilitarised and Palestinian refugees, many who were unable to return to their towns after the creation of Israel, would have been able to settle there.

As part of the proposal, Palestinian cities in the occupied West Bank would have been autonomous and continued to be under Palestinian Authority control.

Sisi allegedly said to Abbas in the meeting: “You are now 80 years old, if you don’t accept this proposal, your successor will.”

The Palestinian Authority is yet to publicly comment on the initiative but unnamed sources said that Abbas rejected the deal in a meeting with Sisi.

The Israeli military radio station said that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had knowledge of the offer and that the United States had given its approval to such an idea.

An idea along the same lines was introduced years ago by Israeli academics but Egypt rejected the proposal….

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  1. Champ says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Wow the biggest obstacle to Palestinian statehood is *not* Israel!

    • john spielman says

      Sep 9, 2014 at 1:22 pm

      Egypt is very generous, I would send all the islamists to ANTARTICA

      • jo says

        Sep 10, 2014 at 2:01 pm

        That is precisely why nobody is asking you.

      • Daniel says

        Sep 10, 2014 at 7:46 pm

        Why? What have the poor penguins ever done to you?

    • jo says

      Sep 10, 2014 at 2:06 pm

      No its Chimps like you

  2. Chabuco says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    “Creation of Palestinian State”—

    If it doesn’t exist, make it up!

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 9, 2014 at 3:06 pm

      Just like if the Palestinians don’t exist, make them up, which they did as a PR maneuver after the devastating defeat in 1966. Thus the birth of the term Palestinians as actual ethnographic entity.

      ***

      The Mideast peace “negotiations” have always been a fraud, the only difference here is that that fate of supposedly displaced “Palestinians” robbed of their homeland is the key. And it is, as in it’s now the key to the larger fraud. And the fraud itself has two layers, in that there is zero probability that giving the “Palestinians” a sovereign space in the West Bank will stop the Jihad in the Mideast, or anywhere else.

      • jo says

        Sep 10, 2014 at 2:03 pm

        Read the story of that long haired murderer Samson and you will find out if the state of Palestine is made up or not.

        • John C. Barile says

          Sep 10, 2014 at 3:57 pm

          The ancient Philistines are not the ancestors of the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians–except for the fact that they are likewise enemies of the People of God.

        • Jason Beckham says

          Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 pm

          Palestine was a huge REGION in biblical times encompassing many nations today, it was never a state or nation itself. Sorry about how you thought you were smart!

  3. Mirren10 says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    ”The Israeli military radio station said that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had knowledge of the offer and that the United States had given its approval to such an idea”

    Does this mean obama, camoron et al will realise that ‘the pooor Palestinians’ are liars and hypocrites, and stop pressurising Israel to roll over ? sarc/off

  4. mariam rove says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    This would never work. Palestinians solution to this problem is only one thing: Push the jews back into the sea. M

    • Champ says

      Sep 9, 2014 at 1:07 pm

      Exactly, Mariam! …there exists an everlasting hatred for the Jews courtesy evil islam and the unholy quran. Hope you are well, my friend 🙂

      • jo says

        Sep 10, 2014 at 2:05 pm

        Hey Chimp. nobody is interested in your xenophobic bs

        • SpiritOf1683 says

          Sep 10, 2014 at 3:06 pm

          Paleonazis hate Jews, that is why they want Israel gone, slugbrain. Antisemitic trailer park trash like yourself won’t get your wish to see Jews exterminated. Besides, what a pity you were given your Jewish-invented jabs.

  5. Rebecca says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    this isn’t the first time that they rejected a deal, and it won’t be the last.
    They like crying on television, but every time they’re offered something, they turn it down.
    every time.
    I think in their perspective- if it’s not EXACTLY what they want, than they reject it. They can’t understand that it’s not exactly what Israel wants either.
    but there’s a special word that is used in situations when have 2 sides that can’t see eye to eye.
    It’s called compromise.
    The Israelies have shown that they are willing to compromise,
    the arabs have never budged one inch from their demands.
    not one inch.
    ever

  6. RichardTheLionheart says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    What a fantastic way to show the world just how idiotic those “refugees” in Palestine really are.

    Offer them everything they could ever dream of (if land for a palestinian state were the real agenda of course) and watch in awe as they reject it yet again.

    You know what, fuck the palestinians…. If they care about death that much more than life lets stop pussy footing around and give them what they crave, as land for peace is obviously not their cause.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 9, 2014 at 3:14 pm

      If they care about death that much more than life lets stop pussy footing around and give them what they crave…

      Let’s just be sure to coat the ordnance with an admixture of swine and canine blood so as to eliminate any prospect of Jannat. Oh, I can hear my critics whispering already that I’m a money-grubbing pork agrarian hankering to sell precious bodily fluids to defense contractors, but I really mean it, for the good of us all. Well, maybe both.

      • Transmaster says

        Sep 10, 2014 at 3:58 am

        Alarmed Pig Farmer you would do the whole world a favor if you developed a Pork Lard pumped Hydrogen bomb. Drop that on Iran, the ISIS, Pakistan, etc…. Please 🙂

  7. Salah says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    The Palestinian Authority and Egypt on Monday strongly denied a report that claimed that Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi had offered PA President Mahmoud Abbas land in Sinai for a Palestinian state.

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Egypt-PA-deny-report-that-Sisi-offered-Abbas-land-in-Sinai-for-Palestinian-state-374785

  8. gravenimage says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Abbas turns down Egypt offer of “Palestinian” state in Sinai Peninsula five times larger than Gaza

    Of course he turned it down. The point is not to have a “Palestinian” state. The point is to destroy Israel.
    …………………………

    Exactly so. I am not at all surprised that the genocidal Jew-hating “Palestinians” rejected it—just a bit surprised that Al-Sisi made the offer in the first place.

    I imagine the strategy was “keep you friends close, and your enemies closer”—that Egypt was hoping through this to keep a close eye on the Muslim Brotherhood-linked Hamas, to ensure that they don’t make a comeback via Gaza and threaten the Al-Sisi regime again.

    • John C. Barile says

      Sep 9, 2014 at 2:04 pm

      If I were Abbas, I’d turn down the offer, too. In fact, back in my high school days, the year ’72-’73, I was the original Rejectionist, in a PoliSci role-playing exercise–“peace negotiations”–in which I was stuck in the Palestinian faction.

      So I embraced the idea of a Palestinian state comprised of Gaza and the West Bank beyond the Green Line, but my hypocritical closet-Zionist associates opted for the Sinai instead. I protested, “But that’s not PALESTINE,” but was completely ignored. So typical. I complained that the “Israelis” didn’t sweeten the deal with two goats and a camel. In the end, I fumed at being sidelined, and wore a black armband during our “peace” celebration.

    • John C. Barile says

      Sep 9, 2014 at 2:16 pm

      If Al-Sisi had thrown two goats and a camel into the deal, I might have been persuaded to accept it, were I Abbas.

  9. Rob says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    As the incomparable Abba Eban once remarked about the Palestinians:
    ‘They never miss an opportunity, to miss an opportunity’.

  10. Greg says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    I surely do not claim to know as much about all the particulars in this struggle.. The Palestinians are definately not looking for a peaceful solution… BUT… Don’t they have “some right” to not wanting to agree with a “donation” of land… So to speak… Didnt U.S. and other nations force hundreds of thousands of people to move and abandon homes, cities that their lives, to give Israel their supposed ” promise land” to them…
    Please, someone maybe kindly give me more prospective, true and unbiased facts, so I may understand all… I have an open mind and heart… Please forgive my unknowing , and be kind and factual in any response to this…

    • John C. Barile says

      Sep 9, 2014 at 8:41 pm

      Population transfers occur throughout recent history–if 700, 000 Palestinian Arabs were displaced in 1948-1949, that was offset by the expulsion of 1,000,000 Jews from Arab lands, where Jews had lived for more than two millenia. When British-governed India was partitioned in 1947, hundreds of thousands of Hindus and Sikhs were uprooted from newly-created Pakistan. At the close of World War II, millions of ethnic Germans fled or were expelled from eastern lands where they had previously lived for centuries. More recently, NATO member Turkey invaded Greek-majority Cyprus, obliterating the Greek presence from the northern 40% of that island nation.

    • sencit says

      Sep 10, 2014 at 8:45 am

      As I understand it, there were very few people living in Israel at that time. Those already there were invited to stay and help to re-build the country. Some of them did and they or their families live in Israel today – nor would they want to live anywhere else. Many others came, hoping to find work. Then the Muslims decided to declare war on Israel, which they believed they would win. When they lost, many Arabs fled back to their own lands. Their homelands refused them entry and they have become the ‘Paestinian’ refugees of today. After three or four generations, they can hardly still be called ‘refugees’. I know that thousands of them were not “uprooted” from Israel. The Israelis actually asked them to stay and the present generation can hardly demand to ‘go back’ to a place where they have never lived.

  11. John C. Barile says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    I don’t hear Germans clamoring to return to East Prussia, to Pomerania, Brandenberg, Silesia, or the Sudeten. Germany isn’t demanding Koenigsberg back from Russia; no, it will remain Kaliningrad.

  12. Rob says

    Sep 9, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    This has been denied by Egypt.
    Is there any authoritative source for this report?
    JPost hasn’t mentioned it yet.

  13. Lee Hicks says

    Sep 10, 2014 at 12:12 am

    Very predictable. The Palestinian state was only intended as a tool for excuses to attack Israel. The issue isn’t land, and it never has been.

    The issue is the existence of Israel, which is something the Arab nations and Muslims will never countenance. Offer them 5 times the amount of land, and it is rejected. Offer them 20 times the amount of land and the issue will be the same.

    This is the fallacy of Israel trying to trade God’s land for false peace. Any such attempts will be in vain, useless, and in an odd way, prideful. The land is God’s, and is not theirs to give away or sell.

    Nothing will satisfy the Islamic people other than the eradication of Israel.

  14. dumbledoresarmy says

    Sep 10, 2014 at 3:13 am

    Y’know what *I* would like to see in Sinai and Gaza Strip?

    Copts.

    No Mohammedans.

    Just the Copts. A free and independent Nova Aegyptia, making money from pilgrims (Mount Sinai, the St Catherine monastery), tourism and fishing and oil wells and agriculture (Gaza used to grow oranges and even, back in the 16th century, *wine* – yep, the Jews who used to live there, then, had vineyards and made wine) and, once they’d educated their kids a bit, hi-tech. Guarding, for the world’s Infidels, the east bank of the Suez Canal. And…allied with Israel, partnering with Israel, learning from Israel.

    That’s *my* vision.

    Highly improbable. But wouldn’t it be great?

    If Gaza were full of Copts, instead of full of Mohammedans, it would be a red-hot Mediterranean tourist destination, rivalling Monte Carlo. It would be *flourishing*. And there would be NO rockets and NO tunnels.

    • Cyril Lucar says

      Sep 10, 2014 at 6:55 pm

      Perfect! Where can I write a check?

    • Will says

      Sep 10, 2014 at 11:25 pm

      Agreed but I feel certain that the Muslims would suddenly find the “fourth” holy site of the prophet there and besiege it as Israel. It is not peace with Israelis and Copts they wont but NO Israelis and NO Copts.

  15. Demsci says

    Sep 10, 2014 at 6:08 am

    What a great proposal! But too good to be true, alas, it seems.

    I know that Caroline Glick proposes that sooner or later Israel annexes the West Bank. It is simply too risky to let the Palestinians have a state there. It is far too close to the heart of Israel and it contains mountains from which can be fired bullets, rockets, projectiles. And no amount of guarantees can make the Israeli’s trust the Palestinians enough for them to have their independent state there.

    And demographically in Israel AND the West Bank the Jewish people still comfortably outnumber the Arab people, and especially the Muslims. Their birthrates also seem to converge, so this for the long run. And we hear of Christian Arabs who proudly choose for Israel and it’s army.

    Now, what if Gaza could expand into the Sinai, maybe even with a little bit of Negev?!
    – Gaza is not at all occupied, like the West Bank still is, although there also Palestinians have much autonomy.
    – Gaza was the very original Palestine, or Philistea!
    – before the coast of Gaza, as for the coast of Israel, there lie big gasfields, under the Mediterranean, and if only Gaza were demilitarized, from this the Gazans could prophit enormously.
    – There now seems to exist a cheap way of desalination, so the Sinai desert could economically be used well, housing MANY people.
    – Sinai is so near to Palestine, why don’t Palestines want it?
    – The so-called land-theft of 1948 recedes ever more into the past. And both all original perpetrators and victims are (almost) dead. And you can’t blame people for what their forbears did forever, and you can’t keep giving refugee status and “right of return” to descendants forever.

    So to me should Egypt really have made this wonderful proposal and Abbas turned it down, that rejection sounds downright very myopic, and criminal, driven by egoism and hate, and of course religious fanaticism!!!

  16. alyn21 says

    Sep 10, 2014 at 6:59 am

    no more talks about land. the gaza offer is the final offer.

  17. skipNclair says

    Sep 10, 2014 at 9:28 am

    The article is very misleading, as they want what is theirs, nothing more, nothing less. If you and your family were as the Palestinians, I would hope you would have the character, the honesty, the will do stick with what is right. Let us not forget, the jews (children of satan), were offered lands elsewhere and refused. Lets make the jews the same offer and see if they will leave, as they are the intruders.

    • Lee Hicks says

      Sep 10, 2014 at 10:45 am

      skipNclair, your comment shows that you know nothing of the actual history of the Palestinian people at all, or in fact of Israel. The Palestinians were booted out of Jordan as they were unwanted there, and were located in Palestine. They had no previous history there (as the Jews actually did). They are an invented people, named for the region when settled there.

      On the other hand, the Jews have had the longest time of continual residency in their lands, going all the way back to before being captives and slaves in Egypt. In fact, even the Philistines in that time were not indigenous to the region, being from the European continent.

      It would be a good idea for you to do even the tiniest bit of research in the future, before spewing uninformed hate and speaking of things that you know nothing of. The Jewish people have a real history there from the time that God determined to place them in the land, and no one else can make the same claim.

      Also, note that wherever the Jews go, they work hard, and the land flourishes. Wherever the Palestinians are in control there is poverty, unrest, an unearned sense of entitlement, and inherent violence. You have chosen the wrong people to try and defend.

    • deja vu says

      Sep 10, 2014 at 7:20 pm

      skipNclair, you state ‘The article is very misleading, as they want what is theirs, nothing more, nothing less. ‘

      I fear that it is you who are misled. Are you ignorant of the fact that the Jews have been settled in the land continuously for 3,400 years? It has been fought over since recorded history because of its strategic position, but there has always been a Jewish presence. The land the Israelites inherited in 1400 BC was originally far larger than it is today. You speak as if the Jews only settled the land in 1948.

      You also seem ignorant of the fact that the Jews were once known as ‘Palestinians’. An aide to Yassir Arafat admitted as much. I quote: The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

      On the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. I quote: “Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

      Now, are you still sure that ‘they want what is theirs, nothing more, nothing less?’

    • Will says

      Sep 10, 2014 at 11:28 pm

      What an ignorant, stupid, blindly prejudiced comment!
      Go back to your mosque or your trailer!!
      Or, actually read some history and KNOW something or is that too much to expect and out of your ideological range?

  18. pongidae rex says

    Sep 10, 2014 at 9:39 am

    The Palestinians are not interested in creating a nation from a desert, as the Israelis did. That involves work and sacrifice and dedication over a long period of time. They want their nation pre-built, with fully functional infrastructure in place, preferrably including a welfare state funded by someone else. This will never make it into the mainstream media because it reveals, point blank, what this whole issue is really about and what the Palestinians motives really are.

  19. Transmaster says

    Sep 10, 2014 at 9:57 am

    No the way I see if these eternal malcontents say the Jews must go because they where there first, OK then kick all of the Islamic invaders out of where they are because the Christians where their first.

  20. Julius O'Malley says

    Sep 10, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    There will be some that say: “Well the north-eastern corner of the Sinai isn’t Palestine so why should the Palestinians accept it?”

    The current boundary between Israel and Egypt – a straight line between the head of the Gulf of Aqaba and the Mediterranean Sea to a point just west of Rafah was surveyed by the British in 1906-7. There is nothing historical about it.

    The British in 1906, then controlling Egypt, wanted to “regularise” the as then undefined boundary situation with the Ottoman Empire (which then controlled what would become Palestine then Israel) and to push Egypt’s boundary with the Ottoman Empire as far to the East as possible. There is no historical magic to the boundary – its just a line in the sand that the Ottoman’s accepted. There is no physiographic distinction between the Sinai and the Negev.

    Come 1920 and the British have taken control of the south-western part of the Ottoman Empire and called it Palestine and the Egyptians are agitating for more independence. The British then controlled both sides of the boundary. Some relatively minor British official could have very easily said “Oh that 1907 survey line was meant to have its northern end just east of El-Arish on the Mediterranean Sea” El-Arish historically recognised as the first town west along the coast that was unambiguously Egyptian. Scarcely anybody would have cared – Egyptians included. With the border ending at that point thousands more square kilometres of land would have been included in British Palestine.

    With the creation of Israel that 1907 arbitrarily drawn boundary assumed the status of being etched in stone for time immemorial. In 1978 Sadat steadfastly insisted he wanted every square inch of sacred Egypt returned by Israel.

    • John C. Barile says

      Sep 10, 2014 at 9:01 pm

      You’re right.

  21. Edward says

    Sep 10, 2014 at 11:03 pm

    ‘Abbas turns down Egypt offer of “Palestinian” state in Sinai Peninsula five times larger than Gaza’

    This rhetoric must STOP. Uncle Sam ‘The Sleeping Giant” is becoming aware of our Nation’s situation. He has several options to help stop the demise of America. He can recall the Truman’s Doctrine of WWll…yes, the use of the Atom was devastating, but the death toll was less than it would have been otherwise. BTW, This is Brigett Gabriele’s choice.

    Man inspired ideologies has never worked! A slew of –isms have been short termed and during their viability periods a lot of humans have suffered needlessly and man’s productivity/stewardship has waned causing great economy disasters.

    The contentious dilemma that exists between the Palestinians and the Israeli’s has been a thorn on the sides of the Middle Eastern peoples for countless centuries past.

    These nemeses state of minds has created this gridlock for both factions. Compromise has never worked. This misery all caused by their stringent religious convictions. I do not speak of religious conflictions between the two states, but of inflictions within themselves. The source of the inflicted wounds could be caused by a psychological ideology mindset or caused by bad spiritual manifestations (spiritual warfare).

    Would world peace prevail IF?

    The Islamist would abrogate (as they say it) the Quran’s perverted passages, the remaining worthy names remaining on the book would be that of Jesus Christ, His mothers, Virgin Mary and others that are mentioned on The Holy Book! The Moslems dilemma: profanation of The Holy Book which Mohammad pleagerized from to write his book, the Quran, which was impregnated with sexual innuendo’s 1400 years ago.

    As for the Israeli’s….for them to replace the word “Redeemer” redacted from the Israeli Document of Independence (1948). Psalm 19:14 (Hebrew 19:15 Rock of Israel)) was used as the foundation of this document. The Israeli’s dilemma: denying ‘The Messiah’ for 2014 years.

    Salms 19:14 May the words of my mouth always find favour, and the whispering of my heart, in your presence, Yahweh, my rock, my REDEEMER.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_of_Israel#Controversy

    • Edward says

      Sep 10, 2014 at 11:11 pm

      Psalms 19:14

    • Will says

      Sep 10, 2014 at 11:34 pm

      While all of your reasoning is correct to a degree the Christian antiJewish end totally ruins it. If you can be a Christian and leave people alone then they can be Jews and do the same AS THEY DO and please no crap about the Elders of Zion and the world Jewish conspiracy.

      • Edward says

        Sep 11, 2014 at 9:41 am

        ………..”the Christian antiJewish end totally ruins it. If you can be a Christian and leave people alone then they can be Jews and do the same AS THEY DO.”

        Judaism is a must keep component ….for they are the proper stewards of The Holy Lands. Israel must remain an Israelite domain as God ordained.

        Israel’s demise will cause Christianity to wither away….we as Christians we will join you in your survival,

        See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me -Isaiah 49:16

        • Edward says

          Sep 11, 2014 at 7:39 pm

          I wrote……”A slew of –isms have been short termed”

          Yes, many …isms’ ( are extracted from words with the suffix -) which helps labeling a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice) are short lived at times. What determines its viability span is not easily explainable. Some practices existed for a small moderate time span within a century, e.g.. Nazism. While others becomes a greater part of a living doctrine: Judaism! Judaism has existed for over 3000 years. “Judaism has its roots as a structured religion in the Middle East during the Bronze Age. Of the major world religions, Judaism is considered one of the oldest .”

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism

          What or whom determines the time (terrestrial or celestial?) for us to continue or stop a sinful practice. As a Christian I believe that our existence as a corporeal individual is measured by our Creator’s check and balances type of system….so be it that …isms’ are measured the same way. As an example, bad behavior as evidenced by known atrocities that was available during the Nazis reign was cut short because of its unforgivable numerous criminal acts. Like all religions or persons who experience transient evil streaks that are serious; are eligible to be forgiven if…..and only if affirmed repentance is shown by those citing its/their errors. This thanks to a merciful God. This has such been the case with Judaism and Christianity religions, which has made possible their longevity. God’s mercy is available to all individuals as well, remembering King David repentance and St. Paul’s (aka as Saul of Tarsus) conversion.

          So, let us see how long will our Creator’s patience will last. In allowing Muhammadanism’s Islamic ‘Loose Cannons’ regime’s to exist! Loose Cannons that they are!

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